@transplant I agree with you on the house thing, but your house for a week versus a patio restaurant that is dog friendly are not close to the same level of imposition.
Definitely depends on the dog. I’ve seen many mellow dogs that are fine with just laying down under the table and sleeping. My dog, on the other hand, is a nervous mess around strangers and would probably poop all over his tucked tail (like he did the one time we tried taking him to a July 4th thing just up the hill from our old apartment).
@thejackalope like everything with pets/“support animals” it depends on how much of a complete asshole the owner is. And how much they want to be a dick to other people.
You obviously understand your dog and aren’t out to be a dick. And want to protect him. Unfortunately lots of people don’t care about their pet or the people around them. Just themselves
@thejackalope - We took our dog, whose attitude is typically “Death to All Other Dogs,” down to Key West a couple years ago and he was completely chill with the other dogs in the bars and restaurants. We didn’t take him to the Hemingway House, though.
I’d prefer no dogs at restaurants.
This is because of a few idiots ruining it for everyone.
There’s a few microbreweries nearby that allow dogs, but they don’t serve food. I’m OK with that.
If people actually gave a fair assessment of their dogs, I’d say it’s great. Unfortunately, every time save once, I’ve seen it end poorly. Dog snags someones food, or lunges at a kid, and it falls apart. Admittedly, most of the kid-lunging was just wanting to play, or it was the kid egging on the dog, but apparently I am rude if I say poorly behaved children are worse than poorly behaved dogs. The one time it went well, it was a homeless guy who was there every day, and one of the employees said it had taken a couple weeks before they’d got the dog to stay chill for a meal.
Not to mention that the presumptuous dog owner has no clue that their dog doesn’t know the difference between a service dog and a new playmate/rival.
Don’t be a presumptuous dick. I didn’t invite animals to my dinner. What makes you think I want some stranger’s dog sniffing around my food and humping my leg or thinking my baby is a toy or wants to be slobbered on.
There’s a reason health codes don’t allow animals in places that serve food. What about the asshat that wants to bring their comfort skunk to dine? How us that different than any other pet? Or a pet rat? Cockroach? It’s a restaurant, not a fucking petting zoo.
Who cares about people with dog allergies? Not the dbag with the dog.
@mike808 Don’t be a presumptuous dick. I didn’t invite babies to my dinner. What makes you think I want some stranger’s baby whining, screeching, drooling, and throwing up all around me?
@lwheatcraft I wasn’t speaking about you, but the typical dog owner that takes their dog into a restaurant full of strangers and thinks everyone is OK with that. It’s the definition of a presumptious dick.
If the restaurant announces they are pet-friendly, then I have a choice to eat elsewhere. When I’m enjoying my pet-free meal and someone foists their dog upon the public without notice or the courtesy of asking, yeah, I’m going to call a dbag out on it.
@mike808 - If you presume anyone is going to believe that your “reasoning” about the thinking of “the typical dog owner that takes their dog into a restaurant” is based on observation, let me refer you to my prior deduction.
@kittykat9180@mike808 It seems to me then the person who came there to dine has no choice where to sit except inside and maybe they came to sit outside. It the place doesn’t post it is dog friendly, then there should be no dogs but service dogs. If they post dogs allowed, then the person who is choosing to dine there has a choice to make and it is on them in that particular case.
@Kidsandliz The person who came to dine there has all kinds of choices. Dine inside. Dine outside and suffer the existence of a nonhuman species. Dine elsewhere. Even if the pet friendly policy were posted, upon arriving at the restaurant with the intent to eat on the patio the diner would be faced with the same choices.
@moondrake No they wouldn’t because they would have made an even earlier choice before even deciding to go there (if they knew in advance it was a pet friendly place) about whether or not they were willing to have their choices limited if they wanted to avoid dogs. If they then came anyway, knowing they’d be dealing with dogs, that is on them and they have no basis to complain.
There should be dog diners and cat cafes, all clearly labelled for people who want to go there. There should even be restaurants for people with kids, clearly identified for those of us whose taste runs to peace and quiet digesting. But no reptile restaurants, that would be weird.
My mellow dachshund fit in a bag, nobody but the waitress knew it was there…mostly we’d sit outside anyway. Was never an issue… Really, screaming, crying brats, I’m out…
I’ve been to a number of dog friendly places on South Beach. Never had a problem, but there was rarely more than 2 dogs there when I was, and I was seated away from them. As long as it is that way, I’m fine with it.
