Product: 6-Pack: Nature’s Craft Liver Cleanse Detox & Repair Formula (6-month supply)
Model: UPC-NCRAFT-LIVER-60CT(WC design) (DNE)
Condition: New
Promote stronger liver function with our unique detox pills enriched with Chanca Piedra, Berberine, Dandelion Root, Artichoke Leaf, and more for trusted liver care
Powered by Milk Thistle and antioxidants, our liver supplements help maintain normal liver function, while supporting digestion and immunity
Nourish and protect your liver daily with our herbal liver supplements designed to detox, cleanse, and support overall liver health
Natures Craft supplements are cruelty-free, non-GMO, and formulated in American GMP facilities, providing guilt-free, high-quality support
How to Use: As a dietary supplement, take two (2) veggie capsules once daily. For best results, take 20-30 min before a meal with an 8oz glass of water or as directed by your healthcare professional.
@actionPacked@Num1Zero@yakkoTDI I’m not a doctor but I think the strategy here is to direct attention to other organs and don’t let the liver become narcissistic. I mean come on, the liver can regenerate itself but kidneys or other organs cannot. Give me a break liver! You even get a meh all to yourself.
@accelerator@arysta@actionPacked@Num1Zero@yakkoTDI No, it’s definitely the liver that’s the primary issue, depending on your pattern of alcohol use &/or how much Tylenol/acetaminophen you take. NSAIDs like Advil/ibuprofen are the ones that primarily affect the kidneys (and stomach)–this article gives a good summary of what to avoid when mixing acetaminophen & alcohol:
@AaronLeeJohnson@haydesigner@pmarin The biggest problem with supplements is that they aren’t regulated, so there’s no guarantee that anything stated on the label is accurate–amounts, ingredients (including unhealthy stuff), even whether any of the main supplement you’re looking for is in there. All have been an issue in random sample testing in the past, so it’s best to take only supplements you actually need (preferably in consultation with your doctor) & stick with the major brands that have an established track record.
@AaronLeeJohnson@haydesigner@ircon96
There is some truth there but also a lot of things are established from thousands of years of culture/cuisine/medicine. Asian, Mediterranean, Nordic, it goes on. A lot of the old “witch doctor” stuff as some would call it actually now has scientific basis. And on the other hand I remember when 30 years ago my medical doctors told me to not eat salmon or avocado because it was high-fat and instead should buy non-fat products from the supermarket loaded with sodium and sugar to make up for the lack of salt. So I’ll take any medical advice with a “grain of salt.” Speaking of which, I generally avoid salty food (had to do) but I will gently use some high-quality salt when cooking.
TL;DR the DRs aren’t always right and either paid by Big Med or might be sued if they don’t dispense the medical misinfo of the time.
Will you people stop buying this crap so meh will stop selling it? You read the description. Even that dummy doesn’t buy into these placebos and they’re obviously not too bright since they work for Meh.
@Konoakapen that’s one of the reasons I only take 1 per day, and no longer use a separate zinc supplement. I’m not buying today because I still have like 3 bottles from last time they sold this.
If you are diabetic - especially if you are on insulin or metformin, have IBS, have gall bladder issues, or take anticoagulants, please be careful with milk thistle and dandelion root. Do your research. Talk to your doctor or a qualified herbal doctor (not the salesperson at the health food store). Herbs can do amazing things but they can also be even more dangerous than Rx meds: less oversight, less standardization of dosage and form, less consensus on safety…
Plus, your liver doesn’t need a scrubbing. It takes care of that without much tinkering from us (unless you’re a fifth a day tippler, you know who you are…).
Yes, it’s bullshit. If it did something really useful, “Big Pharma” would test the shit out of it, prove it’s better than a placebo, and market an FDA-approved version with a patent on it.
If the makers of the product even believed it did something, they would suggest what that was. For instance, some natural supplements have real effects - coltsfoot contains a chemical that can suppress coughs (but the refined OTC drug based on it works better). Ginseng is a fairly safe stimulant. Etc.
“Detox” is the “miracle wonder cure” of the modern world. The supplement industry is the “back of a salesman’s wagon” of the modern world. And what we used to call rubes, I mean customers, we… still call them that.
