I don’t have an Apple anymore because they’re memory hogs. I have friends constantly asking me to help them free up space…as if I have the magic answer. I just tell them to get an Android phone.
@rhcurry02 My colleague has 128 GB of storage total on his MacBook. He wouldn’t believe me when I told him my phone has 264 GB total, and my laptop has 4 TB.
HATE! Apple is the most paranoid company I’ve ever seen and it’s iTunes is very cumbersome to use if you can get it to work at all… the only reason my son has an iPad is cause apple makes you put in a password TO download games even free games
@ragingredd I hate iTunes. I can plug in my android into any computer and it mounts like a drive and I can transfer files to and from the device. Can’t do that with an iPhone.
Price. I have never owned an Apple product because of this. I did use a Machintosh in school and it seemed nice. Not worth $1000+ nice though. Plus there’s some kind of smugness around it that doesn’t make me want to touch an iPod, iPad,etc.
@JT954
I am always surprised when people I know spend $800+ on a new phone. I spent less than that on my workstation (72GB RAM, 2 Xeon processors, etc.) which I spent a week deciding whether to buy.
The only way that can be justified is if your career or business relies on a specific platform.
That their products are not repairable. They do not sell replacement parts and refuse to repair it after 4 years. Even during warranty periods, they only do swapouts so you always lose your data.
If you have to do a motherboard repair, the SMC is nearly impossible to replace because it’s a part you cannot buy anywhere and even scrap computers you salvage components from usually have the SMC blown too.
I hate how loyal their fanbase is despite having an inferior product. Its not that they’re inferior per se, but they typically use last gen hardware and watered down specs in their products, but they charge twice as much as anyone else selling products with equal specs.
I honestly don’t think Apple would be around anymore if it wasn’t for the lobbying in the education system to get their products into publicly funded schools. Chromebooks would work just as well and cost a lot less.
@Ignorant Not “both sides”. Apple, Windows, Android, and Linux all have their obnoxious fanboys.
Computers and phones are tools. If they do what you want to do, that’s all that truly matters.
I think a larger percentage of Apple users are. They seem to think that owning a Mac or an iPhone makes them cool.
The additional features on iPhones are incremental, but, hey, as soon as a new one comes out, the one you stood in line last year isn’t doing what you need a phone to do, so you stand in line for the new one.
It’s nutty.
I use use at home and work. I am not a “Windows person”.
I’ve got a few Raspberry Pis and clones running Linux. I am not a “Linux person”.
I’ve got an Android phone, which I like, but I can’t say it’s better than any other, because I don’t use any other. And I am not an “Android person”.
I’ve got an eleven-year-old iPod Nano that still works great (and looks great, with an extruded aluminum case), which I just recently retired because it doesn’t support the newer Audible format and won’t whispersync with Kindle.
I’ve got a Canon camera and have had a series of them over the last twenty years or so. I’m sure Nikon cameras are fine, but I’ve got enough money in lenses that I stick with Canon.
None of these brand names define who I am. They are just tools that I use.
You just don’t see as much of that with Apple users. They can’t help saying “buy a Mac!” when someone mentions some problem they’re having with Windows.
I do think the company Apple is marketing to suckers, but they don’t force anyone to buy them. And I know intelligent, skilled people who have bought their laptops since they switched to a Unix variant.
@dashcloud Less secondary market means less “so-called-refurbs” out there where they couldn’t control the process and more value to their own bottom line. It’s definitely anti-consumer, but I see their point also.
I’m pretty locked in to Apple’s software. (And like it, TBH.)
They refuse to sell a good developer laptop (their “Pro” line really being a thin and light), and all of their computers (and phones) have hardware compromises that I don’t want to make.
I can’t buy a product from Apple that I actually want, at any price.
@InnocuousFarmer This. I have hung on to my 17" laptop (last of the line) and upgraded it (let me upgrade my computers!) with SSD and RAM. Same with my MacPro tower - upgraded to internal SSD (on a PCI card for the best speed), Nvidia 980 Ti graphics card, and a lot of extra memory. Blows the trash can away.
And how about a battery upgrade option? And how about… well, why not just tap out an abridged list of greviences I have against Apple’s most recent laptop. (I finally upgraded, grudgingly, after spending minutes at a time every day waiting on my old and beloved MacBook’s CPU, and always pushing against its 8 gigs max of RAM.)
They compromised on the keyboard, of all things. I’m a month in, and starting to get used to it, but I think I’m another month or two from building up enough muscle memory to compensate for its utter lack of any features you can navigate by feel, especially on those arrow keys, and around the 90-= area… it hurt my fingers to type on this damn thing until I built up muscle memory for its tiny key travel.
Not having an Escape key suuuuuuuucks.
This wider gamut display: everything is over saturated. Apple modified Safari to default to an SRGB color space for untagged images, but there’s no way software in general is going to be fixed up likewise. I’m kind of shocked that Apple didn’t set up a facility for per-application settings. What were they thinking?