I used to take Simba with me to dog friendly restaurants. Despite the fact that he was a 165 lb predator, people rarely noticed he was there. That’s because I chose a table in a corner and settled him with his rug in that corner so that he wouldn’t be under foot. He would lie calmly and politely throughout the meal. One of the first lessons I teach my dogs is “dinner down”. One of my current dogs, Zephyr would be equally easy to take out to restaurants. His sister, although properly trained for dinner down, is too frightened of strangers to be comfortable in a restaurant and I would never take her to such a place. I have absolutely no problem with people taking their dogs as companions to places where dogs are welcomed, if they have properly trained their dog to be out in public. Sadly, far too many people neglect their responsibilities as human parents and pet parents to train their children and pets to comport themselves properly in a public setting. If you are dining in a restaurant with a pet-friendly patio and you would prefer not to dine in the company of pets, then I suggest dining indoors. People choose to sit on the patio of a restaurant, I choose to sit there despite the smokers, other people choose to sit there despite the dogs.
@moondrake The problem is not with the dog or child, it’s always with the owner or parent who neglected to civilize the animal or child. Usually the owner is untrained in many ways, too.
We bring our dachshund in her stroller (she became blind about 9 months ago) to some restaurants when we can eat on the patio. I’ve learned to give her a chewy to keep her busy. Luckily she’s totally chill and not the demanding little German dictator she is at home. I keep telling her “I’m not going to feed you faster if you keep barking” but apparently she doesn’t care. She didn’t do this before she was blind and she’s 14 1/2 now, so we’re pretty tolerant at this point. She’s not going to be around much longer, and I really don’t care if I spoil her.
I take my dog where I can. He gets super excited about going to Lowes, Home Depot, Ace, Marshalls, TJ Maxx and Home Goods. Unfortunately it take me a lot longer because everyone wants to pet him and talk about dogs.
Fucking Socialization - ACK!
Seriously, dog owners think they can take their dogs anywhere. “Hey, I’m visiting you for a week and yeah! I brought my dog!”
I like dogs, had a couple of dogs, but never imposed them on anyone…
@transplant I agree with you on the house thing, but your house for a week versus a patio restaurant that is dog friendly are not close to the same level of imposition.
Definitely depends on the dog. I’ve seen many mellow dogs that are fine with just laying down under the table and sleeping. My dog, on the other hand, is a nervous mess around strangers and would probably poop all over his tucked tail (like he did the one time we tried taking him to a July 4th thing just up the hill from our old apartment).
@thejackalope like everything with pets/“support animals” it depends on how much of a complete asshole the owner is. And how much they want to be a dick to other people.
You obviously understand your dog and aren’t out to be a dick. And want to protect him. Unfortunately lots of people don’t care about their pet or the people around them. Just themselves
@thejackalope - We took our dog, whose attitude is typically “Death to All Other Dogs,” down to Key West a couple years ago and he was completely chill with the other dogs in the bars and restaurants. We didn’t take him to the Hemingway House, though.
Incidentally the Key West dog beach blows.
@aetris I had to laugh at the Hemingway House comment. Yes, the six toed cats would not have approved.
Illegal in my area.
@hchavers sorry to hear that. Sounds like you live in a shitty freedom hating place.
@hchavers - Is it illegal to have them in patio restaurants and bars? I know it’s illegal to have them inside.
Where I live is hella dog friendly. Many restaurants have outdoor spaces where people can bring their dog.
I’d prefer no dogs at restaurants.
This is because of a few idiots ruining it for everyone.
There’s a few microbreweries nearby that allow dogs, but they don’t serve food. I’m OK with that.
@daveinwarsh As long as the same rule holds true for children, fine.
Disgusting
If people actually gave a fair assessment of their dogs, I’d say it’s great. Unfortunately, every time save once, I’ve seen it end poorly. Dog snags someones food, or lunges at a kid, and it falls apart. Admittedly, most of the kid-lunging was just wanting to play, or it was the kid egging on the dog, but apparently I am rude if I say poorly behaved children are worse than poorly behaved dogs. The one time it went well, it was a homeless guy who was there every day, and one of the employees said it had taken a couple weeks before they’d got the dog to stay chill for a meal.
Not to mention that the presumptuous dog owner has no clue that their dog doesn’t know the difference between a service dog and a new playmate/rival.
Don’t be a presumptuous dick. I didn’t invite animals to my dinner. What makes you think I want some stranger’s dog sniffing around my food and humping my leg or thinking my baby is a toy or wants to be slobbered on.
There’s a reason health codes don’t allow animals in places that serve food. What about the asshat that wants to bring their comfort skunk to dine? How us that different than any other pet? Or a pet rat? Cockroach? It’s a restaurant, not a fucking petting zoo.
Who cares about people with dog allergies? Not the dbag with the dog.
No. Just no.
@mike808 Don’t be a presumptuous dick. I didn’t invite babies to my dinner. What makes you think I want some stranger’s baby whining, screeching, drooling, and throwing up all around me?
@lwheatcraft @mike808 I’m glad we all agree. No children or pets should be allowed in restaurants.
@lwheatcraft @mike808 @Seeds - Let’s all agree on no presumptuous dicks in restaurants. Or special restaurants for presumptuous dicks, anyway.
