Fortunately Santa and I like exactly the same foods. Makes it very easy.
When I was a little kid I made a pot holder for Mrs. Claus. I learned later my mother was frantic who she could give it to where I wouldn’t find out - ever mind that she wanted to keep it and use it but couldn’t figure out how to pull that off.
Went a little overboard on options this year, Santa is sharing with the two of us. Oberweis egg nog, Aldi egg nog (white wine), Evan Williams egg nog (bourbon), Christkindl Apple punch, mulled gluhwein, mulled cider, Winter Jack cider, and really good hot cocoa.
Still have a bottle of mead too…
Maybe set out a flight of them for him to sample (and then we finish all the open bottles
We also have brown butter chocolate chip cookies and Monster cookies for his perusal.
@mike808 Doesn’t do any good here - there’s an eviction moratorium in this state that the gov just extended into spring. Oddly, there was no moratorium on paying the property taxes or mortgage on the rental. Must have been an oversight.
there was no moratorium on paying the property taxes or mortgage on the rental
Yeah I kind of wondered how the owners of especially just a couple of houses were going to survive with no financial aid to them. Then the renters will get evicted due to foreclosure. Hardest hit would be those whose entire income is derived from the rent or those whose jobs don’t pay enough for them to be able to pay the mortgages on their properties without at least some rent.
@Kidsandliz@macromeh
Then again, buying real estate to generate rental income is an investment, and a business. Like all investments and businesses, there is no guarantee of success. Just like the tenants who can lose their jobs in “right-to-work” (for less) in “at-will” employment states are expected to have saved for “hard times”, why would we not expect the same of landlords?
If landlords can’t weather their property not generating income, whether the tenant can’t pay in this extraordinary circumstance, or whether the property goes empty and unleased, then maybe they shouldn’t be in the property management business. Not all investments are successful, nor are all businesses.
Why should property owners who don’t create jobs with their “business”, and are merely an extraction industry where the “resource” is the tenant, be afforded any special dispensation?
Maybe their tenants could actually buy their homes if the rental and real estate industry didn’t inflate prices to start with because there has been no systemic institutional risk of loss baked in by lobbyists and land-owning politicians that wrote the laws to preserve that industry, dating back to the first Constitutional Convention.
If landlords have to take a haircut or eat losses, then so be it. Everyone else is, they should not be exempt. Same for corporations, since they’re people now too, according to the activist judges stacking SCOTUS.
The population of landlords suffering as a result is far, far lower than the population of their tenants. If you have to pick which survives, economically, I’m with the tenants who contribute more as a whole to our society and tax base than corporate real estate management companies.
I’d go further and subsidize ways for tenants to have first right-to-own and direct financing with bridge mortgage vouchers for one’s first and primary home only, and disqualified entirely if you own multiple homes, rental or not.
@macromeh@mike808 Except corporations seem to have ended up with the lion’s share of help to businesses.
Also if the house goes into default because the landlord can’t pay the mortgage then the tenants will be out on the street anyway. Likely sooner since it is only evictions protected not bank repossession of the house and usually the bank then gets rid of the tenants. I think evictions (could be wrong) based on non payment of rent are the only kind of eviction protected- not property changed ownership and tenants aren’t welcomed by the new owner.
EDIT - I do agree you shouldn’t go into the landlord business if you can’t weather an empty property. The trouble here is that (besides what I already talked about) is that someone who is working maybe can afford two or three houses even if they stand empty temporarily, if they are laid off too then they likely can’t.
@mike808 Spoken like someone with no skin in the game. Sure, riding economic down times is part of the deal. But this is an artificial burden imposed by an edict from the governor. If I could evict the non-paying tenant (which was part of the contract when I became a landlord), there is a line of people who could pay waiting to move in. Failing some kind of government bailout, by spring I will be out 9 months of unpaid rent, which I don’t expect to ever see repaid. Meanwhile, as previously noted, my expenses have continued. So, how much of the societal burden is my family expected to cover? And, just out of curiosity, how much of it have you personally covered?
@macromeh It’s not a contest of who suffered more. Are you saying your economic situation should take priority over a family who has lost a wagearner due to COVID? Do you know why your tenant has prioritized, say eating or medicine over helping you make your mortgage payment that you knew was a risk? Are you willing to take a portion in rent or are you insisting you be made whole in all of this? I also think the shareholders of REITS and lenders ought to take a cut out of their part in this.
