Rule #1 of keto: if a product has the word keto in it, don’t buy it. I lost over 100# in just under a year by eating a ketogenic diet, and never did or would I buy crap like this ):
@Bigbearballs
“don’t waste your money it does not work”
“Bad flavor! No appetite suppression”
“this doesn’t taste at all remotely similar to coffee. if I was blindfolded and had to drink it, coffee would not be one of my guesses. it’s terrible.”
I just had a few minutes of laughs reading the reviews.
@blaineg@fondaporn@RogerWilco@unksol Maybe a sidewinder wrench (I actually have one). Unless it’s bigger than say 6". Then perhaps a sidewinder missile.
/giphy sidewinder missile
Representations regarding the efficacy and safety of Lean Joe Bean have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. The FDA only evaluates foods and drugs, not supplements like these products. These products are not intended to diagnose, prevent, treat, or cure any disease. It is recommended that users follow a strict diet and exercise regimen to achieve weight loss
The only thing going for it is that it’s being sold be Meh and Amazon and not a pyramid scheme. Save your money for the next time Meh has a coffee grinder or a coffee maker.
@jayrandom A “C” at fakespot ain’t bad. The reviews at Amazon as a whole look not too fake. The concept of “juicing up” your coffee is a little weird. Why not just put the stuff in a capsule something that InterHealth Nutraceuticals Swiss parent Lonza specializes in?
I don’t actually know how much vegetables it wants me to eat, but it basically says if you’re hungry, eat veggies, which I would need to eat a lot of to not be hungry.
@katylava One philosophy would suggest that if a bowl of carrots doesn’t seem as appealing as a Snicker’s Bar you’re not really hungry.
Vegetable can be quite satisfying - but there’s so much more to this than simply shoving food into your mouth to a specific caloric load.
Does every meal you eat include protein? Are the carbs you’re choosing “slow” (like oatmeal) of “fast” (like potato chips)? Are you getting a lot of fiber? (a question usually not required if you’re getting your veggie on) Are you drinking lots of water?
Timing is equally important - breakfast is critical, and where most of us skip protein in favor of garbage carbs.
I don’t know if Noom has any intelligence like this built in - but if it doesn’t I’d just delete it.
@Pufferfishy I think noom does encourage you to eat healthy. But, I installed it in the first place because it said it wasn’t about losing weigh fast, and I deleted it when it said I should stick to 1200 calories a day. That’s a goal for fast weight loss, and not something I’ve found to be sustainable.
@katylava lol - yeah, potatoes can actually be really healthy, my problem is a personal philosophy that they’re merely a vehicle for salt, butter, and cheese (and bacon!).
But a touch of butter isn’t a bad thing - spring for the good stuff like Kerrigold or some ghee - at least you get some goods fats along with the flavor.
Asparagus can be great if you like it (I cook in a large pan in EVOO, blazing hot (almost to scorch them) and finish with slivered almonds and a squeeze of lemon.
I also like roasted brussel sprouts - lots of recipes out there (I toss them in EVOO and powdered ranch dressing) - but, disclaimer, they make your house smell like farts for 2 days.
Carrots in a touch of butter and brown sugar (or real maple syrup - not the Aunt Jemima HFCS garbage) are super tasty and will at least offer a minor nod to your sweet-tooth.
I mostly do “extravagant salads” - always including some nuts (pecans and cashews - whatever is on sale), some fats (via avocado or feta cheese), and fruit (grapes, mandarin oranges, pears, etc) - I find if I toss enough crap in there I don’t need a ton of dressing to give it flavor / make it something I really enjoy.
And it’s wise to look for something sustainable - if you hate it, you’re not going to stick with it. And “fast” is usually synonymous with “temporary”.
@Pufferfishy i take vitamins and fiber supplements and eat other high-fiber foods. because i hate cooking. and i hate cutting vegetables. i will buy veggies with great intentions, but i’m very rarely able to make myself do the work to prepare them.
I don’t understand why you guys would sell crap like this.
You know it’s bullshit but hawk it anyway?
When you buy merchandise, do you have to buy entire lots to get a deal?
Like, some warehouse will give you an amazing deal on speaker docks but only if you take the pallet full of absolute garbage?
