@brainmist@natasha_natasha@squishybrain@xobzoo I think the exit strategy of many without pensions (which would include 3/4 of the boomers too) is die before you run out of money. I’d suggest you youngsters (eg not already 60+ as it gets really expensive the old you get when you first buy a policy) buying a bunch of years of long term care insurance now while you can still pass medical underwriting and afford the premiums (they remain lower the younger you buy) as medicare doesn’t pay for either assisted living nor nursing home care and medicaid only pays for nursing home care - not to mention you can’t have more than $2000 in assets and income/mo which rules out all but the poorest of the poor.
@brainmist I would forgive being given a Mutagen if it turns me into something special… like, I dunno, Goat Man, with magic horns that glow when danger is near and a bullet-proof goatee… oooh and the ability to climb rocky mountain sides.
Actually, horns that glow when danger is near sounds a bad idea, might make hiding harder.
No ingredient list, I can’t even consider if it would be worth trying or not. I get nasty headaches with many of the artificial sweeteners that this product most likely will have. Even Amazon doesn’t list the ingredients, but points to the fact they are on the label but may be in a product photo.
Surprisingly cleanshort list, I think. I only see “crystalline glucose”(?) and sucralose for sweeteners.
And (strangely) “artificial blueberry flavor,” even though it already includes blueberry concentrate in the vitamins section.
It’s still not for me (I’m not trying to establish a dependence on caffeine), but the ingredients are not as scary as they could be.
@growyoungagain I was confused at what you were doing, because that’s the wrong brand.…
Then I realized you were probably making a pun on “nootropics” (since it looks like it should be pronounced the same).
@IndifferentDude booooo. Proprietary blend. Some of those ingredients are quite effective. Wished they had included taurine and creative for a little mood and energy boost +. All that said, can’t buy it. No idea how much of what you are taking and its source.
@IndifferentDude Thanks for providing this. Meh and Amazon being non transparent that the small bottle of liquid has 11grams of carbohydrates; basically sugar. Some folks here don’t want the Sucralose, which is far preferable to me than liquid sugar. That’s probably part of the “boost” magic but I’m insulin resistant and liquid carbs aren’t good for anyone.
Read up on the warnings for panax (Korean) ginseng first. There are a number of health conditions and medications it can interact with. L-carnitine may also be of concern if you take blood thinners or have hypothyroidism. Most everything else is reasonably benign, and might have beneficial effects, but there hasn’t been extensive scientific research on a few of the ingredients either.
@ciabelle The L-carnitine thing is interesting, but it’s a great example of why I don’t like webmd. They don’t source it, and they don’t explain it. There are actually a bunch of studies (that I just found when I Googled it looking for a source), that show that L-Carnitine might have positive affects on people with hypothyroidism. Specifically it seems like it may help with fatigue and specifically brain fog.
@Zelucifer That’s just the thing. Many of these supplements have not been thoroughly tested in a placebo controlled double-blind study with large enough samples to ascertain their benefits and risks. That requires a significant amount of time and money which is less likely to be spent on an herbal ingredient as opposed to a proprietary pharmaceutical.
Even with large scale testing, that frequently results in medications with much more serious side effects being overlooked. There’s also the very real possibility of graft and corruption causing poorly studied drugs getting FDA approval. That’s another story for another day though.
I qualified my post with “reasonably unbiased” for a reason. I do not claim that WebMD or any other source is infallible. As a rule though, I trust them way more than I would any claims made by a company promoting products which contain said ingredients.
@ciabelle@Zelucifer skip webmd, prefer examine.com, labadoor, consumerlabs, or NRt natmed (professional subscription). Other sites include things like self decode and Reddit but that’s more community research. I personally find examine to be best to start if I didn’t have a work provided subscription to natmed.
Why all the hate for Sucralose? I bought this, it tastes pretty crappy but I just drink it fast and chase it with some Rockstar anyway. In my limited testing (3 bottles so far) it seems to work and no crash etc after
@tightwad Recent research has pointed out that sucralose has cellular activity that is genetically hazardous. How severe this danger is has not been fully established as far as I can tell. Sucralose is not the only artificial sweetener with this activity issue. Acesulfame potassium also exhibits it. Oddly enough, for all that aspartame has a bad reputation with a lot of people for causing headaches, it does not share this current characteristic. For my part, I find that both stevia and monk fruit are either a waste of time or an affirmative down check as sweeteners. This doesn’t leave a lot of alternatives.