@kdemo, evidently you sadly, and completely misunderstood my comment, or you can’t grasp the meaning behind the ‘She Said’ concept. JSYK, I never insinuated that, ‘that’s what you said’, kdemo, but regardless, my apologies for being so vague(?) that I caused you to assume I did. My Bad!!
@kdemo, watt shoo talkin bout, Willis¿? Why, I was being as fn serious ass a hard attack! No, I was about to say, No,…but after lookin up the word ‘snarky’, I have to say, Yes! It’s quite hilarious @ times that when a person lobbs a few grenades of snarkiness @ me [which I luv Sarcasm] & I return the favor, they suddenly forget the, ‘if you don’t want no shit, don’t start none,’ rule & the, what comes around, Karma policy,…Now, I’m getting stumped, but again, that’s what she said… BTW, Mr kdemo, I’m 73 & by now, a Professional Grumpy ShitKicker, so, God, I hope you’re a dude, as opposed to a dudette, otherwise this whole encounter was for fn naught! LOL!!
In the 60’s, my boy scout backpack had an aluminum frame. It was light weight, but not without weight. It’s only purpose seem to be to provide an area below the pack for a sleeping bag. Seems that you could just as easily have ties that would attach without a frame. Of course when you took your pack off, it would stand up if the sleeping bag were attached, so that would be a plus.
@Kyser_Soze The frame is important as it transfers the load to the hip belt. The shoulder straps are just to keep the pack balanced: with a heavy pack, the weight is supposed to be on your hips, not your shoulders. For daypacks it doesn’t matter as much and they hang the weight from the shoulder straps, but lumbar packs (like daypacks but with a hip belt) are really nice.
Backpacking packs now tend to have internal frames instead of external ones, but the is still the same: the weight is borne by the hip belt. It is really far more comfortable that way.
@Kyser_Soze Hmm that is odd, I wonder if it was supposed to have a hip belt that was missing for some reason. I’m presuming that this was a full sized backpack (for carrying 20+ pounds, say). You do want a hip belt for that. If it was just a daypack, then fine, but in that case, I don’t understand why it had a frame.
I’m actually pretty excited about this. I’ve been making do with some wonky daypacks, including a promotional fake retro one from Sierra Club that closes up with buckles. Would you like to know the least effective and most annoying way to close a trail backpack? Buckles.
I got a 17" Yutan in Olive weeks ago. Very simple, very light, cool pack - I like it. I would call it more of a grab & go lightweight, convenience, pack vs. a real heavy duty, do anything pack, with 50 pockets.
Just got mine - LOVE IT. The avalanche Jenks: Comfortable, adjustable, balanced, ton of pockets, compact, Cool looking, padded. Right now loaded up with 15 pounds of flour to train for my Grand Canyon backpack trip in the fall. I think I can easily fit another two bags/10 pounds and still feel balanced and supported. And the SRP on the tag is $49. This was my first purchase with meh but I’m afraid I’m hooked