The absence of USB-A ports is an obvious problem. The lack of upgrades means that you have to pay a premium now (and a big one) for storage or RAM you might need later. (Oh wait, I forgot. You can’t pay for more RAM.) The battery life is so-so if you do anything other than edit text. The Touchbar gets in your way more than it helps, and there’s not enough configurability in it to take advantage of its few advantages (at least with my usage patterns).
At least I’ve got a modern CPU now, though. And at least I can Bluetooth my phone or whatever the fuck.
@InnocuousFarmer One of the guys in one of my classes was using one of the new MacBooks with the Touch Bar. I asked him how much he liked the Touch Bar and was quickly returned with “It’s useless”. It was kind of funny, actually.
I get bugged by how lawsuit prone they are, refusal to pay debt they owe for licenses, try to shut down companies who have valid concerns, and try to patent anything that stands still long enough for them to see it even a slightly blurry way.
Also the way they claim to invent stuff, like claiming to create cloud technology… that was a great one. They straight up steal other technology and then patent it, turning around to sue the actual creators. Just all in all, their business policy would fit in more with loan sharks and mafia than the actual business world.
Apple blows. If you have 1000’s of dollars to throw in a fire every 6months to a year then by all means go for it. But no really, i cant stand the fact that you have to be 100% apple or not at all, other wise shit doesnt sync up properly and you cant get the most out of your expensive piece of plastic and metal. The only thing I cant complain about is the fact of how everything syncs automaticly with no issues when you are within the respectable distance.
Why was price not on the list??? The “premium” put on their stuff because of their name is what I object to most. Second most is removing useful bits well before most of us are ready to do without - thus forcing us to buy the item back as an add on (for example back in the day floppy drives and now CD/DVD drives, or in the case of their new phone, of which I do not have one, ear bud ports…). All of us are not first adopters.
I’m an Apple Fanboy, I guess, but I’m quite happy with my various array of Apple Products. I’m sitting here at a MacBook Pro, with an iPad, iPhone, and Apple Watch all arrayed in front of me (I’m charging my Watch after sleeping with it), and connecting to the Internets via an Apple Time Capsule.
Heck, I even bought those Apple AirPods a while back.
I’ve got some complaints, though. Mostly around update cycles. There’s no good reason why we haven’t gotten new iPads, new iMacs, and a new Mac Pro yet. Someone really dropped the damn ball on that.
Yeah, their stuff is more expensive. Yeah, if you’ve got a bunch of USB-A devices, getting a new MacBook Pro is going to involve Dongle Hell. I get it. I can see how taking out the headphone port on the phone is frustrating too, even though I’ve been using Bluetooth headphones exclusively for the last couple years—and I haven’t even upgraded to the headphone port free iPhone yet.
But, generally, their stuff just works, it works well, and there’s less need to futz around with stuff, which is why I switched from Linux in the first place. But you folks do you.
@sanspoint I’d argue that you do not “get it”, because you are comfortably nestled in the spaces between the spikes that make up the iron maiden of being an Apple customer.
Apple’s “arrogant”, in that they know that they are big enough to dictate terms to their customers and partners.
Some group of their customers, yourself inclusive, it sounds like, hear those terms, and think “sounds good to me”. Some other group of customers (including me) hear the terms, call them a shit sandwich, but still like them better than the other shit sandwiches.
And then there are the set of people who are not Apple customers, who really don’t get it, because they are even father from the relevant issues.
Some other group of customers (including me) hear the terms, call them a shit sandwich, but still like them better than the other shit sandwiches.
I own a nice 6s plus iphone (which I quite enjoy using, it’s incredibly smooth), and a few old non-touch iPods, which I adore.
The only other apple thing I’ve ever owned I can remember was an early1990’s laptop (got thru freecycle in 2006 or 2007) that was a gas to mess with, and two iPads (last year’s, gifts) that I never use. (Nothing wrong with them - just rarely use tablets for anything but video.) The iPads are lovely to use, of course, when I mess with them.
So I really don’t care. Also own decent android phones, so all the serious file and text stuff happens on android, the browsing happens on iOS.
And iTunes - I don’t have words for how bad it is.
But … shit sandwiches. Hmmm. I eat some with apple’s image and attitude and pricing and and less-than-optimal hardware and nanny-devices.
Android - everyone gets my data.
Windows - I almost never boot it, for reasons like big-corp spyware bad as google’s, but without at least the fastboot and lack of bloat garbage to compensate.
And then there’s my cell company, and insurance companies, and bank and credit card companies, and all the companies associated with having a pulse, having utilities, or owning property; and the airlines and hotels and the Uber TOS and everyone else’s TOS. And the apps and their TOSs.
And the local, state, federal agencies that lie to me and sell my data. And the political parties that don’t make me want to gag, and those that do. And so forth.
Linux … if only. I should, I should.
I’m eating a lot of shit sandwiches around here nowadays. Apple is the least of it, for all their preening and all their faults.
