@DVDBZN So far, with no exceptions, its not been something I need badly enough to overcome the ‘no microsoft in the house’ prohibitions. Have to use said products at work, but not at home or for personal use. Standards to uphold and all that.
@duodec
Now, is Microsoft the only company that gets this treatment? What about Apple, Google, or any other large companies?
And how far are you willing to take this? Does this only account for Microsoft devices, or services and software as well? If so, you may end up without a considerable chunk of the Internet.
@DVDBZN Microsoft is unique in earning my long term enmity for their actions and practices. And products. Not to say the others are guiltless or perfect (I’m having more and more issues with Apple lately). I had to work with everything from MS and PC-DOS 1.x, Windows 1.03… to current at work. Been an unpaid beta tester for their utter crap release software for many many years (like so many others).
From the time Microsoft screwed Apple II users to the present, they have truly earned my derision and despite.
That doesn’t mean I won’t deal with people who use it (I’m here at Meh, which uses Microsoft Azure). There’s no accounting for taste. And for decades, microsoft products have become the no thought or decision required default. Doesn’t matter if its the best choice, doesn’t matter if it can really do a particular task well… it gets used without any consideration or comparison. Turn brain off and go default.
I’ve worked with companies that delayed putting in wikis and other services until it became possible to do under windows (before that it didn’t really exist to them). And then beat the crap out of their IT folks when the magical wiki (or other) didn’t work they way the ‘IT executive’ magazines said it would because it took MS a year or two (and a couple of releases and dozens of security hotfixes) to get to the point where it could.
The “there is no god but microsoft and unthinking automatic defaulting pointy heads shall be their prophet (and profit)” attitude that still persists today is why I won’t use it myself (outside of work where there is, you guessed it, ‘no thought and no choice’) and why we won’t allow it in the house.
Usually ASAP, unless it’s stupid/disempowering/insecure/closed/etc … anything that opaquely depends on the the cloud, including most IoT stuff and consumer stuff in general these days, falls into that category.
I voted at 2.0, but it really depends on the tech, and if I have the cash. I got an Apple Watch pretty early on, but for the life of me, I don’t get smart light bulbs. What’s so hard about flipping the light switch? (I mean, the color-changing ones are neat, I suppose, but enh.)
When I worked in Tech, we got a lot of pre-release stuff. Signed a lot of non-disclosure agreements. Had to figure how to integrate with our products. Now that I’m out of the business, I don’t care.
Depends entirely on the thing. Newness isn’t a large factor in the decision.
VR - immediately; iPhones - after the first price drop; Facebook - never; Apple Watch - probably never; Philips Hue lights - when they were cheap on meh last time; Amazon Echo - after a few years, when I got a raise. I almost skipped the Echo… really dislike invasive corporations. Then again, it effectively serves several roles that I wanted something to handle, with the voice control and having a passable speaker available.
Still not sure about these lights. It is nice to yell at Alexa to dim some lights to half brightness, or turn lights on or off a room over, so I’ll probably get more eventually.
I don’t buy electronics unless I “need” them. When I do need something, I buy the best (balance values of newest, best reviewed, best value) I can afford. Since I tend to keep electronics for a long time, when I buy I try to get a more advanced model so it will be relevant longer.
I said never, but I selected that with the product for sale in mind. Not interested in things that connect to other things just for the sake of connecting. If it can be done equally well with a timer, I don’t want it to have wifi/bluetooth/whatever else.
So I didn’t get Google Glass (or any of the knockoffs or similar products), but other than that…
When it doesn’t require use of a microsoft product to be useful.
@duodec
What about if it is a Microsoft product?
@DVDBZN So far, with no exceptions, its not been something I need badly enough to overcome the ‘no microsoft in the house’ prohibitions. Have to use said products at work, but not at home or for personal use. Standards to uphold and all that.
@duodec
Now, is Microsoft the only company that gets this treatment? What about Apple, Google, or any other large companies?
And how far are you willing to take this? Does this only account for Microsoft devices, or services and software as well? If so, you may end up without a considerable chunk of the Internet.
