Soon enough, they will be bigger, and mobile, and active, and everywhere. And because they are around humans from the start, they’ll be socialized, and that means you get to have them pestering you.
I have two older kittens at the moment that were neighborhood ferals that showed up in my yard. They’re about 14 weeks old, noncombative, but still terrified of us. But not so terrified that they won’t lick gooshy treats off of our fingers. Their mom, however, would rather shred humans than be seen by them. I’m trying to figure out how to get her out of the kennel cage and back into the live trap for transportation to one of the TNR vets to be spayed. She’s definitely not going to socialize, no way. And I’d like to still have all of my appendages after handling her. She’s 100% unwilling to go anywhere near the trap.
@lisaviolet When I bottle fed my baby it was amazing what seemed to be reflexive (for example grooming, wiggling one’s raised butt before pouncing) and what learned behavior from their mom (like some dominance behaviors and slowly lowering and raising eye lids when content).
@Kyeh@lisaviolet Yeah when I have fostered cats it has broken my heart to give them away. On the other hand had I not given away some I’d have had 11 cats at one point in time and that is too many for me to handle.
I sez to my husband the other day that we need to start handling them to get them use to hoomans.
He sez back “yes, we don’t want to have a repeat of Jackie”, who was a total feral from the moment we brought him in. It wasn’t until the last year of his life (after we had someone in rescue trap him here in the house, take him to a vet who worked with ferals and get him fixed) that he was a nice cat. We were really sad to lose him to cancer.
But it sounded to me like we may be failing another foster situation.
@Kyeh At the time, we were into the Simpsons. We had a Bart and Maggie, then we got this little orange and white kitten from my mom. We named her Lisa. Her middle name was my mom’s name. Violet.
When I first came online (August 1, 1996), it was to look for help in getting a feral to come down out of the rafters in our garage (we tricked him into going into the garage to catch him). His name was Red Rafter.
Once online, I noticed there was a plethora of various iterations of the name Dianne. So, I picked one of the cats’ names.
Red finally left the rafters a year later. All that time, I climbed a ladder to feed him, change the water and clean the litter box.
Because otherwise you’d be calling them Thing 1, Thing 2, etc, and when you kept at least one of them its name would then be “Thing Thing” which is the name of campus (where I rescued her from) kitty who I said I wasn’t going to be keeping… and now 3.5 years later she knows her name and when I call her comes running purring loudly (she is one of those “grateful” cats).
@Kidsandliz@Kyeh@lisaviolet And what is wrong with Thing One and Thing Two -exactly? We intentionally used those names. Use just One and Two in practice though. One was Kitty or Lil Kitty until we ended up adopting her daughter and she became Thing One. One was found pregnant and the rescue fostered her until the kittens were ready to be adopted. Two went to a family and got returned later. We brought her home thinking Mom would bond well with kid - nope, hissy fit. We did have a semi-feral Three for a short time. Youngest rescue broke the mold.
I took some pictures of the boys to show how much they’ve grown. (Not easy to do because they’re either sleeping, eating or moving.) They’ve all grown.
They are getting used to the litter box and show interest in eating (except mom always beats them to the food, she definitely has food issues, who knows how long she was on her own before she came to us).
@Kyeh@lisaviolet Thanks so much for the videos and pics and letting us follow their development. They are sooooo cute. I feel kind of like grandparents…get to watch, but can give them back when something needs to be done. How’s the mom and does she care for the kittens, too? Care for the human mom, too.
@DTominator@Kyeh Natasha is doing well. I don’t know if it was because she didn’t eat much when we brought her in (remember, she was loose in the neighborhood and we’d never seen her before that day) or just hormones, but she had a voracious appetite followed by some pretty nasty smelling, colored poops.
But that seems to have gotten better at this point, where she’s not eating so much (she ate a case - 24 cans - of kitten food in less than a week!).
But she checks on them and cleans them and does the mom thing.
This was yesterday and you can see where the kittens are getting to big to all fit at the food bar at the same time (and their little teeth are coming in).
She’s a very affectionate kitten herself with an affinity for Temptations treats.
And I just meant to share a pic elsewhere but got carried away. Cause Kittens and so I always slightly feel like I’m highjacking. Especially if I were to post here in her thread. I’d like to see the whole journey if she has time. Ive never had a actual mom and births. I have had stray kittens but only one at a time. Not the full chaos of 4 functional kittens never mind she’s going to have 6. Although at least Natasha was adjusted ahead of time and I assume they are more handled but still. Kittens bounce off things.
I can create a thread for them and @ you it you want when I figure out names if you want more kitties.
I’d like to know what’s up with Natasha and kittens in here
It’s not that things haven’t been crazy around here (they have, but nothing of import, really) but I’ve been having a hard time staying focused on any one thing.
The kittens were allowed out of the bathroom earlier this week and have shown no interest whatsoever of leaving the room since. But Natasha has other ideas. She wants the kittens out. And although she can come and go as she pleases that’s not enough.
We started blocking off the house and the office, giving the kittens access to the bedroom and hallway. Mom can easily jump the barrier to the office (she’s way better than me, my toes keep catching on the wood going over and I’m afraid I’m gonna faceplant at some point).
Just one day I pulled the foam up (since the kittens were climbing to the top anyway) and opened the door, she’s been adamant we leave it that way.
