NO. That would be against tradition here. If your memory is faulty, review virtually any forum for Meh product offerings before last November’s elections.
There is a difference between commentary and restating facts. What I said above was factual. Yours is the commentary.
You seem to be inferring that I am a dimwit. But your sentence structure seems to infer that you are one.
And if you want political commentary, I think that Nancy Pelosi is ABSOLUTELY the BEST female Speaker of the House we have ever had.
@jaimelobo@phendrick I didn’t think it was overtly political or insulting to her. She is old and is the Speaker. It was not a commentary on her politics or job performance.
Internal battery pack seems pretty small for the power rating of the amplifiers. It’s good that there is line input. It is shaped like there is just one driver when in fact there are a bunch. Overall the Libratone cylindrical shaped ones seemed more interesting and I didn’t buy those either, but maybe sometime. The Libratone Zip (big model) has four 18650’s inside, I’m pretty sure, which makes eventual replacement manageable. No idea about these Vehos.
@phr@pmarin I haven’t looked inside one of these either, but I am familiar with the inflation in lithium battery marketing specs.
M8 battery: 2200 mAh lithium, 7.4V
M10 battery: 2200 mAh lithium, 12V
A common lithium ion cell nominal voltage rating is 3.7 volts, because that is midway between the common full charge voltage cutoff of 4.2 volts and low voltage cutout at 3.2 volts. Thus the M8 battery pack has two cells using the nominal voltage rating. The M10 has 3 cells using 4V per cell, since the cells do operate at 4V at some point in use, and it is a nice round number.
Many 18650 cells were rated at 2200 mAh, so that is probably what they used, although there were a few LiPo pouch cells sold with the same rating.
Since these units have sat on shelves for 3 or more years, it is pretty likely that even if the cells were good for 2200 mAh when they were new, they probably don’t hold that much now. On the plus side, they can be replaced with higher capacity cells, if you know where to buy batteries with accurate specifications.
There were some YouTubers that provided and maintained buying guides based on their own measurements and independently reported measurements of battery capacity. I assume they are still active, but I haven’t researched this in a few years. Even before the recent supply chain difficulties, it was common for resellers that didn’t do their own QA to get fooled by low capacity counterfeit cells. So past reports of quality products isn’t a guarantee of quality when you buy. On the other, vendors with a history of selling substandard capacity cells, should be avoided.
If you can solder, and measure battery pouch sizes, replacing pouch cells is usually doable if you can figure out how to open a product without destroying it. In other words, it is easier than replacing the battery in a cellphone.
@hamjudo One of those well-regarded independent Li-Ion battery testers/reviewers would be Mooch, aka Battery Mooch on YouTube tho’ he hasn’t posted anything new there in a year or so, but he does still maintain a blog on E-Cigarette-Forum with tables of recommended battery cells updated monthly. Those would all be cylindrical cells such as 18650s (18mm diameter, 65mm long), as LiPo pouch cells typically aren’t suitable for high-end vape rigs (which can be surprisingly demanding on batteries) nor used in manufactured vape units with user-replaceable batteries anyway.
@shahnm based on the questions on Amazon the M8 definitely can’t and I don’t think the M10 either. The manufacturer says their “MZ” line can be so I assume not the M10.
@404Error
Snake oil pills? (Yes, I have noticed the way that the blurbs have carefully noted that the label says it does stuff, instead of asserting that it does stuff yourselves, but that just tells me you probably know it’s snake oil but are still willing to peddle it to the people likely to buy it.)
I picked up a Harmon-Kardon a bit over two years ago, and it has been doing everything we need from a bigger-than-pocket-size Bluetooth speaker, including running on internal power for 4+ hours from a full charge whenever we need that. I think I’ll stick with what I’ve got.
@werehatrack My neighbor has one of the Harmon-Kardon’s that look like this. That thing is a seriously nice sounding speaker. I’m sure it cost a pretty penny too.
So, looks like these are Betnew A9 speakers which were rebranded as Veho. If you Google Betnew A9 it looks like they were manufactured only in 2017 and sold wholesale for a price of $58/piece or less and retail they were at (at least one point in 2018) for sale around $110. So a $300 speaker this is not.
From the reviews it seems like the sound is at least decent, but the battery I would worry about after four years in storage. I don’t think these are worth $119, but that’s just me.
From one Amazon review (3 years ago), the speaker was selling for what was then roughly $115:
“… Love this speaker great sound and bass for £89.50 compared to my Bose speaker”
These do look really nice, but you’ve already done such a great job selling me so many other Bluetooth speakers that any sane person would tell me I have enough already.
Specs
M-Series M8 Wireless Speaker
M-Series M10 Wireless Speaker
What’s Included?
Price Comparison
$129.95 for M-8 Model
$303.25 for M-10 Model
Warranty
1 Year Veho
Estimated Delivery
Friday, Nov 19 - Wednesday, Nov 24
What’s up dock?
All the Amazon reviews for m10 are pretty old, like 2017/2018. These been sitting around a while?
@robson Old blue tooth speaker? Has Nancy Pelosi got blue teeth now? I think she has been a sitting speaker for lotsa years.
@phendrick @robson Do you think it is possible to have one forum/comment section WITHOUT dimwit, jumping is with stupid political commentary??
@jaimelobo
@jaimelobo (Of course, she is also the only female SotH we’ve had, so would also be the absolute worst in history.)