That’s the only explanation I can think of for why you’d even acquire products like this. That or your purchaser needs to be replaced.
And, not only are these things always snake-oil, but they’re almost always hazardous to one’s health as well.
they’re almost always hazardous to one’s health as well.
I feel like this statement needs some support.
I have not intention of ordering this coffee, but if I were in the right mindset I might buy it for fun as a novelty. This would have to be some pretty horrendous stuff to jeopardize one’s health with twenty four doses.
@Limewater Fine, amend it to “potentially hazardous”.
But, if you google about the safety of any of these kinds of products, you’ll find that actual health experts (as opposed to snake-oil hawking quacks like Mr. Oz) universally caution against their use.
The Food and Drug Administration considers it unsafe. In 2017, the FDA
warned everyone to stop using a weight-loss product that contained
garcinia cambogia because some people taking it got serious liver
problems.
These products never have real evidence that they work, but there’s always real evidence that they have the potential to cause harm.
@DennisG2014 That link says that “several” companies have sold things with “potentially harmful” ingredients. “Several.”
I’m not a fan of these kinds of products. I don’t use them and I don’t recommend them to others. I think they’re “bad.” Honestly, I even avoid artificial sweeteners both due to taste and health concerns. But to say they’re “almost always ‘potentially hazardous’” seems just as over-the-top as the claims these products are making.
EDIT: While I was typing the above you updated your post to add the second link that specifically addressed garcinia cambogia. I can’t argue with that, and I appreciate you taking the time to find it. Thanks!
Though I would still argue that there is not always real evidence that these products cause harm. Looks like there is in this case, though.
This is not a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
The notion that one can drink something that will “flush toxins” from the body is pure fiction.
Using laxatives for weight loss is dangerous.
There are not good, effective products of this type being lumped in with the bad.
They are ALL bad, regardless of whether some may not have been definitively proven to cause harm.
No one should be consuming this kind of snake-oil and no one should be selling it.
@DennisG2014 And I said they are bad. Actually, I do think some of them have their uses, but these are extremely limited cases that nobody on this board is likely to encounter. I know I don’t.
My only issue was with the claim that they “are almost always hazardous to one’s health.”
shame on you for selling these. a lot of people with eating disorders or those in recovery are struggling right now. even for those without, products like these can be straight up harmful. throw these in the incinerator where they belong.
@jerk_nugget Marijuana smoke causes lung damage. It also impairs driving and I am not aware of effective roadside testing for it. Maybe something been developed in the last few years.
Alcoholism is a major problem for lots of people, and drunk driving causes lots of deaths and serious injuries.
These diet products are a bad idea, sure. I don’t see the distinction here between them and marijuana or alcohol.
@Limewater then i guess you didn’t care to read my answer to the question you asked me.
thc doesn’t have to be smoked, and thc and cbd have benefited many, many people including those with chronic pain, debilitating illnesses such as MS, those with anxiety, and those undergoing chemo to name a few. (and allow me to preemptively clarify that i’m not saying it is beneficial to everyone in those categories.)
alcohol can be enjoyed by casual drinkers and hobbyists as well as an ingredient in many cuisines enjoyed worldwide.
thus, to reiterate my original reply, both are capable of redeeming qualities whereas weightloss teas, shakes, coffees, pills, etc have none and therein lies the difference.
@jerk_nugget I did read your reply. I think my previous post was not clear enough.
You call out meh on behalf of people suffering and recovering from eating disorders, but seem to have little sympathy for recovering alcoholics or those recovering from other substance addictions.
And, believe it or not, some people do get amusement from trying out questionable weight-loss products. I don’t want to try to guess the number of people to live-blogged their “cleanses” just to give themselves something to write about.
@Limewater people post about these types of “wellness” products to promote them. but regardless of any amusement derived from doing so, the fact remains they are specifically designed to be harmful to a person’s body and mind. if a person buys these to get a laugh that doesn’t change that. anything sold anywhere can be used in some way to cause harm, and could be a potential trigger for someone struggling with addiction, trauma/ptsd, etc. but i’m asking meh to consider intent and inherent value is all.
further, i am both sympathetic and empathetic to all suffering from the disease of addiction and actively educate myself about harm reduction, overdose prevention, local laws, support hotlines, etc and share this information with others and encourage all who are able to do the same.
people post about these types of “wellness” products to promote them.
