A)because it is easier to get the GIF this way
2)cuz I wanted to see if trailing words would break the /buy
c)since this way is harder
iv)i’m an idiot
E)i’m an idot savant
Six)all of the above
gee)none of the above
ate)some of the above
Aye)i’ll tell ya later
i cut myself bad enough to need 3 stitches with a knife you people sold me, and here you are trying to sell me more knives? how insensitive. you should know i shouldnt be left unsupervised with sharp things.
IF YOU CONTINUE TO DO THIS 8AM CRAP YOU WILL LOSE THIS CUSTOMER FOR LIFE. WTF??? STUPID, MAKE NO SENCE, IF YOU SELL OUT THEN YOU SELL OUT. IF THEY CARE THAT MUCH THEN CHECK IT OUT AT MIDNIGHT (eastern standard time)
@bugger Usually, if you are a bit more diplomatic, the good folks here might even reply. They have been pretty open about this, even with some pretty direct criticism. But just being rude? Not going to accomplish much.
From what I can tell though, get used to it, 8am is where it’s at. They don’t really care (despite the obligatory denial) about the long time product release junkies, or even the VMP members, since they are keeping around 70-80% of the product for the 8 am drop.
It sucks, but, they have a business to run. And if any of us who don’t like it, we can always open our own business, and run it any way we want. That sucks too, but it’s also the American way (don’t listen to the morons who will try to tell you anything different!)
@bugger It probably has more to do with those of us who are adults (I.E. work for a living, have to get up early) that never get in on the good deals because they are already sold out. So Meh has decided they still want us as customers and is giving us a chance to actually participate.
@beachhead um, number check. Looks like 413 sold as of the email this morning and 623 as of post 8 am sell out. If we assume 700 total, that gives us 60% @ midnight, 30% @ 8AM and 10% for VMP. That seems reasonable.
@earendil Yes, I had company last night, and didn’t see the numbers til later on. But, that had been exactly what they were doing. It still should be 100% at launch, and let the whiners learn about alarm clocks. How long does it take to wake up, and click a couple buttons if you really want/need the meh item.
@hodr But here’s this on that… If the midnight regulars were already buying enough product to induce a sellout, what difference does it make to the good folks at Meh.com what time the release is?
I only have limited experience in business and no experience in retail. I owned a tech related businesses for a bit over 20 years (small potatoes; only 18-20 employees at its peak). Currently I manage a publishing company. So I freely acknowledge my limited expertise in the area of retail, e-commerce, and brand growth.
Initially I believed they were building a thing here. A weird, quirky, alt.online-retail-experience.hamster.duct-tape sort of community thing. But the 8am thing sort of pushes that in a different direction, innit. Can’t be alt and nurture the mainstream simultaneously (see “woot.com”; video killed the radio star)
Their bidness, their call. A couple of years ago I tripped across something pretty cool here. I stayed. I bought some stuff. I contributed some nonsense. I got some great goodies and made some very cool friends. Made a couple non-friends too. In all, it’s been a great experience I’ve been pleased to participate in. If it becomes not so great, I move on to whatever else is out there.
I don’t spend enough money here to matter. I won’t delude myself for one second that my purchases make any difference to Meh’s bottom line. But the 8am crowd groaned loudly enough they apparently were successful in affecting change. So now the midnight crowd is doing exactly the same thing. Groaning in the hope of affecting change.
@beachhead anyone who got here at midnight had plenty of time to buy a knife. Somewhere there’s some fun debate to be had but not when you start with an argument like “I couldn’t get here at midnight but dammit people who want to be here at 8am should just set an alarm”
Can’t be alt and nurture the mainstream simultaneously (see
“woot.com”; video killed the radio star)
@ruouttaurmind this is a great summary of what our experiment tweak is testing. However, having taken the path you reference, I can assure you that this is not that path. That path is “raise prices and force variety while email marketing your offers to Amazon shoppers based on their shopping history”.
I ran backwards from that path - it started to stink and I think it led to a garbage dump.
@erinjennie I do. It’s set for 9pm. Not 12pm, 2am, 4am and of course the famous 8am. it’s much easier just to sleep through them all. Saves money, right? Like I said, just sell this one (MEH SITE) to Amazon as well if your (MEH) is going to screw with it.