@lwheatcraft I wasn’t speaking about you, but the typical dog owner that takes their dog into a restaurant full of strangers and thinks everyone is OK with that. It’s the definition of a presumptious dick.
If the restaurant announces they are pet-friendly, then I have a choice to eat elsewhere. When I’m enjoying my pet-free meal and someone foists their dog upon the public without notice or the courtesy of asking, yeah, I’m going to call a dbag out on it.
Hem! Dare I say that saying “the typical X thinks tX” is the definition of, well, you see where I’m going here?
@mike808, then why don’t you sit INDOORS where dogs are not allowed if it’s that upsetting to you?
@aetris It’s called deductive reasoning based on observation. No presumption about it.
@lwheatcraft @mike808 This is mostly what I was going to say.
@mike808 - If you presume anyone is going to believe that your “reasoning” about the thinking of “the typical dog owner that takes their dog into a restaurant” is based on observation, let me refer you to my prior deduction.
@kittykat9180 @mike808 It seems to me then the person who came there to dine has no choice where to sit except inside and maybe they came to sit outside. It the place doesn’t post it is dog friendly, then there should be no dogs but service dogs. If they post dogs allowed, then the person who is choosing to dine there has a choice to make and it is on them in that particular case.
@Kidsandliz The person who came to dine there has all kinds of choices. Dine inside. Dine outside and suffer the existence of a nonhuman species. Dine elsewhere. Even if the pet friendly policy were posted, upon arriving at the restaurant with the intent to eat on the patio the diner would be faced with the same choices.
@moondrake No they wouldn’t because they would have made an even earlier choice before even deciding to go there (if they knew in advance it was a pet friendly place) about whether or not they were willing to have their choices limited if they wanted to avoid dogs. If they then came anyway, knowing they’d be dealing with dogs, that is on them and they have no basis to complain.
Dogs smell like dog
Dogs in restaurants, hell yes. No problem. Children in restaurants, no thanks.
@moonhat I would go to this restaurant to the exclusion of all others.
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There should be dog diners and cat cafes, all clearly labelled for people who want to go there. There should even be restaurants for people with kids, clearly identified for those of us whose taste runs to peace and quiet digesting. But no reptile restaurants, that would be weird.
@aetris Reptile Restaurant: Are you the customer, or are you the meal?
Exciting new unscripted (err…) food show on ABC!
My mellow dachshund fit in a bag, nobody but the waitress knew it was there…mostly we’d sit outside anyway. Was never an issue… Really, screaming, crying brats, I’m out…
I’ve been to a number of dog friendly places on South Beach. Never had a problem, but there was rarely more than 2 dogs there when I was, and I was seated away from them. As long as it is that way, I’m fine with it.
I used to take Simba with me to dog friendly restaurants. Despite the fact that he was a 165 lb predator, people rarely noticed he was there. That’s because I chose a table in a corner and settled him with his rug in that corner so that he wouldn’t be under foot. He would lie calmly and politely throughout the meal. One of the first lessons I teach my dogs is “dinner down”. One of my current dogs, Zephyr would be equally easy to take out to restaurants. His sister, although properly trained for dinner down, is too frightened of strangers to be comfortable in a restaurant and I would never take her to such a place. I have absolutely no problem with people taking their dogs as companions to places where dogs are welcomed, if they have properly trained their dog to be out in public. Sadly, far too many people neglect their responsibilities as human parents and pet parents to train their children and pets to comport themselves properly in a public setting. If you are dining in a restaurant with a pet-friendly patio and you would prefer not to dine in the company of pets, then I suggest dining indoors. People choose to sit on the patio of a restaurant, I choose to sit there despite the smokers, other people choose to sit there despite the dogs.
@moondrake The problem is not with the dog or child, it’s always with the owner or parent who neglected to civilize the animal or child. Usually the owner is untrained in many ways, too.
We bring our dachshund in her stroller (she became blind about 9 months ago) to some restaurants when we can eat on the patio. I’ve learned to give her a chewy to keep her busy. Luckily she’s totally chill and not the demanding little German dictator she is at home. I keep telling her “I’m not going to feed you faster if you keep barking” but apparently she doesn’t care. She didn’t do this before she was blind and she’s 14 1/2 now, so we’re pretty tolerant at this point. She’s not going to be around much longer, and I really don’t care if I spoil her.
My dogs are cleaner, quieter, and better trained than 95% of children I see out in public.
I take my dog where I can. He gets super excited about going to Lowes, Home Depot, Ace, Marshalls, TJ Maxx and Home Goods. Unfortunately it take me a lot longer because everyone wants to pet him and talk about dogs.
Fucking Socialization - ACK!
@mfladd I always ask if I can pet a dog and then completely ignore the owner while I fuss over the furball.