I’m not one for conspiracy theories in the slightest, but it has been my growing belief that the staggering increases in depression and neurodivergence (including autism) is likely linked to things like Teflon and microplastics. Just like the effects of leaded gasoline, it has built up in us over decades of use.
@haydesigner It can’t be good, if PFAS or microplastics coss the blood brain barrier it could contribute to a whole host of neurological diseases, but it’s hard to contribute any one disorder to this stuff in studies because of all the other extraneous factors. You’d almost need a multi decade twin study of one exposed to the regular plastic world and one in a glass bubble with pre 20th century food and bevi technology.
@haydesigner the “staggering increase” is doctors no longer telling you theres nothing wrong with you and actually diagnosing people. Changes in the practice of medicine (such as no longer juat telling women to lose weight and drink more water when they say theyre sad or having trouble concentrating, leading to a 300% increase in ADHD diagnoses in women in the past few years) leads to better diagnoses. The conditions were already there, it’s just people started getting a name finally put to them (similar to how people have always been getting kidnapped and harmed but we didnt hear about it “back then” because there wasn’t social media and on-demand, immediate access to news).
@haydesigner@ked8517 It’s like when left-handedness finally started to be accepted and there were “staggering increases” that actually leveled off and have stayed at that level ever since. I suspect that that is what will happen with ADHD and autism too. It’s a relatively common way that people’s brains develop but up until recently, people were just told that they were lazy and/or stupid and/or crazy instead of saying “your brain is different, here’s how to work with it instead of against it” which includes things like therapy and medication.
If neurodivergencies were caused by PFAS or microplastics, why do they have a strong genetic component that goes back several generations?
@alziepen@haydesigner Yeah the perfect twin study that we can’t do. And PFAS is also in the environment to the extent that almost all people have some in their blood, it is in our water, etc. When it gets above 500 degrees (on the stove top, when incinerated after you throw it out) it gets into the atmosphere/environment/water/soil and us. So to study the damage you’d have to look at the amount in a person, their medical issues and do a correlational study. The problem is that correlation does not mean causation although the preponderance of evidence can be enough that it is clear there is an issue. Plus lab studies can control the level of PFAS in mice, etc. (and purify the water they drink to have none, the food they eat, etc, and introduce different levels into their, for example, food) to look at the effects on them and then depending on what we already know about mouse models and humans (which don’t always transfer across) draw some conclusions. Science is more complicated than that but you get the general idea.
@haydesigner@jersharocks@ked8517
Little Timmy gets handed a tablet every time he gets bored with bright moving pictures to stare at. Goes to kindergarten, can’t sit still. Obviously ADHD, give the kid some drugs.
15 year old Brittany isn’t doing well in school, assignments are late, couldn’t possibly be because she’s up to 2 am watching Tik Tok. She’s not going to Harvard at this rate. Give her some uppers, extra time on tests, and let her hand in assignments whenever she feels like it because time blindness.
45 year old Maggie has trouble remembering things and getting organized. Totally not menopause, ADHD meds to the rescue.
I believe that some people have ADHD, and those people aren’t getting the help they need because the system is being flooded.
Gotta say: The lids on these are fantastic. Ca a change ma vie. Seriously, these work fine with other 8- and 10-inch pots, they aren’t fragile at all, and they reduce the WTF-do-I-do-with-all-these-weird-shaped-lids problem to a few inches on the pot rack. I threw away a whole pile of lids that was occupying a bottom cabinet, and feigned ignorance when asked because no one else cooks around this place more than once a month anyway. Did I keep the pots and their weird non-stick microplastic fuckery? No, no I did not. But given the price those damn lids go for by themselves, this deal is almost worth it for the lids alone. Not quite, but almost.
@marclove I have found that even on expensive frying pans with the non-stick surface, they start having problems after 3 - 5 years. I’d agree on the stainless steel. I just wish it you didn’t have to put cooking oil in the stainless steel ones to fry non-fatty things.
@Kidsandliz@marclove I’m still using the Revere copper-clad pots and pans my mom was using when I was born in 1954. Still work perfectly after 70+ years. New Tramontina non-sticks are okay though - they last almost 5 years with careful use and cleaning…
@marclove@MrNews Mom mom had those exact pans too. One of my nieces now has them. I think they are better than the stainless steel aluminum bottom pans I have. I think they heat more evenly than my pans. My pans are just fine so I can’t justify getting rid of them and buying that kind though. I do own frying pans with non-stick surfaces that I use more than the ones that came with my pot and pan set. And yes those non-stick only last 3-5 years.