@craigthom@IAmBroom This product is the answer to “Who detoxes the detoxer?”
Total, complete, absolute, unadulterated bullshit. Oh and don’t forget to wash the pills down with alkaline water: “Studies in Japan prove its health benefits. Why aren’t there studies done in the US? Oh, that’s because they wouldn’t let us do them.”
@craigthom@IAmBroom The Mayo clinic has a database of all the credible research they can find on claims about supplements, “natural” and “alternative” “medicine”. Some actually do do something but as was said, pharma then usually figures out what the active ingredient(s) is/are, purify that/them, do the clinical trials figure out the optimal dose and actual effects, etc.
/showme Montana liver
Some people in Montana are really into this. What else do they do in Montana? Statistically, are their livers in better or worse shape than the rest of the country?
Hey! That was me! I’m that user/commenter & now I’m famous! I made a Meh write up after all! I can confirm that I am not a medical professional in any way, but also have continued taking these supplements & am still working towards a healthier me (-142# as of today!)
@tohar1 So, let me get this straight. You did everything the doctors say to do, which took A LOT of effort!!! - and also took some completely unproven pills.
And your health is improving! Just like we would expect if you did everything the doctors say to do.
And so, you want us to know the pills did… what exactly? I guess you proved they aren’t 100% lethal. Hooray!
@IAmBroom@tohar1 berberine is pretty well proven to work like metformin in boosting insulin. Lower your insulin levels and you will loose more weight. Or at least make it harder to put on weight. Whether there is enough berberine to make a difference is another matter. Probably helps a bit, but not going to be a miracle pill.
@IAmBroom Fatty liver disease is tied to insulin levels. Lower insulin by taking metformin or berberine to help lose weight and potentially reverse fatty liver disease.
I’ve never posted before but just wanted to say zinc oxide has very low absorption so you aren’t getting the benefits of zinc from it very much. They will make a great laxative if you are constipated . Who knows about the other stuff in there will do anything but it will detox you in terms of making you sit on the toilet until you have nothing left. I’ve been down the supplement rabbit hole lately and made a similar mistake with an immune supplement mix
I think the fact that this item was not a one-and-done speaks volumes to the non-gullibility of at least a healthy percentage of Meh’s market. I think it’s likely that we’ll be seeing them featured even more often as their stale date approaches, and then the poor hapless IRK buyers will be tasked with scattering them in landfills.
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Product: 6-Pack: Nature’s Craft Liver Cleanse Detox & Repair Formula (6-month supply)
Model: UPC-NCRAFT-LIVER-60CT(WC design) (DNE)
Condition: New
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Price Comparison
$119.34 (for 6) at Amazon
Warranty
90 days
Estimated Delivery
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/giphy liver
I take this with my whiskey and Tylenol
@Num1Zero That basically makes it even in my book.
@actionPacked @Num1Zero I thought Tylenol was a kidney killer?
@actionPacked @Num1Zero @yakkoTDI same difference
@actionPacked @Num1Zero @yakkoTDI I’m not a doctor but I think the strategy here is to direct attention to other organs and don’t let the liver become narcissistic. I mean come on, the liver can regenerate itself but kidneys or other organs cannot. Give me a break liver! You even get a meh all to yourself.
@accelerator @arysta @actionPacked @Num1Zero @yakkoTDI No, it’s definitely the liver that’s the primary issue, depending on your pattern of alcohol use &/or how much Tylenol/acetaminophen you take. NSAIDs like Advil/ibuprofen are the ones that primarily affect the kidneys (and stomach)–this article gives a good summary of what to avoid when mixing acetaminophen & alcohol:
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/is-acetaminophen-safe-to-take-when-youre-drinking
I watched a whole video talking about the racket that is the supplement market. Makes me wary to buy these things.
@AaronLeeJohnson now you have to watch a video about how watching videos is a whole racket.
@AaronLeeJohnson @haydesigner Or the 12 minutes of Big Pharma ads that show up on daytime TV (old people watching time) each hour.