@beachhead Agreed… It was working just fine. Why change perfection. There are some babies on this site that just don’t get business. I get that. Not everyone has the capacity for business. That seems to include the founders of MEH lately. My guess is they will figure out that they gain nothing only lose business by jacking with this “PAUSED” deal.
@bugger I’ve openly admitted my ignorance of all things retail and e-commerce. But to suggest the founder of a multi-million dollar company which was purchased by Bozos/Amazon doesn’t have the capacity for business… I can’t say I see that perspective.
Also, to suggest ‘it was working just fine’ is a bit of an assumption. What is/was ‘working just fine’ for us, the community, doesn’t necessarily mean the business goals of founders are being met…
Sellouts are good inasmuch as it’s a clear indication that day’s allocation of product has been completely disposed of. On the backhand, sellouts are bad inasmuch as it’s a clear indication of opportunity for additional sales, innit? Like leaving money on the table so to speak?
IIRC, I read something here several months ago by @snapster regarding sellouts and stock allocations and such other musings. That posting made an excellent point about sellouts. To badly paraphrase, it was something like ‘an ideal sales day is one that sells out shortly before the selling day ends at midnight’. This makes perfect sense. That would be the butter zone. The sales Nirvana. The moment where your entire stock sells in the last seconds.
The challenge for Meh is how to get to that butter zone. Expending valuable resources on overstock? Capital monopolized in static stock, costly warehouse space allocated to storage, greater potential for spoilage, and so on? (think: 8 million JBL speaker docks or a thirty and a half tons of BuiltNY neoprene cases)
TL;DR? We don’t know that “it was working just fine”. What works for us, doesn’t necessarily work for the business owner or turn good profit.
I feel like you are partially making my point. If they are building a community, they probably want it to be open to the greatest number of people. If the first dozen times you stop by Meh you notice a pattern that the good stuff is always sold out before you have a chance, then maybe you don’t get invested and don’t join the community.
Sure, they may sell out regardless, but by spreading the sales out they encourage greater community participation and they have a better chance of selling out the slightly less cool stuff since more people are visiting the site.
Same reason your retail establishment limits sale items to 1 per customer, because they want to bring people into the store and sell more of their other stuff. As a retail genius entrepreneur publisher megastar I would think this should be obvious to you.
@Yoda_Daenerys Life isn’t Fair, Princess, or some comment similar. I need to go back and re-watch The Princess Bride
Actually, I’ve only made one or two since I was on the road from Miami Beach. As a Southerner in the very deep South, I have to say the further towards Key West I go, the ruder the natives seem to be.
@bugger You sounded hangry this morning. Have a snack before you Meh. It might help?
Anyway, it’s just stuff.
They’ll sell it again. Probably. You know, kinda like speaker docks and thermal cups.
Besides, they’re just slippery ol’ Ginsu knives. The ones I talked myself out of needing. I think the Pause Feature might save me money in the long run. Not that I buy I bunch of stuff, but every dollar adds up.
@snapster I wasn’t griping about missing the knives, just the sales quantity. Like a lot of other meh folks, there’s no shortage of knives at my house. And my only “gripe” if I miss an item is with myself.
I only missed the sell out number, as the quantity you make available at the different times provides us an interesting look at just which portion of the customer base you are targeting. Certainly in the early stages, you were making a large proportion available for the 8 am drop.
Is it not acceptable for us to participate and analyze the “experiment” that you’ve forced us into?
@lljk Probably but maybe not. I’m usually one of the first to hit the meh button but this time I was a bit late.
Spoiler alert! I’m going to rant.
@snapster@dave and the rest: correct me if I’m wrong but I thought the premise of this site was 1 item per day, 1st come 1st serve, in the pursuit of the perfect deal. If I was the last one here and was left holding the empty bag than I wouldn’t have a bitch. But I was here, twice. Both times the sale was paused. You have taken from me my natural right to partisipate in the deal.
Stop the pauses as a failed experiment and tell the East Coast whinners if they don’t stop whinning you’ll set the clock to Midnight Central time like that other site whose name shall not be mentioned.
I’m usually one of the first to hit the meh button but this time I was a bit late.>
I’m not saying this isn’t being fair. Fair is where you go to ride rides and see the 4H animals. It’s not my company, it’s yours. Do with it as you see fit.
