@cinoclav We just need the very bottom right. Wonder who that could be.

@cinoclav

@cinoclav

@Mehrocco_Mole Duh… okay then. Take your idiotic white supremacist idolism and go play with the other brain damaged Trumpers.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/obamagate-birtherism-all-over-again/611692/

@Mehrocco_Mole FYI - His name is Bowe. If someone can’t even manage to spell his name correctly it pretty much nullifies any validity therein.

Here, I don’t have time to make a misspelled meme just to sate your adolescence. Feel free to read all about Trump’s turpitude.
https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/the-complete-listing-so-far-atrocities-1-842.

@Mehrocco_Mole
Jesus that’s desperate.
It must really fuck with your mind not to be able to accept that Trump is a corrupt fraud, as the documented evidence just keeps piling up and up and up.

@cinoclav @Mehrocco_Mole Keep drinking the hand sanitizer and bleach-it’s obviously affecting your pea size brain. And keep watching Faux news and cartoons along with the Orange Skidmark.

@IndifferentDude Maybe you are indifferent to what is going on in this country and it is sad that there are so many people like you around. With the most important election in our lifetime coming up, we all need to reminded to get out and vote and flush this POS and everyone else who supports him down the toilet. Our future survival depends on it.

@Felton10 @IndifferentDude /giphy butthurt

@Kidsandliz You can be pardoned prior to being convicted, or even charged.

@MrMark Well that is a pity. Didn’t know that.

@Kidsandliz It’s widely accepted that he’s going to resign and make Pence pardon him the day before the inauguration. It’s going to be a wild ride, and Obama scared me a lot last night. It’s the opinion of a constitutional scholar (his specialty), and as the former president, that we risk losing everything.

@OldCatLady I know and am with you on that. Lets hope we don’t go the way of Rome, or Cambodia, or any lost civilization…

@Kidsandliz @MrMark

You can be pardoned prior to being convicted, or even charged.

For example, re Nixon.

@Kidsandliz @OldCatLady Widely accepted or not, unfortunately, there is NOTHING in his character that would allow him to resign from this powerful a position. because he’s NEVER done anything wrong (In his mind)

@Kidsandliz @MrMark that just doesn’t seem fair. So basically willingly committing crimes have no risk when your buddy is the president.

@f00l @Kidsandliz @MrMark Yeah but Nixon was crazier than a bedbug. It was documented. Even back then it shows you what the US is capable of voting into office at times.

@Kidsandliz @OldCatLady wouldn’t it be funny if Trump did resign last day, but Pence DIDN’T pardon Trump.

I suspect it would be political suicide to pardon Trump. Pence pardons Trump and he will never win a Republican primary let alone a general election.

Once Trump is out of office and no longer controls the intelligence services and judicial branch under a gun I suspect we’re going to hear all sorts of horrific crap that’s been covered up.

This is the guy who ran with the mob bosses in the 80’s, talks like a mob boss, and governs like a mob boss. I can only imagine how deep his criminality runs. We’ll be discovering about crimes he committed in office for decades.

Bet he moves to Russia after the election to avoid future prosecution.

@OnionSoup Pence is 61 and might not care about a political career anymore as he can get rich off of the far right and the diehard Trump fans who will venerate him for pardoning Trump by what he will be able to command in speaker fees or lobbying group fees or however else folks like that get even richer. He won’t have to work as hard that way either.

And of course if enough of the group who loves him for the pardon lives in his old congressional district they could vote him back into his ederal representative district job whenever that comes up next such that he could get on the ballot. Depending on how rich he is (or not) he might motivated to finish out his 20 years for a full federal pension (well unless pension rules are different for congress). And, of course, he already has his golden health insurance for life.

@OnionSoup Russia… Florida… Same thing.

@Dog19026

I brought up Nixon as an example of someone who was pardoned (by Pres Ford) while not having been formally charged, let alone tried;
without that pardon, Nixon might have been charged and tried later.

The pardon pre-empted the institution of charges against Nixon himself, tho his subordinates were still at risk.

Pardoning is only relevant for FEDERAL CRIMES. Not for any state crimes, of which he has also committed many.

For example, he would not be pardoned for any of the New York tax crimes he is currently under intense investigation.

@Kidsandliz He may not want to be pardoned, as once one is pardoned, they aren’t allowed to take the Fifth regarding the crimes for which they were pardoned.

@klynb I don’t know much about how or why one gets pardoned or what the consequences are for doing do. Of course he since he frequently lies likely it wouldn’t be a problem for him to lie rather than take the 5th.

@haydesigner

In any case: if T were pardoned, would you expect his conduct to change after that?

I assume that if a prosecutor can find legit stuff to investigate now, if a pardon happened, there would also be stuff happening after such a pardon that is a legit to investigate.

@f00l There need to be more people in this world like you.

@f00l isn’t it funny… He “drained the swamp” and refilled it with toxic waste.

@OnionSoup

Re swamp-draining:

Given Trump’s campaign tactics, list of backers, refusal to be honest or honorable, refusal to do standard financial disclosures, failure remove himself from being in a position to financially benefit directly from his political policies:

Wasn’t it pretty obvious that this presidency would be as corrupt as any in history, if not more so?

Quite apart from the (lack of) honor or wisdom of his policies.

All the administrations since the end of the Cold War (for example) have made enormous errors in foreign policy,and in consequence, in domestic policy. These admins did not, to my mind, correctly understand many of the current and future threats were both highly likely to occur, and seriously dangerous.

Instead, in foreign policy, we’ve been like gullible and naive schoolchildren, whether R or D, susceptible to sloganeering, to ignoring things we didn’t want to see, instead of actually paying attention to likely developments and threats.

If we’d had a perfect electorate, president, congress, educational system for the last 30 years, maybe we would be ready now for what comes over the next 20 years. Or maybe not.

But we didn’t. And we weren’t.

And then we got Trump. He’s managed to bring things way too close to the destruction of many of the best and most productive aspects of this country. He’s massively destructive in every possible area.

And our adversaries and competitors didn’t wait around during the last 30 years, and are watching our current chaotic madness with glee.

China, for instance, wants social, economic, military, technical, IT, and scientific world domination. 4 or 8 years of Trump in charge is exactly the golden opportunity China never dreamed it could get from us. Now that they’ve learned to mess with his head, they’re ecstatic.

He allows them to contemplate speeding up their timeline for domination by, perhaps, in the extreme case, up to half a century

It matters not if Trump gets along well with China, or hates them. It matters not if he takes them on, approves of them, or ignores them.
He’s so domestically and internationally incompetent l, and creates so much chaos, and is so susceptible to the private headgames they use on him
(all the while playing their #2 “striver” role in public to perfection)
that he’s practically a gift to them.

Trump may kowtow to Russia or may be obsequious to various dictators, but its China who has made him their tool;
all the while appearing in public to be his adversary: to whom he issues various threats, lectures, and praise.
(I assume the Chinese officials privately and quietly smile when he does this. And they play along in public.)

Trump’s not ever aware that he’s dancing every day to their tune.

All of us have lived all our lives with the US being “the power”.
In theory, we’ve been assigned the role of the “last best hope“, whether we have measured up or not.

How will it feel, I wonder, for the US to have a merely marginal worldwide impact on anything?

Kinda like, say, France or Belgium?

@f00l I think it’s no coincidence that China has in Trump’s last year as president:

Taken land from India and Nepal.

Threatened Taiwan diplomats that they have to support one China or get out of country.

Broken treaties on Hong Kong and removed their democracy.

Said they are going to patrol Japanese held islands to force Japan to allow Chinese fishing vessels to ship there.

China sees what the rest of the world sees. Right now, the US is the weakest it has been in over a hundred years. We have driven our allies away and stand alone and we’re run by a once in a millennia inept fool. China knows it can do more or less whatever it likes now and will face no serious consequence from Trump other than tariffs which hurt us more than them.

@OnionSoup

Exactly

Even w an ongoing Covid-19 situation, had we had a a competent president of either party China would have attempted far less aggression.