@jaimelobo @phendrick I didn’t think it was overtly political or insulting to her. She is old and is the Speaker. It was not a commentary on her politics or job performance.
Internal battery pack seems pretty small for the power rating of the amplifiers. It’s good that there is line input. It is shaped like there is just one driver when in fact there are a bunch. Overall the Libratone cylindrical shaped ones seemed more interesting and I didn’t buy those either, but maybe sometime. The Libratone Zip (big model) has four 18650’s inside, I’m pretty sure, which makes eventual replacement manageable. No idea about these Vehos.
@phr I haven’t disassembled the Libratone (working well so no problems) but I will say those were pretty solid well-made portable speakers.
@phr @pmarin I haven’t looked inside one of these either, but I am familiar with the inflation in lithium battery marketing specs.
M8 battery: 2200 mAh lithium, 7.4V
M10 battery: 2200 mAh lithium, 12V
A common lithium ion cell nominal voltage rating is 3.7 volts, because that is midway between the common full charge voltage cutoff of 4.2 volts and low voltage cutout at 3.2 volts. Thus the M8 battery pack has two cells using the nominal voltage rating. The M10 has 3 cells using 4V per cell, since the cells do operate at 4V at some point in use, and it is a nice round number.
Many 18650 cells were rated at 2200 mAh, so that is probably what they used, although there were a few LiPo pouch cells sold with the same rating.
Since these units have sat on shelves for 3 or more years, it is pretty likely that even if the cells were good for 2200 mAh when they were new, they probably don’t hold that much now. On the plus side, they can be replaced with higher capacity cells, if you know where to buy batteries with accurate specifications.
There were some YouTubers that provided and maintained buying guides based on their own measurements and independently reported measurements of battery capacity. I assume they are still active, but I haven’t researched this in a few years. Even before the recent supply chain difficulties, it was common for resellers that didn’t do their own QA to get fooled by low capacity counterfeit cells. So past reports of quality products isn’t a guarantee of quality when you buy. On the other, vendors with a history of selling substandard capacity cells, should be avoided.
If you can solder, and measure battery pouch sizes, replacing pouch cells is usually doable if you can figure out how to open a product without destroying it. In other words, it is easier than replacing the battery in a cellphone.
@hamjudo One of those well-regarded independent Li-Ion battery testers/reviewers would be Mooch, aka Battery Mooch on YouTube tho’ he hasn’t posted anything new there in a year or so, but he does still maintain a blog on E-Cigarette-Forum with tables of recommended battery cells updated monthly. Those would all be cylindrical cells such as 18650s (18mm diameter, 65mm long), as LiPo pouch cells typically aren’t suitable for high-end vape rigs (which can be surprisingly demanding on batteries) nor used in manufactured vape units with user-replaceable batteries anyway.
This reminds me of Onyx studio 4. Anyone has an comparison?
Here it looks like the Navy has released more blurry UAP footage that they should have been able to identify rather easily. Cool…
@Kerig3 Some people just don’t recognize a full moon.
@rpstrong
Or a far off jetliner, or a goose flying in the opposite direction.
Speak up, I can’t see you.
Can these be paired for stereo? I don’t know why I’m asking - I’m not going to buy them either way…
@shahnm This is a little out of the usual meh buyers price range. I was wondering if I should have spent the $20 on the watch yesterday…
@shahnm I’d also like to know if they can be paired for stereo.
@shahnm based on the questions on Amazon the M8 definitely can’t and I don’t think the M10 either. The manufacturer says their “MZ” line can be so I assume not the M10.
Did someone forget some decimal points?
So what aren’t you honest about?..
@404Error e-mark printers?
@404Error
Snake oil pills? (Yes, I have noticed the way that the blurbs have carefully noted that the label says it does stuff, instead of asserting that it does stuff yourselves, but that just tells me you probably know it’s snake oil but are still willing to peddle it to the people likely to buy it.)
@404Error @werehatrack
“Nutritional supplements”. Pure sleaze.
The m-10 WAS looking pretty good, but I think you have all talked me out of it. Thank you.
I picked up a Harmon-Kardon a bit over two years ago, and it has been doing everything we need from a bigger-than-pocket-size Bluetooth speaker, including running on internal power for 4+ hours from a full charge whenever we need that. I think I’ll stick with what I’ve got.
@werehatrack My neighbor has one of the Harmon-Kardon’s that look like this. That thing is a seriously nice sounding speaker. I’m sure it cost a pretty penny too.
When you say actual good speakers does that mean previous speakers have not been good.
@fairchild521
I believe that the implication is that most of the prior versions were only “good, for the price”. Not necessarily good per se.
I never imagined the future would hold mono speakers and 2" woofers.
So, looks like these are Betnew A9 speakers which were rebranded as Veho. If you Google Betnew A9 it looks like they were manufactured only in 2017 and sold wholesale for a price of $58/piece or less and retail they were at (at least one point in 2018) for sale around $110. So a $300 speaker this is not.
From the reviews it seems like the sound is at least decent, but the battery I would worry about after four years in storage. I don’t think these are worth $119, but that’s just me.
From one Amazon review (3 years ago), the speaker was selling for what was then roughly $115:
“… Love this speaker great sound and bass for £89.50 compared to my Bose speaker”
These do look really nice, but you’ve already done such a great job selling me so many other Bluetooth speakers that any sane person would tell me I have enough already.
@djslack
/giphy never enough