@atravis6 Each state has their own alcohol requirements (winery license) to import wine from another state sold directly to consumers (versus the ABC stores). Thus, each winery has to decide if they sell enough to justify the cost. Some states have cheap licenses, others are very expensive. Depends on how protectionist the state is with the winery lobby. It’s about jobs and states rights. Thank your Republican representatives that you voted for.
@Moose. In my experience, whenever people who don’t usually like a red wine like a wine, people who like red wines usually tend to not like those wines. That said, the other times it’s because it’s really good…hmm
Torn. The last time I bought wine from this crew (which was back at Woot) under a second label, it was pretty frickin’ awesome. So there’s some trust there. On the other hand, 6 bottles at $10 a pop for wine that’s a complete unknown…
@connorbush the one I got was a dessert wine from Glen Ellen (or somewhere thereabouts) I can’t remember what they called it but it was dia de los muertos themed, and while the initial bottle was decent, the bottle I opened after three or four years was phenomenal.
@novium The folks responsible for the wine at wine.woot back then are still at wine.woot. So you can’t assume that just because those wines were fine, these will be. On the other hand,
Okay… so here me out. How about you sell me the labels, and tell me what vineyard supplied the wine. I will then during my winter break drive the hour or two to the vineyard and buy a bottle. Slap a label on it and BAM!! Irk wine.
@YourLazyButt Follow him home, find out where he lives. Order a wifi camera the next time meh offers one. Install said camera so you can see people coming to your door. Order numerous items to be delivered via UPS. Hide in the shadows outside UPS man’s home while watching your camera via app. When you see jerk UPS delivery man at your door, break into his home and retrieve wine. Hope UPS man hasn’t also ordered wifi camera from meh…
@username You can submit a “vacation hold” to FedEx. Works pretty well; up to 14 days I believe. You may need to sign up for an account though (I have an account so I am not sure if the option is there because of that). Signing up is free - you just need to confirm your address. Hope this helps!
@Jamileigh17@hems79 Many thanks to our illustrious Governor Wolf. Lots of changes to the liquor laws have come about. Wine being sold in grocery stores, beer distributors can sell six-packs, growlers and singles, and the aforementioned shipping of wine into PA!
@craigthom it’s rice wine, isn’t it? Yes, it has a higher abv content and is different stuff.
I peeked at the laws, and Louisiana does have some limitations. Retailer shipping is permitted, and winery direct shipping of up to 12 cases per year of wines that are not carried by a Louisiana distributor is also allowed. But if Irk says no, then no it is.
@djslack Laws are written without regard for reasonable definitions, so sake could certainly be called wine legally, and people often call it “rice wine”, but in the real world wines are fermented fruit. Fermented grain is generally called beer. So sake is a rice beer.
It’s not an arbitrary line between fruit and grain, either. Fruit is full of sugar that’s ready to ferment as soon as the yeast hits the juice. Grains, like rice and barley require human intervention to convert starches to sugars before fermentation can start. With normal beer this is done by sprouting the grains to release enzymes that will convert the starches. With sake a special mold is applied to the wet grains to do the conversion. In both cases yeast is then used to convert the sugar into alcohol (although the sake yeast strain is obviously able to survive in much more alcohol).
Whether the law recognizes the difference or has it’s own category is up to lawmakers. Alcohol laws are crazy and often make no sense.
Umm wonder if people working on getting a “six pack” really meant this…Also, meh states but If visibly intoxicated upon delivery, you will not be allowed to receive the wine-- wonder if the delivery driver would then keep it “wink wink” saying recipient was too intixicated ? Inquiring minds want to know…
While I love that meh is selling alcohol, this seems kind of expensive. Is it really meh wine, or is it great? I don’t really drink wine though, so either way I hope you guys sell something else sometime soon. Or just cheaper wine.
Consumers in Ohio may receive up to 24 9-liter cases of wine per household per year, for personal consumption only, from wineries producing less than 250,000 gallons of wine annually. The wineries must obtain the appropriate permit in order to ship to Ohio.
@RedOak Again…seriously? My fuck was in jest…towards a state’s absurd wine import rules. Your fuck was towards a university and its football program…and as far as I know, the coaches, players, fans, etc. Then you went on to attack the academics of the institution itself…administrators, faculty, staff, students, etc. I just pointed out that you’re a bitter, angry, hateful little football fan who’s mad because they haven’t won a certain football game in nearly forever. AND then you had to throw more fuel on the fire by attacking the institution itself. Just like your whiny- (see what I did there) ass unprofessional, booger-eating football coach, suck it up buttercup and have a little class. You’re bitter and angry…and you’ve demonstrated that perfectly.