Basically, you were lied to by the party in power that the COVID response and managing the economy was going to be a quick recovery and no big deal. And they hung you out to dry for it. Just like millions of other Americans. Find a way, like your tenants will be forced to find a way to live when you evict them. But hey, better them than you, right?
You sound like someone that feels entitled to be at the front of the line for no other reason than as long as it is someone else suffering in this, you have no interest in sharing any part of the impact and suffering. And who, exactly is going to make you whole if you eat the income? The taxpayers (like me?) Bezos? The Carlyle Group? Trump’s $750 contribution to the treasury? The Kushners? Corporations that have benefitted the most and contributed the least?
People’s healthcare, sustenance, home, and job availability are unapologetically my view of the societal priority over an individual’s accumulation of wealth. All day, every day.
@mike808 Jeez, with your free and easy ideas for allocating other people’s money, someone might think you’re one of those mush-brained socialists.
Look, I already said I don’t expect to see any of the unpaid rent. I just think that after carrying the non-paying tenant (who has cut off all communication, btw) for 9 months, it would be time to cut the cord and let someone else suckle her for a while. I have a family to support too and, despite what you may have cooked up in your fevered imagination, I am not some evil rich slumlord. Alas, I don’t light my cigars with $100s - I have to settle for $5s and $10s like a commoner. And I only soak my feet in domestic champagne.
There is some whispering of financial assistance to landlords and tenants in the state, and I would happily settle for any fractional amount of my losses. But considering our (D)-bag governor (who really only cares about her cronies in Portland), I doubt that any spare change that happened to drop out of their pockets and roll downhill would make it to little guys like me.
@mike808 You are assuming that @macromeh doesn’t also have expenses. While s/he said they had enough savings to pay the mortgage without rent, the no eviction rules are made off the backs of others where they too may have lost their jobs and are having to decided between, say, medicine and food. Landlords aren’t somehow exempt from being otherwise affected by covid. And I do think there is a difference between a corporation that rents out and individuals. If the corporation goes bankrupt the owners still get to keep their own house and stuff as they aren’t personally liable for the debt. If a sole proprietor landlord goes bankrupt they can (metaphorically speaking) lose the shirt off their children’s backs (not to mention their own house) as personal assets aren’t protected for them as they are for most other legal forms of business structure.
Some “wet wipes” to clean-up after his reindeer! Sorry Santa. If I have to clean-up after my one dog… you can certainly clean-up after your eight (plus Rudolph) reindeer! Maybe you can give that job to a new elf. Break him in right!
@earlyre “Hey kids, you know how your auntie can’t drink milk because she’s lactose intolerant? I just found out that Santa is too so we can’t leave milk out anymore. His elves say that bourbon would be the best alternative so this is Santa’s glass of Jack.”
If you leave Santa some Pappy van Winkle you might just get extra nice presents too.
@katbyter On ebay you can sometimes buy plates like this. The originals were made in the late 40’s and early 50’s. There were Lillian Vernon repos (colors less rich, fewer colors, wider brush strokes) made in the 80’s. I have some family ones (the originals and bought a repo on ebay)
If you like them search on ebay (none at the moment as I just searched) Hand painted Italy snow winter plate (use only snow or winter so you’d need to search twice). Plates have raised snow flakes (paint is raised too like oil paintings are) and are thicker sort of like stoneware is.
Only make fruitcake cookies for the holidays, and Santa. They’re not what you’d think. We call them fruitcrack cookies, they’re so good. 5 ingredients, no eggs, and can be eaten raw. The kids love when its time to make them.
gasp
Your name isn’t Carl???
@RiotDemon
/giphy shocked
Trojans…gonna be a long night
@somf69 man… that Santa and his ho ho ho’s.
Fortunately Santa and I like exactly the same foods. Makes it very easy.
When I was a little kid I made a pot holder for Mrs. Claus. I learned later my mother was frantic who she could give it to where I wouldn’t find out - ever mind that she wanted to keep it and use it but couldn’t figure out how to pull that off.
@Kidsandliz what a coincidence. Santa and I like the same drinks!
@carl669
Went a little overboard on options this year, Santa is sharing with the two of us. Oberweis egg nog, Aldi egg nog (white wine), Evan Williams egg nog (bourbon), Christkindl Apple punch, mulled gluhwein, mulled cider, Winter Jack cider, and really good hot cocoa.