@f00l @OnionSoup
I know this is a seriously high tension forum but I think China hasn’t been the greatest for awhile. I will not get into what I believe politically but I think China has been a problem for both sides and I wish we could see China more as the powerful yet deceptive and controlling enemy it is. I personally think China is by far the number one enemy of the US now (in terms of superpowers at least).
I think everything from the theft of IP to the seriously state run media are decidedly against American wishes and Google’s project Dragon was a dangerously close move toward selling us out.

@IndifferentDude keep drinking that bleach, it is doing wonders for your thought process.

@IndifferentDude you’re right, he’s so in love with Putin, Kim, and Xi, that he’ll likely continue his quest to convert the country to a soviet-esque dictatorship, with him as the dear leader…
with his lapdogsin tow, esp Moscow Mitch, and my House Rep, Jim Jordan. (why these idiots around here keep electing him is beyond me…)

@earlyre @IndifferentDude he’s not modeling it as a Soviet dictatorship anymore than Putin is modeling Russia on a Soviet dictatorship.

Both Trump and Putin are fascists. Now, I’m not saying he is going to gas the Jews, I’m talking about fascism as a political beliefs not codeword for Nazi.

I’m not saying that because it’s a loaded word, it’s because it is in fact truth:

Right wing? Check.

Authoritarian? Check. (Surprising protests with federal agents)

Nationalism? Check. (Tariffs “America First”)

Forcible Suppression of opposition? Check, again sending in troops and police to disperse peaceful protestors. Trying to force media to be quiet.

Regimentation of society and economy? Check, keeping out immigrants. Keeping the rich rich, etc. Women have their place. People of color have their place. People of certain religions good, others bad. Forcing economy to stay on fossil fuels instead of allowing capitalism to decide.

Belief in economy being self sufficient instead of trade based? Check. Again tariffs, telling companies “make in America or else”

Belief in one party holding all power? Check. He sees everything as black and white. Democrat states are the enemy, shouldn’t get funding for disasters, etc. He sees us as two people, Democrats the enemy, instead of one people.

I’m not being funny. I’m not being silly. I’m not being a political troll. Trump IS a fascist. He checks every single one of the boxes. If anyone can’t see Trump as a fascist, even if you support him, I don’t know what would convince you.

@IndifferentDude @OnionSoup oh, he’s 100% fascist… I was trying to toy with the “red wave” BS he threw out…

And while Putin isn’t running things exactly like a Soviet premier… His long view goals seem to be reuniting his beloved USSR under his power. At least it seems like it to me.

Though I did like the description I heard the other night… Russia isn’t really a country, it’s a fossil fuel cartel pretending to be a country…

@earlyre @IndifferentDude @OnionSoup
Russia is an extraction economy with a fascist kleptocracy for government.

@earlyre @IndifferentDude @mike808 @OnionSoup

Russia is Organized Crime 2.0, the independent country (with lots of resources) version.
So far, they’re quite good at this.

Just remember, Joe Biden doesn’t have a pee-pee tape in Putin’s KGB/GRU files.

Just remember, Joe Biden didn’t brag about cheating on every single one of his wives.

Just remember, Joe Biden can make it through a 20 minute speech using coherent, articulate, and complete sentences without any signs of cognitive impairment.

Just remember, Joe Biden won’t spend more days golfing than his predecessor.

@Felton10 Just remember, Joe Biden can’t remember that “All Men are created …, with certain, uh … you know, that thing!!”

Just remember, Joe Biden doesn’t cheat on his taxes.

@mike808 Did you used to write for Letterman?? Man, are you funny!!

@IndifferentDude @mike808

@mike808 @Felton10 That was an epic speech. Funny how Biden didn’t show any signs of being slow or sleepy, huh? I’m sure Trump was crapping himself watching that. (And had some hookers over to pee on him at the same time.)

@cinoclav @mike808 It was a great speech-from the heart even though he was reading it from a tele-prompter. Any speech Trump reads he can’t even pronounce the words as (ie yo-semite-not like he even knew what that was anyway) and he looks like he is being forced to read it especially if the speech shows any compassion.

@IndifferentDude @Mehrocco_Mole @mike808
Nothing but memes.

Like I’ve told you before @Mehrocco_Mole, it IS the white racists/nationalists/alt right/nazi lovers who are starting the violence and assaults at protests. This has been confirmed by the FBI.

And they definitely have been the ones killing cops. I can’t believe whoever made the moronic meme even out that there. That’s the dumbest part.

@funco49 You know it’s all about him. So the pardons will be giveaways like Oprahs gave away cars.

While the sentiment is correct the term is not. There is nothing, not one thing, democratic about the DEMOCRAT party.

@Mehrocco_Mole-Well tell us what the Republican party stands for if that is such a big deal to you. All I can see if racism, lies, destroying the environment and putting more money into the pocket of those who don’t need it. With all the disgusting, illegal, immoral, and self serving things Trump has done in office-that is more than enough of a reason to vote him out of office. Anyone is better than him.

@Felton10 @Mehrocco_Mole
Don’t equate Republicans with Trump. Trump became a republican less than a decade ago and doesn’t stand for the same thing as Republicans.

Record breaking national debt, expensive vanity projects, tariffs, eroding constitutional rights, bashing the military and intelligence services, eroding our military alliances overseas. Centralizing power in DC instead of in States.

None of these things are Republican ideals. Some Republicans vote for Trump out of inertia or party loyalty, but the ones who actively follow the news and what’s really going on, and the true party ideology don’t like him even if they vote for him to keep Democrats out.

Don’t confuse racially insecure whiny-pants with Republicans. Trump is a republican in name only. He goes against more of what the party stands for than he stands for.

@Mehrocco_Mole @OnionSoup I understand completely but since they have enabled him because going against him would be political suicide they now own him. It is fair to assume if he is re-elected they will continue their head in the sand approach, and let Trump be Trump. So they should be held accountable for any of his misdeeds.

@Mehrocco_Mole I don’t love anything about the Democrat party.
In fact, I have come to HATE the two party system.

People treating politics like team sports. Fanatically supporting their team, solely because it’s their team. Win, lose, cheat, lie, steal - team loyalty for life.

I’m not a member or fan of any team. Never have been, never will be.
Nonetheless, it’s always been clear to me that the Republican party are the more skilled and accomplished liars and cheats.
Democrats try, no doubt, but they’re terrible at it.

Politics today is like baseball in the '00s. It’s the Red Sox vs. The Yankees. Red v. Blue. “The Idiots” vs. “The Evil Empire”. And fans willing to beat the crap out of each other for wearing the wrong color hat.

If you have any ‘love’ for the Republican party, I feel sorry that you’re that weak minded and out of touch with reality.

@DennisG2014 @Mehrocco_Mole this is 100% how I feel. I hate how it’s my team vs your team in politics. People don’t look at the man in charge on his merits and vices, they look at what team he is on. Is he my party?

I wish there a way to completely eliminate parties. Vote on the policies of the individual, not how you view their party.

Also, I wish they didn’t show the party of the candidate at the voting booth. Just show the name of the candidate. If you don’t even know what party someone belongs to without the ballot telling you, do you really know enough about that person to vote for them?

