Muscle strains or joint pains keeping you on the sidelines? Enjoy temporary relief with an assist from this 2-Pack of Maximum Strength Hempvana Pain Relief Cream
@boygenius1991 Hemp seed is completely legal, virtually zero of the fun stuff is in it. Even in Texas, as of June. Which probably means it doesn’t work. Just get something with actual CBD oil.
@givemehdeal@Num1Zero
Sounds vaguely like some of the EMS maxims:
all bleeding stops eventually
all pain stops eventually
all fevers go back to room temperature eventually
@bluebeatpete
And lots of -ates and -ides and -ols, too. Lotta impressive-looking organic chemistry stuff going down, but mostly it equates to “greasy stuff”.
So I went to the Amazon link to check the reviews. It claims there is over 10,000 ratings, yet I can only see 1 5 star comment. I would think out of 10,000 sales more than 1 person would comment. Like they delete any review with a negative comment or something.
You can even see customer submitted images on the main page, but if you try to click the to read it says there are no customer submitted images. Sketchy as fuck.
@callow@remo28 But if you actually click on, for example, 5 star reviews and see what comes up only one does. Click on the other bars and none come up.
@callow@remo28 I just clicked on the reviews there again and up they came up this time, unlike when I did that earlier. I think Amazon must have someone assigned to follow the product threads and fixed whatever glitch was preventing all the reviews from showing.
I know in the past they have sometimes lowered prices before on their site shortly after meh is selling it and using their site as a comparison.
@JT954
Probably about as well as it works on any other topically-treatable pain; my expectation is very, very low in that area. YMMV. Hemp seed oil would appear to be the claimed “active” ingredient. The statement that it’s an “FDA-listed pain-fighting ingredient” really ought to be immediately followed by a little asterisk to a footnote stating that hemp seed oil is not recognized by the FDA as being an effective treatment for anything except the manufacturer’s bottom line, but they seem to have left that out.
@JT954 As @werehatrack says… if this was FDA approved to treat pain they’d list that instead. They can’t legally claim they actually treat anything without FDA approval that it actually does what it says it does. So that they listed it how it is listed means either it doesn’t do what they want us to believe it does or they never had it tested in a clinical trial because they know it doesn’t do what they say it does. So… snake oil.
Here found this:
“While CBD is a promising option for pain relief, research has not yet proven it safe and effective, and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) have not approved CBD for treating pain.” So they are lying in what they are saying about this.
And:
“The main difference between hemp oil vs CBD oil, is that hemp oil has little to no CBD content. Hemp Oil is made by cold-pressing the hemp seeds into an omega-rich culinary oil. CBD oil is made by extracting the compound CBD from the leaves, flowers and stalks of a hemp plant.”
And:
“The FDA has not approved any CBD-containing drug products other than one prescription drug for the treatment of seizures associated with tuberous sclerosis complex, Lennox-Gastaut syndrome and Dravet syndrome in human patients.”
So…
/image snake oil
meh really needs to look more carefully at crap like this before they buy it to sell. It’s one thing to sell 1 star speaker docks but, in my opinion, totally a different thing to sell, in effect, snake oil where the manufacturer even lies on top of that. There could be safety issues with these kinds of untested products making medical claims indirectly then using a lie to imply there is actually any efficacy.
@JT954@Kidsandliz
Looking more closely at the label, it does have trolamine salicylate as an ingredient. I do not know why that is not in the ingredient list. But at least that is a chemical relative of aspirin, with some analgesic activity.
On the other hand, if you check the Hempvana site, you may understand why Meh uses the Amazon & $40-for-two listings instead of the company’s own website price. If you don’t have free shipping here on Meh, you might not want to bother.
If you’re an old fart, you know Aspercreme has been around forever. If Aspercreme works for you, then this will also, as the actual pain relieving ingredient is identical. Price is nearly the same.
Just a lot of lipids, stabilizers, emulsifiers, thickeners, and the like. If there is any real pain relief in this brew, it would have to either come from the hemp oil or the placebo effect.
To get the maximum placebo effect, one should pay about 10X more for a single small jar.
BTW, it won’t cure nor prevent Covid-19 either at this point, but that may change if the anti-vaxxers discover this.