Label says produced and bottled by Abbey D’Or Cellars, in San Miguel, but Cellar Tracker’s never heard of them. This is the very first item meh has offered that I had an interest in, but dammit, even at ten bucks a bottle, I still want some kind of evidence that it’s not paint thinner. I’ll probably ask around tomorrow, and then it’ll be sold out.
@Shrdlu From Explorer’s Guide to Big Sur, Monterey Bay, and Gold Coast Wine Country (2005): Abbey d’Or Cellars 805-467-3248 4620 Hog Canyon Rd., San Miguel 93451 Winemaker Joe Farley named his facility for his family’s ancestral village in Ireland. From estate grapes grown in this secluded canyon, he produces highly regarded cabernet sauvignon, chardonnay, chenin blanc, late-harvest zinfandel, and pinot noir vintages. Tours and tastings by appointment only.
@SIMBM I can’t find anything about “Abbey d’Or Cellars”, but at that address Google finds “Castoro Cellars”. They sell a $24 Zin blend called “Zinfusion” that apparently has 90 points from Wine Enthusiast. Wouldn’t be surprised if this is overstock from that wine or perhaps grapes that didn’t make the grade for that label.
Someone tell the meh team that the website has been hacked…when I typed “meh.com”, it got redirected to “wine.woot.com”! It has to be a hack, because meh is the site with the cool stuff, and would never do something like this, would they?
I have to assume this is from the same peeps over on that other daily site that went to hell. Anyway, I’m in for a full case. Learned long ago that the stuff they have made is always a good deal, if not exceptional!!!
I suggest saving your wine money and spending it on a high quality box of wine (Big House Red, Black Box Cabernet Sauvignon, Monthaven Merlot) from your local supermarket, drugstore, or big box retailer. Seriously. http://www.fearlesscritic.com/wine/
@davecort sure if you’re just trying to get drunk… and I’ll enjoy a bota box old vine zin happily. But those are exceptions and can never reach great heights - it’s often easy to tell the cheap from the real. And it’s even possible to guess the price points of ‘good’ $$$ wines within a few dollars.
What I want to see is the $$$ winters get the box treatment
@mikejoe I’ll take the hard, scientific data of a true blind tasting over subjective wine snobbery every time.
“Let me show you how this is done. First thing, hold the glass up and examine the wine against the light. You’re looking for color and clarity. Just, get a sense of it. OK? Uhh, thick? Thin? Watery? Syrupy? OK? Alright. Now, tip it. What you’re doing here is checking for color density as it thins out towards the rim. Uhh, that’s gonna tell you how old it is, among other things. It’s usually more important with reds. OK? Now, stick your nose in it. Don’t be shy, really get your nose in there. Mmm… a little citrus… maybe some strawberry… [smacks lips]… passion fruit… [puts hand up to ear]… and, oh, there’s just like the faintest soupçon of like asparagus and just a flutter of a, like a, nutty Edam cheese…” http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0375063/quotes#qt0310207
@davecort colletors might as well stick to box wine, since they’ll never drink it. But the best wines I’ve ever had in my life have all been 10+ years old. Many of them I did not particularly favor or find distinct when they were young wines. Don’t spend $50 on a bottle of wine to drink tomorrow, sure, but it’s well worth it for a wine to drink 20 years from now.
@novium I’m not sure if I should say “congratulations” or “I’m sorry” that you have such an expensive wine palette. I’m grateful that I find inexpensive wine enjoyable and often better than more expensive options.
I just don’t drink that much wine, and I don’t think my brother does at all, so I feel like this would just take up space for years to come. I’d like to try it, but I don’t know who I’d split an order with.
@hems79@lowlypeon@Lighter Good to know! Only that was the only thing keeping me from dropping tons of cash on wine.woot. Not sure I’m up for 6 bottles of this, but will keep an eye out for future beverage deals. Thanks guys.
My alcoholic hand is shaking to buy but then I remember that I can just get wine at the store for this price. AND THEN I remember that this could come right to my front step and I don’t have to leave. I am torn
This isn’t a good choice for folks who don’t regularly drink red wine. Dry Zen is one of those reds that takes some practice. Of course, six bottles is a good start.
As for buying blind: it comes from an OK winery. The format for the offering is really familiar; “woot.” Since so many old woot folks are coming home to roost on meh I might guess who is handling this sale. But, right or wrong about that - the head meh guy has has shown decent wine judgment on his previous little web deal site.
