@finalremix I used to use a 4D monster for that very reason. It had a metal case and when I walked around at night to close our nursing school building down. I carried that thing with me. I was a 2nd shift IT person who had the responsibility of making sure that no one was hiding in the closets. I won’t kid you. It made me feel better.
@Fodder650 Oh, I believe it. I got through long grad school nights with one of those smaller LED “tactical window-basher” flashlights. You can cut weird patterns into someone if nothing else. I can imagine this beast walks the walk. Thinking of getting one for each car in the family.
@arosiriak@chienfou@finalremix@Fodder650 Anybody know if they made lithium batteries in the “D”-battery form factor? I bought these Taclights from meh awhile back (solid, pic below. I almost felt cheated out of my usual regret) and they came with the standard 3.7v Li-ion packs everything uses. The only reason I won’t spring for one of these beasts is the cost of the batteries.
@finalremix@Fodder650 we had old school mag lights back in 2006 ish and the led replacement bulb was a brighter upgrade, longer battery life, and it might have made a decent baton… In theory. Cause you were limited as student security or other roles.
I prefer a palmable 10+times brighter 18650 light and a .45.
D’s are horribly expensive and if you sub them out you loose half the weight… Just not worth it.
The general theory is that you are not allowed to have a weapon because of BS rules/policies. So they would not let you carry a baton or an asp or pepper spray to defend your self. So if you were working nights you are just fucked if someone tries to jump you.
But you could have a big ass flashlight. It was a well known management cheat/compromise. That is entirely stupid in this day in age but I could def see it continuing. There is no reason to carry a 4D flashlight for light. But if your management is fucking you…
And that pipe you made up? You made a weapon and brought it to work and now you’re really fucked
@dvermilion sigh… Its not a matter of showing it. Although with that stupid of an option they would notice and might fire you first. My .40 is much smaller than your pipe and no one would have ever seen it. And thankfully I had enough common sense to never need it. The point was it you had to you’re on your own and the company would immediately throw you under the bus for violating company policy.
@chienfou@finalremix@macdaddy1 I was a 2nd shift IT tech who also had to walk the halls of where I walked at the end of my shift to make sure no one was hiding in the closets as part of my responsibilities.
Oh and, for the record, I have been a firefighter in the past as well.
@chienfou Thanks for going for those jobs! Tough gig. Mainly for the young guys. Hard on the body. Record is now noted. I suspect courage is not in short supply with you, and you’re probably long on discernment now.
Thanks. I am now an ER nurse at a small community hospital and really enjoy my (current) career. Those years in other jobs (food service, construction, retail sales, homeschool supply design and sales, Fire/EMS) all help me be able to relate to and care for my patients.
@rkindnessal@tweezak I sincerely hope that anyones use of a weapon would be defensible in court. It doesn’t matter what it is. Many things can be a weapon. You only use them in they manner if required.
No sane person would buy this if the sole purpose was to provide light.
Self defense, as a defense against prosecution, is really dependent on your state. I’m in KY and you can use anything to defend yourself and it’s hard to get in trouble. In some other states the bar is much higher in general, and the weapon you choose can be used against you by the prosecution. I don’t think I could handle living in a state like that, feeling like the state & municipal governments are just looking to go after you!
@rkindnessal@unksol Ok…serious tone engaged.
If you go outside at 3:00 am to investigate a noise and come face to face with someone, unless they have something other than their fists to present you with normal physical force (or are significantly more powerful than you) you can’t escalate the situation to lethal force unless you are in fear of death or grievous bodily harm. This varies by state so know your laws. Sometimes if someone is trespassing and refuses to leave it is enough justification to shoot them. But in this case, if you just happen to have your flashlight in your hand because you were looking around in the dark then you probably have a viable defense for using it to fend off an attacker. However, if you expressed here that you intended to use this as a bludgeoning weapon and that is found by a lawyer you could have a hard time explaining it away. You could easily be painted as a bloodthirsty psychopath that could have bought a “reasonable” flashlight but you went out of your way to buy a club with clear intent to beat someone to death at the first opportunity. You even “bragged” about it online.
Bludgeoning is no small thing. More people were murdered by bludgeoning than were killed with long guns in 2018 (latest FBI data available). That includes AR-15s, shotguns, AK-47s - all long guns. I think it was around 330 for long guns and 350 for bludgeoning.
And just common sense if someone is just standing in your yard that’s a little weird . Or rooting around in your shed call the police and follow them… If someone breaks into your house it’s flight or fight time… And I would have a better weapon.
Example. Reasonable vs deadly force is a critical distinction. Clearly this is just my state law
if the person reasonably believes that that force is necessary to prevent serious bodily injury to the person or a third person or the commission of a forcible felony. No person in this state shall be placed in legal jeopardy of any kind whatsoever for protecting the person or a third person by reasonable means necessary.
(d) A person:
(1) is justified in using reasonable force, including deadly force, against any other person; and
(2) does not have a duty to retreat;
if the person reasonably believes that the force is necessary to prevent or terminate the other person’s unlawful entry of or attack on the person’s dwelling, curtilage, or occupied motor vehicle.
(e) With respect to property other than a dwelling, curtilage, or an occupied motor vehicle, a person is justified in using reasonable force against any other person if the person reasonably believes that the force is necessary to immediately prevent or terminate the other person’s trespass on or criminal interference with property lawfully in the person’s possession, lawfully in possession of a member of the person’s immediate family, or belonging to a person whose property the person has authority to protect. However, a person:
@hchavers I’m not sure how softly you need to walk while you carry this. I’m not even sure Why you’re concerned about how you’re supposed to walk while you’re carrying this? Is it really fragile? Are you afraid of jostling it too much?
Now If you want to know how softly you should SPEAK while carrying this, well I still don’t know. I’ll have to get back to you.
Bought the Red Alert on here a few years back, its a 12 volt battery takes 9 AAA, and it’s a giant pain in the ass , here’s the problem you will incur with these long flash lights the battery closest to the light gets hot swells or leaks now you can’t remove it so you have to bang one end on concrete to get it to move now you cant screw the back plate back on because you fucked the threads up ,.If you did buy this just remove the batteries once a week to prevent this, its when they leak and sits in there for a month that you get the problem ,Meh did replace it for free think they were 20 bucks ,but brightest strobe on earth blinding in fact,
I’m sure there will be lots of people who will tell me how wrong I am about this (ok maybe 2) but 650 lumens doesn’t seem so bright. I bought Taclights on 2 for Tuesday a little over a year ago and they were 1100 lumens. They are quite bright. Probably a little less than twice as bright.
I briefly considered becoming a flashlight nerd a few years ago. Went pretty deep into the lumen claim debates, lengthy discussions on the perfect battery size, feature separation for different EDC scenarios, all that.
In the end, I got a couple conveniently-sized Maglite models (XL50 and XL200) for my bedroom and glove box along with some AAA eneloops that I recharge every six months. I paid about the same for all that than what I would have for the one Streamlight model I was considering, and the Maglites have performed flawlessly for years through some pretty nasty conditions. I also haven’t thrown one battery in the trash.
Unless you specifically need a weapon masquerading as a tool, there are better options out there than today’s offering that can be had for about the same cost.
Also: no shade on the flashlight nerds. There are valid reasons for getting very expensive flashlights, if only because it’s a hobby/collection.
Item (Coleman flashlight) received a few days ago; finally opened this flash light to checked it out: switched on the power slider and it became stuck in the on position and won’t slide back to off. DEFECTIVE?