@pafloogled I am, indeed, one of the Old Farts here and I use Aspercreme on my knees every day. There is one active ingredient in both the creme and roll-on: 4% lidocaine. It works. If I thought that hemp applied topically would do anything useful, I’d just grab a length of the hemp twine I use in the garden and rub it on my knees.
You need CBD for pain and the active ingredient in this is only Aspirin. If it works at all it’s only for mild/minor pain. If people claim it works for severe pain or a variety of ailments, chock it up to anecdotal evidence and the placebo effect. Go to The Dollar Tree to get a cheap moisturizer and some aspirin.
@Bjlauria@werehatrack In my opinion selling snake oil, even if you say in effect it is, is unethical. They shouldn’t be handing over money to snake oil sales companies, even indirectly. That kind of capitalism shouldn’t be supported.
@Bjlauria@werehatrack Yes I know. I starred it earlier. With the recent spate of questionable stuff for sale along this line though I was also presenting a personal opinion.
@Pufferfishy
Even an IRK is five bucks. But these are not worth as much as an IRK that’s nothing but TrackRs, charcoal tooth powder, and iPhone 6 cases, IMO.
@Kidsandliz 10% trolamine salicylate is enough to get just a bit warm. It’s a common ingredient in a number of rubs. I prefer methyl salicylate for heat, but then you smell like a pack of Lifesavers.
OTOH, the hemp seed oil is just another vegetable oil. You could use cottonseed oil and do as much.
It’s all that they left that out of the ingredients list here, but when I enlarged the label and look closely enough, yep, there it was. Thanks for spotting that.
This site gives Hempvana a “C” (#10 out of 10). But since there’s no info on who these so-called “pro’s” are, take it with a grain of salt.
I just like to try different skin-care creams and lotions, so I’m game since the two of these are a relatively cheap drug-store aisle price. https://painreliefspros.com/bing.html
Some may believe the Trolamine is missing from the ingredients. Not so. Meh disingenuously leaves out the word “Inactive” in their ingredient list. On further checking, I discovered this on the Hempvana website:
WHAT IS THE ACTIVE INGREDIENT?
@pafloogled
By cracky, I miss the good old days when the FDA didn’t require that all those pesky inactive ingredients be enumerated. Just because some of those fine manufacturers were using stuff that you wouldn’t want in the same state with you as part of their toothpaste formula doesn’t mean that I wanted to know that it was there!
Specs
Ingredients
Water/Aqua, Ethylhexyl Stearate, Butylene Glycol, Dimethicone, Stearic Acid, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Hemp Seed Oil, Glyceryl Stearate, PEG-100 Stearate, Cetostearyl Alcohol, Sunflower Oil, Allantoin, Tocopheryl Acetate, Ethylhexyglycerin, Isohexadecane, Sodium Acrylate/Sodium Acryloyldimethyl Taurate Copolymer, Acrylates/C10-30 Alkyl Acrylate Crosspolymer, Caprylyl Glycol, Hexylene Glycol, Polysorbate 80, Disodium EDTA, Green 5 (CI 61570), Sodium Hydroxide, Phenoxyethanol
What’s Included?
2x Hempvana Pain Relief Cream (4oz Jars)
Price Comparison
$39.98 for 2 at Amazon
Warranty
90 days
Estimated Delivery
Wednesday, Nov 24 - Tuesday, Nov 30
/giphy apply directly to the forehead
@boygenius1991 Hemp seed is completely legal, virtually zero of the fun stuff is in it. Even in Texas, as of June. Which probably means it doesn’t work. Just get something with actual CBD oil.
@boygenius1991
@boygenius1991 @Telanis CBD oil does help my arthritis in my hand. One application last for three or four days with 1000 mg
@boygenius1991 @jmruru @Telanis
Now, if this had any CBD oil in it…
how the hell do you keep this stuff lit?
@alacrity It’s probably easier than smoked salmon. That never really worked out for me.
@alacrity Maybe give it a drink?
@Kidsandliz pretty sure it makes shitty margaritas
If I eat it will it make my whole body pain free?
@Num1Zero
From the deets above:
@werehatrack life is pain
@Num1Zero
Anyone who tells you different is trying to sell you something. Like this stuff.