But there’s Nooby, who is extremely territorial and I worry about him and the kittens. And the dog. The poor little dog who’s terrified of her (and rightly so). He sleeps in the bed and it’s not fair that the other, elderly cats don’t have the access to rooms they’ve had for years. So, we’re trying to deal with that. It’s not really an issue during the day, we have the office door to the patio and the living room door to the patio open (our house is U shaped) so the critters can get to most of the rooms. But not at night.
Wednesday night, I locked her in with the kittens, just had the lattice door latched. Last night, that wasn’t going to work for her (shoulda named her Karen). I’d take her out, she’d be okay for ten minutes, then cry to get back into the room. I’d put her in the room and latch the door. She’d be okay for ten minutes, then want out. Crying, scratching…after an hour of this I said “fuck it” and put her in the room and shut the actual bathroom door.
If she was unhappy, I was blissfully unaware at that point.
I’ll post some photos later. Now that the heat has subsided (I’m useless when it’s hot, I’m useless when the house is closed up, blinds pulled and the air conditioner is on) and there’s actual natural light in the house, I should be more energized.
But the kittens are growing nicely, they had their one month birthday a week ago. They’re eating and drinking and pottying in the big kitty litter box with clumping litter (I started them out in a smaller box with non-clumping litter). Mom isn’t spending nearly so much time with them, but she does lay in the hallway, close to the open door.
@cf1@lisaviolet I only kept them in a day or two but they were too big and mobile already so I let them have upstairs to go bonkers… 3 like me. Snickers did but is being weird. Mom hisses and then cries at me and then rubs up and starts to kneed the carpet when you give her chicken but makes no attempt to escape though she could. I think she’s confused.
@cf1@unksol Keep in mind, females can still come into heat when they’re nursing…
Nat is actually doing better now that she has room to stretch out. We’ll just have to deal with it. If I have to sleep on the sofa for the dog, I will.
He’s an old Shiztu and won’t harm the babies, but Natasha doesn’t know that. If it weren’t for the dog, I wouldn’t be being so cautious at this point. I’m not afeerd of the dog, I’m afeerd of what the cat would do to the dog.
@Kyeh@unksol Damn. It’s just amazing. I am so glad you’re letting them grow up with mom in the picture.
Over on FB, folks who haven’t been following the MCU kitten saga ask me questions I’ve already answered. Last night, someone asked about feeding mom, that maybe she needs a good supplemental food to take care of the kittens after seeing the photo of them partaking of her food bar in the bedroom. “They are so big!” she said.
Forget that I had posted how I spent over $100 on Royal Canin mama/kitten food that she wouldn’t eat (after eating the first cans I bought). And how Fancy Feast kitten food had her stool so huge, weird colored and nasty smelling that I actually put a call into the vet about it, not even considering it was the food.
@Kyeh@lisaviolet they had almost cleared the bowl. Lots of bare space. Refilled jus now they chow down. Every day. The wet/premium food people can get bent. If you have the time/money to feed them wet great. Some with medical issues even need it. But they should not get judgy. Some pretentious people feed them raw. Or cook for their dog. That’s fine if you have time
But you took in a random starving mom that probably someone kicked out or didnt care enough about. Shelters have hundreds of cats.
Unless they are actively doing tnr of a vet offering services/medical advice. They should mind their own damn business and enjoy pretty kitties
It wasn’t so much the “high quality” comment, it was the fact that it was even said. Yanno?
Like I’m not feeding her at all.
But I’d gone on at length in previous posts about what she was getting to eat and the problems I was having with her even eating it.
I wanted to shout back “yes, damn it, she IS getting supplemental food! Read my damned wall!”
BTW, I gave the kittens Fancy Feast kitten food yesterday morning, mom ate a fair amount and last night, she had another one of those big, stinky, obnoxious poops. We were on the patio, she pottied in the laundry room litter box and we could smell it outside.
I’ve been online since 1996. I’ve had cats my entire life. Granted, this was the first in house born litter, but we have taken in lactating moms and their kittens. Like what you’ve done, @Unksol.
This ain’t my first rodeo and it annoys the hell out of me when I’m given advice that I didn’t ask for.
@Kyeh@lisaviolet I opened the gate yesterday and today. They’ve. Well D’artagnan led Alex and Whatchamacallit down. Once. They seem to be more focused on the gate for some reason even though it’s open.
@Kyeh@unksol For the first time since kittens, one of the cats, the substantial Spot, a very big kitty, jumped over the barrier.
He came face to face with Wendy. This tiny, black, furry thing, all puffed up and sideways at him. He sniffed her, she hissed, he hissed, he turned around, ran and cleared the 18" foam barrier with inches to spare.
@lisaviolet@unksol Yeah, people have no business telling you how to do this - I just figured if they’re so set on “being helpful” they could pitch in some funds, haha. But I was being facetious; I don’t think they really would.
I wonder why the Fancy Feast has such stinky effects?
@Kyeh@lisaviolet@unksol Catching up on the conversation. The mom cats know when they have a good thing going and all of these felines seem very happy and satisfied. The proof is in the pictures and videos of their interactions with you. I think you are doing a great job of caring for all of them. I wouldn’t know or feel comfortable trying to manage all that you are doing.
That Fancy Feast problem sounds bad. Does mom have stomach discomfort before letting it all out?
She ate a huge moth the other day when she was on the patio. She left the wings.
When I lived in a house I used to see the back legs of lizards, headless crickets and grasshoppers and murdered toys roaches. They each had to learn, and it only took once, that roaches don’t taste good - always saw puke with roach in it when they were in learning mode. LOL not, (was gross to look at).