We must read different stuff. When I wrote that I was thinking about the John Hargrave article where he ate Olestra products to see how long it took him to develop “anal leakage,” including posting daily pictures of his underwear.
He definitely wasn’t promoting Olestra. It was a comedy article, and the others I was thinking of were the same.
I bought this just to try making that whipped coffee everyone keeps posting about. I know I’ll hate it and it will sit in my cupboard for a couple years… but hey, what else am i going to spend 20 bucks on?
Now if you are looking for “interesting” coffee, check out Kopi luwak Coffee. Seriously, it is
“. . . the world’s most expensive coffee, and it’s made from poop. Or rather, it’s made from coffee beans that are partially digested and then pooped out by the civet, a catlike creature. A cup of kopi luwak, as it’s known, can sell for as much as $80 in the United States.”
Now THIS is a viral pandemic just waiting to happen!
@BuddTX Hey, they roast the poop, I mean beans, first. Dark, medium, or light roast, the last being my personal fave for max enjoyment of kopi luwak. Gives whole new meaning to eating shit.
Specs
What’s in the Box?
Price Comparison
$39.95 at Amazon
Warranty
30 Days Manufacturer
Estimated Delivery
Friday, Aug 12 - Wednesday, Aug 17
Gross.
Oh so this will REALLY make you shit, huh?
501% of my daily value of chromium? This isn’t going to turn my skin weird colors or anything, is it?
@lljk Think 1957 Cadillac bumper.
@lljk good news is, with that much chromium you can become your own web browser. Friends and family will view porn on you.
@lljk maybe I shouldn’t have said “good” news there.
@lljk My water filter is supposed to remove that. Why? https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Chromium-HealthProfessional/
Coffee: Now With More Danger!
I live by two rules: never buy pre-ground coffee and never trust a man in a tunic. Neither has steered me wrong.
@canneddirt It’s WORSE than pre-ground. It’s INSTANT. Like Taster’s Choice. Ewwww.
Wait… you mean I can drink coffee AND lose weight?
@notrobocop yes. Assuming you don’t add a cup of sugar and a cup of milk into your cup of coffee…
Even keto coffee can’t overpower that.
Nonsense
Add some crushed up vitamin C and it’s a good black and white negative developer, but I wouldn’t drink instant coffee.
@dotyj LOL!
Rule #1 of keto: if a product has the word keto in it, don’t buy it. I lost over 100# in just under a year by eating a ketogenic diet, and never did or would I buy crap like this ):
@atravis6 you mad?
@Bigbearballs you dumb?
@Bigbearballs @Telanis you moustachioed?
@Telanis a little
@atravis6 And if they tell you it’s “delicious” on the package, it isn’t.
@rockblossom Exactly
I couldn’t find a negative thing on Amazon about this stuff.
@Bigbearballs lack of reddit threads as well fwiw
@Bigbearballs
“don’t waste your money it does not work”
“Bad flavor! No appetite suppression”
“this doesn’t taste at all remotely similar to coffee. if I was blindfolded and had to drink it, coffee would not be one of my guesses. it’s terrible.”
I just had a few minutes of laughs reading the reviews.
Wait a second. Aren’t coffee beans inherently keto?
@Alderuen yes. Just gotta not add in non-keto flavorings like sugar and milk.
I guess if it doesn’t work, you can re-chrome your bumper with it…
Chromium is good for you, especially hexavalent chromium. Drink up!
@robson
“Pedaling”::“peddling” in the write up… that is all
@2palms Not sure - “pedaling … in sensationalism” has a certain, um, feel/imagery to it …
@stolicat snortlaugh Fair. Fair!
My favorite of the product’s “science” claims is that it is “Clinically Studied!”
Um, most prospective “solutions” that are “studied” are proven to have no actual benefit. STUDIED?? That’s the best they could come up with?
Coffee Snake Oil - Now with more clinical observationing but just as little actual benefit as ever!
@fondaporn like a book that’s been “critically reviewed”. Yeah. And …?
@fondaporn now if it was marketed as coffee flavored snake oil I’d be intrigued.
@fondaporn @RogerWilco Snake oil really works. When’s the last time you heard a squeaky snake?