And iTunes - I don’t have words for how bad it is.
Maybe it’s Stockholm Syndrome, or something, but I… like iTunes.
I don’t love iTunes, but I like it. It organizes my MP3s and videos. It plays them. It syncs them to my phone. It lets me buy music from the iTunes store.
Now, I have had issues with all the cloud crap like iTunes Match and iCloud Music Library, but I also have a gigantic, anally tagged MP3 collection with specifically chosen releases and remasters, so I am the edgiest of edge cases for all the cloud crap.
But for playback of local files, it’s good. And I like the grid view for browsing my library, 'cause I’m visually orientated like that.
I’m always curious how other people who hate iTunes use it, because as someone who generally just listens to albums or the occasional playlist, it’s… fine.
(The Music app on iOS, on the other hand, has been a shitshow since iOS 7. I use a replacement app called Cesium instead.)
@sanspoint
The iTunes look is both functional and gorgeous, assuming it still looks like it did 2-3 years ago when I last used it for some reason.
It’s a decent ripper. Throws less errors that some alts.
If only itunes ran like it looks. I’ve never run it on a mac. On win iTunes sucks beyond all possible conceptions of suckage. And it doesn’t or didn’t entirely “behave”.
And my music devices - apart from the iPod classic which I use for the huge pile of ultra-fav audiobooks already loaded - are not Apple devices. No reason to sync there. The iPod classic device stays as is.
And I hate “syncing” unless it’s ultra fast and with completely transparent everything under my control, and works on every device or OS released, ever.
And on many devices you can’t browse or shop w/out iTunes. And with some devices, what good is your iTunes library unless you do the PITA of importing?
Huh. Wonder why my iTunes purchase library contains maybe 20 things max?
And I never used Itunes to organize audio, just to load it into I-devices. When I organize stuff I want SW that works with everything, does everything, syncs w everything if syncing is a goal, and speed-runs like the coders wrote and compiled 10 lines of code, max.
@f00l Oh, oh, yeah, if you’re on Windows, yeah… I’m sure it’s a painful experience. In no small part because it basically runs in emulation: it was written using very old Apple APIs, and part of the overhead on Windows is translating those APIs. Frustrating.
@sanspoint
I stopped being into Windows some years ago. I own a few semi-current laptops, and a few older desktops, but I might power up a Win machine twice a year. Or less.
And if Apple wanted people on Win and other non-Apple platforms to like Itunes, they should have written Itunes to run well on those platforms. They didn’t. Non Apple-users noticed.
@sanspoint “But, generally, their stuff just works, it works well, and there’s less need to futz around with stuff”
If you are talking about Linux or some other Unix variant, then, fair enough, that’s a reasonable complaint.
But if you are talking about Windows, then you are just repeating the old Apple fanboy line.
Windows computers that come with everything installed just work, no futzing about.
Sometimes their futzing, when, for example, building one’s own computer, installing a high end video card, etc., but not much or often, and, look, those things are possible.
…that Apple has lost their way. In the early days, they were big on accessibility and usability. And while there are lingering traces of that today, the modern Apple as all about aesthetics, which is actually a different thing.
@Wormwood I know where you’re coming from on that.
At least in terms of the software, they’re pulling back from aesthetics and more towards usability again (thankfully). There’s still some issues with the iOS 10 UI, but it’s come a long way from iOS 7 in terms of usability and understandability. Discovery of interactions remains a problem, but I don’t think it’s any worse on iOS than it is on Android or other touch-first UIs.
There’s also stuff they need to fix on MacOS from the UI refresh in Yosemite, especially around translucency and clarity of controls. But I am seeing (slow) movement on that front since Yosemite came out.
@f00l I am a long term mac user and not lost in space - starting with the 128K machine many years ago. Back then the choices were that, PC junior and the apple 2E or something like that. The Mac was a hands down, no brainer winner. I still use a Mac. I went from 128K to Mac classic to G3 (along with that G3 laptop I built from 2 broken ones and only had 2 screws left over LOL- oh also had the first laptop they came out with using work money) to MacPro to MacAir (I still want a desktop with a big screen).
I also had a work Lenovo laptop (and had to buy a used one not so long ago to run a program that only runs on it I was required to use - still have windows 7 on it), and some Windows desk top at two other places of work.
I have had far fewer problems with my Mac than any other other machines.
@Kidsandliz
Yeah, and we all know that your soul is long long long long long gone. Plus, you have an association with academia. So you’re really a difficult and tragic case.
You sayin’ something? Hard to make out. You kinda sound a lot like an Apple-Zombie when you talk.
Apple-Zombies have somewhat discriminating tastes, though. They only eat Cupertino Brainz.