@OnionSoup Finally! Someone with reason. No name calling, degrading remarks, or personal attacks. I seriously congratulate you. (And no, I’m not being sarcastic)
For too long we as a country complain about the party in power (doesn’t matter which one) as being the source of evil. If that party was a Rep. than we need to get a Dem. into the position of power to save us all. A couple years later the Dem. we elected doesn’t do as expected so we elect a Rep. to fix things. Things don’t get fixed so we turn to the latest Dem. to come up through the ranks and elect them to take over. On and on and on we flip-flop back and forth between Rep. and Dems, Dems and Reps. The only difference is the color of their tie.
Former VP Biden was a US Senator for 36 years and the VPOTUS for 8. With that much time in office why is there anything that still needs fixing? Pres. Trump has been in office for almost 4 years yet all the woes of the country are his fault? Nope. I don’t buy it. Not drinking that Kool-Aid.
Is Pres. Trump perfect? Nope. Does he have all the answers? Again nope. So why support him?
Because he has the potential to take this country in a new direction. He has given so many people back their hopes and dreams. (lowest unemployment rate for both the Black and Hispanic communities. More funding for Traditional Black Colleges and Universities than ever before) He does support LEGAL immigration. For Gods sake his wife, our FLOTUS, is a legal immigrant. He cut your taxes. I don’t hear anyone refusing that extra money in their paycheck. And how many companies gave a $1000 bonus or more to their employees when corporate taxes were cut? Even Wal-Mart is on that list.
In the words of Rand Paul (who is a Republican but not necessarily a Trump supporter), “Donald Trump signed historic, first-in-a-generation criminal justice reform legislation with the First Step Act, the first step to undo the damage of both Biden and Harris.”
He continues, “He has changed our foreign policy away from the hawks of both parties, and he became the first president in memory to not start a war in his term in office — and is working to end the ones he inherited.”
He concludes with, “As America watches the Democratic ticket this week at their convention, I urge them to look closely. Look at the issues, the record and the facts, rather than the rhetoric and promises of the speeches.”
“Perhaps you’ll find, as I did, that Donald Trump beats Joe Biden and Kamala Harris on these issues, and it’s not even that close.”

Someone said earlier that President Trump used to be a Democrat (true) and now calls himself a Republican (also true) but in fact he is not a Republican. And THAT ladies and gentlemen is the best reason I can think of to support him as the President of the United States.

BTW: Notice nobody answered what they love about the Democrat party?

[edit] I forgot to source Rand Paul. HERE in USA Today

@Mehrocco_Mole @OnionSoup
“Donald Trump is a delusional narcissist and an orange-faced windbag.”
Also Rand Paul, before he was forced to bow before Trump in order to keep his cushy career in politics.

There is not a single Republican who can be taken seriously when they praise Donald Trump.
Before he became their dear leader, they knew he’d be the worst thing ever to happen to this country.
Now they’ve sold their souls to retain power.
One wonders what he has on them to make them kiss his ring with such passion.

They all knew.

@DennisG2014 I’d guess it is because he is incredibly vindictive.

@Mehrocco_Mole @OnionSoup One has to survive in-spite of the government and the politicians that ruin it.
Companies that got tax-cuts did not pass it on to their employees. The rich owners got richer and the deficit ballooned, which will affect Social Security and Medicare down the road. Walmart gave out the bonuses because they were losing employees to Target and Costco and other stores that paid higher hourly wages. It was cheaper to give out bonuses than to increase their hourly wages and it looked good.

Trump supports legal immigration only for select European countries and he said so himself.
https://www.vox.com/2018/1/11/16880750/trump-immigrants-shithole-countries-norway

“In 2001, future First Lady Melania Trump received an exceptional ability green card for her work as a fashion model”. We can all try to guess what that exceptional ability is.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/02/genius-green-card-visa-nobel-prize-trump/

"Mitch McConnell planned total obstruction of President Obama and his policies during a gathering at the Caucus Room, on the day Obama was inaugurated.
McConnell’s plot demanded that congressional Republicans unite by stifling Obama on everything, even things Republicans support, saying, “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.”
That is the main reason that nothing could be achieved during that presidency.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/12/18/letter-what-about-mitch-mcconnells-plan-to-totally-obstruct-obama/

Just like Trump has wasted 4 years building a wall that cannot be built, Obama should have abandoned the ACA if it could not have been done correctly even if the intent was right. The lobbyists won and many of us lost.
Instead of working to fix it, the Republicans spent 10 years trying to get rid of it and it only affects a fraction of the population. But it makes good sound bites. And, Mitch is planning to do the same again.
https://www.sourcepolitics.com/mitch-mcconnell-if-trump-loses-in-2020-im-blocking-everything/

Bush gave us the gasoline tax with higher prices and other long term costs of the Gulf War, Obama gave me the ACA tax, and we will be paying for Trump, long after he is gone. The Fed cannot pump money forever and not have repercussions. The only reason we have not seen any, is because the other countries are devaluing their currencies faster than the US, but at some point something will break.
The second term of any president is always worse than the first, because they cannot get elected again, and they don’t give a shit anymore.

@Mehrocco_Mole I’m a Democrat because I believe in the core principles of protecting the environment, protecting the weak, equality, diplomacy, and fairness. Of course the Democratic party often fails to live up to this, just as the Republican party fails to live up to its principles. But since realistically in our two-party system those are the two choices, the Democratic party better reflects my core ideals. That said, I frequently vote for Republican candidates on down ticket races. I’ve always voted for Democrats for president, although I did seriously consider John McCain. He was a noble, principled, honorable man who genuinely believed in public service. Then came Palin and I voted Democrat. But I liked Reagan, Bush senior had his fine points, and I liked McCain a lot. It takes an exceptionally like-minded Republican or an exceptionally bad Democrat to cause me to cross parties. But I certainly will. I would argue that Trump is an exceptionally bad Republican.

@moondrake THANK YOU! Someone finally answered the question. All you said is reasonable and very acceptable. Personally, I never trusted neither Bush Sr. nor Jr. and did not care for McCain. And I consider myself conservative.
I think the main difference between Dems and Reps is that in the rat race we call life the Democrats want everyone to finish the race together despite anyone’s individual effort. The Republicans are striving to get everyone to the same starting line. Their finish is dependent on the effort applied.
Of course this is the ideal not the reality. As you said, “… the Democratic [sic] party often fails to live up to this, just as the Republican party fails to live up to its principles.”

BTW: It’s the Democrat party not the democratic party. Democratic implies three wolves and a sheep voting on what’s for dinner.

@craigthom That appears to be it in as nutshell. If you can convince low information people whose life is in the crapper that it is someone else’s fault rather than their own and that you have the magic cure, they will follow you anywhere. That is how Trump won is 2016.

@craigthom @Felton10
In a nutshell, this is the systemic racism we see today as the legacy of slavery and the Civil War.

If you can convince low information people whose life is in the crapper that it is someone else’s fault rather than their own…

Like people whose skin is a different color, so you know you’re not one of them.

The politics of “the other” is deeply destructive to every value enumerated in our founding documents, the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights.

Originalism is a failed judicial position if a real, viable solution to the racism inherent in the time those documents were written, who wrote them, and the larger global geopolitical and economic contexts in which they were written.

Ignoring that is condemning all of future America to those unresolvable failings.

@Felton10 It may well be someone else’s fault, but if your wages are too low or stagnant, if the cost of your medical care and medication is going through the roof, if your job is being sent to Mexico, then the people causing your problems sure as hell aren’t the ones worse off than you are.

@zinimusprime the one solution here is we need to get rid of all the people. If we get rid of the people there will be no crooks.

@OnionSoup @zinimusprime
Dog/Cat 2020!

@zinimusprime Probably because most of the folks who refuse to compromise see life as a fixed pie - the more you have the less I have and vise versa (so a distributive issue and the fairest outcome here is settle on the “middle”/split the difference) even when that isn’t the case (called a fixed pie bias).

What they miss is that if you negotiate on a group of issues (instead of doing them one by one) much of the time people value each issue differently and so can have trade offs, coming to an integrative agreement. Doing it this way usually means everyone gets more of what they want by trading things off (eg giving up more or all of what they value less to get more or all of what they value more) than if they split the difference on each issue.

What is ironic is that because people withhold information when negotiating they often miss there may be some things they 100% agree on (eg a congruent issue) and then often settle for the “second best” because they figure, without checking it out, that they will never agree on their “first choice” solution and a “second choice” outcome isn’t a bad deal. When this happens both (or all) parties loose.

Of course if they are in a situation where everyone cares the most about the same issue and have diametrically opposite views then you are back to compromise because you have a fixed pie.

The other problem that gets in the way of good agreements/solutions is that people tend to negotiate over the “solutions” (positions) they have already decided will “solve” the problem “their way” rather than look at the underlying issues. If people put aside their positions/solutions and talked about the underlying problem/issues they might find even better solutions than the ones already on the table.

