@jandrese@yakkoTDI but that’s not how this works… there is still a bolt to be moved. This is more similar to august/nest/wyze locks than an access-control like the one linked
@haydesigner Ha. I wouldn’t trust them either. The only difference would be that they didn’t mean to have security holes so large anyone could drive in through them.
I actually have one of these. It’s not terrible. The app sucks because it freezes up a lot and you have to close it, but you can give everyone their own code and have it auto lock so you can catch your kids when they sneak out.
It can use an actual key to lock and unlock if you need to (say if the battery dies)
The bridge let’s you connect it to wifi so you can use Alexa to lock and unlock.
It is easy to install and it’s a decent price for what it is.
So if I see a house with this lock, can I just yell “Hey Google/Alexa unlock the front door” and it will pop open or is there some kind of voice detection to determine who is saying what?
@MrMikenIkes I’m not sure about this lock in particular but I know my “smart lock” wont let you unlock it using google or alexa, it will only let you lock it or confirm it’s state (“Ok Google, did I lock my front door?”).
There ARE locks that do allow you to unlock using your voice but more and more companies are finding that it’s a security flaw. They can also be unlocked using lasers.
@MrMikenIkes I have 3 of these and that was a known issue for a while to the point where I didn’t pair it with my Google Assistant and just used the app and automation to unlock it. Recently a firmware update makes it require a setup of a custom pin code that you have to give every time you try to unlock it with “Hey Google”
@hchavers And since we won’t have police soon you can just put the bodies in the trash. Or if you want to follow Roman design, put them on pikes in the yard as a cautionary clue to others.
@j8048188 The only chips in my hand are Pringles. Do you fail captchas because you’re a robot? No IRKs for you… which is similar to the rest of us while Shitney-Blowes is being used to ship them.
@j8048188 the Ultraloq Combo (which I have on my front door) uses 13.56Mhz keyfobs, which either could be cloned or the lock can learn additional fobs. They say they are ‘proprietary’ fobs but I’ve heard tell that it’s easy enough to use any old compatible tag.
The problem with this kind of lock, with the key code, is that the keys that get pressed often go shiny so after a short period of time it’s easy to guess what someone’s combination is.
So unless you frequently change you code, it’s easy for someone to break in…
I locked the MIL out once, but she was able to get in through the garage because the keypad on that made it obvious the code.
/ I didn’t lock her out on purpose. We had left and she was staying behind but we locked the house whilst she was on a walk.
@OnionSoup Lockley is nice. They move the numbers around, so 1) you can’y peek from a distance, and 2) no runout/fingerprints/whatever on a commonly used spot. All parts of the screen matter here.
@OnionSoup 1) It’s got a finger print open option that is pretty accurate so there’s no need for numbers. 2) It’s got some weird code thing so as long as your code is within numbers, it’ll open. so if your code is 1234 and you do 84931234543 etc, it will work. If you notice shiny keys just make a longer code. 3) It literally takes 2 minutes or less to change the code.
Meh’s math is Meh. A few minutes ago the dialy page had the summary below. That comes out to $150/each (57 x 150 = 8550). But it should be at most $149, not $150: $144 for the lock + $5 shipping for those who only buy one and who don’t have the monthly plan. Would be even less for those not paying shipping. What gives?
And you bought… 57 of these. There’s still some left. That’s $8550
total. (including shipping)
@hamjudo@qwaletee City to city, actually. Where I’m at right now, 7.75%. One city over, it’s 8%. One more city over (and different county), 10.25%. And the city past that, 9.5%.
If you want a keypad for outside you door, you will have to add about $20 to your Wyze lock.
Still $120 is better then $145, but the “Meh” lock will allow allow you access with a fingerprint. You will have to ask yourself if the extra $ (about $25) is worth it for you.
Of course if you don’t want keypad or fingerprint access, then Wyze is the clear winner.
@Keith42 It’s worth it for me to go with Wyze to minimize the amount of extra apps I’d have to use since I already own the Wyze camera, scale and smart bulbs. Great point about the fingerprint though. That’s kinda cool.