Price? At a store ten bucks is at the top of the bumwine range and the bottom of the “yawn” wine range. BUT, if this is the same sort of deal as old woot vintages this is likely a better wine than most 10 buck chucks. The usual “fault” with woot labeled wines was that they were too young for drinking. A few years aging was helpful for many of them. This meh offer has some time on it already and is likely ready to drink right now.
Having typed all that out - I live in a no internet wine sale state.
@silverqueen Actually, caps are replacing corks on high-quality wines, these days, though most reds still use (synthetic) corks. That will not only make corkscrews obsolete, but also those wine shelves and coolers that store wine bottles on their side. Wine was stored sideways to keep the cork from drying out, which is not necessary with synthetic corks or screw tops.
Wonder why these particular states are out… I thought maybe KY because of bourbon, but TN has whiskey market, so that doesn’t make sense. You’ve got ultra-libs like DE, CT but also cons like AL, MS. No reason I can figure binds these together, but mine’s out, so I guess Meh today… sadly.
@carl669 It won’t be frozen. It has to under 20F for it to freeze and and it has to be that way for a WHILE. I live in VT, have been ordering wine online year round for a decade and haven’t ever had a shipment freeze yet. I would be concerned if you lived somewhere remote where it was going to be a high of 10F for days on end or if you knew it was going to sit in an unheated truck through a weekend.
@corrado by next week - MN is below 10degrees for a week and then not much more than 20 there after. If the wine came by next Monday and by air - I think it would be fine. I have received frozen wine many times in the mail over he years. The companies usually replace it. One didn’t.
@f00l Largely permitting, I think. I don’t Peter ever distributed into the state; even though our licensing is relatively cheap, we’re a small, rural market. I believe the original iteration of Wine.Woot took a more liberal approach to interpreting wine shipping laws versus Amazon’s very conservative approach. All I know is that without anything changing at a State level, a LOT of states suddenly went dark on wine.woot (but stayed lit on every on internet wine-buying site).
@PlacidPenguin I ordered a case and will be glad to send you the labels from any bottles that I open.
Odds are decent that this is drinkable now, though it might be much better after a year or three or more. (Tonight I opened a 2009 Zin that was quite a bit better than when I first got it about four years ago.)
Being a wine.wooter since Day 1 of launch (mmmm… Critters) and a ‘blind purchaser’ of every woot-badged wine until Amazon ruined that party coupled with meh’s track record of standing by what they sell, I would (and have) bet that this is a solid Zin. Wanted to go in for a case, but Christmas budgeting unfortunately limited to a single order.
@KNmeh7 well, before I commit to using someone else’s address I would like to check to see if it’s OK with them, and it seems silly to go to that trouble if it isn’t easy to accomplish… (which it evidently is) Thanks for the info. I will keep it in mind the next go around!
@Dengue If history is any judge, this is a stupid good deal and you’re probably paying about half of what the stuff would cost at the winery. If you like Zin, I’d wager this one’s well worth $10/bottle.
Just putting it out there — aside from being December-broke, I would have been far more likely to bite on this one if it had been three bottles each of two varietals or two bottles each of three varietals or even a vertical. Six of the same unknown is just a big ol’ risk.
I don’t drink much wine at all and haven’t really enjoyed the red wines I’ve tried, but if meh can figure out how to efficiently sell smaller quantities (three bottles?) and maybe sell some white wines, I’ll likely bite. I hope this sale is successful so we get more in the future.
@f00l Hard to say with the “Mystery” nature of the woot wine. In general, Peter’s wine will hold up for years. The I opened in '02 Syrah this past summer and it was still okay, but on the cusp of going off. The '06 Syrahs were still dynamite. Merlots & Cabs hold up pretty well, too, so I think you’ll do fine. Store them cool (in a cellar, if you’ve got one) and you’ll be fine.
No one makes wine the way some vineyards used to in France pre-1900, anymore do they? Where the bottle needed to lay for a century to be at prime, so the aristocrats used to stock their cellars for the great-grandchildren?
I can’t think of any wine (other than sparkling wines/Champagne) that really needed more than 10-20 years to age. After that, you have very expensive vinegar. For wine that stores longer, you make brandy. The high alcohol content makes it keep longer.
I have read that the way prime vintages were produced in the old days, the Lords and Ladies used to routinely purchase some bottles that would not be ready to drink during their own lifetimes. They also purchase “quick bottles” for normal use.
