@cranky1950 one price is the blame, shame, and guilty for willingly doing something you know you regret. Still debating if I should ask about the return policy.
@UncleVinny Nihilism seems so obvious that I think I must be missing the point. That tends to be my reaction to every philosophical concept that is adapted for popular consumption.
@thismyusername “Mainstream commercial nihilism can’t be trusted” was my favorite line ever from Calvin & Hobbes. I hadn’t thought about it for a long time. Thanks for reminding me.
It’s been almost an hour since this poll has been up. I’m surprised @f00l hasn’t chimed in yet. Then again the post is probably so long it’s taken a long time to type it.
I don’t really understand these polls, do you guys bet on these polls to see which response gets more votes. Other than that I don’t see a purpose for these polls
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@ruthwik1 The polls are used to build up profiles of all the Meh users so they can send us targeted advertising. All the information they gather is sold to Google and Facebook. You didn’t really think the business model was make money selling cheap crap cheaply, did you?
We may not have free will, in the sense that we are all part of a larger system wherein our behavior is the result of chemical and physical interactions far out of our control or understanding.
But in the sense of how it manifests on a day to day level, we do have free will.
Keep in mind the despite all our science, and all the science we might get in the next millennia or so (or 10 millennia or so, including the possibility of becoming enlightened [whatever that is], or merging our selves with super-intelligences), we still won’t know WTF either we or the universe run on and are made of.
We may know so much, if we get “lucky”, that it may feel like being masters if the universe.
Yeah. Not quite. Not yet.
But I totally hope it’s a long, strange, fascinating trip.
Pre-ordained? Not pre-ordained?
How would one test and measure that? How would one perceive which answer is “accurate”? How would one know that one has attempted an “answer” or a “result” that took all into account and was rigorous?
How would one even know whether the dichotomy proposed is a real one, versus being merely evidence of our brain and language structures?
^Ah, but a man’s reach should exceed his grasp, Or what’s a heaven for?*
-Robert Browning
That’s not just a poet’s commentary. That’s logically intrinsic to the universe.
Free will? It exists only for the very rich and the very poor. The rest are controlled by whoever controls their money. With free will comes capitalism.
This may not be exactly germane to the discussion but I was listening to Camper Van Beethoven yesterday and realized that this verse kinda sums up how I feel.
When the end comes to this old world
The righteous will cry and the rest will curl up
God won’t take the time to sort your ashes from mine
Cause we zig and zag between good and bad
Stumble and fall on right and wrong
Cause the tumbling dice and the luck of the draw just leads us on
@FuzzaliniKey Lime Pie, the album this song is from, is a good start. It’s the last album they made before breaking up for ten years or so. I feel bad recommending it because it’s the only album their violinist, Jonathan Segel, isn’t on. They had a temporary person in the spot at the time. I think it’s the most accessible, though, and the best introduction. After that, you can go back in time to their earlier, quirkier, work and forward in time to their more straight-forward, but still great, stuff. New Roman Times is an awesome album but for best effect I think it’s good to be familiar with the band before listening to it. Archive.org has a lot of live CVB recordings you can try too.
Alt perspectives, some what related to this poll question, purportedly from a single writer:
O, that this too too solid flesh would melt
Thaw and resolve itself into a dew!
Or that the Everlasting had not fix’d
His canon ‘gainst self-slaughter! O God! God!
How weary, stale, flat and unprofitable,
Seem to me all the uses of this world!
Fie on’t! ah fie! ’tis an unweeded garden,
That grows to seed; things rank and gross in nature
Possess it merely. That it should come to this!
To be, or not to be, that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take Arms against a Sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them: to die, to sleep
No more; and by a sleep, to say we end
the heart-ache, and the thousand natural shocks
that Flesh is heir to? 'Tis a consummation
devoutly to be wished. To die, to sleep,
To sleep, perchance to Dream; aye, there’s the rub,
for in that sleep of death, what dreams may come,
when we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
must give us pause. There’s the respect
that makes Calamity of so long life:
For who would bear the Whips and Scorns of time,
the Oppressor’s wrong, the proud man’s Contumely, [F: poor]
the pangs of despised Love, the Law’s delay, [F: disprized]
the insolence of Office, and the spurns
that patient merit of the unworthy takes,
when he himself might his Quietus make
with a bare Bodkin? Who would Fardels bear, [F: these Fardels]
to grunt and sweat under a weary life,
but that the dread of something after death,
the undiscovered country, from whose bourn
no traveller returns, puzzles the will,
and makes us rather bear those ills we have,
than fly to others that we know not of.