The trouble is most come into negotiations already fixated on their solution/position and don’t back it up to discuss all the potential solutions/positions to the problem they are trying to solve/agree on. They never really take the step to talk about the all potential universe of solutions to the underlying issues (they just talk about the positions/solutions on the table already). As a result they can miss even better solutions that both parties missed and might might be “better”. As a result agreements that would make both parties/all parties more satisfied with the outcomes are missed as they were never even talked about.

@OnionSoup Here, here for eradication of the human race! Who’s with me?!

/giphy charge!

@Kidsandliz Yup.

@zinimusprime You go first.

(Did you really mean to say everything instead of some things?

@OnionSoup @zinimusprime If we are getting rid of the human race, that means Trump will still be living.

@Kidsandliz @zinimusprime One of my best skills in 30 years of being a bureaucrat was sitting in meetings and listening to people argue for a while and hearing the common ground. Then taking the floor, articulating the common ground, getting everyone on the same page on some issues which made it a lot easier to negotiate where they didn’t agree. And even if we couldn’t come to an understanding on points where people genuinely disagreed, we would always leave with some things accomplished on common ground issues, which made it easier to proceed later.

@blaineg

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Did you really mean to say everything instead of some things?
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Yes, lol

@Thumperchick You mean see it happening here, I assume.
Otherwise, your notifications are going to blow up.

@Felton10

1. It’s Democrat Governors keeping our economy shut down. It’s a states -rights issue that the federal government has no say over.
2. President Trump was proactive in stopping travel from China while Pelosi was inviting people to China Town. “Hey come on out and party.” “There’s nothing to worry about, trust me.”
   
3. I call BS. There is nothing President Trump did or could have done to create these storms. So what was the excuse in 1933?

And cue the name calling…

@Mehrocco_Mole

1. This whole mess would have been under control a lot earlier (like most of the other developed countries) if Trump has not called it a Democratic Hoax and said the few cases would disappear on its own. His own inaction and thinking he knows more on everything that anyone else contributed to this economic disaster. So yes-he is directly responsible for the continued unemployment.
   2 . Trump’s order did not fully “close” the U.S. off to China, as he asserts. It temporarily barred entry by foreign nationals who had traveled in China within the previous 14 days, with exceptions for the immediate family of U.S. citizens and permanent residents. Americans returning from China were allowed back after screening at select ports of entry and for 14 days afterward. But U.S. scientists say screenings can miss people who don’t yet show symptoms of COVID-19; while symptoms often appear within five or six days of exposure, the incubation period is 14 days.
2. Anyone with half a brain (which excludes most Trump supporters) knows that global warming is responsible for the increase in violent weather. Trump’s assault on environmental laws which put controls on business have directly contributed to global warming.

Oh-I forgot Trump is such a stable genius that one can’t ignore that he is an expert on everything. As you said BS.

@Felton10 @Mehrocco_Mole you…do…realize… that there is a massive difference between China… ( a large foreign country), and a City’s China Town( a small region of a city, mostly populated by Chinese Immigrants/people of Chinese Descent…)

and by “fully Close off” are you referring to the fact that once people got here, and the Customs & immigration folks who you have to deal with to actually get into the US, since they had no tests available to use to screen the incoming passengers were told by their higher ups, just…just let’em go. (besides which, most of the tests we’ve had until recently, in any type of volume, end up taking up to 14 days to get results back to the person. )

also we could have been testing for this LONG before we were… the WHO had a test, that much of the world used. we were offered it, this administration turned it down, instead insisting on the U$ pharma $ector make their own.

@IndifferentDude That $ 20 bill is as fake as he is.

@IndifferentDude he’s had nearly 4 years and he hasn’t made anything “great again” yet.

@medz Apparently you are not paying attention. How’s your paycheck looking lately. Of course I’m assuming you have one despite the economic shutdown that the Democrats are keeping alive.

@IndifferentDude I have one of these. I think it’s great! (pun intended)

@Mehrocco_Mole about the same. No raises recently and my retirement has a negative personal rate of return. I was supposed to get a promotion this year, but the out of control covid pandemic dashed those hopes. Probably won’t have budget for raises for several years now.

@Felixaurelius I think you misspelled edified. On this thread I think the spelling is f-ified

@Felixaurelius @Kidsandliz If people would stop with the name calling and personal attacks and start backing up their “facts” with a source this could be a civil discussion.

“Trump is a racist!” Really? Why? What did he do to become a racist? When did he do it? Please be specific.

“Biden is suffering from Alzheimer’s Disease!” Really? According to what medical Doctor? Where did you get this info? Are you perhaps an MD? Please be specific.

I support President Trump because the alternative scares the hell out of me. If you want me to change my support and vote for someone else than convince me I’m wrong. And trust me you won’t do it by calling me names.

(BTW: the you in the previous paragraph was an editorial you and not aimed at any specific individual.)

@Mehrocco_Mole I’d be satisfied to see mutual recognition that nobody remembers those kinds of details who doesn’t have a lot of time to spare compiling them and retaining them. That and mutual recognition that spouting off a broad impression never will be persuasive. Then, don’t expect everyone else to have the same impression walking into a conversation.

I mean, I agree, substance would be ideal, but that’s very expensive.

@Felixaurelius @Kidsandliz @Mehrocco_Mole

So the alternative scares the hell out of you and Trump doesn’t. May I ask why is that?

You complain about name calling and Trump is the one who has pet insulting names for everyone and who bought civil discourse about politics down to this level. You are OK with that also.

Makes me wonder about your thought process.

@sjk3 they haven’t accepted the results of 2000 or 2004 either. Gore, Kerry as well as Clinton believed they were cheated. I see a trend.

@sjk3 I think you’re mixing up a lot of things that vary in the details there… the FBI investigation of Russian influence on the last election is messy. It could be both justified and have some jackass who lied to get a warrant. Prosecuters abusing their position is the system functioning normally, unfortunately. It’s less of a smoking gun than you’d think. (my source being the All the President’s Lawyers podcast–no legal expertise here.)

@sjk3 Maybe in you dreams, on faux snooze and in the stable geniuses head all of those things have been proven, but in the real world none of that is true. Stop drinking bleach and hand sanitizer and youe confusion will clear up right away.

@sjk3 You left out #3 which is an ABSOLUTE must!! 3. BE A DEMOCRAT!! They NEVER get prosecuted for their crimes which are too numerous to mention!!

@IndifferentDude @sjk3
Project much?

@IndifferentDude @mike808 @sjk3 Yes @mike808, yes you do.

@IndifferentDude @sjk3 Yeah, isn’t it amazing how a Republican run government doesn’t seem to be able to find enough evidence to charge and convict Democrats for all they’ve done wrong? All that red rage is blinding you. In the race for charges and indictments Republicans have a very, very healthy lead.

@cinoclav @IndifferentDude @sjk3

@cinoclav @sjk3 Only reason the demon-craps aren’t convicted is because they bought and paid-off all of the judges!! Not for long though! They’re all headed to the slammer in Trump’s 2nd term!! Hallelujah!!

@IndifferentDude wow you must have lots of evidence of such bribes and corruption! No? You don’t? Oh…just like Trump and his wild, baseless accusations.

@IndifferentDude Hannity? Is that you?

@IndifferentDude
Do you even comprehend what you write?
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/07/15/how-trump-compares-with-other-recent-presidents-in-appointing-federal-judges/

Does your idiocy just come naturally to you, or do you have to work at it?

@mike808 There will be a Majority of Republicans in the House & Senate after the election with enough members in each to Guarantee a Majority Vote that will be able to override ANY Objection or attempted Filibuster by the totally defeated and humiliated demon-rats!! Therefore, ALL of Trump’s nominees for judges will be unanimously approved!! HA HA!! Can’t wait!! #REDWAVE #TRUMP2020 #MAGA

@IndifferentDude @mike808
wow this is sad lol

@mike808 I find it hysterical that several of the judges Trump has appointed have actually ruled against him.

@IndifferentDude You really ought to see a doctor about your delusions. The House is gone and was never in play and Republicans are shitting in their pants about loosing the Senate. And why do you think the Orange Skidmark is telling lie after lie-because the truth hurts.