WWI blew apart much of continental royalty’s and aristocracy’s stability. During the 1900’s the great traditional family fortunes declined and there was essentially a much smaller market for those “age-forever” wines (the market had been tiny in the first place), so vineyards like the various Rothschilds adjusted their techniques to produce wines that were ready a few decades sooner.
Or so I’ve read. Which means I’m possibly full of shit.
@rockblossom Bordeaux is an obvious example of a region that still produces wine ‘for the future’ instead of the now. I bought some '05 Bordeaux for well under $100/bottle that wasn’t supposed to start being good until 2018.
Petite Sirah tends to be fickle, requiring several years to mellow, but shutting down for a decade or more in a ‘dumb’ period before emerging afterward as a magical wine. I have several bottles ('01, '02, and '03 vintages) that are lying in wait until about 2025 to see if that is, indeed, the case.
100 year wines though? Those sorts of things aren’t in my budget. Which is why I’m shopping on meh.
Showed up today. After I bought it I was getting nervous from the number of meh staffers saying “I don’t usually like red wine but I liked this”. I was afraid it was going to be sweet. (The first wine I liked was Sutter Home White Zinfandel. But it was 1982 and I was 19.)
My wife got a big kick out of the front label and read the entire back label out loud to me.
Cracked open the first bottle and poured some through an aerator. We both like it. After a few sips my wife said “I really like this.” So $10/bottle well-spent!
As I said earlier in the thread, I’m lucky in that I can tell decent wine from crap but not good wine from great wine. I never try to buy wine that has to lay down for years before drinking. So this is perfectly meh for me. Until I get sugar water or vinegar, it looks like meh wine is an automatic buy.
@PlacidPenguin Keeping with the bizarro theme, wouldn’t be more of a “Meh it on” sale? They’ve got all that wine that’s just eating up climate-controlled storage space. I’ll be disappointed if it doesn’t pass this way again.
So, I opened a bottle after it sat around for a week post transport and have to say it was on the “fruit forward” aka less dry side. Tasting blind I would have guessed it as Apothic. So, if wines in that style are your jam, then you’ll love this. Gift material around my house, though, which works out just fine. Hoping some of the old wine woot players make an appearance, since meh is happy to ship to GA.
I ordered this 6-pack on December 4th, wondering how Meh was planning to get it to me in Arkansas. Even though my state was not listed as one they could not ship to, I knew from past experience with Woot wine that it was unlikely. So I ponied up $60, more interested in the logistics than the product itself. Sure enough, ten days later, on December 14th, my order was canceled, and my money refunded. I had purchased a month of VMP with my order, so I was actually coming out ahead since I got to keep it. I’ve used the free shipping on two orders since in fact. So in my mind, I was already made whole by Meh.
Then today I heard my doorbell ring, and saw the FedEx guy hustling away as I opened the door. I wasn’t expecting a package, so I looked at the label and saw the WCC return address. Picking up the box confirmed it was too light to contain wine. I brought it inside and opened it to find a bunch of “mediocre wine accessories”, along with a nice apology from the Meh wine warehouse. I’d rather have the wine of course, but I will never need to buy another corkscrew, stopper, or pourer again for as long as I live. Thanks Meh.
@gruisinger Same here. Totally unexpected package on my porch. Before I panicked and called the bomb squad, I looked at the label. Meh Wine Warehouse. (Warehouse? You have a whole wa… ?) Sorry, getting off track there.
So, that’s a 6 wine glass holder in the back, tipped on its side. A nice wine bottle bag with 5 bottle openers, a foil cutter, and 8 wine bottle stoppers (2 of them purple!) Whew! I think I can set up a snazzy wine bar with this.
Thank You, Meh! That’s what I call a classy apology!
let me preface this by saying, i know nothing about wine.
i cracked a bottle of this on xmas night. the wine definitely seems fruit forward. it’s still good, but it’s sweeter than i typically like. so the question to all you som-meh-liers is, will this wine become drier as time passes? how much time?
@carl669 Paso wines are going to be fruit-forward which will give an illusion of sweetness. I was expecting a higher alcohol from a Zin; sometimes the increased alcohol will lead to perceived sweetness, too.
That said, even with the lower alcohol, I didn’t get the sense that this was under-attenuated (e.g. the yeast didn’t finish turning sugars into alcohol). I’ve had Castoro’s Zin before and really liked it (and it was $20+/bottle) and this fell a little more empty to me, but still a really good wine for $10.
There was a little edge to it that I expect will go away by next fall, but I wouldn’t necessarily expect the overall flavor profile to change significantly in the next 3 years. After that it will likely start getting “old” and the fruitiness will start to dissipate.