Suicide Squad sucks ass.
13Screened this morning at AMC World HQ in Leawood - showing was for press and invitees, I went on @Pavlov’s invite.
I was not at all impressed. If you really want to see it, wait for a good torrent. It is really that bad. It is hard to follow, there is no cohesive story-line, it has an overtly predictable end, and Leto is fucking terrible - the only good thing about his performance is that it ends. The list goes on and on. With all the hype, I feel like I’ve been punked.
This is of course my opinion, which we all know are like assholes - but it fucking SUCKED.
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I’ve heard similar early reviews. I’m so smitten with Margot Robbie that I just may go see it anyway. God, she’s easy on the eyes.
That makes me love Independence Day Resurgence even more. Suck it Will Smith, the movie didn’t need you anyway.
It is so bad they are literally giving tickets away.
http://fansided.com/2016/08/02/get-a-free-suicide-squad-ticket-today-from-t-mobile-tuesdays/
32% at RottenTomatoes right now…
Quite disappointing
@ELUNO Woof, I heard 33% earlier… still dropping…
@PocketBrain 31% now!
From SFGate:
"‘Suicide Squad’ is two hours of soul-sickening, sensory torment"
http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2016/08/03/suicide-squad-review-worse-than-green-lantern-worse-than-fantastic-four/#4ec91a384d73
Yep, that title, from Forbes, says worse than The Green Lantern AND The Fantastic Four (reboot). That’s very telling.
@ACraigL wow.
/image low blow
/image sucks ass
I refuse to look at this thread because I don’t want it to be so. At least tell me Harley Quinn was good. If not, just lie and tell me she was.
@mfladd She was the best man. The best!
@ELUNO Thank you, whether you were telling the truth , or not.
@mfladd - The truth:
" . . . there’s enough moment by moment invention in Robbie’s zaniness that I can see this movie opening up her casting range. It’s wasted this time out, but “Suicide Squad” shows that she could probably do inspired lunacy even better than the uninspired lunacy on display here."
So - hope for her future, I guess? I’d pay to see inspired lunacy. Probably.
@mfladd
Am hoping there is a “Harley Quinn edit” out soon at TPB.
@KDemo Me too. Margot is under contract for 10 yrs with this role.
http://www.total-geeks.com/margot-robbie-confirms-10-year-harley-quinn-contract/
@mfladd of all the characters in the film, Margot Robbie’s Harley has the most potential. I can see why they decided to break her out on her own in the role, but her performance doesn’t live up to the hype and it certainly can’t save this garbage from rotting. That being said, I’d totally fuck her. And I wouldn’t let @Pavlov watch. She’s that damn hot.
@MrsPavlov Hahahahaha! Get your Harley bad girl on. Glad she has potential since she is slated for a few more movies.
@MrsPavlov
Oooohhh!
I’m in!
@mfladd - Hopefully a new writer/director will save her?
@KDemo
Hopefully she will save me.
@KDemo
@MrsPavlov That’s hot.
Don’t worry people! The internet is working on it!
Suicide Squad will no longer have bad reviews!
http://variety.com/2016/film/news/suicide-squad-fans-petition-rotten-tomatoes-bad-reviews-shut-down-1201829631/
crap. does this mean i need to change my fantasy movie league lineup?
@carl669 why would you bet on DC?
@communist because Margot Robbie hypnotizes me.
@communist Om nom nom nom… Go on…
@communist LOL I guess they did delete the bad reviews!
@communist
If Zombies eat all the bad reviews, it will be easier for Zombies to find people with fresh, unused Brainz in the theater this weekend.
Such an obvious ploy. Hi, Zombies! Try to catch me on TPB watching the Harley Quinn Edit! Yeah!
I never had really high hopes for it. The comic its based on was a not-much-loved relic of the worst era in comics history: the late 80s/early 90s. It was an attempt at a socially conscious superhero series but just came off bland and preachy–imagine a comics afterschool special starring z-list DC characters with no sense of humour or fun.
Fast forward 30 years and they reheat those same leftovers with a marketing spin to appeal to 14-year-old mall goths and juggalos. Yup, they took one of the least appealing DC comics properties this side of Aquaman and somehow managed to make it worse.