@Felton10 Yes Mam!! I’ll get right on that as soon as you see a psychiatrist to cure your Trump Derangement Syndrome!! Hope you and your fellow idiots on here can survive the next 4 years with TRUMP as YOUR PRESIDENT!! HA!! HA!! HA!!

@IndifferentDude The fact that are brain dead idiots like you walking around and not in a mental institution scares me more. You either must have been dropped on your head as a baby, mental retardation runs in your family or you went to Trump U.

@Felton10 Time for your bottle little lady!

@IndifferentDude The bottom line is that I may have TDS like you said, but it will go away quickly after he is defeated, but you will be stupid and an idiot forever.

@Felton10 @IndifferentDude I know someone who could use one of those!

@IndifferentDude
/giphy so funny eye roll

@IndifferentDude Not if we flush enough toilets-that is where he and all the other turds who support him belong.

@Felton10 That’s so funny I forgot to laugh!!
/image lisa loopner

@Felton10 You are a diseased, twisted little shit, ain’t ya Felton?

@onlyonetruth I thought you wanted to have a substantive fact based discussion with me but you disappeared like the gutless scared wimp we all know you are. You claim you didn’t want to use your main name as you were afraid the “radical left” would attack you. Bull shit–you are the same as all of the pussy grabber’s supporters-no balls, no brains and probably retarded to boot.

Let me tell you something numbnuts. I’ve had over 40 letters to the editor posted in my local newspaper-most in the past years critical of Trump. I started to get anon letters from one POS tRump supporter like you threatening me. He had my name and looked up my address. But did I hide under my bed like a chicken shit like you-NO-I continued to write letter because I believe in standing up for what I believe.

So take your comments and stick them up your ass-right next to where your head is.

@Felton10 I actually work and have a family. I don’t prioritize futile efforts to educate the ineducable. You spewed so much bullshit in your prior reply, that I found it almost comical (in a sad, pitiful kind of way). Still, I’m sort of fascinated by you (and far left NPC drones in general) in the way that I would be about a bizarre ocean-bottom creature or other curiosity. The problem is that you brainwashed idiots are dangerous, and given the leftist control of media and schools, there are way too many of you.

Everyone is well familiar with Karens like you who bitch and whine and spew hate toward everything you cannot or will not understand. Whether you pester your local neighborhood or soil internet forums with your relentless, mindless drivel, you’re all the same kind of pest.

You can “stand up” for what you believe all you want. When it comes down to it, none of the violence, random hate-murders, arson, destruction, and mayhem in this country are at the hand of the right. Every bit of it is your people. You consider yourself brave. That’s cute. You’re standing up to people who tolerate you despite what you are. You live in a blue state surrounded by an echo chamber of your own kind, circle-jerking your orangemanbad mantras all over each other with onanistic glee. What fun.

If it ever does come to defending ourselves and our families the old fashioned way (and for the record, I hope it never does), understand that my side has 8 trillion bullets and knows how to use them. Yours can’t quite figure out which bathroom you’re supposed to use.

@onlyonetruth
“understand that my side has 8 trillion bullets and knows how to use them. Yours can’t quite figure out which bathroom you’re supposed to use.”

Hey, tough guy. I don’t appreciate your threats. What about us gun-toting, law-abiding liberals who don’t care what bathroom people are comfortable using? We have bullets too, you know. You’re not as special as you think you are.

@onlyonetruth You may have a job and a family, but you are surely don’t have any brains. Does 8 trillion bullets and 15 guns make you feel important and worthwhile? It shouldn’t.

You are just like the 17 year old (what was he doing with a assault rifle anyway-his POS father probably gave it to him) who goes looking for trouble and claims self defense. If you are a person of color, you are yellow through and through. No use communicating with idiots like-you are not smart enough to realize the truth and if you really are a person of color and you support Trump you are even more retarded and stupider than I thought.

I am flushing you down the toilet with the rest of the turds-you belong with your own kind.

@medz Not a single threat stated or implied. Just a statement that I hope it does not come to actual organized violence, but that if it does, I’m confident of my side. You really need to reel it in a bit, champ.

@Felton10 LOL. The toilet metaphor is one that you really, really seem to love. It speaks to some deep psychological damage, perhaps from overly vigorous potty training as a child (or young adult in the case you libbies). What, exactly, do you think your mommy-figure did to you, you poor, poor, broken imbecile??

@onlyonetruth You can’t have much of a job with all the time spend posting but then again you are poorly educated Trump supporter who probably works for close to minimum wage. Keep hiding under your bed with your guns and your bullets waiting for the bogey man to come. Idiot!!!

@Felton10 You stick to your pre-packaged stereotypes as tightly as you can, or else you might have to experience reality. That can be tough for someone entirely raised on a diet of far-lefty talking points, fearful hatred of everything that goes against those talking points, and constant, unrelenting validation of how very, very special a snowflake you are for dutifully regurgitating the lefty party-line bullshit. It’s easy for you, I guess, because you simply “think” that shit is real.

BTW - we already established that I work for minimum wage in a Mexican factory making methanol hand sanitizer. Can’t you remember anything outside of your silly lefty mantras?!?

Sheesh. It’s like talking to a 2-year old. Wait, strike that. A 2-year old will eventually grow up, and if properly raised, will think for himself. That’s not you, Felton.

@onlyonetruth threat was plenty implied. Just like someone pointing an assault rifle at peaceful protestors. You felt the need to point out how many bullets you have. We get it, you have big guns. Sooo scary.
/giphy eyeroll

@medz You’re silly. I don’t mean that in an endearing sense or anything. You are a very silly, unserious, and, dare I repeat myself, silly little fool.

@onlyonetruth “I may be a fool, but I have more bullets than you!”

(that’s what you sound like)

@medz Are you trying to make a point of some kind, or are you just drunk again?

@medz @onlyonetruth The only point he has is on the top of his head so not enough room for any brains as his posted indicate.

@Felton10 @medz What you twits count as witty retorts is just… perfect. I am dealing with someone with the emotional and intellectual maturity of a spoiled 7 year old.

Yet you idiots amuse me. Trump has moved into your vacuous heads, where he lives rent-free.

@medz @onlyonetruth The only 7 year old I see is our POS pervert President who still thinks calling names and bullying people is the right way to go. And of course the 7 year olds who voted for him.

@Felton10 @medz You were doing ok there for a bit, but then you went and screwed it up at the end. Everyone knows that the people who illegally vote (illegal aliens, the dead, children, whatever it takes) are the dems. EVERYONE knows that.

Nice effort, though. Nancy P will still share some of her ice cream with you maybe. If you illegally cut her hair.

@Felton10 Nah. You’re just taking the lefty bait and regurgitating their nonsense. The left are doing everything they can to steal this election. They have already laid the groundwork. When Trump wins (in a likely electoral landslide), they will start producing mail in ballots to get the steal. Al Franken’s trunk is only one place they’ll have to look. They now created this entire BS post office hoax narrative to facilitate their con. And you proggies just suck at their teats and pat yourselves on the back for being so very Smart ™.

@onlyonetruth You are bat shit crazy. You have bought Trump’s alternative reality hook line and sinker. I feel sorry for someone who so out of touch with what is really going on. I can’t imagine what kind of job you have. Can’t be one that requires any analytic thinking because you have none. Zero. Nada.

@Felton10 Bat shit crazy, sure, sure. But still far more aware of the world than you and your fellow gullible fools. And as I repeatedly told you, I work for minimum wage in a Mexican factory making methanol hand sanitizer.

Try once - just once - to actually research, dig into, and understand a topic before ejaculating your party-line jism all over the place. I know, I know - you did. Except you didn’t, or else you would recognize the bullshit you just spewed for what it is.

@Felton10 I don’t know if you’re too dense to understand the words that I’m using, or if you think you’re being clever by just boneheadedly sticking to your same groove. I’ll explain it one more time for you. I’ll type slowly, so you can try to keep up.

I was asked by someone earlier why I don’t have the balls to post under my “real” name. I explained that I have the balls, but not the patience. There was some back and forth on this, but it comes down to me just keeping it simple. In my other gently used account, though I didn’t have a lot of posts, I had some in which I identified roughly where I live, one that has a picture of my dog, and several that describe specifically what I do for a living (when I’m taking a break from the Mexican methanol hand sanitizer gig).