I have the older version of this lock without the fingerprint scanner and I love it. For the person who asked if this lock has been approved by the lockpicking lawyer, it basically goes around the lock and turns it for you. It came with a new deadbolt in the box, but I took it out and used the lock I already had in the door so that I wouldn’t have to replace the keys.
Specs
What’s in the Box?
Price Comparison
$199 at Amazon
Warranty
18 Months Manufacturer
Estimated Delivery
Monday, August 17th - Monday, August 24th
Is this LPL approved?
@yakkoTDI I bet he’d rake the mechanical key bypass in about, hmm, 3 seconds. No details at all about the actual lock so it’s probably super cheap.
@yakkoTDI I don’t think he has reviewed an electronic lock yet that doesn’t have massive build flaws that render it useless.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this attack works:
@jandrese @yakkoTDI but that’s not how this works… there is still a bolt to be moved. This is more similar to august/nest/wyze locks than an access-control like the one linked
@jrapoport @yakkoTDI that attack calm work against any lock that is actuated by a relay.
At this point, Apple HomeKit is the only one I’d trust.
@haydesigner Ha. I wouldn’t trust them either. The only difference would be that they didn’t mean to have security holes so large anyone could drive in through them.
@haydesigner why is that and why should I get Apple HomeKit?
You’re locked out of your house for four months at a time? I’m impressed you can hold down a job.
Though I guess it’s easier to do your work if you’re living there 24/7 two weeks to four months a year.
I have to admit, I really like the design of their logo.
@PooltoyWolf They probably spent more money on that than on the lock design.
The digital security really doesn’t matter if you can just stick a big magnet next to it to trigger the mechanical relay and then waltz inside.
25% off Amazon price ain’t nuthin special.
A battery operated lock??? What could possibly go wrong? LOL.
@radi0j0hn Yeah, it needs a built-in refrigerator!
I don’t need this – I can unlock doors with my magnetic personality, on weekends, that is – the rest of the time I just use my charismatic aura.
Amazon reviews are definitely a toss up on this one. I think I’ll wait.
I actually have one of these. It’s not terrible. The app sucks because it freezes up a lot and you have to close it, but you can give everyone their own code and have it auto lock so you can catch your kids when they sneak out.
It can use an actual key to lock and unlock if you need to (say if the battery dies)
The bridge let’s you connect it to wifi so you can use Alexa to lock and unlock.
It is easy to install and it’s a decent price for what it is.
So if I see a house with this lock, can I just yell “Hey Google/Alexa unlock the front door” and it will pop open or is there some kind of voice detection to determine who is saying what?
@MrMikenIkes No these devices have specific phrases you need to say
@MrMikenIkes I’m not sure about this lock in particular but I know my “smart lock” wont let you unlock it using google or alexa, it will only let you lock it or confirm it’s state (“Ok Google, did I lock my front door?”).
There ARE locks that do allow you to unlock using your voice but more and more companies are finding that it’s a security flaw. They can also be unlocked using lasers.
@MrMikenIkes I have 3 of these and that was a known issue for a while to the point where I didn’t pair it with my Google Assistant and just used the app and automation to unlock it. Recently a firmware update makes it require a setup of a custom pin code that you have to give every time you try to unlock it with “Hey Google”
Just what I want during the lockdown!
These days, I leave the door open hoping somebody (aka quarantine law breaker) will come say “Hi”.
@hchavers And since we won’t have police soon you can just put the bodies in the trash. Or if you want to follow Roman design, put them on pikes in the yard as a cautionary clue to others.
@hchavers @tweezak
Ok Nero.
I was thinking you should use some of that Panama Papers money for this.
It says “…6-in-1 keyless entry…”, but…
It one of the ways to unlock is a key, then should it not say 5-in-1?
@Keith42 Not if you are always losing your keys…
Yup. The one thing it’s missing is the main thing I’d require…
Sell one that takes RFID or NFC tags, preferably one that can be cloned to the chips in my hand, and I’ll buy one.
