Vegan dog treats are something that very firmly should not exist. Dogs cannot be vegan; it will kill them. Even if a hypothetical vegan diet for dogs could exist…why would you force a very silly, contrarian, and uniquely human construct onto another species? If we ignore diets for individual health reasons, there’s no reason.
Hopefully these are on Meh because enough potential buyers elsewhere realized this is an extremely pretentious and dangerous concept. (No offense to Meh.)
@Kyeh Dog diets should be based primarily on meat. Take one look at their teeth and you’ll see they’re designed for it. There’s no question that humanity has bred dogs to be less dependent on meat than ever before, but it’s still a very important core aspect of their diet and should never be omitted, especially for exclusively human ideals. Dogs these days eat a lot of human food, not because it’s healthy for them, but rather because it tastes super good to them. A person could maybe survive on a diet consisting entirely of Fudge Rounds and Cheez-Its, but it wouldn’t be a healthy existence.
@PooltoyWolf Canines are opportunistic omnivores, and the domesticated canine’s diet has been shaped by millennia of human cohabitation. While an all-vegan diet isn’t ideal for any opportunistic omnivores (including rats, pigs, and humans), it’s not going to hurt them to eat some tasty vegan snackies as part of a varied diet.
Most of my doggos have enjoyed some greens, and if I don’t feed them greens, go chomping much less nutritious grass. So they get salad, broccoli, brussies (they all love the brussies!)
@PooltoyWolf One of my dogs has a protein allergy and has to have hydrolyzed dog food. He has all-veggie treats all the time. No harm when it comes to treats. Also, my wife works at a vet office, so I trust we’re not killing him with the vegan treats.
@PooltoyWolf my dog is vegan in public but eats beef in gravy at home. also wears glasses and costs me a fortune in cause-based lapel pins. it’s exhausting.
That said, our dogs are fed a “Natural” brand of a beef and brown rice kibble alternating with chicken and brown rice kibble, and supplemented by various fruit and veggies as available seasonally.
@chienfou Not sure. He’s had the allergy since I got him at 1.5 years old. I hear chicken allergies are extremely common in Labs but he has problems with a lot of things, so I think I just got a lemon. Still love the big dummy though.
My household dog eats a lot of fresh veggies along with her kibble. There’s nothing wrong with dogs having some non meat things in their diets within reason. I’m debating grabbing some once I check with her primary human, because she’s very food driven but can’t have poultry, so we tend to grab the rare treats we find without that. I’m just debating if these are worth it vs the little crunchy cookies the local dog store gives us with any purchase that we never run out of. (Hearty chew treats like collagen donuts are far and away prefered, unless is fresh fruit and veg. Or popcorn, she’s a fiend for that!)
Meh. Locally, I can regularly get boneless pork or chicken for <<$2/pound. I’m currently clearing out lamb at $2-3/pound. Ingredients seem solid, and probably this is a decent training treat (since carrying around a bag of lamb bits is generally noisome). But is it an amazing deal?
@brainmist
Sounds like you may have an in at a local butcher- we never see those kinds of prices any more [in upstate NY].
One of our dogs apparently has a lamb intolerance or allergy, because he vomits back up any lamb-based kibble or treats- something we figured out rather quickly and stopped.
We were used to feeding our dogs a lamb and rice kibble because of our Newf’s allergies to other foods, which were causing her skin to break down [to the point that she developed pyoderma at least twice], but when he came along, that was quickly stopped [We had previously lost the Newf to an osteosarcoma of her humerus at around 15- years-old.]
Best. Dog. Ever.
Sometimes we get crazy deals around here (like $5/ pound snow crab or salmon), and if you know where to look, you can find the extreme markdowns posted on social media.
@DrunkCat I hate the continued prevalence of AI as much as everyone else but I don’t think making the same comment about it every day is going to do anything.