The saddest bit is a Joker & Harley movie would have been awesome. They’re both interesting, popular characters who could totally carry a movie. But some brain-dead DC exec assumed we all just needed to see Captain Boomerang too for some reason.
@Starblind Ding ding ding! I’m a DC guy from way back, but they’re blowing it with this grimdark shit. So sad that the people in charge of all those iconic characters don’t have a clue what made them iconic in the first place.
@JasonToon Exactly. Also, if they do want grimdark stuff, they could pick out some Vertigo stuff that already has that tone and some great stories just ready for filming. If they made a Sandman movie they could get the mall goths AND everybody else!
Seeing it for mostly free thanks to tmobile so, meh.
The Hollywood Reporter has a good background story as to why the movie came out as it did. Blame “BvS.”
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/suicide-squads-secret-drama-rushed-916693
@Cheddy
Buffy killed Suicide Squad? What, she ran out of vampires and just needed to kill something?
@f00l Love BtVS. Introduced it to my daughter and she’s hooked. Her friends don’t even want to try it which frustrates her because she knows how a good a show it was. We’re binging on Angel right now, with the acknowledgement it’s not nearly as good, but a good excuse to sit and watch something with each other.
@ACraigL
@MrsPavlov
I suddenly realized why Buffy killed Suicide Squad. You see, Angel and Spike are busy - or perhaps they’ve just gotten a little stale. Soooo…if Buffy gets rid if the rest of Suicide Squad, then Harley Quinn becomes…ummm…available.
Yeah. My imagination can handle that.
@ACraigL - perhaps dont tell your daughter about this part just yet…
@f00l SMG will forever be my crush, but I’ve made my feelings clear about Margot Robbie. Also, she appears to be a delight IRL:
@ACraigL
Where I first saw the still of the video, for a sec I thought it was Sarah Michelle Gellar.
I knew it was gonna suck
I feel bad for @KittySprinkles - I know she was looking forward to this.
@dashcloud We’ve already bought tickets about a week ago. Going to be seeing it on Sunday. This makes me sad.
@KittySprinkles
Just love the good parts. You’ll make it OK.
@f00l I am fairly adept at rolling with it. I will do just that, enjoy the fun parts without getting too pissed.
After a brief but intense mourning period, of course.
@KittySprinkles even the fun parts suffer from poor editing choices, especially in sound. You’ll understand when you see it. It is as annoying as a yeast infection.
My brother, his girlfriend, and myself are seeing it Friday for a total cost of $1.77 for three tickets thanks to T-Mobile. Money’s already spent so… I guess I’ll report back with my findings. Not having been a fan of the comics might help (maybe? I dunno @MrsPavlov’s tastes in the matter of comics) or something so I’ll see what happens. Worst case it’s $1.77 and my brother and I will have something to joke about.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
…so what did @Pavlov think of the movie?
@miko1 @Pavlov hasn’t seen the final, he did see a very early working cut a few months ago and hated it. He is in London working on a film, and he has an incredibly strict Internet black-out imposed on him to avoid leaks. I get to talk to him once a day by phone. Last night he said that he wasn’t surprised it still sucked.
@MrsPavlov
Whatever happened to hotel & coffee shop wi-fi? Are the cast/crews stuck legally behind The Great Firewall Of Pre-Release Rumor Blackout in their personal lives and relationships as well as on set or at work?
If I were employed or contracted under such conditions, I would be seriously po’ed about it.
I’m dying to hear what production company is so into jackboots. Or are they all that way now?
@f00l Lucasfilm, and he and everyone else is totally not pissed about it. He’s pretty fucking thrilled to even be there.
@MrsPavlov
Ok. I might just agree to be tortured nightly after work or similar to get to work on one of those. Understand now.
I don’t understand the appeal of Harley Quinn. She is a bad character.
@Moose
@f00l Didn’t watch the video but I always love remembering the time she murdered thousands of kids
@f00l Yeah, that doesn’t help. I guess it’s just the Wacky Zany Crazy thing that people like?
haha that Harley, so edgy and fun.