Because enough of your type are batshit crazy Antifa, BLM, Marxist agitator riot types, it’s not a deep stretch to consider it among the realm of possibilities that one of your bros might dox and find me.

With that said, I do have guns and ammo. I have them for the defense of myself and my family, and though thankfully I’ve never had to use them in that way, I’m willing to if necessary. So if one of your people show up at my place and I’m forced to deal with xer, then I’m prepared to do that.

But I don’t want to. I do not have the patience to deal with the hassles and paperwork that kind of thing creates. Plus, ammo is expensive these days, and you just aren’t worth it.

@onlyonetruth If sleeping with a gun under your pillow makes you feel safe-knock yourself out. Never owned a gun and never will. Never needed one to make me feel safe or better about myself unlike Trump supporters who equate guns to penis size. Your are probably approve of that 17 year old turd fucker who went looking for trouble and killed two people. Whoever gave that underage POS that assault rifle should be hung up by their balls, but I am sure you think it was alright for him to have it and use it.

You may able to express yourself better that most of Trump’s toothless retard supporters, but you are just as crazy and misguided as they are. And maybe some day you will wake up when something that pussy grabber did affects you directly, but by then it will be too late.

@Felton10 That’s an interesting rant. Quite unexpected and original. Wait. No. You’re just stuck on lefty-greatest-hits-on-repeat. Well, good on you for sticking to your script. Attaboy and all that.

But why the non sequitur about Biden at the end?

@onlyonetruth I guess someone who has no respect for women and isn’t married would consider rape, walking in on underage girls while they are dressing and cheating on his wife with a porn star right after she had a baby nothing. But the fact that you live in never never land totally divorced from reality means you never have to confront facts as they exist in the real world. I am sure you believe Trump’s BS about millions would have died had he not him kept for few Chinese out of this country while calling Covid-19 a Democratic hoax and saying it will disappear on its own. Meanwhile close to 1,000 Americans are dying everyday and all he can say is “It is what it is”.

@Felton10

But the fact that you live in never never land totally divorced from reality means you never have to confront facts as they exist in the real world.

This is coming from a blue-state proggy. Really, folks, you can’t make this shit up…

Trump probably was a womanizing jackass, but everything he did was allegedly consensual. By all indications, he has grown out of whatever his indiscretions might have been in his younger days. That you would entirely overlook Biden’s actual plausible allegation of finger rape, as well as his long and well documented history of touching, groping, sniffing, and kissing women and girls against their will… Wow. Your koolade supply must be one of the limitless perks your high-tax, high-stupidity state provides you gullible minions.

The history of how Trump handled the Chinese virus, Biden’s response, and the subsequent mercurial positions of the left depending upon their perception of public sentiment and politics in general is pretty easy to find and understand. That is, if you want to be informed. You consider yourself smart and elite, having been college indoctrinated and all. Put in some actual analytical thought - you keep claiming you are capable of doing that. Try to actually get it done.

I’m actually trying to help you stop embarrassing yourself. It’s a service us good and decent deplorables provide for free.

@onlyonetruth Several things are quite apparent to anyone who reads your posts. Even though you write coherently, you are a fucking idiot. You pick and choose facts that fit your warped sense of reality.

Your life is obviously shit and you bought Trump’s BS about only he can make it better.

And no one believes your crap about why you want to remain anonymous. You are the typical Trump supporter-gutless unless you have a gun in your hands.

And being a Trump supporter as you are, I am sure you will be the first one in line when Malaria Tramp goes on her “humjob for a vote” tour later this month. Probably beats sucking your own dick but not by much.

You’ll understand if I don’t respond to your next reply of idiocy-I flush turds down the toilet because I don’t want to see them again. And I just flushed you. Goodbye and good riddance.

@Felton10

There there. You can have the last words, lil’ libbie. All better now?

@Felton10
https://www.dailywire.com/news/anonymous-sources-tell-mag-trump-called-dead-troops-losers-5-witnesses-go-on-record-to-dispute

@Felton10
https://www.dailywire.com/news/john-bolton-already-debunked-key-claim-in-atlantic-report-on-trumps-alleged-comments-on-dead-soldiers

@Felton10 Really, you’re embarrassing yourself. Stop regurgitating every leftist hit-job as “news”. You keep saying you’re smart. At least start pretending to be…

@onlyonetruth for every complaint against Biden there are 10 against Trump.

@onlyonetruth Trump lies when he says he’s a Christian.

@onlyonetruth

Trump probably was a womanizing jackass, but everything he did was allegedly consensual. By all indications, he has grown out of whatever his indiscretions might have been in his younger days.

Um, he was 60 years old when he paid Stormy Daniels for sex in 2006, four months after Barron was born. Sorry. The “youthful indiscretions” is utter bullshit.

Furthermore, multiple accounts of multiple non-consensual sexual assaults on women, including women who worked for him (if you’re going to play the Clinton was Ms. Lewinsky’s boss card to justify that it’s OK for Trump too).
Source: Business Insider

Trump’s reputation was tied to his “playboy” image, which came with rumors of affairs. According to one report, Trump tried to get Playboy magazine to run a “Girls of Trump” spread featuring his employees, as Wayne Barrett wrote in his 1991 book “Trump, The Greatest Show on Earth: The Deals, The Downfall, The Reinvention.”

More than a dozen women have said that Trump sexually assaulted them or committed other acts of sexual impropriety, with allegations stretching back to the 1980s.

Jessica Leeds told The New York Times in 2016 that Trump “grabbed her breasts and tried to put his hand up her skirt” when the pair were seated next to each other on a flight in the early 1980s, when Trump would have been married to Ivana.

Get some help. https://rvat.org/

@onlyonetruth
More on the repeated non-consensual sexual assaults by the perv-in-chief:

A number of woman have also alleged that Trump sexually harassed or assaulted them during his relationship and marriage to Melania.

People’s Natasha Stoynoff alleged in 2016 that Trump pushed her against a wall and “shoved” his tongue “down her throat” when she went to Mar-a-Lago to interview him and the very-pregnant Melania in December 2005.

Miss USA and Miss Universe contestants said that Trump harassed and assaulted them in 2006, inspecting them before the pageants and grabbing them without consent.

Summer Zervos, a former contestant on “The Apprentice,” said that Trump “very aggressively” kissed her, groped her breasts, and began “thrusting” his genitals at her in a 2007 meeting at The Beverly Hills Hotel.

2005, 2006, 2007. Trump was in his 60s. Dude is a perv down to the marrow in his bones.

@mike808 And all of this makes it ok for Biden how exactly, comrade hypocrite?

@onlyonetruth You’re making a false equivalency when there isn’t one.

@mike808 My post is about Biden. You’re the one who is trying to justify that perv’s obvious, visible, and repetitive misconduct because orangemanbad.

Just watch some video of Biden around women and young girls - there is lots and lots and lots of it. Be sure to keep your daughters and wives away from him, though.

@onlyonetruth
Trump is much, much worse, and you’re all in for him. So don’t try to preach about how indignant we all should be about yourfake news allegations about Biden’s. Fake news, along with the Russian intelligence agencies, make money and sow division on both sides. Just as you got suckered into. Maybe it’s not your fault.

Get some help. https://rvat.org/

@mike808

@Felton10 As I said, and you again had no ability to comprehend, Fox News is not the conservative bastion you libbies keep trying to make it out to be. In years past, they were a bit more balanced in their core news (except Shep - he was one of you idiots through and through), but that’s gone since Murdoch’s sons took over. Except for the 3 hours of prime-time that pays all of their bills, Fox News is usually left of your usual news sources. They really, really want to get invited to Don Lemon’s cocktail parties, apparently.

