@yakkoTDI is that not a thing? Seems like coffee in the morning gets things going differently than a morning without coffee. Especially if there’s lots of coffee involved.
I can’t drink caffeinated anything after 3 pm…or I will never go to sleep…decaf coffee is fine but really what’s the point…I’ve never found one that actually tastes good
@sweetjoey I will trade you for a week. I can drink coffee right before bed and go straight to sleep. Caffeine does not wake me up unless it is super high doses.
@sweetjoey@yakkoTDI There’s some evidence now that coffee after a dinner, either as espresso or small cup of good coffee, can help some people sleep. Though may make you wake up and be wide awake later in early AM. I think this is highly person-dependent. For me I think it’s about 6 hours. But I don’t usually sleep more than that anyway. It rules out caffeine in late afternoon, though, as it would be hitting right about bedtime.
@pmarin@sweetjoey@yakkoTDI My brother-in-law is Swiss. He has been drinking coffee with a shot of Schnapps before bed since he was a teen. My sister once tried to (covertly) gradually switch him over to decaf, but he got terrible headaches and she had to abandon her misguided experiment.
@macromeh@pmarin@sweetjoey If good coffee is used I can see it helping you sleep. The raise in body temperature(glass of warm milk theory) helps you sleep^ and better quality coffee beans tend to have less caffeine in them^^.
^A friend of mine used to own a coffee shop and I learned not to drink hot coffee too fast late^^^ at night or I would fall asleep while still there.
^^I once read a book about coffee at my friends coffee shop. I learned a lot.
^^^Her coffee shop was open until 1:00 am during the week and 2:00 am on Fri/Sat. I really miss that place.
@macromeh@pmarin@sweetjoey@yakkoTDI
I don’t think she should have done that and can’t imagine why you would do that to someone… Caffeine withdrawal is a very real thing.
This can vary a lot by individual. My dad would sometimes drink coffee at work for a few weeks and when he stopped be in bed with a crushing headache for a few days. I can drink a pot and a half a day for a week than just not feel like it and be fine.
If HE wanted to stop drinking caffeine they should probably plan to ride out the withdrawal and then avoid it in concentration. Somebody messing with you like that… I find a little disturbing
There was a time I had coffee any time I was awake and not drinking alcohol. As I aged, I began to wake up a lot during the night so cut off the coffee at 7PM, 5PM, 3PM, until I just have one cup in the morning. I’m actually happier this way, not needing that break for a cup.
I don’t have a strict cutoff, but usually my one latte in the morning from my beloved espresso maker is enough when I’m at home. When I have to go into the office, where the coffee is barely drinkable, I tend to have two or three, and yes, I know that makes no sense.
Well, sure. It’s when the Barista refuses my order for a refill, then calls me an Uber to take me home because I’m too jittery and hyper to drive. The problem is that I go back for my car in the morning and find that the tantalizing smell of brewing coffee just draws me in again. It’s a vicious cycle, and there’s no support group for it. I tried just going to an AA meeting, but someone handed me a paper cup of coffee on the way in …
@rockblossom You were supposed to go to a JA meeting, not AA.n But you have to double-check, or you might think you’re headed to Java Anonymous and find out it’s Junior Achievement instead, and get sucked into mentoring a bunch of jittery, bright, enthusiastic teens who can induce the symptoms of caffeine overdose.
I will usually have equivalent of maybe 2 shots of espresso or at least strong black brewed coffee. That’s it for the day unless sometimes I need an afternoon boost but I’ll only have a little bit.
Back in work-in-office days, which is long ago (I’ve been WFH for 20 yrs, about to retire) I would just suck down the cheap free office coffee. It was just a habit, largely to give you something to do during meetings. ‘Which conference room are we going to? Where’s the nearest coffee refill?’
When I was visiting companies in Europe it was amazing what good coffee they had even from vending machines or ‘superautomatic’ espresso machines. In Italy and France there were vending machines but no coins, the employee just waved their ID card over it (this was about 25 yrs ago, long before we had that sort of thing here). I think they got 2-3 free coffees a day, and beyond that they would have to pay but used same system for buying lunch. Also you could get wine with lunch in the cafeteria. A company in Germany had an Italian Saeco superautomatic. when I got back to the US I got one for myself.
@mediocrebot damn, AI, you are getting pretty good. Still creepy though. And the shadow on the one banana, but not the other, seems this might be part of a Peyrone’s Disease doctor ad. The espresso looks good though.
@mediocrebot@yakkoTDI until it learns what the ‘bent banana’ symbolizes (it will learn this from watching TV ads). Then the prudity filter will have to kick in. And we won’t be able to ask for ‘banana for scale’ (where did that come from anyway? seems to be an inside joke here that I never got, but I go with it anyway).