@Num1Zero
I suspect that if you eat it, your whole-body pain will get very expensive in a big hurry.
@Num1Zero yes, body will turn cold, motion and pain free.
@givemehdeal @Num1Zero
Sounds vaguely like some of the EMS maxims:
all bleeding stops eventually
all pain stops eventually
all fevers go back to room temperature eventually
Something extracted from a physiologically inactive fraction of hemp may have been present at the point of manufacture.
@werehatrack
so you’re saying “someone at the factory may have been stoned”??
@werehatrack I think the medical term is “rope-ofol”.
What if you’re dealing with a big pain in the butt?
@mehcuda67
Tie jar to end of long stick. Use stick to increase velocity of jar and apply jar to pain in the butt’s head.
Instructions unclear, I now have a stick up my ass.
@werehatrack Thank you, I’ve been applying it to the wrong place.
@mehcuda67 well that sounds like you have BIG Problem! I like @mehcuda67 solution. Wack Several times till the pain is gone!
@mehcuda67 @mycya4me @werehatrack
Just follow the directions from the first post: apply directly to the forehead, using the @werehatrack method…
That’s a lot of Y’s in the ingredient list - approximately 30. Quite a few X’s as well.
@bluebeatpete
And lots of -ates and -ides and -ols, too. Lotta impressive-looking organic chemistry stuff going down, but mostly it equates to “greasy stuff”.
A handle of Kentucky Deluxe is cheaper
@thechinglish
and helps to treat that elusive whole body pain
So I went to the Amazon link to check the reviews. It claims there is over 10,000 ratings, yet I can only see 1 5 star comment. I would think out of 10,000 sales more than 1 person would comment. Like they delete any review with a negative comment or something.
You can even see customer submitted images on the main page, but if you try to click the to read it says there are no customer submitted images. Sketchy as fuck.
@remo28 That’s because Amazon used it to made the pain of all those reviews go away.
@Kidsandliz @remo28 Amazon is obviously in the pocket of Big Hemp.
@remo28 I see a dozen pictures and lots of reviews on the Amazon link.
@callow @remo28 But if you actually click on, for example, 5 star reviews and see what comes up only one does. Click on the other bars and none come up.
@Kidsandliz @remo28 I get pages and pages of 5 star reviews. And 4 star. And 3 star. Didn’t check the others
@Kidsandliz @remo28
@remo28 something’s wrong with your browser then…there are lots of text reviews.
@callow @remo28 I just clicked on the reviews there again and up they came up this time, unlike when I did that earlier. I think Amazon must have someone assigned to follow the product threads and fixed whatever glitch was preventing all the reviews from showing.
I know in the past they have sometimes lowered prices before on their site shortly after meh is selling it and using their site as a comparison.
@callow weird. Last night I just saw 1 no matter what I clicked on. But now they are all showing. Same browser and device as last night.
Does this work on foot/heel/plantar fasciitis pain?
@JT954
Probably about as well as it works on any other topically-treatable pain; my expectation is very, very low in that area. YMMV. Hemp seed oil would appear to be the claimed “active” ingredient. The statement that it’s an “FDA-listed pain-fighting ingredient” really ought to be immediately followed by a little asterisk to a footnote stating that hemp seed oil is not recognized by the FDA as being an effective treatment for anything except the manufacturer’s bottom line, but they seem to have left that out.
@JT954 As @werehatrack says… if this was FDA approved to treat pain they’d list that instead. They can’t legally claim they actually treat anything without FDA approval that it actually does what it says it does. So that they listed it how it is listed means either it doesn’t do what they want us to believe it does or they never had it tested in a clinical trial because they know it doesn’t do what they say it does. So… snake oil.
@JT954 @werehatrack
Here found this:
“While CBD is a promising option for pain relief, research has not yet proven it safe and effective, and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) have not approved CBD for treating pain.” So they are lying in what they are saying about this.
And:
“The main difference between hemp oil vs CBD oil, is that hemp oil has little to no CBD content. Hemp Oil is made by cold-pressing the hemp seeds into an omega-rich culinary oil. CBD oil is made by extracting the compound CBD from the leaves, flowers and stalks of a hemp plant.”