@j8048188 The only chips in my hand are Pringles. Do you fail captchas because you’re a robot? No IRKs for you… which is similar to the rest of us while Shitney-Blowes is being used to ship them.
Please realize CAPTCHA is a fellow robot like you.
@j8048188 the Ultraloq Combo (which I have on my front door) uses 13.56Mhz keyfobs, which either could be cloned or the lock can learn additional fobs. They say they are ‘proprietary’ fobs but I’ve heard tell that it’s easy enough to use any old compatible tag.
@mediocrebot No, dummy. This isn’t about that. Now go fist yourself in an alley.
Don’t want a lock that someone (can you say big brother) could open with a remote device.
@Qiset They usually kick the door in.
@JawjaBill @Qiset
Has this been tested/approved by the Lockpicking Lawyer?. Can this lock be picked with a fork or a magnet?
Can’t wait to put this on my trailer home…On which you could just create your own door with a can opener.
The only thing that offers more means of potential ingress is no lock. Some serious irony in praising a lock for this.
The problem with this kind of lock, with the key code, is that the keys that get pressed often go shiny so after a short period of time it’s easy to guess what someone’s combination is.
So unless you frequently change you code, it’s easy for someone to break in…
I locked the MIL out once, but she was able to get in through the garage because the keypad on that made it obvious the code.
/ I didn’t lock her out on purpose. We had left and she was staying behind but we locked the house whilst she was on a walk.
@OnionSoup Lockley is nice. They move the numbers around, so 1) you can’y peek from a distance, and 2) no runout/fingerprints/whatever on a commonly used spot. All parts of the screen matter here.
@OnionSoup 1) It’s got a finger print open option that is pretty accurate so there’s no need for numbers. 2) It’s got some weird code thing so as long as your code is within numbers, it’ll open. so if your code is 1234 and you do 84931234543 etc, it will work. If you notice shiny keys just make a longer code. 3) It literally takes 2 minutes or less to change the code.
Imagine securing your home with a lock you bought on site renown for selling garbage.
What an amazing time to be alive.
@Pufferfishy And they have your home address…
Meh’s math is Meh. A few minutes ago the dialy page had the summary below. That comes out to $150/each (57 x 150 = 8550). But it should be at most $149, not $150: $144 for the lock + $5 shipping for those who only buy one and who don’t have the monthly plan. Would be even less for those not paying shipping. What gives?
@qwaletee blah blah blah math blah blah blah
@qwaletee The total includes taxes paid rounded to the nearest dollar. Taxes vary state to state.
@hamjudo @qwaletee City to city, actually. Where I’m at right now, 7.75%. One city over, it’s 8%. One more city over (and different county), 10.25%. And the city past that, 9.5%.
You say something? Sorry, wasn’t listening. My pet rock was acting interesting.
I’ve been watching this on Amazon, waiting for it to go on sale for months! I’m super excited to finally buy it and get it setup on my door ^_^
Why would I buy this over the $99 Wyze lock? https://wyze.com/wyze-lock
@gallogj
The Wyze lock is cheaper, but…
If you want a keypad for outside you door, you will have to add about $20 to your Wyze lock.
Still $120 is better then $145, but the “Meh” lock will allow allow you access with a fingerprint. You will have to ask yourself if the extra $ (about $25) is worth it for you.
Of course if you don’t want keypad or fingerprint access, then Wyze is the clear winner.
@Keith42 It’s worth it for me to go with Wyze to minimize the amount of extra apps I’d have to use since I already own the Wyze camera, scale and smart bulbs. Great point about the fingerprint though. That’s kinda cool.
I have the older version of this lock without the fingerprint scanner and I love it. For the person who asked if this lock has been approved by the lockpicking lawyer, it basically goes around the lock and turns it for you. It came with a new deadbolt in the box, but I took it out and used the lock I already had in the door so that I wouldn’t have to replace the keys.