Still have a bottle of mead too…
Maybe set out a flight of them for him to sample (and then we finish all the open bottles
We also have brown butter chocolate chip cookies and Monster cookies for his perusal.
@duodec it’s nice to give Santa options.
A sink full of dishes and a hamper full of laundry.
@ThunderChicken YES
Eviction notices to drop off at the tenants, since he’s headed there anyway.
@mike808 Doesn’t do any good here - there’s an eviction moratorium in this state that the gov just extended into spring. Oddly, there was no moratorium on paying the property taxes or mortgage on the rental. Must have been an oversight.
@macromeh @mike808
Yeah I kind of wondered how the owners of especially just a couple of houses were going to survive with no financial aid to them. Then the renters will get evicted due to foreclosure. Hardest hit would be those whose entire income is derived from the rent or those whose jobs don’t pay enough for them to be able to pay the mortgages on their properties without at least some rent.
@Kidsandliz @macromeh
Then again, buying real estate to generate rental income is an investment, and a business. Like all investments and businesses, there is no guarantee of success. Just like the tenants who can lose their jobs in “right-to-work” (for less) in “at-will” employment states are expected to have saved for “hard times”, why would we not expect the same of landlords?
If landlords can’t weather their property not generating income, whether the tenant can’t pay in this extraordinary circumstance, or whether the property goes empty and unleased, then maybe they shouldn’t be in the property management business. Not all investments are successful, nor are all businesses.
Why should property owners who don’t create jobs with their “business”, and are merely an extraction industry where the “resource” is the tenant, be afforded any special dispensation?
Maybe their tenants could actually buy their homes if the rental and real estate industry didn’t inflate prices to start with because there has been no systemic institutional risk of loss baked in by lobbyists and land-owning politicians that wrote the laws to preserve that industry, dating back to the first Constitutional Convention.
If landlords have to take a haircut or eat losses, then so be it. Everyone else is, they should not be exempt. Same for corporations, since they’re people now too, according to the activist judges stacking SCOTUS.
The population of landlords suffering as a result is far, far lower than the population of their tenants. If you have to pick which survives, economically, I’m with the tenants who contribute more as a whole to our society and tax base than corporate real estate management companies.
I’d go further and subsidize ways for tenants to have first right-to-own and direct financing with bridge mortgage vouchers for one’s first and primary home only, and disqualified entirely if you own multiple homes, rental or not.
@macromeh @mike808 Except corporations seem to have ended up with the lion’s share of help to businesses.
Also if the house goes into default because the landlord can’t pay the mortgage then the tenants will be out on the street anyway. Likely sooner since it is only evictions protected not bank repossession of the house and usually the bank then gets rid of the tenants. I think evictions (could be wrong) based on non payment of rent are the only kind of eviction protected- not property changed ownership and tenants aren’t welcomed by the new owner.
EDIT - I do agree you shouldn’t go into the landlord business if you can’t weather an empty property. The trouble here is that (besides what I already talked about) is that someone who is working maybe can afford two or three houses even if they stand empty temporarily, if they are laid off too then they likely can’t.
@mike808 Spoken like someone with no skin in the game. Sure, riding economic down times is part of the deal. But this is an artificial burden imposed by an edict from the governor. If I could evict the non-paying tenant (which was part of the contract when I became a landlord), there is a line of people who could pay waiting to move in. Failing some kind of government bailout, by spring I will be out 9 months of unpaid rent, which I don’t expect to ever see repaid. Meanwhile, as previously noted, my expenses have continued. So, how much of the societal burden is my family expected to cover? And, just out of curiosity, how much of it have you personally covered?
@macromeh It’s not a contest of who suffered more. Are you saying your economic situation should take priority over a family who has lost a wagearner due to COVID? Do you know why your tenant has prioritized, say eating or medicine over helping you make your mortgage payment that you knew was a risk? Are you willing to take a portion in rent or are you insisting you be made whole in all of this? I also think the shareholders of REITS and lenders ought to take a cut out of their part in this.
Basically, you were lied to by the party in power that the COVID response and managing the economy was going to be a quick recovery and no big deal. And they hung you out to dry for it. Just like millions of other Americans. Find a way, like your tenants will be forced to find a way to live when you evict them. But hey, better them than you, right?
