@Cerridwyn I don’t like carpet in my bread

@Cerridwyn @tidiness Carpet starts off pretty low.

@Cerridwyn @tidiness But carpet is very high in fiber.

@Cerridwyn How do they compare to shag bagels?

@Cerridwyn I much prefer my bagels to be “no carpet” rather than “low carpet”. I can tolerate some carpet if it is natural (jute, wool), but nylon, polyester, and acrylic are too hard to digest. I would also like the carpet fiber to be from undyed remnants rather than recycled flooring, as I’m allergic to dust mites. Maybe I’m just too picky.

@macromeh
hot pink or frosted?

@gertiestn Yesterday’s stuff fits that pretty well, but the Sola line consistently sells really well at the local grocery store.

@stinks And this time, for a lot more people than usual, it’s something that actually might be considered food.

@werehatrack Can’t tell if that’s better or worse.

@awk Or the more entertaining kind of fishnets?

@Vladiator Worse, they’re using erythritol which causes heart attacks and strokes. Huge study released on it a couple months ago.

@Telanis @Vladiator About that study. From Time magazine:

“Experts have taken issue with the fact that the dataset used for the analysis included only people over the age of 60, all of whom had preexisting cardiovascular diseases or qualified as high risk for developing them.”

“The bottom line? Like so many foods that are the focus of nutrition research, more research is needed before you purge your pantry.”

@Telanis @Trinityscrew @Vladiator And it was not a study of the effects of erythritol in any event, it was just an extracted observation from a data set generated from a study that happened to have that as a measured component. This is perhaps the least valid kind of observation there is. It’s merely showing a potentially interesting correlation, with no demonstration whatsoever that there is a mechanism of causation involved.

@Vladiator Please, it was a tiny study on people who already had serious cardiovascular issues and/or diabetes. The study has enough holes to drive a semi through it.

@hchavers I don’t know, has anybody spotted a Mediocritee truck backed up to the raw materials loading dock at LoveCorn?

@PooltoyWolf Hi, Nobody!

@werehatrack You didn’t see anything.

@sproinky Everyone is at risk from erythritol, based on that study. It increases clotting, and clots getting stuck causes strokes and heart attacks.

I don’t know that other sugar alcohols are necessarily implicated, though. Many of them have an extremely different structure.

@sproinky @Telanis Actually, that study established zero data points for causation. There was some correlation of a non-specific nature suggested, but there was no actual study of erythritol involved. It was just an extraction of a bit of data that suggested a correlation which proves absolutely not one damn thing. No mechanism has been demonstrated, and none is known. The panic over erythritol is not just premature, it’s foolish. Yes, there are plenty of people who have a well documented and unrelated adverse reaction to sugar alcohols, including erythritol. There has been nothing to establish a real causative linkage to anything else in what has been widely misreported about it.

@sproinky This was an entirely flawed study. There were less than 80 people and every single person was over 60 and had serious pre-existing cardiovascular disease and/or diabetes. Media hysteria contributed to all the false information out there. Follow the money. How many news outlets also run ads for sugar-laden soft drinks and cereals?

@Telanis @werehatrack it looks like it was specifically studied: https://newsroom.clevelandclinic.org/2023/02/27/cleveland-clinic-study-finds-common-artificial-sweetener-linked-to-higher-rates-of-heart-attack-and-stroke/

@Telanis @werehatrack it also concluded more research is needed which, given what it is suggesting, seems appropriate

@tonispinone from what I remember there were different datasets, one from US and one from EU equaling 4000 individuals studied: https://newsroom.clevelandclinic.org/2023/02/27/cleveland-clinic-study-finds-common-artificial-sweetener-linked-to-higher-rates-of-heart-attack-and-stroke/

So if you’re over 60 and at risk you probably shouldn’t eat it to be safe until further research is done. That being said it’s been approved by the FDA for years

@sproinky I found no mention of a large European study in that linked article. But it has this specific observation:

The study had several limitations, including that clinical observation studies demonstrate association and not causation.

Furthermore, the risk assessment in another study shows that the change in event probability was from “very small” to “small”.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36849732/

However since none of the information I could access gave the dosage levels that produced these numbers, a useful comparison to the risk potentially associated with any specific erythritol-sweetened product is impossible without additional data.

@werehatrack here’s the article I saw the mention of US and European datasets: https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/27/health/zero-calorie-sweetener-heart-attack-stroke-wellness/index.html

The last paragraph mentions the final part of the study that had healthy participants consume 30 grams of erythritol which heightened clotting risk for a couple days.

More research needs to be done I agree, but if you’re at risk of heart attack, stroke or have diabetes it doesn’t hurt to back off on consumption. Even if you’re not over 60 and unhealthy since ~25% of those studied did not fit in that group.

@Commonwealth109 Not to worry, the people who are already familiar with it are probably a sufficient pool of sales potential to dispose of the inventory involved. If you’re actually curious about it, you can pick up a single bag at a lot of grocery stores and give it a shot. My significant other ordered his favorite flavor from this, because it’s a pretty decent discount versus the normal price. And he likes it. I’m kind of neutral on it, I have other preferences for breakfast. Mmmmm. Bacon.

@ArmchairGamer Heh. My S.O. reported something similar.

@tru335
only the Erythritol can even be considered fake

stevia and monksfruit are plant based sweeteners

I actually keep monksfruit sweetener on the shelf instead of sugar.

@carl669 Hmm, I just had 1/2 cup of oatmeal (pre-cooked volume) for breakfast and I am quite satisfied.
Y(F)MMV

@macromeh you and your damn technicalities!

@macromeh Are you a mouse? That’s pretty good typing for a mouse.

@carl669 two thirds of a cup is ridiculous for fluffy cereals like cheerios etc, but it is a quite reasonable portion for granola or muesli you will mix with fruit & yogurt. Granola is much denser in nutrition and calories.

@TexterTusher

coming out ( pooping)

user name checks out…

@chienfou @TexterTusher I was thinking “texture tusher.”

@Kyeh @TexterTusher

@brasscupcakes You might want to read the discussions up-thread.

@brasscupcakes OBTW, the new packaging for Sola’s granola stuff appears to have the same ingredient list as these.

Remember, even distilled water has an LD50 rating.

@werehatrack thanks, I didn’t see the earlier hidden comments – but since they were hidden, I won’t delete mine. Given eating larger amounts of erythritol correlated with a larger risk of actual death, the level of potential hazard bears repeating.

@chienfou Not reliably. A lot of granola contains at least some cracked or rolled wheat, or “wheat berries” as the makers like to euphemize it.

@chienfou @werehatrack And oats, which are heavily cross-contaminated unless grown and processed to be gluten-free.

@Elwelll My favorite keto breakfast is bacon with scrambled eggs fried in the bacon grease.

@therealjrn making me wish I had tried it