@Kidsandliz@marclove Revere Ware is no longer made at all, and from 1968 onward it was manufactured in Korea, and then China. The copper layer got thinner, the aluminum quality declined, the handles were poorly attached, and quality control was minimal. Originally, it had been consistent & sturdy American-made cookware that actually traced its lineage back to THE Paul Revere! The latter-day junk-y versions are depressing. But I’ve eaten meals cooked in the wonderful mid-20th century stuff for seven decades…
@Pufferfishy Yes these days the write up needs to include that for people as so many have that kind of stove top (I have what a cheap apartment provides so not my problem.)
@DKBingham@romellex The handles don’t come off, They are all riveted in place. It may look like they clamp and unclamp because of the support brackets that make stacking possible without endangering any coatings, but the handles are emphatically not removable.
@romellex@werehatrack you’re correct - I saw one of the images and for some reason I interpreted it without the handles, thereby thinking the handles remove.
@Jonas4321 And if they make a set with a ceramic nonstick interior, I will want them. But I’m trying really hard to boycott the entire PFAS product group because of the environmental and worker safety hazards that the substances used in manufacturing present.
@babsred customer service should be able to help. It’s the “I need help with this” button on the order page. Just sounds like maybe a label got put on the wrong box. My experiences, though few, have always been positive.
Specs
Product: Calphalon Select Space-Saving Hard-Anodized Nonstick 9-Piece Cookware Set
Model: 2058503
Condition: New
What’s Included?
Price Comparison
$215.27 at Amazon
$259.99 at Target
$299.99 at Calphalon
Warranty
10 Year Limited Warranty
Estimated Delivery
Thursday, Feb 8 - Monday, Feb 12
Dutch oven you say! That’s a gas!
I’m too tired to get potted.
Stop tempting me with this set that I can’t use on my induction cooktop!
Mmm, delicious PFAS, part of a balanced diet.
@The_Tim Yeeeeah.
@The_Tim Makes it an automatic Meh for me.
Meh is running its own version of Ground Hog Day. Or am i just imagining the frequent reruns of this sale?
I’m not one for conspiracy theories in the slightest, but it has been my growing belief that the staggering increases in depression and neurodivergence (including autism) is likely linked to things like Teflon and microplastics. Just like the effects of leaded gasoline, it has built up in us over decades of use.
@haydesigner It can’t be good, if PFAS or microplastics coss the blood brain barrier it could contribute to a whole host of neurological diseases, but it’s hard to contribute any one disorder to this stuff in studies because of all the other extraneous factors. You’d almost need a multi decade twin study of one exposed to the regular plastic world and one in a glass bubble with pre 20th century food and bevi technology.
@haydesigner the “staggering increase” is doctors no longer telling you theres nothing wrong with you and actually diagnosing people. Changes in the practice of medicine (such as no longer juat telling women to lose weight and drink more water when they say theyre sad or having trouble concentrating, leading to a 300% increase in ADHD diagnoses in women in the past few years) leads to better diagnoses. The conditions were already there, it’s just people started getting a name finally put to them (similar to how people have always been getting kidnapped and harmed but we didnt hear about it “back then” because there wasn’t social media and on-demand, immediate access to news).
@haydesigner @ked8517 It’s like when left-handedness finally started to be accepted and there were “staggering increases” that actually leveled off and have stayed at that level ever since. I suspect that that is what will happen with ADHD and autism too. It’s a relatively common way that people’s brains develop but up until recently, people were just told that they were lazy and/or stupid and/or crazy instead of saying “your brain is different, here’s how to work with it instead of against it” which includes things like therapy and medication.
If neurodivergencies were caused by PFAS or microplastics, why do they have a strong genetic component that goes back several generations?
@alziepen @haydesigner Yeah the perfect twin study that we can’t do. And PFAS is also in the environment to the extent that almost all people have some in their blood, it is in our water, etc. When it gets above 500 degrees (on the stove top, when incinerated after you throw it out) it gets into the atmosphere/environment/water/soil and us. So to study the damage you’d have to look at the amount in a person, their medical issues and do a correlational study. The problem is that correlation does not mean causation although the preponderance of evidence can be enough that it is clear there is an issue. Plus lab studies can control the level of PFAS in mice, etc. (and purify the water they drink to have none, the food they eat, etc, and introduce different levels into their, for example, food) to look at the effects on them and then depending on what we already know about mouse models and humans (which don’t always transfer across) draw some conclusions. Science is more complicated than that but you get the general idea.
@haydesigner @jersharocks @ked8517
Little Timmy gets handed a tablet every time he gets bored with bright moving pictures to stare at. Goes to kindergarten, can’t sit still. Obviously ADHD, give the kid some drugs.