I’m also not asking for special treatment. I don’t have that right or inclination. I’m just saying this pause seems to me to be adding too many layers to what should be a simple concept: 1st come 1st served.
The Pause Thing does suck! Maybe you should start offering a sellout.meh, and a computer.meh, and a electronics.meh, and a kids.meh, and a Bluetooth.meh, and a home.meh and a tools & garden.meh.
Also, maybe you should consider selling about 50 or so items under each category . . .
@narfcake el at—I mean narf and everyone else–what’s the ause thing? does it go off after a certain time? Does it last a certain time? I log on every night, but haven’t paid attention. It seems the time is random, otherwise so many people wouldn’t be upset, but I have no idea.
Gin whoo?? I’m itching to buy something. Should I buy the knives tonight, or whatever comes up tomorrow? With the cheap price, maybe I’ll use them. Usually when I pay “A lot” for something nice, I’m afraid to use it for a few years. What is that? It’s treating myself nice, but no it isn’t. I need to like myself and enjoy something. At least act like it.
ooooh! @Mehrocco_Mole says “staggered sale” so I’m guessing its…tadaaaa!, Staggered.
@trimm Het, thanks! Yep, I remember skipping over that! ok. Yep, I’ll “bookmark” it and read it upon awakening!
thanks for the reply @trimm. I might be a wee bit sarcastic, but I do appreciate the time you put into it!
@dickie541 I was thinking that too! I think every cell in the known universe would burst, or there would be a “rip” in the space time continuum, or we would trans-warp into a new alternate reality, or some other techno-babble!
I have mixed feelings about the pause thing. On one hand, it’s twice now prevented me from buying something I wanted at the moment I wanted to buy it. On the other hand, it’s twice now prevented me from buying something I absolutely didn’t need.
Still I agree with the others. The pause thing sucks (even if it saves me money…)
@Yoda_Daenerys Hmmm…second circuit breaker tripped at 623, which gives the original drop, people who made the site, about twice the opportunity as the morning whiners. This is a significant shift from the start of this miserable “experiment”. I’m going to guess the other loyal customer base gets thrown a tiny little bone as well, so I’ll go with an increase from 7% to a whopping 10-11%, and guess there will be another 70 available for the vmp drop.
I still say this whole circuit breaker thing is dumb, and that they should just put the time and effort into getting more desirable stuff for ridiculously cheap prices. You could call that an experiment, but I’d say it’s a recipe for success…;)
@beachhead designing features for our site has yet to ever reduce resources from our purchasing effort. Someday it could but I don’t think anyone’s accusing us of having too robust a development team. It’s less than 10% of Mediocre’s workforce.
Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate the pause, I was tempted but I have life and work so I can’t check it at 9pm, hell I checked it more regularly when I was east coast and stayed up till midnight. at least if I miss something because it truly sold out then it truly sold out.
@mediocrebot Dammit! It’s only nine minutes after eight and now because I’m not Clara Clock Watcher, I have to wait until 4?! I hate being none of those people none of the time!
Well, at least you’re telling me there’s still a chance. Thanks, Meh. I’ll try to be more punctual in the future.
It may be time for a 2 item Meh, break one at Midnight west coast and the other at 8am east coast. Idea #2 deep 6 the vmp make a flat ship fee lets say 2 bucks being a frequent buyer on here i can live with that .Idea 3 have a yearly ship fee like Prime and Walmart shipping pass …price it at 39 bucks …ill do it …Idea #4 Make everyday 2 fer and price it accordingly …OK im done with ideas … To the Meh team you rock !!! Peace
I’ll take the free paring knife “with no order.” Thought no one was paying attention, meh? I bought the last set of 3 knives you had up and, oddly enough, LOVE THEM!! I’ve been searching for a good knife to hold in my arthritic hand and those knives are IT!! But, not this time, amigos
I still have Jaimie Oliver and Ginsu knives unopened in their shipping crates. I missed both midnight and 8 by a half hour and couldn’t buy these. You sure know how to make a girl want something bad. I just hope I’m a half hour late at 4 too.