And:
“The FDA has not approved any CBD-containing drug products other than one prescription drug for the treatment of seizures associated with tuberous sclerosis complex, Lennox-Gastaut syndrome and Dravet syndrome in human patients.”
So…
/image snake oil
meh really needs to look more carefully at crap like this before they buy it to sell. It’s one thing to sell 1 star speaker docks but, in my opinion, totally a different thing to sell, in effect, snake oil where the manufacturer even lies on top of that. There could be safety issues with these kinds of untested products making medical claims indirectly then using a lie to imply there is actually any efficacy.
@JT954 @Kidsandliz
Looking more closely at the label, it does have trolamine salicylate as an ingredient. I do not know why that is not in the ingredient list. But at least that is a chemical relative of aspirin, with some analgesic activity.
@JT954 @werehatrack yeah but does it do anything put on the skin as opposed to swallowing it?
On the other hand, if you check the Hempvana site, you may understand why Meh uses the Amazon & $40-for-two listings instead of the company’s own website price. If you don’t have free shipping here on Meh, you might not want to bother.
I think it’s safe to say this stuff makes shitty margaritas.
@alacrity After a few, do you still care?
@hchavers I’m thinkin’ using this would qualify as alcohol abuse
@alacrity @hchavers
I’m thinking you’re both right, plus a marg made with this stuff would put you into heavy-lift booster mode really fast.
Just what my wife needs, or at least I think she needs. She keeps talking about the pain in her neck.
@hchavers She might want to invest in a gag with a padlock instead…?
@hchavers And that pain would be you?
If you’re an old fart, you know Aspercreme has been around forever. If Aspercreme works for you, then this will also, as the actual pain relieving ingredient is identical. Price is nearly the same.
@pafloogled Nope, no aspirin nor salicylates in this ingredient list below.
Water/Aqua, Ethylhexyl Stearate, Butylene Glycol, Dimethicone, Stearic Acid, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Hemp Seed Oil, Glyceryl Stearate, PEG-100 Stearate, Cetostearyl Alcohol, Sunflower Oil, Allantoin, Tocopheryl Acetate, Ethylhexyglycerin, Isohexadecane, Sodium Acrylate/Sodium Acryloyldimethyl Taurate Copolymer, Acrylates/C10-30 Alkyl Acrylate Crosspolymer, Caprylyl Glycol, Hexylene Glycol, Polysorbate 80, Disodium EDTA, Green 5 (CI 61570), Sodium Hydroxide, Phenoxyethanol
Just a lot of lipids, stabilizers, emulsifiers, thickeners, and the like. If there is any real pain relief in this brew, it would have to either come from the hemp oil or the placebo effect.
To get the maximum placebo effect, one should pay about 10X more for a single small jar.
BTW, it won’t cure nor prevent Covid-19 either at this point, but that may change if the anti-vaxxers discover this.
@Jackinga
Enlarge the image of the label a bit, and you’ll see that it does in fact say that trolamine salicylate is used here.
@Jackinga @werehatrack
@Jackinga @pafloogled But they Anti-Vaxer are sure buying all the Snake Oil they can get their paws on!
@pafloogled I am, indeed, one of the Old Farts here and I use Aspercreme on my knees every day. There is one active ingredient in both the creme and roll-on: 4% lidocaine. It works. If I thought that hemp applied topically would do anything useful, I’d just grab a length of the hemp twine I use in the garden and rub it on my knees.
You need CBD for pain and the active ingredient in this is only Aspirin. If it works at all it’s only for mild/minor pain. If people claim it works for severe pain or a variety of ailments, chock it up to anecdotal evidence and the placebo effect. Go to The Dollar Tree to get a cheap moisturizer and some aspirin.
Do not confuse hemp extract with CBD. If this product is sold on Amazon, they do not allow the sale of CBD products so this would have none.
MEH is becoming a snake oil salesperson.
@Bjlauria
And the write-up pretty much says so.
@Bjlauria @werehatrack In my opinion selling snake oil, even if you say in effect it is, is unethical. They shouldn’t be handing over money to snake oil sales companies, even indirectly. That kind of capitalism shouldn’t be supported.
@Kidsandliz @werehatrack I think you need to take a breath… my comment was meant as a joke!