15 year old Brittany isn’t doing well in school, assignments are late, couldn’t possibly be because she’s up to 2 am watching Tik Tok. She’s not going to Harvard at this rate. Give her some uppers, extra time on tests, and let her hand in assignments whenever she feels like it because time blindness.
45 year old Maggie has trouble remembering things and getting organized. Totally not menopause, ADHD meds to the rescue.
I believe that some people have ADHD, and those people aren’t getting the help they need because the system is being flooded.
Don’t get me started about autism.
Gotta say: The lids on these are fantastic. Ca a change ma vie. Seriously, these work fine with other 8- and 10-inch pots, they aren’t fragile at all, and they reduce the WTF-do-I-do-with-all-these-weird-shaped-lids problem to a few inches on the pot rack. I threw away a whole pile of lids that was occupying a bottom cabinet, and feigned ignorance when asked because no one else cooks around this place more than once a month anyway. Did I keep the pots and their weird non-stick microplastic fuckery? No, no I did not. But given the price those damn lids go for by themselves, this deal is almost worth it for the lids alone. Not quite, but almost.
Space saving? These won’t help us save space when the extraterrestrials come.
@OnionSoup
Garbage pots and pans people buy in their 20’s. Forget these monstrosities, grow up, and get yourself some stainless steel that’ll last forever!
@marclove I have found that even on expensive frying pans with the non-stick surface, they start having problems after 3 - 5 years. I’d agree on the stainless steel. I just wish it you didn’t have to put cooking oil in the stainless steel ones to fry non-fatty things.
@Kidsandliz @marclove I’m still using the Revere copper-clad pots and pans my mom was using when I was born in 1954. Still work perfectly after 70+ years. New Tramontina non-sticks are okay though - they last almost 5 years with careful use and cleaning…
@marclove @MrNews Mom mom had those exact pans too. One of my nieces now has them. I think they are better than the stainless steel aluminum bottom pans I have. I think they heat more evenly than my pans. My pans are just fine so I can’t justify getting rid of them and buying that kind though. I do own frying pans with non-stick surfaces that I use more than the ones that came with my pot and pan set. And yes those non-stick only last 3-5 years.
@marclove apples to oranges. Own these already, they are very good for the money and what they are.
@Kidsandliz @marclove Revere Ware is no longer made at all, and from 1968 onward it was manufactured in Korea, and then China. The copper layer got thinner, the aluminum quality declined, the handles were poorly attached, and quality control was minimal. Originally, it had been consistent & sturdy American-made cookware that actually traced its lineage back to THE Paul Revere! The latter-day junk-y versions are depressing. But I’ve eaten meals cooked in the wonderful mid-20th century stuff for seven decades…
Just got the stainless steel version of this set recently. Wife loves them. No lids fall out of the cabinet anymore when you open the door.
@gobnu link please?
I got these pans, and like the way they cook. But I have to warn anyone with weak wrists - they are quite heavy.
…because it’s STILL too hard to type “Not induction compatible”
@Pufferfishy Yes these days the write up needs to include that for people as so many have that kind of stove top (I have what a cheap apartment provides so not my problem.)
@Pufferfishy on the other hand, they seem to have no trouble typing “microfiber”
We just bought an RV. This is perfect for it - decent brand, stackable, and the handles come off. Crossing fingers that it works as well as it looks.
@DKBingham Huh - how do the handles come off?
@DKBingham @romellex The handles don’t come off, They are all riveted in place. It may look like they clamp and unclamp because of the support brackets that make stacking possible without endangering any coatings, but the handles are emphatically not removable.
@romellex @werehatrack you’re correct - I saw one of the images and for some reason I interpreted it without the handles, thereby thinking the handles remove.
I still think they will do well in my RV
Thank you for the correction!
I actually dug my pans out and tried to remove handles. Good to hear it wasn’t my ineptness or lack of muscle.
Romelle
I have the style, pan and lids and they are awesome.
KRULL! A SKULL! BRETT HULL! AWESOME!
Own this set at our camp. Used maybe 10 times a year. Stacking and interchanging lids are a great feature. Well made and sturdy.
@Jonas4321 And if they make a set with a ceramic nonstick interior, I will want them. But I’m trying really hard to boycott the entire PFAS product group because of the environmental and worker safety hazards that the substances used in manufacturing present.
@Jonas4321 @werehatrack forever chemicals ftw!
/giphy forever chemicals
@Jonas4321 @werehatrack this person keeps popping up, lol. Wonder who they are?
You do you.
I ordered these but received a blue tooth alarm clock! How does that even happen?
@babsred does your Calphalon order show as delivered?
Yes
@babsred customer service should be able to help. It’s the “I need help with this” button on the order page. Just sounds like maybe a label got put on the wrong box. My experiences, though few, have always been positive.