I metabolize caffeine extremely quickly. The good thing about this is that I can drink a cup of coffee right before bed and it won’t impact me.
The bad thing about this is I can’t drink coffee to help me stay alert because it does nothing.
Actually, on nights I can’t sleep, I’ll often go grab a cup of coffee to help me sleep. The warm liquid (and probably my body quickly rebelling against the caffeine) gets me nice and cozy and ready to sleep.
I’m also lucky in that I don’t get caffeine withdrawal symptoms either. I’ll go through periods of months where I will drink 6 or 7 cups of coffee for months… then go cold turkey because run out of coffee for a week, and doesn’t impact me in the slightest.
@OnionSoup So you are in the same club as me. I didn’t think it was because the caffeine metabolizes quickly though. I just thought it was a natural immunity.
@Kyeh@OnionSoup Pretty much. When I was young and stupid I once took 4 Vivarin tablets. That is about the equivalent of about 8 cups of coffee and it was before I ever drank coffee. That was about the only time I got anything out of caffeine. It was a great feeling.
A couple weeks later I did try 6 at once but that just kept me awake.
Neither experiment made me jittery or gave me bad feelings though. The first was like a energy boost and the second just kept me awake and bored. Of course this was in my early 20s when my daily calorie intake was between 6500 and 8000 and I slept 3 to 4 hours a day. I miss having that much time and energy.
I also do not really get anything like a sugar rush/buzz either.
@OnionSoup @yakkoTDI - sounds like you are a metabolic freak - you should donate your body to science when you no longer need it!
(I’ve never noticed sugar rushes myself, though, either.)
@Kyeh@OnionSoup@yakkoTDI In college, I needed to study for a test, so I took some No-Doz. You would think I’d taken a sleeping pill; I totally crashed and didn’t get any studying done. Nowadays, caffeine doesn’t put me to sleep, but it doesn’t give me a buzz either. Maybe that’s because I’m a tea drinker; I can’t stand the taste of coffee.
@yakkoTDI that’s what I thought too, but someone told me some people have a gene that allows them to metabolize caffeine very quickly. Makes sense, my mother drinks coffee to help her sleep too.
@Kyeh@lisagd@yakkoTDI I do. If I can’t sleep at night, I’ll sometimes get up to get myself a cup of coffee. I’m slightly jealous of people who can wake themselves up with coffee, that would be really handy.
I’ve never tried caffeine pills or energy drinks, so don’t know if same impact from them or not or those would actually do anything… But caffeinated products like tea, chocolate and soda don’t wake me either.
@ginazmck@yakkoTDI unless I make it myself, I still can’t get local places to give me the milk/foam blend I want. I think that would be a ‘wet’ cappucino, meaning quite a lot of milk. A ‘dry’ cappucino would have less milk, maybe 1 cm more of foam instead.
The other rant (‘get off my lawn!’) is when the milk has been sitting in a pitcher for several minutes and has started to cool off. It’s got to be freshly steamed. My latest specification (doesn’t always work though) is ‘extra hot, extra foam’
Growing up and living in Miami, I would order and drink an entire colada (cuban coffee) to get going in the morning. I later found out that one was supposed to share the colada with 3 or 4 friends. (oops) As my office became more latinized, the cafe’ was made 3 or 4 times a day, and I would have some each time. Regular American coffee was weak stuff in comparison, so when I wasn’t in the office, I would have 4 -5 cups a day. Never lost a minute of sleep. I’m still semi-immune to caffeine.
@Kyeh Same here. I do like their chai latte though.
Also, I have been to one of their Seattle locations and it is like a different company. They have so much competition that they make a better coffee up there.
Additionally the lime refresher is a very tasty beverage.
@Kyeh I usually do dark roasts. The good thing about dark roast is the consistency. It tends to even out the beans. Light roasts, it varies brand to brand whether they’re any good or not. Dark roasts can taste good even when poorer beans are used.
@Kyeh@OnionSoup I used to think that ‘dark roast’ means better coffee and medium or light meant worse or cheaper. Which was often true, especially used to be. But it’s as you say, dark roast doesn’t always mean ‘better.’
But you need a really good light roast, and then like a wine from a single vineyard carefully made, it can be amazing. This would be ‘drip’ (pour-over). An espresso machine (even a $2K one) won’t give you the same result, and it’s not designed to.
Also a coffee roaster in Whitefish Montana taught me something when I asked for 1lb of their espresso beans because I liked it there. She explained that it was a blend of a dark and light and why that worked well for espresso drinks. And then mixed-up a batch for me.