@chienfou@DrunkCat Full disclosure: I hate the constant pushing of AI onto and into everything in the consumer world with a passion (no one actually needs an AI washing machine or bird bath or pin) but constantly harping about it every day in places where people are generally discussing other topics doesn’t really help anyone or change minds. A dedicated topic/thread about it would probably do much better.
@chienfou@PooltoyWolf Why would I what? It’s not like you get a choice. It’s just Google’s desperate need to find a use-case. That’s why it gets shoved everywhere and anywhere regardless if you choose it or not.
The first thing that drew my eye when loading the page was the bag that said “Better Brat” and my first thought was “I didn’t realize kink-specific snacks were a thing.”
I will never understand the need to market “emulated meats” do a dog. Burgers, Brats, and Chicken when it’s all the same chickpea and yam meal inside? Just call them “Dog Treats” - paying for 4 different packages for the same content is stupid.
Unless, of course, you’re no smarter than your dog I suppose…
@Pufferfishy
Hint: They’re not marketing to the dogs- they’re marketing to the dog’s owners/guardians.
Why else are cat foods fish or star-shaped and multicolored?
OTH, I think you may have missed the [at least purported] flavor differences, which do make a difference- to our dogs at least.
While they are pretty much food-driven and will readily take and eat [actually devour] a lot of things we decide to hand them [except lettuce, celery, and tomato for instance], they do evidence some strong individual preferences for flavors- although bacon is an especially popular one with all of our pack.
@PhysAssist Max eats anything but “leafy greens” - we’ve been “bulking up” his food with veggies since he was a pup (he was getting a bit plump, but simply reducing his food left him ravenous all the time - enter carrots and green beans). And his treats are simple air-fryer dehydrated yams - he loves them.
@Pufferfishy
What a cutie pie!
Ours eat well too, and in addition to what we feed them, they have also eaten virtually all of the plants in ‘their yard’, except for the burdocks- which were so huge, I had to cut them down with a scythe and haul them out to our burn pile with the front-end loader on our tractor.
Let’s do some math! I want to know how many treats/bag. For the burger: 3,048 kcal/kg. That’s the same as 3.05 kcal/g. Each treat is 6 kcal. Tiny bit of rounding (cause it’s early)…each treat is 2g. That’s pretty small! How small? Each bag contains 170g. So, that is 85 treats/bag. Can anyone confirm?
@eeterrific
One of our dogs eats the one of the other’s poo, unless we catch him at it.
We have been covering her poo with ashes from the woodstove to deter this, but we have to watch for her to deposit it and cover it before he can get to it first- which is sometimes difficult.
We do have an antiseptic mouth-spray that we dose him with when he comes back in, unless we know for sure that he hasn’t partaken of the forbidden ‘treats’. But we still don’t tolerate him licking us.
Has anyone had any luck with any deterrents to their dog’s habit of coprophagia?
My brief review via Google showed that the most commonly recommended remedy is supplements containing glutamic acid and/or yucca to maker the offending ‘treat’ taste offensive, although, given that it is poo, one would think it already should be pretty offensive.
However, the Amazon reviews of some of the top-ranked “solutions” are at best about 45-50% positive in regard to changing the unwanted behavior, so IDK what else to try.
@PhysAssist Sorry, i didn’t see this until now, but short of going out with them every time to supervise, which isn’t very convenient, you could always try a basket muzzle whenever they’re out by themselves, in hopes that it might break the habit. Although, they can be pretty persistent, as you’ve unfortunately discovered. If you use a muzzle, some dogs need a bit of time to acclimate to it before they stop trying to remove it, etc. If that’s the case, putting it on for short periods around the house & using treats or other distractions to make it a positive experience can help. Whatever you decide to try, good luck!
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Product: 12-Pack: Bright Planet Plant-Based Dog Treats
Model: 860005968091, 860005968046, 860005968039, 860005968008
Condition: New
Bright Planet Better Dog Treats (Burg'R, 6 Oz)
Bright Planet Pet Better Dog Treat (Brat, 6 Oz)
Bright Planet Pet Better Dog Treat (BBQ Chick'N, 6 Oz)
Bright Planet Pet Better Dog Treat (Bac'N, 6 Oz)
What’s Included?