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,
and thus the native hue of Resolution
Is sicklied o’er, with the pale cast of Thought,
And enterprises of great pitch and moment, [F: pith]
with this regard their Currents turn awry, [F: away]
And lose the name of Action.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
There is a tide in the affairs of men.
Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
Omitted, all the voyage of their life
Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
On such a full sea are we now afloat,
And we must take the current when it serves,
Or lose our ventures.
In the sense of “totally free” I would say no. Every decision we make is based on something from our past. If I walk into a room and am looking for a seat, I will sit based on some internal or external force.
I like to be up close to hear, or i like to sit in back because I’m shy, or I like to sit on the isle so I can make a quick exit, or I have bought a ticket that is assigned by someone else. The decision is based on some force either external or internal that determines what I do. If I have complete and utter free will, with no experiences from my past, then I probably would stand, not able to make a decision.
@chienfou I did a free online will generator thing… Turns out you still have to file it somewhere with a lawyer or something or it’s not binding…I don’t know, seemed like a waste of time
Ain’t nothing free. Some times it seems that something is free, but there’s a hidden surcharge somewhere.
@cranky1950 one price is the blame, shame, and guilty for willingly doing something you know you regret. Still debating if I should ask about the return policy.
@cranky1950 aww man you got fees on you!
@cranky1950
ALL YOUR VIG ARE BELONG TO US!
I’d really like to say I am not responsible for my failings, but then I couldn’t take pride in my success.
@simplersimon Can’t take pride in your success anyway. Pride is one of the deadlies
@cranky1950 Eh, coming here, I already hit greed and sloth. I’m not going Ash Ketchum on 'em, but I figure a third would round things off.
@simplersimon
And It’s
One,
Two
Three Strikes,
You’re Out!
At The Old Ball Game.
@spitfire6006006
That Danny Trevathan is a Bear.
@cranky1950
If that is true, is he pre-ordained to eat dead @mfladd and then shit out the remains?
Or is that a “bearable” act of free will?
/giphy "bear with me"
Where my nihilists at?
@UncleVinny I dabble in nihilism sometimes.
@UncleVinny
@UncleVinny Nihilism seems so obvious that I think I must be missing the point. That tends to be my reaction to every philosophical concept that is adapted for popular consumption.
@UncleVinny
@mfladd young bones groan and the rocks below cry, “Throw your skinny body down, son.”
@InnocuousFarmer
If you are a true capitalist, a worthy philosophy adapted (and properly debased) for popular consumption is a business opportunity.
/giphy money
@thismyusername “Mainstream commercial nihilism can’t be trusted” was my favorite line ever from Calvin & Hobbes. I hadn’t thought about it for a long time. Thanks for reminding me.
@f00l Hmm I wouldn’t be spending my time making an angel in that money. I’d be practical and collect it all up and then leave.
@Kidsandliz
A mere tinkling symbol. ; )
/youtube Rush Free Will
@2many2no Can’t believe it took 15 minutes for this.
/giphy Rush gets no respect.
It’s been almost an hour since this poll has been up. I’m surprised @f00l hasn’t chimed in yet. Then again the post is probably so long it’s taken a long time to type it.
@Mehrocco_Mole
Apologies. Busy. Elsewhere. Victim of cruel predetermined fate and all that.
Please arrange that Pre-Ordained Fate causes you to pity me. Could use me some more good-quality pity.
/giphy fate
@f00l You need the A team
@cranky1950
Me ‘n’ T be homies.
@f00l You left out an L
@cranky1950
Pre-Ordained.
Sure.
Working assumption for entertainment porpoises.