@Kyeh@OnionSoup@pmarin Although I dislike coffee, I have been sufficiently intrigued by all of the discussions of the merits and demerits of the various roasts that I did a little digging. Apparently, as long as the beans don’t get above. 460°F when roasting, the caffeine level is not affected. And the majority of the roasting guidelines I found advised keeping the roast temperature between 435F and 455F, but as my experience with oven temperature control predicts that trying to precisely maintain that range in the roasted beans is going to pretty much require achieving a higher temperature in the surrounding atmosphere, it seems inevitable that some of the beans will get above 460. But really, I suspect that the majority of them won’t get there without producing a burnt flavor in the end product, which I assume would be evident. Caveat: I have heard multiple reports of such a burnt flavor in the dark roasts of several suppliers including the notorious green Pacific Northwest giant.
I finally concluded that the sanest approach to the entire subject was just to find the supplier and roast that you actually like, and stick with it. If you’re not getting the caffeine level that you want or need, switch up to a larger cup. But if you’re me, the solution is to have a nice cup of tea.
Whenever I want something else to drink.
No, if you have to cut your coffee, it’s too thick.
When I’m dead
Apparently not.
I draw the line at ingesting it. Or smelling it.
@katbyter Amen!
Formally, no. Informally, it’s probably time to move on once the coffee poop comes.
@djslack Coffee poop?
@yakkoTDI is that not a thing? Seems like coffee in the morning gets things going differently than a morning without coffee. Especially if there’s lots of coffee involved.
@djslack For me apparently not. My deliveries are pretty regular whether I drink coffee or not. I wonder if it is related to my caffeine immunity.
@djslack I thought coffee poop was pooping with a cup of coffee in hand
@caffiend @djslack And I though all of you were referring to this: https://kopiluwakdirect.com/poop-coffee-kopi-luwak-history/
@caffiend @djslack @rockblossom That’s poop coffee not coffee poop.
@djslack @yakkoTDI Only around 30% of people get coffee poops, but for those that do it usually also happens with decaf.
If I’m awake, is it still coffee time?
/8ball
Yes
It basically started when I was born.
I can’t drink caffeinated anything after 3 pm…or I will never go to sleep…decaf coffee is fine but really what’s the point…I’ve never found one that actually tastes good
@sweetjoey I will trade you for a week. I can drink coffee right before bed and go straight to sleep. Caffeine does not wake me up unless it is super high doses.
@sweetjoey @yakkoTDI There’s some evidence now that coffee after a dinner, either as espresso or small cup of good coffee, can help some people sleep. Though may make you wake up and be wide awake later in early AM. I think this is highly person-dependent. For me I think it’s about 6 hours. But I don’t usually sleep more than that anyway. It rules out caffeine in late afternoon, though, as it would be hitting right about bedtime.
@pmarin @sweetjoey @yakkoTDI My brother-in-law is Swiss. He has been drinking coffee with a shot of Schnapps before bed since he was a teen. My sister once tried to (covertly) gradually switch him over to decaf, but he got terrible headaches and she had to abandon her misguided experiment.
@macromeh @pmarin @sweetjoey If good coffee is used I can see it helping you sleep. The raise in body temperature(glass of warm milk theory) helps you sleep^ and better quality coffee beans tend to have less caffeine in them^^.
^A friend of mine used to own a coffee shop and I learned not to drink hot coffee too fast late^^^ at night or I would fall asleep while still there.
^^I once read a book about coffee at my friends coffee shop. I learned a lot.
^^^Her coffee shop was open until 1:00 am during the week and 2:00 am on Fri/Sat. I really miss that place.
@macromeh @pmarin @sweetjoey @yakkoTDI
I don’t think she should have done that and can’t imagine why you would do that to someone… Caffeine withdrawal is a very real thing.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK430790/
This can vary a lot by individual. My dad would sometimes drink coffee at work for a few weeks and when he stopped be in bed with a crushing headache for a few days. I can drink a pot and a half a day for a week than just not feel like it and be fine.
If HE wanted to stop drinking caffeine they should probably plan to ride out the withdrawal and then avoid it in concentration. Somebody messing with you like that… I find a little disturbing
@sweetjoey In the barista trade, a nonfat/nondairy decaf latte with artificial sweetener is allegedly called a “why bother”.
There was a time I had coffee any time I was awake and not drinking alcohol. As I aged, I began to wake up a lot during the night so cut off the coffee at 7PM, 5PM, 3PM, until I just have one cup in the morning. I’m actually happier this way, not needing that break for a cup.
I stop coffee at noon and tea at 5:00 pm.