OR
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Price Comparison
$119.88 (for 12) at Amazon
Burg’R | Brat | BBQ Chick’N | Bac’N
Warranty
90 days
Estimated Delivery
Monday, Mar 10 - Tuesday, Mar 11
No peanut butter flavour? Do you hate @CharlieDoggo ?
@yakkoTDI Yes! All treats should have pb!!!
Meh has gone to the dogs!
Vegan dog treats are something that very firmly should not exist. Dogs cannot be vegan; it will kill them. Even if a hypothetical vegan diet for dogs could exist…why would you force a very silly, contrarian, and uniquely human construct onto another species? If we ignore diets for individual health reasons, there’s no reason.
Hopefully these are on Meh because enough potential buyers elsewhere realized this is an extremely pretentious and dangerous concept. (No offense to Meh.)
@PooltoyWolf Well, okay for treats maybe, but definitely not for their main diet.
@Kyeh Probably, yeah. An occasional meat-free snack, not for sustenance. But again, why? Just feed them dog treats that aren’t based on human vanity.
@PooltoyWolf They’re omnivores, so they can eat them, but it’s probably not their preference.
https://www.hillspet.com/dog-care/behavior-appearance/are-dogs-carnivores-or-omnivores
@Kyeh Dog diets should be based primarily on meat. Take one look at their teeth and you’ll see they’re designed for it. There’s no question that humanity has bred dogs to be less dependent on meat than ever before, but it’s still a very important core aspect of their diet and should never be omitted, especially for exclusively human ideals. Dogs these days eat a lot of human food, not because it’s healthy for them, but rather because it tastes super good to them. A person could maybe survive on a diet consisting entirely of Fudge Rounds and Cheez-Its, but it wouldn’t be a healthy existence.
@PooltoyWolf Canines are opportunistic omnivores, and the domesticated canine’s diet has been shaped by millennia of human cohabitation. While an all-vegan diet isn’t ideal for any opportunistic omnivores (including rats, pigs, and humans), it’s not going to hurt them to eat some tasty vegan snackies as part of a varied diet.
Most of my doggos have enjoyed some greens, and if I don’t feed them greens, go chomping much less nutritious grass. So they get salad, broccoli, brussies (they all love the brussies!)
@PooltoyWolf
I feel attacked
@Ignorant They’re SO good, I know!
@PooltoyWolf One of my dogs has a protein allergy and has to have hydrolyzed dog food. He has all-veggie treats all the time. No harm when it comes to treats. Also, my wife works at a vet office, so I trust we’re not killing him with the vegan treats.
/showme organic-mannerly-desire
@ExtraMedium This would be one of the aformentioned medically necessary cases.
@PooltoyWolf my dog is vegan in public but eats beef in gravy at home. also wears glasses and costs me a fortune in cause-based lapel pins. it’s exhausting.
@PooltoyWolf
This study strongly suggests that your statement may be incorrect:
The Impact of Vegan Diets on Indicators of Health in Dogs and Cats: A Systematic Review
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9860667/pdf/vetsci-10-00052.pdf
These are less scientific, but emotionally more compelling:
The story of the Guinness Book World Record-holder for Canine Longevity [a dog fed a vegan diet]:
https://www.amazon.com/Bramble-wanted-forever-Somerset-notes/dp/1482391120
and this:
That said, our dogs are fed a “Natural” brand of a beef and brown rice kibble alternating with chicken and brown rice kibble, and supplemented by various fruit and veggies as available seasonally.
@ExtraMedium @PooltoyWolf
…alpha-gal syndrome? From a tick?
@chienfou Not sure. He’s had the allergy since I got him at 1.5 years old. I hear chicken allergies are extremely common in Labs but he has problems with a lot of things, so I think I just got a lemon. Still love the big dummy though.