@AaronLeeJohnson @haydesigner @pmarin The biggest problem with supplements is that they aren’t regulated, so there’s no guarantee that anything stated on the label is accurate–amounts, ingredients (including unhealthy stuff), even whether any of the main supplement you’re looking for is in there. All have been an issue in random sample testing in the past, so it’s best to take only supplements you actually need (preferably in consultation with your doctor) & stick with the major brands that have an established track record.
@AaronLeeJohnson @haydesigner @ircon96
There is some truth there but also a lot of things are established from thousands of years of culture/cuisine/medicine. Asian, Mediterranean, Nordic, it goes on. A lot of the old “witch doctor” stuff as some would call it actually now has scientific basis. And on the other hand I remember when 30 years ago my medical doctors told me to not eat salmon or avocado because it was high-fat and instead should buy non-fat products from the supermarket loaded with sodium and sugar to make up for the lack of salt. So I’ll take any medical advice with a “grain of salt.” Speaking of which, I generally avoid salty food (had to do) but I will gently use some high-quality salt when cooking.
TL;DR the DRs aren’t always right and either paid by Big Med or might be sued if they don’t dispense the medical misinfo of the time.
@pmarin Weird how you say “Science learns and improves!” in one breath, but then turn around and say “science advice sucks” in another.
@haydesigner I think aa more accurate translation is “Science learns and improves, but pharmaceutical marketers don’t do science.”
P.T. Barnum come back! All is forgiven!
@user21811747 what a sucker I am.
@user21811747 This way to see the egress!
Meh, the Hannibal picture is your finest work in months. Maybe years…
Liver? I hardly know 'er!
I like to keep my liver dirty.
@OnionSoup Thanks for keeping it flavourful. I will add that to your details page.
@OnionSoup @yakkoTDI It might go well cooked in the Onion Soup, though.
Will you people stop buying this crap so meh will stop selling it? You read the description. Even that dummy doesn’t buy into these placebos and they’re obviously not too bright since they work for Meh.
This is the kind of scams “AI” users love to fall for.
@DrunkCat How many cases did you buy? Is that why they left you?
The /showme command is a member feature. Join membership to try it out.
@mediocrebot
I’d be a little concerned about the zinc content.
30mg every day is quite a bit of zinc and yes it’s very possible to get too much, which can cause other health problems.
@Konoakapen Zinc prevent corrosion on my fence so it should be helpful in a wet environment like my liver.
@Konoakapen that’s one of the reasons I only take 1 per day, and no longer use a separate zinc supplement. I’m not buying today because I still have like 3 bottles from last time they sold this.
all I’m sayin’ is if you want to use these instead of salt on the rim…
@alacrity Three days in a row of salted rim jokes. Is that a record? We need a counter for that.
Snake oil.
@MarkML snake liver oil.
@MarkML @Zott
/showme snake liver oil
@MarkML Not even a mongoose can recommend snake oil.
If you are diabetic - especially if you are on insulin or metformin, have IBS, have gall bladder issues, or take anticoagulants, please be careful with milk thistle and dandelion root. Do your research. Talk to your doctor or a qualified herbal doctor (not the salesperson at the health food store). Herbs can do amazing things but they can also be even more dangerous than Rx meds: less oversight, less standardization of dosage and form, less consensus on safety…
Plus, your liver doesn’t need a scrubbing. It takes care of that without much tinkering from us (unless you’re a fifth a day tippler, you know who you are…).
@sarahsandroid what about a fifteenth a day? I bought these last time and take one a day because I drink a few vodka sodas. Not a fifth, but not zero.
I appreciate that heads up, @sarahsandroid!
What specific toxins are being removed? What methodology was used to measure them in the body before and after use?
Or is this bullshit, like every other “cleanse” and “detox” product?
@craigthom DING DING DING! WE HAVE A WINNER!
Yes, it’s bullshit. If it did something really useful, “Big Pharma” would test the shit out of it, prove it’s better than a placebo, and market an FDA-approved version with a patent on it.
If the makers of the product even believed it did something, they would suggest what that was. For instance, some natural supplements have real effects - coltsfoot contains a chemical that can suppress coughs (but the refined OTC drug based on it works better). Ginseng is a fairly safe stimulant. Etc.