Mine was the last one minus the first one. My family are Apple owners and my parental figures are Samsung owners. To send text and videos of our child/their grand child’s racing and swimming events the two coexist easily but far as anything else btwn.the two families the sharing stops there. We’ve considered changing from Apple but we’d lose most of what we have. They have, what they call, 8 pin gb sticks but if you have a case on the phone so when you drop it, crush it in a backpack (crap now that Dora song is back in my head from the previous sell) or what have you - you can’t get the tiny little amount of 8 pin sticking out into the port unless you take off the case and that’s a pain in the ass. Plus, it doesn’t let you back up everything to it or iTunes. Plus, you can only download/transfer certain items and the other side is only able to be plugged into a USB port on a computer/laptop or what have you. So, I still have my 30 pin for the stuff that didn’t transfer over to my Air2 and then I got feed up even with the 128gb room I have there that I got a Windows Pro4. So, talk about carrying around a backpack (aww…damn it there it goes again…no, wait, now the song has been replaced with Whoop, there it goes again…still not any better) to be able to switch out all of the tablets, cords, power plugs, pencil,etc. makes me hate it all. Rant done. Song not.
@WTFsunshine Your information seems a little out of date.
With most current Android phones you can put a 32GB or larger MicroSD card in it. Nothing sticking out, and that’s a lot of storage in addition to the 32GB or 64GB that’s already in the phone.
But that’s not really necessary, since all my data is syncing regularly to Dropbox and Google Drive and Amazon Drive and Microsoft OneDrive. I don’t want anything in just one place. That’s overkill, but it’s free, and it happens without my intervention.
Syncing my phone to iTunes does require a third-party app, but it works.
I’m sure iPhones are perfectly fine. People who have them seem very happy with them. That’s great.
I can be happy with my phone without trying to find fault with someone else’s. I don’t feel the need to justify my choices.
@craigthom
I’ve seen phones with up to 128GB expandable memory. And then there is “PC Master Race” with 8TB of redundant storage.
In my case, I try to convince the people close to me to choose what is better because I want what’s best for them. I won’t stop them, but I will give them the facts, my opinion, and my advice.
@DVDBZN My mother asked me about alternatives, but I recommend she get an iPad, because my sister-in-law is in AppleLove. One of my mother’s primary uses of a tablet will be Facetiming with her granddaughters.
@WTFsunshine My Pixel’s got 4g ram and 128gb storage. I opted for the bigger storage as I am constantly out of space on my 32gb tablet and I didn’t want that hassle in a new device. I take a lot of photos and use a lot of apps.
@craigthom - my parents have Samsung but I was talking about my own family being Apple users. That was why I mentioned the tiny 8 pin not going in with a cover on. @moondrake - agree on space issue. Had an iPad 2 forever but at 32gb and the apple apps that you can’t get rid of and all the apps I use and it no longer updates past 9.?.? I caved and got the iPad Air2 with 128gb and I never owned an iPhone until this past August. When we went in to the Verizon store to get my teen his first phone I took my spouses old 5s because I was tired of people sending me emojis that I couldn’t see. Only thing I don’t own is an iPod. I also got the Windows Pro4 (I think that’s what it’s called) because I prefer Windows but not liking Windows 10. I’m definitely old school and still playing catch up. Plus, that damn upgrade to 10 wiped out and messed up a lot of stuff I had so I fall back to my really, really old laptop sometimes. So, yeah, I have gadgets and cords coming out of my ass so, for the most part, I guess Apple owns me.
@WTFsunshine Funny, an IPod is the only Apple product I’ve ever owned, if you don’t count the IPhone with a cracked screen I found in the park a few years ago. I found the Ipod unreliable and far too delicate for my uses, the indestructible Sansa Clip replaced it. I still have it around here somewhere, I haven’t charged it up for five or six years, when I had a hard drive crash and was able to recover a substantial amount of my music from it.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Fuck Apple.
/giphy apple 1984
You win, giphy, I give up
I don’t have an Apple anymore because they’re memory hogs. I have friends constantly asking me to help them free up space…as if I have the magic answer. I just tell them to get an Android phone.
@rhcurry02 My colleague has 128 GB of storage total on his MacBook. He wouldn’t believe me when I told him my phone has 264 GB total, and my laptop has 4 TB.
Just their business model in general.
HATE! Apple is the most paranoid company I’ve ever seen and it’s iTunes is very cumbersome to use if you can get it to work at all… the only reason my son has an iPad is cause apple makes you put in a password TO download games even free games
@ragingredd I hate iTunes. I can plug in my android into any computer and it mounts like a drive and I can transfer files to and from the device. Can’t do that with an iPhone.
@cengland0 Not enough stars for this comment.
I LIKE some of the Apple culture, op sys, cult, business model, etc., but iTunes is unforgivable.
Price. I have never owned an Apple product because of this. I did use a Machintosh in school and it seemed nice. Not worth $1000+ nice though. Plus there’s some kind of smugness around it that doesn’t make me want to touch an iPod, iPad,etc.
@JT954
I am always surprised when people I know spend $800+ on a new phone. I spent less than that on my workstation (72GB RAM, 2 Xeon processors, etc.) which I spent a week deciding whether to buy.