Double your pleasure, double your fun.
Oh, why did I type this?
You might live in the 21st century, if you read this as “…free WiFi.”
Yes, I believe in free Wifi.
@TheCO2 Free to have all your packets intercepted and analyzed!
I don’t really understand these polls, do you guys bet on these polls to see which response gets more votes. Other than that I don’t see a purpose for these polls
@ruthwik1
Barbaric, Mystical, Bored
@ruthwik1 The polls are used to build up profiles of all the Meh users so they can send us targeted advertising. All the information they gather is sold to Google and Facebook. You didn’t really think the business model was make money selling cheap crap cheaply, did you?
I saw it in church as a kid so yes, I definitely believe in Free Willy.
#beingbad
@PocketBrain
So your Willy is Free?
/youtube "Detachable Penis"
We may not have free will, in the sense that we are all part of a larger system wherein our behavior is the result of chemical and physical interactions far out of our control or understanding.
But in the sense of how it manifests on a day to day level, we do have free will.
@sanspoint
Keep in mind the despite all our science, and all the science we might get in the next millennia or so (or 10 millennia or so, including the possibility of becoming enlightened [whatever that is], or merging our selves with super-intelligences), we still won’t know WTF either we or the universe run on and are made of.
We may know so much, if we get “lucky”, that it may feel like being masters if the universe.
Yeah. Not quite. Not yet.
But I totally hope it’s a long, strange, fascinating trip.
Pre-ordained? Not pre-ordained?
How would one test and measure that? How would one perceive which answer is “accurate”? How would one know that one has attempted an “answer” or a “result” that took all into account and was rigorous?
How would one even know whether the dichotomy proposed is a real one, versus being merely evidence of our brain and language structures?
-Robert Browning
That’s not just a poet’s commentary. That’s logically intrinsic to the universe.
Free will? It exists only for the very rich and the very poor. The rest are controlled by whoever controls their money. With free will comes capitalism.
I’m surprised nobody has linked the Rush song yet:
@Omega360 scroll up a little… same song, different link.
@Omega360 Somebody did link the Rush song already, roughly 8.5 hours before you. The question is this: was it truly free will for you to overlook it?
This may not be exactly germane to the discussion but I was listening to Camper Van Beethoven yesterday and realized that this verse kinda sums up how I feel.
@SSteve I might have to give them a try. I just know enough of them to call the custom van that keeps parking in my spot Camper Van Beethoven.
@Fuzzalini Key Lime Pie, the album this song is from, is a good start. It’s the last album they made before breaking up for ten years or so. I feel bad recommending it because it’s the only album their violinist, Jonathan Segel, isn’t on. They had a temporary person in the spot at the time. I think it’s the most accessible, though, and the best introduction. After that, you can go back in time to their earlier, quirkier, work and forward in time to their more straight-forward, but still great, stuff. New Roman Times is an awesome album but for best effect I think it’s good to be familiar with the band before listening to it. Archive.org has a lot of live CVB recordings you can try too.
/youtube mongo only pawn
@medz
Mongo got a response to that tho.
@f00l Yup. Sometimes you just gotta punch life right it its smug horse mouth.
You didn’t define Free Will.
@DrunkCat
Rigorous definitions are for plebs.
Alt perspectives, some what related to this poll question, purportedly from a single writer:
And meta-commentary:
In the sense of “totally free” I would say no. Every decision we make is based on something from our past. If I walk into a room and am looking for a seat, I will sit based on some internal or external force.
I like to be up close to hear, or i like to sit in back because I’m shy, or I like to sit on the isle so I can make a quick exit, or I have bought a ticket that is assigned by someone else. The decision is based on some force either external or internal that determines what I do. If I have complete and utter free will, with no experiences from my past, then I probably would stand, not able to make a decision.
I still haven’t made a will, but my parents paid good money to their shyster for theirs… therefore, “no free will”…
@chienfou I did a free online will generator thing… Turns out you still have to file it somewhere with a lawyer or something or it’s not binding…I don’t know, seemed like a waste of time
/giphy I do what I want
@cranky1950