@DVDBZN at least wikipedia uses mysql
@DVDBZN Microsoft is unique in earning my long term enmity for their actions and practices. And products. Not to say the others are guiltless or perfect (I’m having more and more issues with Apple lately). I had to work with everything from MS and PC-DOS 1.x, Windows 1.03… to current at work. Been an unpaid beta tester for their utter crap release software for many many years (like so many others).
From the time Microsoft screwed Apple II users to the present, they have truly earned my derision and despite.
That doesn’t mean I won’t deal with people who use it (I’m here at Meh, which uses Microsoft Azure). There’s no accounting for taste. And for decades, microsoft products have become the no thought or decision required default. Doesn’t matter if its the best choice, doesn’t matter if it can really do a particular task well… it gets used without any consideration or comparison. Turn brain off and go default.
I’ve worked with companies that delayed putting in wikis and other services until it became possible to do under windows (before that it didn’t really exist to them). And then beat the crap out of their IT folks when the magical wiki (or other) didn’t work they way the ‘IT executive’ magazines said it would because it took MS a year or two (and a couple of releases and dozens of security hotfixes) to get to the point where it could.
The “there is no god but microsoft and unthinking automatic defaulting pointy heads shall be their prophet (and profit)” attitude that still persists today is why I won’t use it myself (outside of work where there is, you guessed it, ‘no thought and no choice’) and why we won’t allow it in the house.
It all depends on how much I’m willing for that item to fail, and how much I expect the new tech to fail…
Usually ASAP, unless it’s stupid/disempowering/insecure/closed/etc … anything that opaquely depends on the the cloud, including most IoT stuff and consumer stuff in general these days, falls into that category.
@awk What’s an example of a disempowering technology? I suspect quite a lot falls under that umbrella depending on your perspective.
When I can foresee legitimate return on my investment.
New entertainment or phone: early adopter. Otherwise: gen 2
When it’s no longer called new technology.
When its affordability*availability/dependance index reaches 1.0
I voted at 2.0, but it really depends on the tech, and if I have the cash. I got an Apple Watch pretty early on, but for the life of me, I don’t get smart light bulbs. What’s so hard about flipping the light switch? (I mean, the color-changing ones are neat, I suppose, but enh.)
@sanspoint I like the idea of lights slowly coming on so I wake up to light, but I’m not in a situation where u control the lightbulbs around me.
When I worked in Tech, we got a lot of pre-release stuff. Signed a lot of non-disclosure agreements. Had to figure how to integrate with our products. Now that I’m out of the business, I don’t care.
If I don’t need it, I won’t spend money on it.
Depends entirely on the thing. Newness isn’t a large factor in the decision.
VR - immediately; iPhones - after the first price drop; Facebook - never; Apple Watch - probably never; Philips Hue lights - when they were cheap on meh last time; Amazon Echo - after a few years, when I got a raise. I almost skipped the Echo… really dislike invasive corporations. Then again, it effectively serves several roles that I wanted something to handle, with the voice control and having a passable speaker available.
Still not sure about these lights. It is nice to yell at Alexa to dim some lights to half brightness, or turn lights on or off a room over, so I’ll probably get more eventually.
So many factors.
Do I have way too much crap?
How much to I want it?
How rich do I feel?
How awesome it is?
Does slickdeals have some amazing special deal?
Does it go all the way up to 11?
Usually way after release. Like years.
Or never.
IoT forget it. Except an Echo, with the mike off l, unless I want to pretend something or someone wants to have a conversation w me.
The echo is a pretty nice bt speaker. Totally overpriced for that tho.
I don’t buy electronics unless I “need” them. When I do need something, I buy the best (balance values of newest, best reviewed, best value) I can afford. Since I tend to keep electronics for a long time, when I buy I try to get a more advanced model so it will be relevant longer.
I said never, but I selected that with the product for sale in mind. Not interested in things that connect to other things just for the sake of connecting. If it can be done equally well with a timer, I don’t want it to have wifi/bluetooth/whatever else.
Bleeding edge is too late…