@fondaporn Great point. I studied my ass off in college and it don’t mean nothing.
@fondaporn Good old Will Shakespeare had, as usual, a few words to say on this. From Henry IV, part 1:
Glendower: I can call the spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come, when you do call for them?
@fondaporn @mehcuda67 @RogerWilco
No squeak, but I’ve got one here with a nasty rattle. What would you recommend?
@blaineg @fondaporn @mehcuda67 @RogerWilco adderoil
@blaineg @fondaporn @mehcuda67 @RogerWilco a quick sharp blow to the head. Preferably the decapitating kind.
@blaineg @fondaporn @RogerWilco @unksol Maybe a sidewinder wrench (I actually have one). Unless it’s bigger than say 6". Then perhaps a sidewinder missile.
/giphy sidewinder missile
@blaineg @fondaporn @RogerWilco @unksol OK, that’s not a sidewinder missile, but it is a cool image.
/giphy jumbled-tawny-wire
$18 for 72 grams - that’s $113 per pound. For that money I’d expect it to come with a personal trainer.
@JohnMorris Is this price set by the same people that sell pearls here?
@JohnMorris I’d rather have something else priced by the gram.
Representations regarding the efficacy and safety of Lean Joe Bean have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. The FDA only evaluates foods and drugs, not supplements like these products. These products are not intended to diagnose, prevent, treat, or cure any disease. It is recommended that users follow a strict diet and exercise regimen to achieve weight loss
Gross
@Mehcromancer You must mean “Double Gross”
@hchavers @Mehcromancer It’s 72 grams, so that is actually half of a gross.
Meh warehouse is running with essential staff to help customers stay at home during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Apparently, the acquisition department has been deemed unessential today.
@scottvs They’re trying to kill customers so they have fewer orders to fulfill next month
future irk bag, now with chromium!
When this gets down to the price of regular instant coffee I’ll give it a try.
The fakespot analysis is not outstanding: https://www.fakespot.com/product/lean-joe-bean-drink-more-eat-less-delicious-dark-roast-arabica-weight-loss-instant-coffee-1-box-of-24-packets
The only thing going for it is that it’s being sold be Meh and Amazon and not a pyramid scheme. Save your money for the next time Meh has a coffee grinder or a coffee maker.
@jayrandom A “C” at fakespot ain’t bad. The reviews at Amazon as a whole look not too fake. The concept of “juicing up” your coffee is a little weird. Why not just put the stuff in a capsule something that InterHealth Nutraceuticals Swiss parent Lonza specializes in?
There is only one Jolene.
I’m sad meh would sell this
Shouldn’t this be sold in a two-pack with Poo-pouri?
@blaineg
@blaineg @Felyne and the charcoal toothpaste…
It’s, uh, spelled “pu pu platter”… unless that was a joke?
@harveydanger pretty sure he was saying it’s gonna make you a shit your brains out.
Noom is a diet app that says it’s not a diet app and insists I eat only 1200 calories a day and 5 gallons of vegetables.
I don’t actually know how much vegetables it wants me to eat, but it basically says if you’re hungry, eat veggies, which I would need to eat a lot of to not be hungry.
@katylava One philosophy would suggest that if a bowl of carrots doesn’t seem as appealing as a Snicker’s Bar you’re not really hungry.
Vegetable can be quite satisfying - but there’s so much more to this than simply shoving food into your mouth to a specific caloric load.
Does every meal you eat include protein? Are the carbs you’re choosing “slow” (like oatmeal) of “fast” (like potato chips)? Are you getting a lot of fiber? (a question usually not required if you’re getting your veggie on) Are you drinking lots of water?
Timing is equally important - breakfast is critical, and where most of us skip protein in favor of garbage carbs.
I don’t know if Noom has any intelligence like this built in - but if it doesn’t I’d just delete it.
Good luck - hope you find some “joy” in veggies.
@Pufferfishy I think noom does encourage you to eat healthy. But, I installed it in the first place because it said it wasn’t about losing weigh fast, and I deleted it when it said I should stick to 1200 calories a day. That’s a goal for fast weight loss, and not something I’ve found to be sustainable.
@Pufferfishy and sadly I find no joy in veggies without overindulging in butter, cheese, or ranch dressing along with them.