@Bjlauria @werehatrack Yes I know. I starred it earlier. With the recent spate of questionable stuff for sale along this line though I was also presenting a personal opinion.
@Kidsandliz @werehatrack Okeey-Doke!
God Damned Hippies!!
@Bumplepimp Nope - effectively no active ingredient in hemp oil. See up higher.
@Bumplepimp @Kidsandliz
You’re right there are clearly no hippies listed in the label above
The Meh write up story is a good one though. Thanks for that this am at least.
“It’s only fifteen bucks”?? Well if money is no object here why not just send them out for free?
@Pufferfishy
Even an IRK is five bucks. But these are not worth as much as an IRK that’s nothing but TrackRs, charcoal tooth powder, and iPhone 6 cases, IMO.
Yet it is seventh in the long list of inactive ingredients.
The only active ingredient, trolamine salicylate, is approved as an external analgesic.
See the FDA OTC ingredient list on pages 21 and 23.
So while there is much prevarication in the promotional material, maybe it’s not total “snake oil.”
@2many2no You are presuming there is enough there to even make a difference.
@Kidsandliz 10% trolamine salicylate is enough to get just a bit warm. It’s a common ingredient in a number of rubs. I prefer methyl salicylate for heat, but then you smell like a pack of Lifesavers.
OTOH, the hemp seed oil is just another vegetable oil. You could use cottonseed oil and do as much.
It’s all that they left that out of the ingredients list here, but when I enlarged the label and look closely enough, yep, there it was. Thanks for spotting that.
It’s still snake oil.
@werehatrack
Dammit, Google Speech-To-Text!
Is this a good price for aspercreme?
@j37hr0
Most formulas of actual Aspercreme contain lidocaine, which is hella more effective than trolamine salicylate.
This site gives Hempvana a “C” (#10 out of 10). But since there’s no info on who these so-called “pro’s” are, take it with a grain of salt.
I just like to try different skin-care creams and lotions, so I’m game since the two of these are a relatively cheap drug-store aisle price.
https://painreliefspros.com/bing.html
I refuse to pay for snake oil unless it is made from actual snakes.
Water/Aqua, Ethylhexyl Stearate, Butylene Glycol, DimethicoNe, SteAric Acid, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Hemp Seed Oil, Glyceryl Stearate, PEG-100 Stearate, Cetostearyl Alcohol, Sunflower Oil, Allantoin, Tocopheryl Acetate, Ethylhexyglycerin, Isohexadecane, Sodium Acrylate/Sodium Acryloyldimethyl Taurate Copolymer, Acrylates/C10-30 AlKyl AcrylatE CrOsspolymer, Caprylyl Glycol, Hexylene Glycol, Polysorbate 80, DIsodium EDTA, Green 5 (CI 61570), Sodium Hydroxide, PhenoxyethanoL
Ha! I knew that was in there somewhere.
Some may believe the Trolamine is missing from the ingredients. Not so. Meh disingenuously leaves out the word “Inactive” in their ingredient list. On further checking, I discovered this on the Hempvana website:
WHAT IS THE ACTIVE INGREDIENT?
Hempavana ® Pain Relief Cream uses Trolamine Salicylate (10%).
WHAT ARE THE INACTIVE INGREDIENTS?
Water/Aqua, Ethylhexyl Stearate, Butylene Glycol, Dimethicone, Stearic Acid, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Hemp Seed Oil, Glyceryl Stearate, PEG-100 Stearate, Cetostearyl Alcohol, Sunflower Oil, Allantoin, Tocopheryl Acetate, Ethylhexyglycerin, Isohexadecane, Sodium Acrylate/Sodium Acryloyldimethyl Taurate Copolymer, Acrylates/C10-30 Alkyl Acrylate Crosspolymer, Caprylyl Glycol, Hexylene Glycol, Polysorbate 80, Disodium EDTA, Green 5 (CI 61570), Sodium Hydroxide, Phenoxyethanol.
@pafloogled
By cracky, I miss the good old days when the FDA didn’t require that all those pesky inactive ingredients be enumerated. Just because some of those fine manufacturers were using stuff that you wouldn’t want in the same state with you as part of their toothpaste formula doesn’t mean that I wanted to know that it was there!