The only way that can be justified is if your career or business relies on a specific platform.
Use a Mac Pro it sucks.
That their products are not repairable. They do not sell replacement parts and refuse to repair it after 4 years. Even during warranty periods, they only do swapouts so you always lose your data.
If you have to do a motherboard repair, the SMC is nearly impossible to replace because it’s a part you cannot buy anywhere and even scrap computers you salvage components from usually have the SMC blown too.
I hate how loyal their fanbase is despite having an inferior product. Its not that they’re inferior per se, but they typically use last gen hardware and watered down specs in their products, but they charge twice as much as anyone else selling products with equal specs.
I honestly don’t think Apple would be around anymore if it wasn’t for the lobbying in the education system to get their products into publicly funded schools. Chromebooks would work just as well and cost a lot less.
@capguncowboy Back in the DOS days, Macs were easier to use. Computers were still far and few, though, both in the classroom and at home.
Windows 95 was when the tides started turning.
More and more districts are going with Chromebooks these days, BTW.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/41817339703440a49d8916c0f67d28a6
The fan boys…on both sides.
@Ignorant
Same.
@Ignorant Not “both sides”. Apple, Windows, Android, and Linux all have their obnoxious fanboys.
Computers and phones are tools. If they do what you want to do, that’s all that truly matters.
I think a larger percentage of Apple users are. They seem to think that owning a Mac or an iPhone makes them cool.
The additional features on iPhones are incremental, but, hey, as soon as a new one comes out, the one you stood in line last year isn’t doing what you need a phone to do, so you stand in line for the new one.
It’s nutty.
I use use at home and work. I am not a “Windows person”.
I’ve got a few Raspberry Pis and clones running Linux. I am not a “Linux person”.
I’ve got an Android phone, which I like, but I can’t say it’s better than any other, because I don’t use any other. And I am not an “Android person”.
I’ve got an eleven-year-old iPod Nano that still works great (and looks great, with an extruded aluminum case), which I just recently retired because it doesn’t support the newer Audible format and won’t whispersync with Kindle.
I’ve got a Canon camera and have had a series of them over the last twenty years or so. I’m sure Nikon cameras are fine, but I’ve got enough money in lenses that I stick with Canon.
None of these brand names define who I am. They are just tools that I use.
You just don’t see as much of that with Apple users. They can’t help saying “buy a Mac!” when someone mentions some problem they’re having with Windows.
I do think the company Apple is marketing to suckers, but they don’t force anyone to buy them. And I know intelligent, skilled people who have bought their laptops since they switched to a Unix variant.
I’d have to write a novel to get to everything.
@alphapeaches Would it be cheaper than theirs at least?
https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MLXF2LL/A/designed-by-apple-in-california-102-x-128-inches
@Mehsturbator these guide things were cheap relative to that back when they actually sold physical copies of 'em:
My stepmom gave me her old MacBook, when she got a new one. I formatted the drive and installed Linux Mint.
@TheCO2 That works? Neat!
Nothing about their mobile stuff except the price.
H) All of the above
@Ryaneil came looking for this option as well!
@Ryaneil That’s what I was looking for!
Attitude.
@f00l aka… smugness
The disregard they’ve had for their pro customers, and the ugly recycling policy they impose: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/apple-recycling-iphones-macbooks
@dashcloud Less secondary market means less “so-called-refurbs” out there where they couldn’t control the process and more value to their own bottom line. It’s definitely anti-consumer, but I see their point also.
I’m pretty locked in to Apple’s software. (And like it, TBH.)
They refuse to sell a good developer laptop (their “Pro” line really being a thin and light), and all of their computers (and phones) have hardware compromises that I don’t want to make.
I can’t buy a product from Apple that I actually want, at any price.
@InnocuousFarmer This. I have hung on to my 17" laptop (last of the line) and upgraded it (let me upgrade my computers!) with SSD and RAM. Same with my MacPro tower - upgraded to internal SSD (on a PCI card for the best speed), Nvidia 980 Ti graphics card, and a lot of extra memory. Blows the trash can away.
@jcbeckman Exactly what you said.
And how about a battery upgrade option? And how about… well, why not just tap out an abridged list of greviences I have against Apple’s most recent laptop. (I finally upgraded, grudgingly, after spending minutes at a time every day waiting on my old and beloved MacBook’s CPU, and always pushing against its 8 gigs max of RAM.)
They compromised on the keyboard, of all things. I’m a month in, and starting to get used to it, but I think I’m another month or two from building up enough muscle memory to compensate for its utter lack of any features you can navigate by feel, especially on those arrow keys, and around the 90-= area… it hurt my fingers to type on this damn thing until I built up muscle memory for its tiny key travel.
Not having an Escape key suuuuuuuucks.
This wider gamut display: everything is over saturated. Apple modified Safari to default to an SRGB color space for untagged images, but there’s no way software in general is going to be fixed up likewise. I’m kind of shocked that Apple didn’t set up a facility for per-application settings. What were they thinking?