@katylava lol - yeah, potatoes can actually be really healthy, my problem is a personal philosophy that they’re merely a vehicle for salt, butter, and cheese (and bacon!).
But a touch of butter isn’t a bad thing - spring for the good stuff like Kerrigold or some ghee - at least you get some goods fats along with the flavor.
Asparagus can be great if you like it (I cook in a large pan in EVOO, blazing hot (almost to scorch them) and finish with slivered almonds and a squeeze of lemon.
I also like roasted brussel sprouts - lots of recipes out there (I toss them in EVOO and powdered ranch dressing) - but, disclaimer, they make your house smell like farts for 2 days.
Carrots in a touch of butter and brown sugar (or real maple syrup - not the Aunt Jemima HFCS garbage) are super tasty and will at least offer a minor nod to your sweet-tooth.
I mostly do “extravagant salads” - always including some nuts (pecans and cashews - whatever is on sale), some fats (via avocado or feta cheese), and fruit (grapes, mandarin oranges, pears, etc) - I find if I toss enough crap in there I don’t need a ton of dressing to give it flavor / make it something I really enjoy.
And it’s wise to look for something sustainable - if you hate it, you’re not going to stick with it. And “fast” is usually synonymous with “temporary”.
@Pufferfishy i take vitamins and fiber supplements and eat other high-fiber foods. because i hate cooking. and i hate cutting vegetables. i will buy veggies with great intentions, but i’m very rarely able to make myself do the work to prepare them.
@katylava Ah -
Have anything to gain weight? In the right places, of course.
@Felyne Workout more
@mlass Hiking all the time, protein, carbs. Was 98 lbs in high school, 5’7", very athletic. Just can’t gain.
@Felyne @mlass GOMAD. You will gain weight on GOMAD.
Are you trying to get fat, or do you have other goals?
@Felyne penis growth coffee? Now THERE’S a product that would sell!
@Limewater @mlass Just gain a little, milk is my #1 allergen. Sigh.
A meh response would be “Stop eating so F****** Much”
@mlass cheaper too
Not only does it have Super CitriMax - it’s fortified with Quackamine and 100% pure Chelated Mongolian Bullshit!
Isn’t regular delicious brewed coffee somewhat dietetic and appetite suppressive? It works for me!
Man if coffee didn’t make you go the bathroom before, now your really gonna have a need for hoarding all the TP.
I don’t understand why you guys would sell crap like this.
You know it’s bullshit but hawk it anyway?
When you buy merchandise, do you have to buy entire lots to get a deal?
Like, some warehouse will give you an amazing deal on speaker docks but only if you take the pallet full of absolute garbage?
That’s the only explanation I can think of for why you’d even acquire products like this. That or your purchaser needs to be replaced.
And, not only are these things always snake-oil, but they’re almost always hazardous to one’s health as well.
@DennisG2014
I feel like this statement needs some support.
I have not intention of ordering this coffee, but if I were in the right mindset I might buy it for fun as a novelty. This would have to be some pretty horrendous stuff to jeopardize one’s health with twenty four doses.
@Limewater Fine, amend it to “potentially hazardous”.
But, if you google about the safety of any of these kinds of products, you’ll find that actual health experts (as opposed to snake-oil hawking quacks like Mr. Oz) universally caution against their use.
https://www.nccih.nih.gov/health/detoxes-and-cleanses-what-you-need-to-know
edit:
https://www.webmd.com/vitamins-and-supplements/garcinia-cambogia-weight-loss
These products never have real evidence that they work, but there’s always real evidence that they have the potential to cause harm.
@DennisG2014 That link says that “several” companies have sold things with “potentially harmful” ingredients. “Several.”
I’m not a fan of these kinds of products. I don’t use them and I don’t recommend them to others. I think they’re “bad.” Honestly, I even avoid artificial sweeteners both due to taste and health concerns. But to say they’re “almost always ‘potentially hazardous’” seems just as over-the-top as the claims these products are making.
EDIT: While I was typing the above you updated your post to add the second link that specifically addressed garcinia cambogia. I can’t argue with that, and I appreciate you taking the time to find it. Thanks!
Though I would still argue that there is not always real evidence that these products cause harm. Looks like there is in this case, though.