2 cups
I don’t have a strict cutoff, but usually my one latte in the morning from my beloved espresso maker is enough when I’m at home. When I have to go into the office, where the coffee is barely drinkable, I tend to have two or three, and yes, I know that makes no sense.
@ahacksaw
makes perfect sense to me… after all, you are already there and miserable, so why not pile it on!
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Well, sure. It’s when the Barista refuses my order for a refill, then calls me an Uber to take me home because I’m too jittery and hyper to drive. The problem is that I go back for my car in the morning and find that the tantalizing smell of brewing coffee just draws me in again. It’s a vicious cycle, and there’s no support group for it. I tried just going to an AA meeting, but someone handed me a paper cup of coffee on the way in …
@rockblossom You were supposed to go to a JA meeting, not AA.n But you have to double-check, or you might think you’re headed to Java Anonymous and find out it’s Junior Achievement instead, and get sucked into mentoring a bunch of jittery, bright, enthusiastic teens who can induce the symptoms of caffeine overdose.
@werehatrack I used to run a high school computer lab and taught some AP Calculus classes. I still have nightmares.
I will usually have equivalent of maybe 2 shots of espresso or at least strong black brewed coffee. That’s it for the day unless sometimes I need an afternoon boost but I’ll only have a little bit.
Back in work-in-office days, which is long ago (I’ve been WFH for 20 yrs, about to retire) I would just suck down the cheap free office coffee. It was just a habit, largely to give you something to do during meetings. ‘Which conference room are we going to? Where’s the nearest coffee refill?’
When I was visiting companies in Europe it was amazing what good coffee they had even from vending machines or ‘superautomatic’ espresso machines. In Italy and France there were vending machines but no coins, the employee just waved their ID card over it (this was about 25 yrs ago, long before we had that sort of thing here). I think they got 2-3 free coffees a day, and beyond that they would have to pay but used same system for buying lunch. Also you could get wine with lunch in the cafeteria. A company in Germany had an Italian Saeco superautomatic. when I got back to the US I got one for myself.
/showme espresso machine and jittery person, rendered in watercolor, banana for scale
@mediocrebot damn, AI, you are getting pretty good. Still creepy though. And the shadow on the one banana, but not the other, seems this might be part of a Peyrone’s Disease doctor ad. The espresso looks good though.
@mediocrebot @pmarin Lack of fingers helps it to be less creepy though. I guess the AI is learning to avoid the weaknesses.
@mediocrebot @yakkoTDI until it learns what the ‘bent banana’ symbolizes (it will learn this from watching TV ads). Then the prudity filter will have to kick in. And we won’t be able to ask for ‘banana for scale’ (where did that come from anyway? seems to be an inside joke here that I never got, but I go with it anyway).
I metabolize caffeine extremely quickly. The good thing about this is that I can drink a cup of coffee right before bed and it won’t impact me.
The bad thing about this is I can’t drink coffee to help me stay alert because it does nothing.
Actually, on nights I can’t sleep, I’ll often go grab a cup of coffee to help me sleep. The warm liquid (and probably my body quickly rebelling against the caffeine) gets me nice and cozy and ready to sleep.
I’m also lucky in that I don’t get caffeine withdrawal symptoms either. I’ll go through periods of months where I will drink 6 or 7 cups of coffee for months… then go cold turkey because run out of coffee for a week, and doesn’t impact me in the slightest.
@OnionSoup So you are in the same club as me. I didn’t think it was because the caffeine metabolizes quickly though. I just thought it was a natural immunity.
@OnionSoup @yakkoTDI
So are you immune to caffeine in all other forms as well?
@Kyeh @OnionSoup Pretty much. When I was young and stupid I once took 4 Vivarin tablets. That is about the equivalent of about 8 cups of coffee and it was before I ever drank coffee. That was about the only time I got anything out of caffeine. It was a great feeling.
A couple weeks later I did try 6 at once but that just kept me awake.
Neither experiment made me jittery or gave me bad feelings though. The first was like a energy boost and the second just kept me awake and bored. Of course this was in my early 20s when my daily calorie intake was between 6500 and 8000 and I slept 3 to 4 hours a day. I miss having that much time and energy.
I also do not really get anything like a sugar rush/buzz either.
@OnionSoup
@yakkoTDI - sounds like you are a metabolic freak - you should donate your body to science when you no longer need it!
(I’ve never noticed sugar rushes myself, though, either.)
@Kyeh @OnionSoup @yakkoTDI In college, I needed to study for a test, so I took some No-Doz. You would think I’d taken a sleeping pill; I totally crashed and didn’t get any studying done. Nowadays, caffeine doesn’t put me to sleep, but it doesn’t give me a buzz either. Maybe that’s because I’m a tea drinker; I can’t stand the taste of coffee.
