I’m not one for conspiracy theories in the slightest, but it has been my growing belief that the staggering increases in depression and neurodivergence (including autism) is likely linked to things like Teflon and microplastics. Just like the effects of leaded gasoline, it has built up in us over decades of use.
@haydesigner It can’t be good, if PFAS or microplastics coss the blood brain barrier it could contribute to a whole host of neurological diseases, but it’s hard to contribute any one disorder to this stuff in studies because of all the other extraneous factors. You’d almost need a multi decade twin study of one exposed to the regular plastic world and one in a glass bubble with pre 20th century food and bevi technology.
@haydesigner the “staggering increase” is doctors no longer telling you theres nothing wrong with you and actually diagnosing people. Changes in the practice of medicine (such as no longer juat telling women to lose weight and drink more water when they say theyre sad or having trouble concentrating, leading to a 300% increase in ADHD diagnoses in women in the past few years) leads to better diagnoses. The conditions were already there, it’s just people started getting a name finally put to them (similar to how people have always been getting kidnapped and harmed but we didnt hear about it “back then” because there wasn’t social media and on-demand, immediate access to news).
@haydesigner@ked8517 It’s like when left-handedness finally started to be accepted and there were “staggering increases” that actually leveled off and have stayed at that level ever since. I suspect that that is what will happen with ADHD and autism too. It’s a relatively common way that people’s brains develop but up until recently, people were just told that they were lazy and/or stupid and/or crazy instead of saying “your brain is different, here’s how to work with it instead of against it” which includes things like therapy and medication.
If neurodivergencies were caused by PFAS or microplastics, why do they have a strong genetic component that goes back several generations?
@alziepen@haydesigner Yeah the perfect twin study that we can’t do. And PFAS is also in the environment to the extent that almost all people have some in their blood, it is in our water, etc. When it gets above 500 degrees (on the stove top, when incinerated after you throw it out) it gets into the atmosphere/environment/water/soil and us. So to study the damage you’d have to look at the amount in a person, their medical issues and do a correlational study. The problem is that correlation does not mean causation although the preponderance of evidence can be enough that it is clear there is an issue. Plus lab studies can control the level of PFAS in mice, etc. (and purify the water they drink to have none, the food they eat, etc, and introduce different levels into their, for example, food) to look at the effects on them and then depending on what we already know about mouse models and humans (which don’t always transfer across) draw some conclusions. Science is more complicated than that but you get the general idea.
Little Timmy gets handed a tablet every time he gets bored with bright moving pictures to stare at. Goes to kindergarten, can’t sit still. Obviously ADHD, give the kid some drugs.
15 year old Brittany isn’t doing well in school, assignments are late, couldn’t possibly be because she’s up to 2 am watching Tik Tok. She’s not going to Harvard at this rate. Give her some uppers, extra time on tests, and let her hand in assignments whenever she feels like it because time blindness.
45 year old Maggie has trouble remembering things and getting organized. Totally not menopause, ADHD meds to the rescue.
I believe that some people have ADHD, and those people aren’t getting the help they need because the system is being flooded.
Gotta say: The lids on these are fantastic. Ca a change ma vie. Seriously, these work fine with other 8- and 10-inch pots, they aren’t fragile at all, and they reduce the WTF-do-I-do-with-all-these-weird-shaped-lids problem to a few inches on the pot rack. I threw away a whole pile of lids that was occupying a bottom cabinet, and feigned ignorance when asked because no one else cooks around this place more than once a month anyway. Did I keep the pots and their weird non-stick microplastic fuckery? No, no I did not. But given the price those damn lids go for by themselves, this deal is almost worth it for the lids alone. Not quite, but almost.
@marclove I have found that even on expensive frying pans with the non-stick surface, they start having problems after 3 - 5 years. I’d agree on the stainless steel. I just wish it you didn’t have to put cooking oil in the stainless steel ones to fry non-fatty things.
@Kidsandliz@marclove I’m still using the Revere copper-clad pots and pans my mom was using when I was born in 1954. Still work perfectly after 70+ years. New Tramontina non-sticks are okay though - they last almost 5 years with careful use and cleaning…
@marclove@MrNews Mom mom had those exact pans too. One of my nieces now has them. I think they are better than the stainless steel aluminum bottom pans I have. I think they heat more evenly than my pans. My pans are just fine so I can’t justify getting rid of them and buying that kind though. I do own frying pans with non-stick surfaces that I use more than the ones that came with my pot and pan set. And yes those non-stick only last 3-5 years.
@Kidsandliz@marclove Revere Ware is no longer made at all, and from 1968 onward it was manufactured in Korea, and then China. The copper layer got thinner, the aluminum quality declined, the handles were poorly attached, and quality control was minimal. Originally, it had been consistent & sturdy American-made cookware that actually traced its lineage back to THE Paul Revere! The latter-day junk-y versions are depressing. But I’ve eaten meals cooked in the wonderful mid-20th century stuff for seven decades…
@DKBingham@romellex The handles don’t come off, They are all riveted in place. It may look like they clamp and unclamp because of the support brackets that make stacking possible without endangering any coatings, but the handles are emphatically not removable.
@Jonas4321 And if they make a set with a ceramic nonstick interior, I will want them. But I’m trying really hard to boycott the entire PFAS product group because of the environmental and worker safety hazards that the substances used in manufacturing present.
@babsred customer service should be able to help. It’s the “I need help with this” button on the order page. Just sounds like maybe a label got put on the wrong box. My experiences, though few, have always been positive.