My household dog eats a lot of fresh veggies along with her kibble. There’s nothing wrong with dogs having some non meat things in their diets within reason. I’m debating grabbing some once I check with her primary human, because she’s very food driven but can’t have poultry, so we tend to grab the rare treats we find without that. I’m just debating if these are worth it vs the little crunchy cookies the local dog store gives us with any purchase that we never run out of. (Hearty chew treats like collagen donuts are far and away prefered, unless is fresh fruit and veg. Or popcorn, she’s a fiend for that!)
Meh. Locally, I can regularly get boneless pork or chicken for <<$2/pound. I’m currently clearing out lamb at $2-3/pound. Ingredients seem solid, and probably this is a decent training treat (since carrying around a bag of lamb bits is generally noisome). But is it an amazing deal?
Nah. Pretty meh.
@brainmist
Sounds like you may have an in at a local butcher- we never see those kinds of prices any more [in upstate NY].
One of our dogs apparently has a lamb intolerance or allergy, because he vomits back up any lamb-based kibble or treats- something we figured out rather quickly and stopped.
We were used to feeding our dogs a lamb and rice kibble because of our Newf’s allergies to other foods, which were causing her skin to break down [to the point that she developed pyoderma at least twice], but when he came along, that was quickly stopped [We had previously lost the Newf to an osteosarcoma of her humerus at around 15- years-old.]
Best. Dog. Ever.
@brainmist @PhysAssist
Yeah. If i could get lamb at 2-3 dollars a pound my preference would be to throw it on the grill for MY dinner.
@chienfou @PhysAssist Oh, we’ve both been eating a lot of lamb. A LOT.
Because I basically brought home a whole lamb.
Sometimes we get crazy deals around here (like $5/ pound snow crab or salmon), and if you know where to look, you can find the extreme markdowns posted on social media.
@brainmist @PhysAssist
Nice!
All dogs are good dogs and that’s why none would ever use “AI”.
@DrunkCat I hate the continued prevalence of AI as much as everyone else but I don’t think making the same comment about it every day is going to do anything.
@DrunkCat @PooltoyWolf
And “AI” as a bogeyman is pretty shortsighted.
@PooltoyWolf So? That’s Meh’s problem not mine.
@chienfou @PooltoyWolf Not as shortsighted, wasteful and polluting tech that’s desperately looking for a use case. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-25/ai-needs-so-much-power-that-old-coal-plants-are-sticking-around
@chienfou @DrunkCat Full disclosure: I hate the constant pushing of AI onto and into everything in the consumer world with a passion (no one actually needs an AI washing machine or bird bath or pin) but constantly harping about it every day in places where people are generally discussing other topics doesn’t really help anyone or change minds. A dedicated topic/thread about it would probably do much better.
@chienfou @PooltoyWolf go for it
@DrunkCat @PooltoyWolf
Good luck next time you use a search engine if you’re 100‰ against using AI.
@chienfou @PooltoyWolf Definitely a reminder of how much “AI” is garbage. At best unhelpful at worst extraordinarily wrong.
@DrunkCat @PooltoyWolf
So I take it you don’t ever bother using one?
@chienfou @PooltoyWolf What? Why?
@DrunkCat @PooltoyWolf
If you know the results will be crap why would you?
@chienfou @PooltoyWolf Why would I what? It’s not like you get a choice. It’s just Google’s desperate need to find a use-case. That’s why it gets shoved everywhere and anywhere regardless if you choose it or not.
@DrunkCat @PooltoyWolf
Why would you use it (search engine powered by AI)?
So if it’s never useful why use it?
The first thing that drew my eye when loading the page was the bag that said “Better Brat” and my first thought was “I didn’t realize kink-specific snacks were a thing.”
I will never understand the need to market “emulated meats” do a dog. Burgers, Brats, and Chicken when it’s all the same chickpea and yam meal inside? Just call them “Dog Treats” - paying for 4 different packages for the same content is stupid.