@benji7roeth primary issue here is the undersized batch of knives but, just as my 12am conversations go, you basically have to be here at launch some days. I’m not sure what you mean on making it easier than launching consistently at 8am sharp ET.
edit: wait. so you don’t even know about the 8am relaunch do you. [insert Charlie Brown auuuuugggggghhhh]
@snapster An interesting development, innit. Someone who has been a member for five or six months, but has no clue about the whole circuit breaker dealio.
Of course, in retrospect, it’s obvious. If someone doesn’t participate in the community, and visits only irregularly, and has a bulletproof spam filter to catch the daily email, they’d have no clue what “deal paused until 8AM” even means.
We need a Meh 2 for the Westies. Or, Oh, better yet! Meh, Jr. Yeah, that will get them riled up!
I’ll kindly offer to manage WCM (West Coast Meh). I shall be fair and just! Lesser Kings would probably sell big ginsus’ on the East and think it funny to sell the little knives on the West. Not me, probably.
I’ll start packing a few things while I wait your reply.
@wew Now your talking. I prefer the (start sales at 9pm till it’s gone) over the (pause sales till 8am program). MEH, your just pissing off the west to satisfy the east. First there was the east coast/west coast rapper wars now this?? MEH, why??? LOL
I think the pause is entertaining, quirky, and contentious which pretty much sums up what I’ve loved about meh over the past couple years. I’m thinking about coming back at 1pm just to experience a pause purchase even though I don’t need any knives.
@mdwy62@bugger if you’re not VMP you simply see “Sold Out you missed it” after the 8am release is sold out. Log out to see. Do you think that means we’re not aware what we’re telling these potential customers?
I guess I’m confused about the pause button hate, and inability to see how it will help Meh.com going forward.
The pause condition isn’t for selling more of today’s product, but for subsequent items. The staggering of time windows for offers allows for a broader audience to be reached. With a broadened audience, additional units can be purchased in hopes of selling those.
I applaud the effort and it has brought me back to checking the site daily again.
@MooNinja TL;DR summary… The midnight crowd supported the site for a couple years. Now the midnight crowd is being allocated a smallish portion of the available stock. This is why the pause button hate.
The little CX-20 drones paused about 10 minutes after midnight. If I wanted to order some, I had to get up at 4AM (which I did). Then the (midnight) community realized the disproportionate stock allocation, and started to feel like redheaded stepchildren. The next night’s sale was similar. This fueled the pause hate. And here we are.
@ruouttaurmind Retail like this is unprecedented, so it’s understandable to have some hiccups. Today’s knives got a wider distribution at midnight – is that the way forward, or will some other product proportion work out better? No one knows yet.
In my numbers days at shirt.woot, I calculated out that only about 1 in 8 returned to purchase a sold out shirt. That’s pretty significant.
By staggering the sales, meh stands a better chance of keeping a larger audience than if this audience kept seeing a “sold out” sign. There’s no difference in total sales, but it’d yield a big difference in audience retention.
@narfcakeToday’s knives got a wider distribution at midnight – is that the way forward, or will some other product proportion work out better? No one knows yet.
Agreed. Hence, @snapster’s constant reference to this as an “experiment” (when I was doing the DJ thing I referred to my show as “dangerous, experimental radio… don’t get any on ya!”; apparently only humorous to me…)
expressing a lack of interest or enthusiasm.
“Meh. I’m not impressed so far”
“a lot of his movies are … meh”
And yes, click that meh button to your heart’s content. Or don’t. It doesn’t matter. Some people click it when they don’t buy something. Some click it when they do so they can see the face on the calendar. Some of us click it every damn day because there’s something wrong with us and we want to see how long we can go without breaking the streak.
726 total meh button clicks
641 in a row
longest streak: 641
Even though I am on the East Coast-still staying up till 12:00 midnight to see what the next day item is rather than waiting until 8 the next morning for a couple of reasons-first if I’m in bed and watching TV before falling asleep if its around 12-I will always check on my phone next to the bed to see what the item(s) is because the suspense would be killing me. Also not sure if I could get a good nights sleep knowing there was a “meh” out there and not knowing what it is. And I think the pressure to get up before 8 is a lot greater than staying up a few minutes past my usual bedtime. But that is just me.
Not to jock Meh’s style, but I have an immediate fix if you are really needing a knife. Especially if you have any knife sharpening apparatus. I got mine for $8 with Prime. Looks like it’s an add-on now.