“Detox” is the “miracle wonder cure” of the modern world. The supplement industry is the “back of a salesman’s wagon” of the modern world. And what we used to call rubes, I mean customers, we… still call them that.
@craigthom @IAmBroom This product is the answer to “Who detoxes the detoxer?”
Total, complete, absolute, unadulterated bullshit. Oh and don’t forget to wash the pills down with alkaline water: “Studies in Japan prove its health benefits. Why aren’t there studies done in the US? Oh, that’s because they wouldn’t let us do them.”
@craigthom @IAmBroom The Mayo clinic has a database of all the credible research they can find on claims about supplements, “natural” and “alternative” “medicine”. Some actually do do something but as was said, pharma then usually figures out what the active ingredient(s) is/are, purify that/them, do the clinical trials figure out the optimal dose and actual effects, etc.
First they sell us cases of wine, and then they sell us liver detox pills.
I see what they’re doing here.
/showme Montana liver
Some people in Montana are really into this. What else do they do in Montana? Statistically, are their livers in better or worse shape than the rest of the country?
/showme Montana liver
@yakkoTDI yours is a superior Montana liver
Hey! That was me!
I’m that user/commenter & now I’m famous! I made a Meh write up after all! I can confirm that I am not a medical professional in any way, but also have continued taking these supplements & am still working towards a healthier me (-142# as of today!)
@tohar1
Excellent! We need some inspiration.
@tohar1 So, let me get this straight. You did everything the doctors say to do, which took A LOT of effort!!! - and also took some completely unproven pills.
And your health is improving! Just like we would expect if you did everything the doctors say to do.
And so, you want us to know the pills did… what exactly? I guess you proved they aren’t 100% lethal. Hooray!
@IAmBroom @tohar1 And anecdotal “evidence” is not science-based evidence.
@tohar1 yeah but you followed the doctor’s orders. That’s what helped, not the snake oil.
Don’t know why others are trying to diminish you here, @tohar1, but I just want to say good on you and great work!
@IAmBroom @tohar1 berberine is pretty well proven to work like metformin in boosting insulin. Lower your insulin levels and you will loose more weight. Or at least make it harder to put on weight. Whether there is enough berberine to make a difference is another matter. Probably helps a bit, but not going to be a miracle pill.
@alose @IAmBroom @tohar1 Just a small correction: metformin doesn’t boost insulin. It boosts the uptake of the insulin your body is already making.
@alose That’s nice. A different subject, but nice.
We were actually discussing liver health.
@haydesigner @tohar1 We aren’t diminishing tohar1’s great work. In fact, I already applauded it.
We’re pointing out that it (probably, almost certainly) has nothing to do with this product.
@IAmBroom Fatty liver disease is tied to insulin levels. Lower insulin by taking metformin or berberine to help lose weight and potentially reverse fatty liver disease.
Damn it now I’m going to have to go out for liver and onions lunch!
I can see why they changed the packaging. These labels look like they were designed by the lowest bidder
@dpease gotta make them look like they aren’t a scam
I’ve never posted before but just wanted to say zinc oxide has very low absorption so you aren’t getting the benefits of zinc from it very much. They will make a great laxative if you are constipated
. Who knows about the other stuff in there will do anything but it will detox you in terms of making you sit on the toilet until you have nothing left. I’ve been down the supplement rabbit hole lately and made a similar mistake with an immune supplement mix
Agree with the snake oil finding.
I think the fact that this item was not a one-and-done speaks volumes to the non-gullibility of at least a healthy percentage of Meh’s market. I think it’s likely that we’ll be seeing them featured even more often as their stale date approaches, and then the poor hapless IRK buyers will be tasked with scattering them in landfills.
/showme a bottle of pills supporting a liver
/showme a bottle of pills holding a liver in its hands
These actually work!!
I’m amazed, I’ve just taken them for 2 days and already seeing improved health benefits.
I’ve had acne on my back for my whole life and the acne cleared up. This is amazing!
@user36534841 Glad you like 'em!