“We’re the bad guys, it’s what we do!”
“I’m fluent in sarcasm. The voices in my head don’t like you. Wanna hear a dead baby joke? I’m just super twisted like that.” Ha!
@Moose
I’ve actually never read the comix, don’t follow that universe. My intro to Harley was the movie trailer. I could get with that Harley all day long.
If she’s actually, in the comix, a reboot of Atilla the Hun in fancy dress, I didn’t know.
@f00l @Moose She’s a lot more fun and interesting in the 90s Batman cartoon series, which is also where she’s originally from. She’s a psychiatrist who becomes obsessed with the Joker and falls in love with him, becoming his sidekick. He’s at best indifferent to her and really only cares about defeating Batman. But she’s willing to risk her life and commit crimes if he keeps her around. It’s a deeply unhealthy relationship and of course they’re both fucked up but in totally different ways. She could be wacky and random at times but had a core of sadness that the cartoon did a great job of balancing.
I haven’t seen the movie yet but based on the trailer the new version of her character doesn’t seem promising, just another version of the ‘psycho little girl’ trope that’s already been done to death everywhere.
@Starblind Yeah I think you nailed it. It seems like she could be a really interesting character if they really explored into her Florence Nightingale/Battered Wife combo, but instead it’s just a “ooooh I’mma bop you with my oversized hammer! It’s also a gun. Look at my butt.”
@Moose
“ooooh I’mma bop you with my oversized hammer! It’s also a gun. Look at my butt.”
In our current comic-book & reality-TV world, that sounds almost uplifting.
Methinks I might need a dose of Serious Lit.
/me looks at @Moose’s butt
@Ignorant
And yet you live???!!!
I’ll wait until they stream it free on Prime. Sounds like that may happen soon…
Margot is hot, though…
@daveinwarsh moar butt cleav nom nom om… nom?
/google butt cleav
Cleavage (breasts) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleavage_(breasts)
/youtube butt cleav
yall left me hanging dlso:(
3/10 for me. I can praise art direction and soundtrack. But Joker, dialogues and story in general were just horrible.
Is it too late to recast/redesign the joker for the other movies?
@ELUNO I think the problem is that after Heath Ledger the role is almost unplayable. His performance was so universally lauded and such that everybody coming after is going to be compared against him…
@jbartus But damaged tattoos are way the opposite of that!
@jbartus
Tho Heath kinda killed the role for everyone else for a decade or few, that doesn’t mean another actor has to Suck Ass. Unless, of course, the actor or director or script or edit or studio or producer sux, or some combo of those sux.
Then…well, thankless setup. Too big a role to turn down, but you’ll never be Heath. Take $, take bad reviews, run.
@f00l Yeah I know, it’s just a hard road to travel right now.
@jbartus There are several ways to play the Joker. I’m particularly fond of Jack Nicholson’s style, but my favorite is the voice work of Mark Hamill’s Joker. Ledger did a fantastic job, but he didn’t ruin the role, he just owned that particular version of it. The chaotic nature of the Joker lends itself to a wide array of portrayals, it seems as though Leto’s just didn’t hold up to the potential.
@Thumperchick
Joker aficionado here? Does Joker know?
@Thumperchick actually I am also a huge fan of Nicholson’s Joker and Hamill… well really nothing more need be said. However, given that DC seems determined to go with this gritty version of the DC universe which meshes well with the prior generation of Batman movies (counting BvS and forthcoming titles as the current generation, which also mesh) I feel it’s going to be hard for audiences to separate any joker in that context from Ledger’s unless it’s a seriously out-of-the-ballpark hit rendition thereof.
@f00l maybe @Thumperchick is secretly Harley Quinn?
@f00l aww, puddin! I’m just a fan of Mista J’s work.
So I just got out of the screening I saw about half an hour ago. Here’s what myself and my two companions thought of Suicide Squad:
Key Points
Almost every line that got a positive reaction from the audience was in the trailer.
Several people in our Auditorium got up and left mid movie. Further the auditorium next to ours started an hour after our showing began and people were bailing from that theater when we came out.