You sound like someone that feels entitled to be at the front of the line for no other reason than as long as it is someone else suffering in this, you have no interest in sharing any part of the impact and suffering. And who, exactly is going to make you whole if you eat the income? The taxpayers (like me?) Bezos? The Carlyle Group? Trump’s $750 contribution to the treasury? The Kushners? Corporations that have benefitted the most and contributed the least?
People’s healthcare, sustenance, home, and job availability are unapologetically my view of the societal priority over an individual’s accumulation of wealth. All day, every day.
@mike808 Jeez, with your free and easy ideas for allocating other people’s money, someone might think you’re one of those mush-brained socialists.
Look, I already said I don’t expect to see any of the unpaid rent. I just think that after carrying the non-paying tenant (who has cut off all communication, btw) for 9 months, it would be time to cut the cord and let someone else suckle her for a while. I have a family to support too and, despite what you may have cooked up in your fevered imagination, I am not some evil rich slumlord. Alas, I don’t light my cigars with $100s - I have to settle for $5s and $10s like a commoner. And I only soak my feet in domestic champagne.
There is some whispering of financial assistance to landlords and tenants in the state, and I would happily settle for any fractional amount of my losses. But considering our (D)-bag governor (who really only cares about her cronies in Portland), I doubt that any spare change that happened to drop out of their pockets and roll downhill would make it to little guys like me.
@mike808 You are assuming that @macromeh doesn’t also have expenses. While s/he said they had enough savings to pay the mortgage without rent, the no eviction rules are made off the backs of others where they too may have lost their jobs and are having to decided between, say, medicine and food. Landlords aren’t somehow exempt from being otherwise affected by covid. And I do think there is a difference between a corporation that rents out and individuals. If the corporation goes bankrupt the owners still get to keep their own house and stuff as they aren’t personally liable for the debt. If a sole proprietor landlord goes bankrupt they can (metaphorically speaking) lose the shirt off their children’s backs (not to mention their own house) as personal assets aren’t protected for them as they are for most other legal forms of business structure.
Bear traps
Some “wet wipes” to clean-up after his reindeer! Sorry Santa. If I have to clean-up after my one dog… you can certainly clean-up after your eight (plus Rudolph) reindeer! Maybe you can give that job to a new elf. Break him in right!
i always said i would tell my kids that to help get on next years good list, you should leave him pizza and beer.
but here i am, 41, with no kids…
@earlyre “Hey kids, you know how your auntie can’t drink milk because she’s lactose intolerant? I just found out that Santa is too so we can’t leave milk out anymore. His elves say that bourbon would be the best alternative so this is Santa’s glass of Jack.”
If you leave Santa some Pappy van Winkle you might just get extra nice presents too.
Begg Nog.
1 shot of Irish cream, 2 shots spiced rum, 6oz. your favorite egg nog. Garnish with nutmeg powder.
A fifth of Jack and a pack of smokes!
Whatever snacks I feel like eating Christmas Eve.
Cookies for Santa and carrots for the reindeer.
Almond spritz cookies. We only make them at Christmas. I had a special cookie plate, but misplaced it a few years ago. Very sad missing it.
@katbyter On ebay you can sometimes buy plates like this. The originals were made in the late 40’s and early 50’s. There were Lillian Vernon repos (colors less rich, fewer colors, wider brush strokes) made in the 80’s. I have some family ones (the originals and bought a repo on ebay)
If you like them search on ebay (none at the moment as I just searched) Hand painted Italy snow winter plate (use only snow or winter so you’d need to search twice). Plates have raised snow flakes (paint is raised too like oil paintings are) and are thicker sort of like stoneware is.
@katbyter This is similar; maybe look further on this site?
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https://www.replacements.com/china-noble-excellence-twas-the-night-before-christmas/c/243559
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@katbyter Oh, I think this is the exact one you’ve got!!! https://www.replacements.com/china-noble-excellence-twas-the-night-before-christmas/c/243559
@katbyter @Kidsandliz
I think if you use this eBay search, you can avoid the extra step:
hand painted Italy (snow,winter) plate
@compunaut @katbyter I didn’t realize that was a “command” in searching. Useful to know!! Thanks!
@Kyeh That’s the one – Thank you!! I got it at a thrift store years ago. I had no idea it was a whole series.
@katbyter It’s a pretty cool set! I’m tempted to get one plate like yours…
Only make fruitcake cookies for the holidays, and Santa. They’re not what you’d think. We call them fruitcrack cookies, they’re so good. 5 ingredients, no eggs, and can be eaten raw. The kids love when its time to make them.