@PooltoyWolf The “traditional” type of projector used an incandescent ‘projector bulb’ similar to old film projectors. These are high-wattage very bright bulbs often with integrated cooling systems, last a few hundred hours, and could cost $$$ to replace the bulb(more than this entire projector deal.) I have one of these type of projectors from about 15 years ago but haven’t used it in ages. I didn’t use it much and my bulb is still working (or was last time I tried it). A friend had a similar one and used it a lot for his kids who watched stuff and played games (PS3 at the time I think) and went through many hundreds of dollars in bulb replacements.
The LED light type can be made much cheaper and smaller. This is obviously one of the lower-end models. I haven’t looked at projectors lately so I’m not sure what the higher-end ones do now for generating the light source.
@pmarin The major issue is that LED projector light sources have not quite yet reached the same level of light output as traditional lamps. This isn’t really a problem in dark rooms and at smaller screen sizes.
@ohhwell@PooltoyWolf I think my old incandescent-projector-bulb was about 300W so yeah, that’s not going to be matched by any LED source currently.
Anyone remember the original projector style with 3 big beam CRTs that had to be focused on a screen? They were around since the 1970’s I think and were often in sports bars. Also some of the first “big screen” TVs, before Plasma and LCD panels, were big boxes with the 3-tube CRT system at the base projecting through a mirror onto a rear-projection screen. It was actually just about 15-20 years ago those were still a thing since the first flat panels were just coming out, and cost $5-$10K at the time.
@ohhwell@pmarin I still maintain a Panasonic CinemaVision 3 CRT rear projection television from the mid-2000s. It’s a full 1080p HD set with component video inputs and a fantastic multi-way speaker system. (Rear projection TVs always had the best built-in sound systems!)
@pmarin@PooltoyWolf Dude, I used to snatch those up for free or like $50 in non-functioning state and replace that one component that always failed, I can’t for the life of me remember what it was now, some sort of resistor bank or something. It was like $12 from mouser. I can actually visualize right where it is on the main board.
I kept two for myself. You just can’t beat the physics of a large cabinet for sound.
I don’t have them anymore though, we moved back into our smaller house when the kids were older and about to graduate high school.
@Stubtuf Is it a clear, sharp, bright picture? How does it compare to your regular TV, could/would you ever use it as a replacement for your everyday TV because that’s what I’d like to do. And do you need to use the screen or do you get a nice picture just projecting on the wall?
@Lynnerizer@Stubtuf There are almost no projectors out there at any price that can replace a modern TV for daytime viewing.
For a decently darkened room and especially at night, this can rival a TV up to at least 150" in brightness. The picture is pleasing and the contrast is pretty good. The soft focus at the edges plagues all cheap and even mid-priced projectors and this does not escape it but for movies and most TV, it is really not an issue.
Also, I do not believe you will find anything better at this price, with or without the cheap screen thrown in.
@Lynnerizer@Stubtuf It is clear in the center, but can get a little fuzzy towards the edges, at least for me, since I project it from the ceiling so it aims down a bit. The Keystone adjustment can only do so much, but it’s not so blurry that text is unreadable or anything and you don’t notice it much during regular movie watching unless you try to pay attention to it, and I was quite very happy with the performance vs price of this V600 unit when I paid $200 for it. I used it for 2 years regularly and was happy with it, then I upgraded to a $1000+ projector that is far superior (brighter, sharper, 4K, quieter) but doesn’t have the cost vs performance ratio of this unit. I still use it on occasion now though as it is related to be my outdoor movie night projector, so I don’t have to dismantle my good projector for those events.
I asked these questions up above in a reply to Stubtuf, but if anyone else wants to chime in I’d be thrilled. I’ve been wanting one of these for a long time now and my go to guy, AKA dad, isn’t around to advise me.
Is it a clear, sharp, bright picture? How does it compare to your regular TV, could/would you ever use it as a replacement for your everyday TV because that’s what I’d like to do. And do you need to use the screen or do you get a nice picture just projecting on the wall?
@Lynnerizer I bought this last time it was offered. I have it set up in my basement and the picture is pretty clear but because it’s in the basement we can get it pretty dark down there too. As far as using it to replace a tv, I don’t know that I would recommend that. The fan on it is relatively loud. The built in speakers are also terrible so you would probably need to make sure you have an external speaker you can use. I haven’t tried just projecting on the wall but if it’s a flat enough surface I’m sure it would work just fine depending on ambient light levels. Happy to answer any more questions, we really love it and use it quite often. We didn’t have the budget for a more expensive projector so this one meets our needs just fine.