Those who have read about the production history of this film will probably not be surprised to hear that the film as shown is a disorganized mess. We had a universal consensus among the three of us that the movie never really got its feet under it leaving each scene feeling disjointed and disconnected from its surrounding scenes.
Any semblance of a cohesive plot seems to have been left on the cutting room and there may or may not have been a fan service factor involved. More details to follow the verdict in order to accommodate those who wish to avoid spoilers.
Verdict
While the film had some redeeming qualities and we’re not sure that the Joker got enough cohesive screen time to get a good feel for this version of the Joker overall we felt that this movie was something of a letdown. I’m not sure that letdown is the correct word considering we’d read the reviews going into it but it was certainly a far cry from what we expected when the trailer first appeared. We’re very happy that thanks to T-Mobile we only spent $0.59 apiece on our tickets but we can’t honestly say it was money well spent either. I do not recommend paying to see this movie in theaters and I’m not sure I’d pay to see it on demand unless it was the director’s cut, one has to wonder how badly too many cooks screw this one up.
Grade Score: D-
Star Score: 0.5
Tomato Score: it’s that tomato that somehow escaped the produce drawer and got stuck festering behind it for 3 months before being discovered.
WARNING
Here thar be SPOILERS
Please bear in mind that this entire post comprises thoughts and information from three people who never read the comics. If something stated here is general knowledge or we get any more piece of information wrong we apologize.
The biggest problem with the whole movie is that a tight consistent plot is not established from the get-go. The main antagonist of the film is a character named The Enchantress, a millennia-old non-human entity who along with her brother was apparently a goddess in ancient South America. She is joined by and aided by her brother part way through the movie as she ramps up her plan to destroy the world for the ancient civilizations betrayal of them. So you have key plot line one right there and if they’d kept the movie relatively tight on that point it would have been far better served in our opinion.
The second plotline that is played out involves Harley Quinn and the Joker’s relationship and dealing with the question of her involvement with the team rather than him and his efforts to rectify that situation.
The third plot line deals with forming in this band of ragtag misfit criminals into a co-operative team and addressing the antagonistic relationship between ARGUS and them. This plot line was certainly to be expected and I don’t think the movie could have done without it.
So that’s it right? 3 major plot lines. You think that would be enough but no. Throw in plot lines 4 and 5, saving Waller from The Enchantress, and saving Griggs’ love interest whose body has been co-opted by The Enchantress.
Does that seem like a lot of major plot lines going on all at once? Yeah we thought so too. Unfortunately the movie seems to have been plagued by the need to set up both The Suicide Squad franchise as well as the Harley Quinn and Joker franchise. What should have been a movie focused on introducing the squad and forming them into a cohesive team turned into a confused mess. To be honest the Joker should have had a scene at the beginning that introduced his relationship with Harley and perhaps the scene at the end where he busts in to rescue her from ARGUS. Instead he has a sideshow Act going on throughout the entire movie that distracts from the main plot.
The second major issue is that there was far too much effort put into establishing the relationship between Griggs and June Mooney whose body was co-opted by The Enchantress. They would have been far better served X playing this closer to the chest and having a series of flashbacks showing their relationship with each other building up to a final flashback where we see her turn into The Enchantress as a surprise revelation to the team right before they go into battle with her. Instead of being I need surprise they show their hand almost from the start and it results in a First Act that is bloated with Griggs and Moone scenes that do little to add to the overall story.
Reducing these two major plot lines that consumed a ton of screen time would have resulted in a much tighter film. Instead of all these plotlines competing for screen time we could have had the movie start out with establishing shots with a Joker cameo, the team being formed out of their ARGUS prison, The Enchantress’ attack, in the ensuing mission to rescue Waller from The Enchantress and put an end to The Enchantress’ plans with a surprise Revolution near the end that they also want to try to save Griggs’ love interest. Found that out with an ending scene where the Joker busts Harley out of prison and you’ve got a great lead-in to the next movie without all the distraction.
I think the jury is still out on this version of the Joker because we really didn’t get the opportunity to get a real feel for him. It’s a bit ironic because I know I’ve been talking about how he had too many scenes but they were so disjointed that you never really get a good grasp for the character. Hopefully DC gets things back on track for the upcoming films when they’ve got less establishing to accomplish.