The absence of USB-A ports is an obvious problem. The lack of upgrades means that you have to pay a premium now (and a big one) for storage or RAM you might need later. (Oh wait, I forgot. You can’t pay for more RAM.) The battery life is so-so if you do anything other than edit text. The Touchbar gets in your way more than it helps, and there’s not enough configurability in it to take advantage of its few advantages (at least with my usage patterns).
At least I’ve got a modern CPU now, though. And at least I can Bluetooth my phone or whatever the fuck.
@InnocuousFarmer One of the guys in one of my classes was using one of the new MacBooks with the Touch Bar. I asked him how much he liked the Touch Bar and was quickly returned with “It’s useless”. It was kind of funny, actually.
I get bugged by how lawsuit prone they are, refusal to pay debt they owe for licenses, try to shut down companies who have valid concerns, and try to patent anything that stands still long enough for them to see it even a slightly blurry way.
Also the way they claim to invent stuff, like claiming to create cloud technology… that was a great one. They straight up steal other technology and then patent it, turning around to sue the actual creators. Just all in all, their business policy would fit in more with loan sharks and mafia than the actual business world.
Apple blows. If you have 1000’s of dollars to throw in a fire every 6months to a year then by all means go for it. But no really, i cant stand the fact that you have to be 100% apple or not at all, other wise shit doesnt sync up properly and you cant get the most out of your expensive piece of plastic and metal. The only thing I cant complain about is the fact of how everything syncs automaticly with no issues when you are within the respectable distance.
@MWGuntrader
Unless you don’t want it to sync.
@DVDBZN
Why was price not on the list??? The “premium” put on their stuff because of their name is what I object to most. Second most is removing useful bits well before most of us are ready to do without - thus forcing us to buy the item back as an add on (for example back in the day floppy drives and now CD/DVD drives, or in the case of their new phone, of which I do not have one, ear bud ports…). All of us are not first adopters.
I’m an Apple Fanboy, I guess, but I’m quite happy with my various array of Apple Products. I’m sitting here at a MacBook Pro, with an iPad, iPhone, and Apple Watch all arrayed in front of me (I’m charging my Watch after sleeping with it), and connecting to the Internets via an Apple Time Capsule.
Heck, I even bought those Apple AirPods a while back.
I’ve got some complaints, though. Mostly around update cycles. There’s no good reason why we haven’t gotten new iPads, new iMacs, and a new Mac Pro yet. Someone really dropped the damn ball on that.
Yeah, their stuff is more expensive. Yeah, if you’ve got a bunch of USB-A devices, getting a new MacBook Pro is going to involve Dongle Hell. I get it. I can see how taking out the headphone port on the phone is frustrating too, even though I’ve been using Bluetooth headphones exclusively for the last couple years—and I haven’t even upgraded to the headphone port free iPhone yet.
But, generally, their stuff just works, it works well, and there’s less need to futz around with stuff, which is why I switched from Linux in the first place. But you folks do you.
@sanspoint I’d argue that you do not “get it”, because you are comfortably nestled in the spaces between the spikes that make up the iron maiden of being an Apple customer.
Apple’s “arrogant”, in that they know that they are big enough to dictate terms to their customers and partners.
Some group of their customers, yourself inclusive, it sounds like, hear those terms, and think “sounds good to me”. Some other group of customers (including me) hear the terms, call them a shit sandwich, but still like them better than the other shit sandwiches.
And then there are the set of people who are not Apple customers, who really don’t get it, because they are even father from the relevant issues.
@InnocuousFarmer said:
I own a nice 6s plus iphone (which I quite enjoy using, it’s incredibly smooth), and a few old non-touch iPods, which I adore.
The only other apple thing I’ve ever owned I can remember was an early1990’s laptop (got thru freecycle in 2006 or 2007) that was a gas to mess with, and two iPads (last year’s, gifts) that I never use. (Nothing wrong with them - just rarely use tablets for anything but video.) The iPads are lovely to use, of course, when I mess with them.
So I really don’t care. Also own decent android phones, so all the serious file and text stuff happens on android, the browsing happens on iOS.
And iTunes - I don’t have words for how bad it is.
But … shit sandwiches. Hmmm. I eat some with apple’s image and attitude and pricing and and less-than-optimal hardware and nanny-devices.
Android - everyone gets my data.
Windows - I almost never boot it, for reasons like big-corp spyware bad as google’s, but without at least the fastboot and lack of bloat garbage to compensate.
And then there’s my cell company, and insurance companies, and bank and credit card companies, and all the companies associated with having a pulse, having utilities, or owning property; and the airlines and hotels and the Uber TOS and everyone else’s TOS. And the apps and their TOSs.
And the local, state, federal agencies that lie to me and sell my data. And the political parties that don’t make me want to gag, and those that do. And so forth.
Linux … if only. I should, I should.