Unless, of course, you’re no smarter than your dog I suppose…
@Pufferfishy
Hint: They’re not marketing to the dogs- they’re marketing to the dog’s owners/guardians.
Why else are cat foods fish or star-shaped and multicolored?
OTH, I think you may have missed the [at least purported] flavor differences, which do make a difference- to our dogs at least.
While they are pretty much food-driven and will readily take and eat [actually devour] a lot of things we decide to hand them [except lettuce, celery, and tomato for instance], they do evidence some strong individual preferences for flavors- although bacon is an especially popular one with all of our pack.
@PhysAssist Max eats anything but “leafy greens” - we’ve been “bulking up” his food with veggies since he was a pup (he was getting a bit plump, but simply reducing his food left him ravenous all the time - enter carrots and green beans). And his treats are simple air-fryer dehydrated yams - he loves them.
This dog eats healthier than we do.
Toilet seat cover doubles as a hat for the fashion-forward, and a “mostly” furniture/nick-knack safe indoor Frisbee.
@Pufferfishy
What a cutie pie!
Ours eat well too, and in addition to what we feed them, they have also eaten virtually all of the plants in ‘their yard’, except for the burdocks- which were so huge, I had to cut them down with a scythe and haul them out to our burn pile with the front-end loader on our tractor.
Let’s do some math! I want to know how many treats/bag. For the burger: 3,048 kcal/kg. That’s the same as 3.05 kcal/g. Each treat is 6 kcal. Tiny bit of rounding (cause it’s early)…each treat is 2g. That’s pretty small! How small? Each bag contains 170g. So, that is 85 treats/bag. Can anyone confirm?
@giorgitd nerd
@giorgitd @user87647985
You say that like it’s a bad thing…
@giorgitd @PhysAssist @user87647985
Math looks right to me…
@chienfou @PhysAssist @user87647985 Ah, I was aiming for confirmation from someone with a bag of this stuff in their dog pantry.
@giorgitd @PhysAssist @user87647985
Of course if you get 12 bags at 85 a piece that’s about a thousand (very small) treats!
My neighbor’s dog eats poop. Any poop flavored?
@eeterrific
Pro tip: don’t let the neighbor’s dog lick you after having snacks.
@eeterrific
One of our dogs eats the one of the other’s poo, unless we catch him at it.
We have been covering her poo with ashes from the woodstove to deter this, but we have to watch for her to deposit it and cover it before he can get to it first- which is sometimes difficult.
We do have an antiseptic mouth-spray that we dose him with when he comes back in, unless we know for sure that he hasn’t partaken of the forbidden ‘treats’. But we still don’t tolerate him licking us.
Has anyone had any luck with any deterrents to their dog’s habit of coprophagia?
My brief review via Google showed that the most commonly recommended remedy is supplements containing glutamic acid and/or yucca to maker the offending ‘treat’ taste offensive, although, given that it is poo, one would think it already should be pretty offensive.
However, the Amazon reviews of some of the top-ranked “solutions” are at best about 45-50% positive in regard to changing the unwanted behavior, so IDK what else to try.
@PhysAssist Sorry, i didn’t see this until now, but short of going out with them every time to supervise, which isn’t very convenient, you could always try a basket muzzle whenever they’re out by themselves, in hopes that it might break the habit. Although, they can be pretty persistent, as you’ve unfortunately discovered. If you use a muzzle, some dogs need a bit of time to acclimate to it before they stop trying to remove it, etc. If that’s the case, putting it on for short periods around the house & using treats or other distractions to make it a positive experience can help. Whatever you decide to try, good luck!
@ircon96
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
We’re still trying to decide which course to try next.
These would be a great donation to your local dog shelter or foster rescue program. Adopt don’t shop!
too good for my dogs
what is a plant-based dog
Meh, cheap dog treats for the win.
/image reflective limber eye
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