TL;DR Suicide Squad sucks ass.
@MrsPavlov your initial post amounted to that, my post was aimed at people who wanted more information.
@jbartus ALL REFERENCES TO GRIGGS ARE WRONG, THEY SHOULD SAY RICK FLAG. TOTALLY MY FAULT, SORRY GUYS!
To build on what @jbartus said about the production for this movie being a hot mess, here’s what happened just with the cast, not even the movie itself:
Part 1:
http://io9.gizmodo.com/a-brief-history-of-suicide-squad-being-the-worst-place-1782354579
Dead animals, bullets, the cast punching each other, drunken tattoo night, and more!
Part 2:
http://io9.gizmodo.com/a-brief-history-of-suicide-squad-being-the-worst-place-1784804309
More psychological bullshit, the director secretly manipulating the cast to get the scene he wanted, and some insane preparation for roles.
Either of these stories will have a link to the history of the movie itself and things that happened there (Batman vs Superman really did a number on this one apparently).
Saw it last night. Have to say (and no surprise) that I’m in agreement. I enjoyed Robbie’s screen time (again, no surprise), but all the best lines were in the trailer. Will Smith as a lead in this role was odd to me. He’s way too fatherly and seemed way too kind-hearted to play Lawton. The CW’s version from Arrow was better that this portrayal.
The plot line focused around the Enchantress was strange as well, and frankly super-dumb. It was a lot like Avengers’ Ultron, where they created the big bad, then had to fight it. Only this time I was confused since Waller had to use the team to stop the person/thing that convinced the military to form the team in the first place.
I still love Margot Robbie, but that train-wreck of a movie was hella-stupid. And that mid-end-credit scene? Da fuk?
@ACraigL
This sort of result can come from having a huge property, a huge budget, a built-in fanbase, a concrete deadline, endless pre-release rumor, lots of ego, lots of $, an incoherent shoot, and especially no story so you just kinda pretend on the storyline.
@f00l don’t forget trying to launch not one but two movie franchises in a single film.
@f00l
the entire script was written in 6 weeks. if they spent any more time on it the film couldve been delayed.
@communist
I guess delaying the film would have cause a shooting delay, release delay, very $$$ possible disaster. I guess getting a great script up front was a no-go for one reason.
So instead they have this release, and no way that’s a disaster, right?
Armchair critic. No skin in game. My perceptions are worth the fat zero that no-one paid for them.
All good.
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/die-antwoord-accuse-suicide-squad-of-stealing-their-style-post-video-of-evidence-a7182711.html
@connorbush Uhhhm… ok? Reminds me of:
@ELUNO uhhh wtf. lol. are they being serious in this video?
@ELUNO update. they got fired for that. and she looks like lord farquaad
@connorbush lol, it gets more uncomfortable as each second passes and you realize she is serious. People kind of cheer at the beginning thinking she was complimenting him or something.
@ELUNO
Those two can either disappear from public view, or vie for most despised.
@ELUNO Here’s his performance as well:
the movie sucked ass…all they did was walk around and say “lets do this” and they never did until the end of the movie and all that killed the monster was a manmade c4…if all they needed was a c4 why did they need suicide squad…probably the most stupidest movie I’ve ever seen… they kept showing Harley with her small ass and tiny tits and her stupid fucking punchlines and all she did was hold a fucking bat the whole movie like you people must be fucking retarded if you thought the movie was good. And OMG don’t even get me started about harley…all they did was show her ass and small tits throughout the whole movie like they were going out of style and her stupid fucking bat she held the whole time and her fucking stupid punchlines like stfu and save the world already. Probably like the dumbest fucking movie in the world…
@Elijah420 you complained about Harley two times…
@Elijah420
So you didn’t like it?
The first one third of the movie was simply introducing characters badly. I watched it this week and fell asleep at about the halfway mark I kind of regret going back and finishing watching the movie the second day
I just read the news today, the director said, if he could turn back time or hava time machine, he will re write the story and make joker as the main villain… but the movie got 700 million