This is not a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
The notion that one can drink something that will “flush toxins” from the body is pure fiction.
Using laxatives for weight loss is dangerous.
There are not good, effective products of this type being lumped in with the bad.
They are ALL bad, regardless of whether some may not have been definitively proven to cause harm.
No one should be consuming this kind of snake-oil and no one should be selling it.
@DennisG2014 And I said they are bad. Actually, I do think some of them have their uses, but these are extremely limited cases that nobody on this board is likely to encounter. I know I don’t.
My only issue was with the claim that they “are almost always hazardous to one’s health.”
shame on you for selling these. a lot of people with eating disorders or those in recovery are struggling right now. even for those without, products like these can be straight up harmful. throw these in the incinerator where they belong.
@jerk_nugget Did you post the same thing when they sold oversized pilsner glasses or celebrated 4/20?
@Limewater no, because pilsner glasses and 4/20 aren’t inherently harmful. weightloss drinks and pills are, and are good for literally no one.
@jerk_nugget Marijuana smoke causes lung damage. It also impairs driving and I am not aware of effective roadside testing for it. Maybe something been developed in the last few years.
Alcoholism is a major problem for lots of people, and drunk driving causes lots of deaths and serious injuries.
These diet products are a bad idea, sure. I don’t see the distinction here between them and marijuana or alcohol.
@Limewater then i guess you didn’t care to read my answer to the question you asked me.
thc doesn’t have to be smoked, and thc and cbd have benefited many, many people including those with chronic pain, debilitating illnesses such as MS, those with anxiety, and those undergoing chemo to name a few. (and allow me to preemptively clarify that i’m not saying it is beneficial to everyone in those categories.)
alcohol can be enjoyed by casual drinkers and hobbyists as well as an ingredient in many cuisines enjoyed worldwide.
thus, to reiterate my original reply, both are capable of redeeming qualities whereas weightloss teas, shakes, coffees, pills, etc have none and therein lies the difference.
@jerk_nugget I did read your reply. I think my previous post was not clear enough.
You call out meh on behalf of people suffering and recovering from eating disorders, but seem to have little sympathy for recovering alcoholics or those recovering from other substance addictions.
And, believe it or not, some people do get amusement from trying out questionable weight-loss products. I don’t want to try to guess the number of people to live-blogged their “cleanses” just to give themselves something to write about.
@Limewater people post about these types of “wellness” products to promote them. but regardless of any amusement derived from doing so, the fact remains they are specifically designed to be harmful to a person’s body and mind. if a person buys these to get a laugh that doesn’t change that. anything sold anywhere can be used in some way to cause harm, and could be a potential trigger for someone struggling with addiction, trauma/ptsd, etc. but i’m asking meh to consider intent and inherent value is all.
further, i am both sympathetic and empathetic to all suffering from the disease of addiction and actively educate myself about harm reduction, overdose prevention, local laws, support hotlines, etc and share this information with others and encourage all who are able to do the same.
@jerk_nugget
We must read different stuff. When I wrote that I was thinking about the John Hargrave article where he ate Olestra products to see how long it took him to develop “anal leakage,” including posting daily pictures of his underwear.
He definitely wasn’t promoting Olestra. It was a comedy article, and the others I was thinking of were the same.
I bought this just to try making that whipped coffee everyone keeps posting about. I know I’ll hate it and it will sit in my cupboard for a couple years… but hey, what else am i going to spend 20 bucks on?
I mean, I expect the stuff on Meh to be meh, but this is more yeuuugh.
Save time. Use it as an enema. Blow up the bowl.
Now if you are looking for “interesting” coffee, check out Kopi luwak Coffee. Seriously, it is
“. . . the world’s most expensive coffee, and it’s made from poop. Or rather, it’s made from coffee beans that are partially digested and then pooped out by the civet, a catlike creature. A cup of kopi luwak, as it’s known, can sell for as much as $80 in the United States.”
Now THIS is a viral pandemic just waiting to happen!
@BuddTX Hey, they roast the poop, I mean beans, first. Dark, medium, or light roast, the last being my personal fave for max enjoyment of kopi luwak. Gives whole new meaning to eating shit.
@BuddTX @robson … And die.
Is this a fucking joke? April Fools on 4/24?