I’m eating a lot of shit sandwiches around here nowadays. Apple is the least of it, for all their preening and all their faults.
@f00l
Maybe it’s Stockholm Syndrome, or something, but I… like iTunes.
I don’t love iTunes, but I like it. It organizes my MP3s and videos. It plays them. It syncs them to my phone. It lets me buy music from the iTunes store.
Now, I have had issues with all the cloud crap like iTunes Match and iCloud Music Library, but I also have a gigantic, anally tagged MP3 collection with specifically chosen releases and remasters, so I am the edgiest of edge cases for all the cloud crap.
But for playback of local files, it’s good. And I like the grid view for browsing my library, 'cause I’m visually orientated like that.
I’m always curious how other people who hate iTunes use it, because as someone who generally just listens to albums or the occasional playlist, it’s… fine.
(The Music app on iOS, on the other hand, has been a shitshow since iOS 7. I use a replacement app called Cesium instead.)
@sanspoint
The iTunes look is both functional and gorgeous, assuming it still looks like it did 2-3 years ago when I last used it for some reason.
It’s a decent ripper. Throws less errors that some alts.
If only itunes ran like it looks. I’ve never run it on a mac. On win iTunes sucks beyond all possible conceptions of suckage. And it doesn’t or didn’t entirely “behave”.
And my music devices - apart from the iPod classic which I use for the huge pile of ultra-fav audiobooks already loaded - are not Apple devices. No reason to sync there. The iPod classic device stays as is.
And I hate “syncing” unless it’s ultra fast and with completely transparent everything under my control, and works on every device or OS released, ever.
And on many devices you can’t browse or shop w/out iTunes. And with some devices, what good is your iTunes library unless you do the PITA of importing?
Huh. Wonder why my iTunes purchase library contains maybe 20 things max?
And I never used Itunes to organize audio, just to load it into I-devices. When I organize stuff I want SW that works with everything, does everything, syncs w everything if syncing is a goal, and speed-runs like the coders wrote and compiled 10 lines of code, max.
@f00l Oh, oh, yeah, if you’re on Windows, yeah… I’m sure it’s a painful experience. In no small part because it basically runs in emulation: it was written using very old Apple APIs, and part of the overhead on Windows is translating those APIs. Frustrating.
@sanspoint
I stopped being into Windows some years ago. I own a few semi-current laptops, and a few older desktops, but I might power up a Win machine twice a year. Or less.
And if Apple wanted people on Win and other non-Apple platforms to like Itunes, they should have written Itunes to run well on those platforms. They didn’t. Non Apple-users noticed.
@sanspoint “But, generally, their stuff just works, it works well, and there’s less need to futz around with stuff”
If you are talking about Linux or some other Unix variant, then, fair enough, that’s a reasonable complaint.
But if you are talking about Windows, then you are just repeating the old Apple fanboy line.
Windows computers that come with everything installed just work, no futzing about.
Sometimes their futzing, when, for example, building one’s own computer, installing a high end video card, etc., but not much or often, and, look, those things are possible.
@craigthom
Exactly, I like to “futz around” with settings and hardware. I want to be able to control my computer without “breaking” it.
On the one hand, I’ve certainly never had any complaints about the Apple products I’ve owned.
On the other hand, that just means I really liked playing with the //e I got at Goodwill in 1997.
…that Apple has lost their way. In the early days, they were big on accessibility and usability. And while there are lingering traces of that today, the modern Apple as all about aesthetics, which is actually a different thing.
@Wormwood I know where you’re coming from on that.
At least in terms of the software, they’re pulling back from aesthetics and more towards usability again (thankfully). There’s still some issues with the iOS 10 UI, but it’s come a long way from iOS 7 in terms of usability and understandability. Discovery of interactions remains a problem, but I don’t think it’s any worse on iOS than it is on Android or other touch-first UIs.
There’s also stuff they need to fix on MacOS from the UI refresh in Yosemite, especially around translucency and clarity of controls. But I am seeing (slow) movement on that front since Yosemite came out.
@Wormwood System 7 was amazing. Should have stopped there.
@Wormwood on iOS, accessibility seems to be as good as ever, and judging by this article: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/david-pogue-on-iphone-voiceover-163733668.html way in front of any other mobile platform.
On Mac, I’d agree- not so much anymore.
@shawn @dave @snapster As a Mac focused company, any comments / complaints here?
@dashcloud said:
They are longtime Apple-ite users, and are therefore truly lost to space, to time, to consciousness, to humanity, or to decency.
Give up the search for their souls. Those are gone.
But we can still love them. I do.
/giphy "Apple zombie"
@f00l I am a long term mac user and not lost in space - starting with the 128K machine many years ago. Back then the choices were that, PC junior and the apple 2E or something like that. The Mac was a hands down, no brainer winner. I still use a Mac. I went from 128K to Mac classic to G3 (along with that G3 laptop I built from 2 broken ones and only had 2 screws left over LOL- oh also had the first laptop they came out with using work money) to MacPro to MacAir (I still want a desktop with a big screen).