@OnionSoup @yakkoTDI @lisagd
Weird! I guess you could use it when you NEED to sleep!?
@Kyeh @OnionSoup @yakkoTDI You would think, but that would be the time it worked like it was supposed to.
@yakkoTDI that’s what I thought too, but someone told me some people have a gene that allows them to metabolize caffeine very quickly. Makes sense, my mother drinks coffee to help her sleep too.
@Kyeh @lisagd @yakkoTDI I do. If I can’t sleep at night, I’ll sometimes get up to get myself a cup of coffee. I’m slightly jealous of people who can wake themselves up with coffee, that would be really handy.
I’ve never tried caffeine pills or energy drinks, so don’t know if same impact from them or not or those would actually do anything… But caffeinated products like tea, chocolate and soda don’t wake me either.
/image cafe latte
@ginazmck With all that foam it looks more like a cappuccino than a cafe latte.
@ginazmck @yakkoTDI unless I make it myself, I still can’t get local places to give me the milk/foam blend I want. I think that would be a ‘wet’ cappucino, meaning quite a lot of milk. A ‘dry’ cappucino would have less milk, maybe 1 cm more of foam instead.
The other rant (‘get off my lawn!’) is when the milk has been sitting in a pitcher for several minutes and has started to cool off. It’s got to be freshly steamed. My latest specification (doesn’t always work though) is ‘extra hot, extra foam’
Growing up and living in Miami, I would order and drink an entire colada (cuban coffee) to get going in the morning. I later found out that one was supposed to share the colada with 3 or 4 friends. (oops) As my office became more latinized, the cafe’ was made 3 or 4 times a day, and I would have some each time. Regular American coffee was weak stuff in comparison, so when I wasn’t in the office, I would have 4 -5 cups a day. Never lost a minute of sleep. I’m still semi-immune to caffeine.
People often assume that the darker, stronger-tasting roasts are more caffeinated, but they’re not.
https://claritycoffee.com/blog/dark-roast-caffeine
@Kyeh That’s why a large Seattle based coffee drink company uses such cheap beans. Tons of caffeine.
@yakkoTDI I don’t really like their coffee.
@Kyeh Same here. I do like their chai latte though.
Also, I have been to one of their Seattle locations and it is like a different company. They have so much competition that they make a better coffee up there.
Additionally the lime refresher is a very tasty beverage.
@Kyeh I usually do dark roasts. The good thing about dark roast is the consistency. It tends to even out the beans. Light roasts, it varies brand to brand whether they’re any good or not. Dark roasts can taste good even when poorer beans are used.
@Kyeh @OnionSoup I used to think that ‘dark roast’ means better coffee and medium or light meant worse or cheaper. Which was often true, especially used to be. But it’s as you say, dark roast doesn’t always mean ‘better.’
But you need a really good light roast, and then like a wine from a single vineyard carefully made, it can be amazing. This would be ‘drip’ (pour-over). An espresso machine (even a $2K one) won’t give you the same result, and it’s not designed to.
Also a coffee roaster in Whitefish Montana taught me something when I asked for 1lb of their espresso beans because I liked it there. She explained that it was a blend of a dark and light and why that worked well for espresso drinks. And then mixed-up a batch for me.
@Kyeh @OnionSoup @pmarin Although I dislike coffee, I have been sufficiently intrigued by all of the discussions of the merits and demerits of the various roasts that I did a little digging. Apparently, as long as the beans don’t get above. 460°F when roasting, the caffeine level is not affected. And the majority of the roasting guidelines I found advised keeping the roast temperature between 435F and 455F, but as my experience with oven temperature control predicts that trying to precisely maintain that range in the roasted beans is going to pretty much require achieving a higher temperature in the surrounding atmosphere, it seems inevitable that some of the beans will get above 460. But really, I suspect that the majority of them won’t get there without producing a burnt flavor in the end product, which I assume would be evident. Caveat: I have heard multiple reports of such a burnt flavor in the dark roasts of several suppliers including the notorious green Pacific Northwest giant.
I finally concluded that the sanest approach to the entire subject was just to find the supplier and roast that you actually like, and stick with it. If you’re not getting the caffeine level that you want or need, switch up to a larger cup. But if you’re me, the solution is to have a nice cup of tea.
/image cappuccino
no real cut-off time. Caffeine does not keep me awake, but it will make me get up to pee
half waythroughthroughout the night.I should cut myself off. But instead I’ll casually pour another cup, then realize it’s 5 pm.