Anyway, pro tip: when you libbies point out Fox News as a conservative viewpoint, you’re pretty much conceding that you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Please explain John Bolton. The douche is a treasonous, back-stabbing, piece of shit (so you’d probably really like him). He hates Trump - published a book about how much he hates Trump. He was there, and this issue was discussed in his book. He also gave an interview today, and confirmed that this entire manufactured hit-piece is bullshit. So did the other NAMED sources who are on the record refuting this (vs. the unnamed anonymous “sources” you’re ready to take entirely at face value, because their make-believe “account” say that “orangemanbad”. Actual people on the record, including John Bolton, call bullshit on this fake hit piece, and here you are, relentlessly perseverating on orangemanbad…

@Felton10 @onlyonetruth
Nobody ever claimed Trump or Fox were conservatives. He’s a fascist, racist, narcissistic sociopath and pathological liar that is clearly in late-stage dementia. That is if the “mini-strokes” he himself mentioned don’t do him in first.

For such a great guy, Trump sure surrounds himself with an awful lot of “back-stabbing piece of shit douches”. And convicted felons. The company one chooses says a lot about their character. It’s not them, it’s him.

Get some help. https://rvat.org/

@Felton10 @mike808 Yeah, Trump did surround himself with a bunch of “back-stabbing piece of shit douches”. No argument there.

He wasn’t a politician, and tried to enlist the counsel and support of the “experts”, who were already a bunch of DC creatures and ostensibly knew their way around Washington. I’m thinking he learned his lesson - every one of those swamp dwellers need to be taken out back and shot.

If only he had the cynicism and innate despotic instincts to surround himself with morally bankrupt sycophantic throne-sniffers and servile yes-men, as your messianic heroes do, apparently to your seal-like applause.

@onlyonetruth I think he gave up.

@Felton10 CNN??

@Felton10 Seriously, the Super-Smart-And-Elite-Y’All Felton is proudly posting an article from Jeff Bezos’ propaganda rag about the world’s second slimiest lawyer-rat (I have no doubt you were also a very big Michael Avenati fan - perhaps you still are)?

Yeah. Unfortunately that’s fitting for you.

@Felton10

You are a gullible, stupid, self-designated sheep of the left. You keep humiliating yourself, even though I am generously trying to help you. It’s purely a charity thing.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/09/evidence_piles_up_that_the_phony_atlantic_story_about_trump_and_troops_was_a_slime_job_to_boost_biden.html

“…The evidence is piling up that the easily refutable, anonymously sourced so-called story, claiming that President Trump disparaged veterans, wasn’t really an Atlantic news story at all; it was a coordinated hit job involving the press, Democratic operatives, and associated leftist groups connected to the military, executed with impeccable timing. The Atlantic is building a name for itself for its uncorrected false stories, and this one’s not at all different…”

@Felton10 @onlyonetruth
Says the guy who quotes a hyper-partisan far-right-wing “news” source with serious credibility issues, misleading and selectively incomplete articles, and outright propaganda.

It seems to be pretty clear which of us is a gullible, stupid, self-designated sheep of the right/left who keeps humiliating themselves.

Get some help. https://rvat.org

@mike808 I already told that gutless idiot I considered him a toilet turd and flushed him away and I wouldn’t respond to him anymore, but he is as hard headed as he is stupid. When I flush a shit down the toilet, I don’t want to see it again and same with him.

@Felton10 @mike808

@mike808 That’s his obvious modus operandi. I’ve yet to see a truly valid argument with factual support.

@Felton10 You are so obsessed with this schtick. Why? What did your mommy-figure do to you, you poor, pitiful, miserable clusterfuck of a failure??

@Felton10 You think syphilis is a virus? Of course you do.

@Felton10 @onlyonetruth Apparently they don’t teach that stuff until the 9th grade.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/syphilis/symptoms-causes/syc-20351756

@Felton10 @Mehrocco_Mole @onlyonetruth
Do you know something else they teach before the 9th grade? Don’t look directly at the sun.

@Felton10 @Mehrocco_Mole @mike808 Trump can do it. He can look at the sun, charge up his laser retinas, and fire beams of Fuck-You from his eyes. It’s yuuuge!

@Felton10 @mike808 @onlyonetruth

@Mehrocco_Mole @mike808 First intelligent thing you have said. Trump has been fucking the American people with his ignorance, greed and stupidity for the past 4 years. He will be rightfully flushed down the toilet on November 3rd and then his lowlife redneck lemmings can go back under the rock from where they came never to seen or heard from again.

@onlyonetruth maybe if states had better guidance from the White House, the response could have been handled better.

@medz At no time did anyone from the White House instruct anyone to take infected people and put them in nursing homes, despite the protestations of the nursing home staff. Sorry - he owns this. He made a very “Cuomo” call, and thousands of people died. Your unrelenting support of this mass murderer says a great deal about you.

@onlyonetruth Trump wanted to trap people with infected people on a cruise ship.

@medz Uh yeah. When you have a potentially dangerous pathogen with as-yet unknown transmissibility, virulence, and danger to the general population, and you have a known vector with high likelihood of positivity for that pathogen, you isolate the source. Even the idiot Fauci knew that. My goodness but you are a fuckin’ moron. Impressively so.

@onlyonetruth
“At no time did anyone from the White House instruct anyone to take infected people and put them in nursing homes”

The White House waiting far to long to tell states to do anything. Which is my main point.

Then they say, it’s up to the states and encouraged them not to shut down.

@medz Hey asshole, why would you whisper “Fuck you.” to me? Just say it. You’re too stupid to know what you’re talking about, and yet you keep talking, but “fuck you” is something you want to whisper because of “yer princepulz” and shit??

Hey @medz - [redacted]

@onlyonetruth I have no idea what you’re talking about.
/giphy confused and innocent

@medz Don’t bother responding to that idiot. The more you engage him-the crazier he becomes. Typical Trump gutless retard. That is why I flushed him down the toilet with the other turds. I am sure he will respond unless he is jacking off or he has to leave for his midnight to 8 shift at the local 7-11.

@Felton10 for someone who doesn’t hesitate to call an Internet stanger a “fuckin’ moron”, they do seem to be pretty sensitive. Oh well.

Vote Biden!

@Felton10 @medz You had to whisper this?? “Typical Trump voter. Dish it out but can’t take it, snowflake? Triggered much? LOL. You suck at life. I am better than you in every way.”

Come on little dude! You can say it out loud. Be a big boy…

@Felton10 @medz

Hey li’l medzie, this was you wasn’t it? Yep - it was you, being better than me in every way and all that…

@onlyonetruth That is not me. Stop lying.

@medz You can tell what a POS he is. Didn’t he say above “Come on little dude! You can say it out loud. Be a big boy…”. That from a gutless wimp who is afraid to post under his real moniker. All these Trump retards are all the same-they talk big but when it comes to putting up or shutting up-they hide under their bed with the guns like the scared little rats they are. Just like General Bones Draft Dodger-

@medz If you had sent that I would think he would have taken an actual screen shot of it and posted it.

@cinoclav or at least photoshop it to seem that way…

@Felton10 Notice how no one is breaking, burning, looting, or murdering anyone, as in your lefty rallies (or “protests” or riots or whatever they’re called these days…).

@Felton10

@JT954 Just checking - how many people/boats actually showed up for a (snicker) Biden boat parade?

Yeah. Sorry li’l losers.

@onlyonetruth Biden supporters know there are more important and productive things to be doing. Trump supporters, much like Trump himself, put too much stock in appearances and show and don’t care about actions and results.

@medz You got me there li’l medzie. You totally win this point. Rioting, destroying cities, terrorizing Americans, looting, arson, and murder must definitely be time consuming and require tremendous focus and diligence to accomplish so thoroughly. Atta boy and all that. Help yourself to another participation trophy, you go-getter you. And next time you try to throw a Molotov cocktail, try to get it away from yourself a bit better. Otherwise you’re going to have to go loot yourself more pairs of Nikes.

Li’l medzie, felton, mike and the gang, getting it done for Hidin’ Biden:

@onlyonetruth
Get some help. Seriously.
You don’t have to suffer from cognitive dissonance.
https://rvat.org/

@mike808 Trump Derangement Syndrome is a real thing. You probably are beyond help, though. Sorry.