@jrmhkts@Lynnerizer I concur. I wouldn’t use it as a regular everyday replacement for a TV. It isn’t bright enough (can’t use it in a bright or semi-bright room, but dimmed is OK) and too loud to use for everyday use, but as a basement projector I was very satisfied with it.
For an everyday projector as a TV replacement, I wouldn’t even look at this price range of projector, you’ll probably want to 10x your starting price. Brightness will be the biggest factor in using it as a TV replacement unless you live in a dungeon.
I just got mine last night from the Mehrathon. IT was a bit of an impulse buy to maybe replace the 720p Vankyo I got from meh and use for backyard viewing at night.
This v600 is way better than I had any reason to expect. The 200 ANSI Lumens is about 6000 “light bulb lumens” and in a darkish room was WAY more than enough for a 150" projection size. It’s not really enough for daytime viewing without good curtains but almost no projector under $1k really is.
The fan is indeed a little louder than you would expect from their overly optimistic 40db rating but really, it is not as bad as the youtube video reviews make it sound. If you had it right next to you, it would get annoying during quiet scenes.
The built-in speaker… I can’t believe I am going to say this but I would actually classify it as usable in a pinch. It’s louder and fuller than the speaker in the $2.5k Panasonic laser projectors we run at work.
This big flaw with this that is shared with pretty much all cheap and even many mid-range projectors is the edge focus softness. It’s real. I will also say though that for the majority of movie and most TV viewing it really is a non issue. Sports though, it may bug some slightly that the scores and ticker are a little out of focus. Projecting powerpoints and such and some video games with important HUD elements near on the outer edges may also disappoint.
All in all, I don’t think you could possibly find a better performing projector for this price. Although I ought this for random outdoor use, I am rather tempted to use it in a spare bedroom for movies and see how I like it.
@ohhwell I concur with all you said in the above. I have replaced my V600 unit after 2 years of regular use with a $1000+ 4K projector but for this price point it is an absolute no-brainer if you want to a great deal.
I have this exact projector and bought it in 2020 for $200. For $80 with a screen this is a great deal. The colors aren’t great, but if you adjust them properly they are good enough. Fan is a bit louder than I’d like, but the noise is steady and isn’t bothersome once you start watching. And it works great on my 120" screen for outdoor movie nights. Do get an external speaker.
@flynnski@ohhwell I don’t have this “screen” but I’d guess it’s going to work better than a stucco wall. (pretty much even a real bed sheet would do that, though.)
The better materials really do make a difference for screens. There are even different types of screen material that will either reflect more light directly back (meaning narrow field for best viewing) or reflect over a wider angle thus providing better viewing from around a large room, but with less sharpness and brightness in the best viewing position. You can buy bulk screen materials and make your own screen; the ideal case is to actually stretch it onto a home-built wood frame much like a canvas for paintings. (but the screen material and wood for a frame would still cost more than this deal, I’m sure…)
You can also order very good quality pre-made screens in pull-down and electric models. Often used in business and schools. But these can easily run $200-500+.
Note that the central factoid of the whole thing is that the ANSI measurement is calculated based on the amount of light hitting the screen at nine specific points, NOT the total light output of the LED source inside the unit. By the ANSI spec, this projector should be adequate for a room that is dimly lit, but it will be washed out in a room with workplace levels of lighting, and even more useless than the screen of a typical smartphone in bright outdoor light.
Final opinion… HARD PASS.
I recently purchased one from best buy, the screen is ok but the projector leaves a lot to be desired. Picture quality is great in the center but becomes out of focus as it goes outwards. Unable to adjust whole screen into focus (crappy lens). 1080p looks like 720p or less, Cooling fan sounds like a small jet getting ready for take off. The speaker is all treble and barely tolerable but can’t really overcome the jet taking off. Best bet buy the $20 projector at Menards in the chinese bargain bin.
I bought one of these a few years ago at ~$200 and believe me when I tell you it was surprisingly good for the money then, and a steal at this price. Sure the edges aren’t super sharply focused, but you soon stop noticing once you get into a movie or tv show or whatever. Yes the fan is loud but the led board does get pretty hot and it is a budget projector after all. This would make an excellent basement or spare room theater setup, and an awesome xmas gift for anyone who doesn’t already have an expensive projector.
I got one of these Vankyo projectors in an IRK a few weeks ago, had a case, but no remote/cables, etc. It was DOA; Upon disassembly I found the AC to DC supply was shot, not outputting 12V to the main control board, or the ~28-30V that the LED backlighting needs.
I bypassed it with a 12V bench supply and got it to wake/run the fans; Slapped a DC to DC converter on the LED +/- connector and got the LED pumping around 28V (ice cold).
Anyway, If anyone has a dead V600 lying around, I’d be interested in taking it off your hands, or sharing the tips to make it a DC powered device.