I also had a work Lenovo laptop (and had to buy a used one not so long ago to run a program that only runs on it I was required to use - still have windows 7 on it), and some Windows desk top at two other places of work.
I have had far fewer problems with my Mac than any other other machines.
@Kidsandliz
Yeah, and we all know that your soul is long long long long long gone. Plus, you have an association with academia. So you’re really a difficult and tragic case.
You sayin’ something? Hard to make out. You kinda sound a lot like an Apple-Zombie when you talk.
Apple-Zombies have somewhat discriminating tastes, though. They only eat Cupertino Brainz.
; )
/giphy "apple zombie"
Just like the old PC or Mac debate my answer is the same:
I have both.
Each ecosystem (android, ios) has clear strong points.
My daily driver is my iphone however.
Mine was the last one minus the first one. My family are Apple owners and my parental figures are Samsung owners. To send text and videos of our child/their grand child’s racing and swimming events the two coexist easily but far as anything else btwn.the two families the sharing stops there. We’ve considered changing from Apple but we’d lose most of what we have. They have, what they call, 8 pin gb sticks but if you have a case on the phone so when you drop it, crush it in a backpack (crap now that Dora song is back in my head from the previous sell) or what have you - you can’t get the tiny little amount of 8 pin sticking out into the port unless you take off the case and that’s a pain in the ass. Plus, it doesn’t let you back up everything to it or iTunes. Plus, you can only download/transfer certain items and the other side is only able to be plugged into a USB port on a computer/laptop or what have you. So, I still have my 30 pin for the stuff that didn’t transfer over to my Air2 and then I got feed up even with the 128gb room I have there that I got a Windows Pro4. So, talk about carrying around a backpack (aww…damn it there it goes again…no, wait, now the song has been replaced with Whoop, there it goes again…still not any better) to be able to switch out all of the tablets, cords, power plugs, pencil,etc. makes me hate it all. Rant done. Song not.
@WTFsunshine Your information seems a little out of date.
With most current Android phones you can put a 32GB or larger MicroSD card in it. Nothing sticking out, and that’s a lot of storage in addition to the 32GB or 64GB that’s already in the phone.
But that’s not really necessary, since all my data is syncing regularly to Dropbox and Google Drive and Amazon Drive and Microsoft OneDrive. I don’t want anything in just one place. That’s overkill, but it’s free, and it happens without my intervention.
Syncing my phone to iTunes does require a third-party app, but it works.
I’m sure iPhones are perfectly fine. People who have them seem very happy with them. That’s great.
I can be happy with my phone without trying to find fault with someone else’s. I don’t feel the need to justify my choices.
@craigthom
I’ve seen phones with up to 128GB expandable memory. And then there is “PC Master Race” with 8TB of redundant storage.
In my case, I try to convince the people close to me to choose what is better because I want what’s best for them. I won’t stop them, but I will give them the facts, my opinion, and my advice.
@DVDBZN My mother asked me about alternatives, but I recommend she get an iPad, because my sister-in-law is in AppleLove. One of my mother’s primary uses of a tablet will be Facetiming with her granddaughters.
@WTFsunshine My Pixel’s got 4g ram and 128gb storage. I opted for the bigger storage as I am constantly out of space on my 32gb tablet and I didn’t want that hassle in a new device. I take a lot of photos and use a lot of apps.
@craigthom
Using what everyone else in the family uses means far fewer technical hassles, because someone has already figured out whatever.
@WTFsunshine
Look into OTG cables for your parents. You can hook up a USB thumb drive to them. No computer needed.
@craigthom - my parents have Samsung but I was talking about my own family being Apple users. That was why I mentioned the tiny 8 pin not going in with a cover on. @moondrake - agree on space issue. Had an iPad 2 forever but at 32gb and the apple apps that you can’t get rid of and all the apps I use and it no longer updates past 9.?.? I caved and got the iPad Air2 with 128gb and I never owned an iPhone until this past August. When we went in to the Verizon store to get my teen his first phone I took my spouses old 5s because I was tired of people sending me emojis that I couldn’t see. Only thing I don’t own is an iPod. I also got the Windows Pro4 (I think that’s what it’s called) because I prefer Windows but not liking Windows 10. I’m definitely old school and still playing catch up. Plus, that damn upgrade to 10 wiped out and messed up a lot of stuff I had so I fall back to my really, really old laptop sometimes. So, yeah, I have gadgets and cords coming out of my ass so, for the most part, I guess Apple owns me.
@WTFsunshine Funny, an IPod is the only Apple product I’ve ever owned, if you don’t count the IPhone with a cracked screen I found in the park a few years ago. I found the Ipod unreliable and far too delicate for my uses, the indestructible Sansa Clip replaced it. I still have it around here somewhere, I haven’t charged it up for five or six years, when I had a hard drive crash and was able to recover a substantial amount of my music from it.