@onlyonetruth TDS just means the person is able to recognize how terrible Trump is. Common sense is another term for it.

@Felton10 It would be such a bore and a waste of time to again try to explain reality to libbies. Just keep sniffing each others’ asses and whatever else it is you morons do to pass the time. The adults will eventually take care of you.

That’s all you got, @onlyonetruth? Just insults and name calling?

That’s… kinda sad, man.

@onlyonetruth Have you ever watched or listened to the things your “standard-bearer” says?
He can’t even read a teleprompter and when he goes off-script he just spews word salad.

And I’m not even trying to say that Biden is completely compos mentis. It frustrates me to no end that the Ds chose one elderly man in clear cognitive decline to run against another.
But Biden is not as bad as Trump. In any way, shape or form.
If you had to have a tumor, but could choose between benign and malignant, which would you choose?
I’ll choose the one that won’t metastasize or do any further harm for the next 4 years and then hope that the country is able to find some healthy tissue to transplant in its place.

It’s just insane that you all choose to criticize Biden on this facet, where criticism would be rational if only you weren’t comparing him to a guy who is so much worse.

If I thought there was any hope of you conceding the point, I’d post 10 worse examples of Trump for every one of your examples of Biden, because there are at least that many more.
But people so deeply committed to cult worship can’t be reasoned with, so why bother?

@DennisG2014 Actually I will watch them. Go ahead and post 10 examples of Trump demonstrating cognitive decline. Speaking like a grunt from Queens, or saying things that you find distasteful, don’t understand, or can’t quite get the humor, do not count.

Biden isn’t benign. He is an empty vessel, whose “policies” will be dictated by a very, very far left faction of the democrat party - the self-avowed socialists and Marxists. I’m not fooled by the doddering harmless old man ruse. I mean, he is a doddering old man. The issue is that that means that he’s just the warm body, not the power.

@medz Much, much better to run around pants on fire style and incite a panic, right? He knows how stupid democrats are, and keeping y’all in your safe spaces while the adults figured things out was a pretty damn good move. You’ll understand when you grow up…

@onlyonetruth, so you’re saying 200,000 dead is preferable to some mythical panic.

Huh.

Oh, and good thing we had Trump teach us how to do it right after Obama completely fucked up that horrific Ebola panic of 2014. I mean, man, the economy and Wall Street just TANKED then, didn’t it?

@onlyonetruth could have said to wear masks and social distance much sooner. He is still holding rallies where masks aren’t worn for the sake of some kind of false bravado or machismo.

@haydesigner 200k dead (though how many of these were specifically from Wuhan Virus is very, very debatable) PLUS a panic. That’s the key. Good try, but you’re just engaging in mindless OrangeManBad porn…

@medz So the immediate response - shutting down travel from the source, the creation of a task force, and the rolling and evolving (on a daily basis) policy recommendations to address this weren’t enough. What you wanted was more of the democrats’ reaction: caterwaul that the travel ban was Xenophobic while instructing your minions to attend large public gatherings and eat at restaurants, focus political activity on impeaching the president based entirely upon fictional bullshit charges, and work diligently to create as much panic, economic chaos, and misery as possible in the hopes that that would reflect poorly on OrangeManBad and lead to his defeat…

@onlyonetruth
shutting down travel from the source - too late. Already here and coming from many places

the creation of a task force - you mean the doctors Trump didn’t listen to?

policy recommendations to address this - recommended not to shut anything down and masks were optional at most?

What you wanted was more of the democrats’ reaction: caterwaul that the travel ban was Xenophobic while instructing your minions to attend large public gatherings and eat at restaurants, - none of this is real life

focus political activity on impeaching the president based entirely upon fictional bullshit charges, - not bullshit. Facts. He did wrong and was impeached. If he was president, he would have been indicted

and work diligently to create as much panic, economic chaos, and misery as possible in the hopes that that would reflect poorly on OrangeManBad and lead to his defeat… - nope. Worked hard to prevent unnecessary death while pointing out the miserable job Trump is doing

@medz Clearly, we are looking at the same events through very different lenses. Going back and forth probably is not going to change that. Still (though I disagree with all of them), I do appreciate that you actually addressed the things I said with counter points.

shutting down travel from the source - too late. Already here and coming from many places

So when should Trump have initiated travel bans? Given the unilateral condemnation of Trump’s actions as xenophobic by the political left and their activist media, it wasn’t a trivial action. For a lot of people, the first time they really started to catch on that we were dealing with a potentially bad virus was when the first travel ban was put in place in late January. The left’s response to that wasn’t an embrace of travel restrictions, it was an immediate platform to hammer Trump for xenophobia and racism. So when, exactly, should Trump have initiated travel bans, and how extensive should they have been? Would you have defended those actions at that time?

the creation of a task force - you mean the doctors Trump didn’t listen to?

To a large extent, the problem is that he did listen to them. I called Fauci for what he was in March, the first time I saw him at a press conference. Every major academic medical institution has a Fauci. Someone who made a name for themselves in some way, and then milked that for fortune and fame (professorship and tenure, department chairmanship, speaking gigs, lecture circuit, industry spokespersons). In every case, it’s all about their own egos and aggrandizement. Trump tried to follow Fauci’s fickle proclamations and vacillations, which frequently ended up contradicting themselves. When Trump’s instincts started to differ from Fauci’s preening, it gave the impression of chaos. I agree that it didn’t help that Trump tended to voice his stream of consciousness thoughts and questions in front of TV cameras and microphones. In a more genteel era, that might once-upon-a-time have been looked upon as transparency, but that’s not the political environment we’re in…

policy recommendations to address this - recommended not to shut anything down and masks were optional at most?

There is still precious little hard scientific data to support any specific position regarding these actions. There are tradeoffs to each action in terms of consequential damage (economic, mental and physical health, etc), and there is no one proven correct right answer yet. Anyone who postures otherwise is either significantly ignorant of the issues, deeply partisan, or heavily invested in one or the other position. I imagine in a lot of cases it’s all three.

What you wanted was more of the democrats’ reaction: caterwaul that the travel ban was Xenophobic while instructing your minions to attend large public gatherings and eat at restaurants, - none of this is real life

It is real life. You can choose to be informed, aware, and honest about what is going on, or you can keep your head buried in the sand, keep swallowing the propaganda the left media is spoon-feeding you, and go through life blissfully ignorant and entirely useless, except as a useful idiot for the left.

focus political activity on impeaching the president based entirely upon fictional bullshit charges, - not bullshit. Facts. He did wrong and was impeached. If he was president, he would have been indicted

What he allegedly “did” was not wrong. The way that your political party decided to play politics with a SOP phone call and then plow through with something as serious as impeachment may set a precedent that you will come to regret some day. I would hope that my party would be above such things, but politicians are generally scum so who knows? From now on, will every president who has a minority in the house be “impeached” because that’s just the way it is going to be from here on out?

I don’t want to get into a “yeah but Clinton” argument here. Clinton actually was guilty of perjury. Trump wasn’t guilty of anything. If that changes, I’ll change my position, but facts are stubborn things

and work diligently to create as much panic, economic chaos, and misery as possible in the hopes that that would reflect poorly on OrangeManBad and lead to his defeat… - nope. Worked hard to prevent unnecessary death while pointing out the miserable job Trump is doing

Are you aware of the status of shut-downs in democrat-run states? Or that the draconian shut downs have had little bearing upon the death rate from Wuhan Virus? Or that the economic and secondary health problems from the ongoing democrat shutdowns are potentially as (or in many cases more) devastating than Wuhan Virus infections? If you want to attribute the conduct of the democrats who run these states to benevolent concern for their citizenry, you have to want very much to close your eyes, plug your ears, and just repeat over and over to yourself what you need to believe to keep your world-view intact. Let it go. You’ve been had.

@mike808 What do you suppose would happen if you tried, just once, to think for yourself? I know that would come as a shock to Don Lemon, Brian Stelter, and your other right-down-the-middle-straight-as-an-arrow journalists, but give it a try one time. You don’t have to be militantly stupid your whole life.

@mike808 @onlyonetruth there’s onlyonetruly stupid person in here