This reminds me of when I was single for the first time as an adult. I got tired of random dudes bothering me so I decided to troll a few one night.
I told one guy that I was into clowns and could he please fashion a piece of red paper and tape it to his nose and send a photo?
There was another guy that I told I was into pirates… Can you guess? I asked him to make an eye patch. This one was a little lazier and just covered his eye with a gum wrapper.
They both got told at the end that they weren’t getting shit and they shouldn’t ask for photos when first messaging someone.
@f00l I tried creating a dating profile on a popular website. I didn’t even get to finish my profile before I got inundated with messages.
The worst was a random dude I sent a quick reply to the first night, I told him I would talk to him the next day. Next day rolls around, he actually got all pissed off because and he had seen that I had been active for 30 mins or an hour, and hadn’t replied yet. I explained that I was busy, and he could Fuck right off with his shitty attitude.
@RiotDemon Sorry to get all right-wing on ya, but women (especially the millennial ones) are responsible for creating this environment.
Total and complete sexual liberation has created a social dynamic in which the grand majority of all women only pay attention only to the top few most desirable men. Average, or even sub-average women don’t play among their own tiers, instead choosing prolonged periods of celibacy in the hope that they’ll score their “prince charming” (aka the guy with neck tattoos and a prison record). Every once in a while, a bored “prince charming” will take a break from the top-tier women to rail an average one in the alley behind the 7-11, and that will recharge her dry spell batteries for the next 6-month period of avoiding normal, average men.
So why are you getting spammed before you can even finish your profile? Because for every legit girl on one of those dating sites, there’s fifty guys who don’t know where else to turn to. The rest of the women are out in “social” environments, lined up and swiping away on their smartphones like they’re illegal immigrants waiting at the curb to get picked up for a day of construction labor. Except they don’t have to do any work, because showing that you have something to bring to the table in terms of being partner/wife material is no longer necessary.
Why do the guys on those dating sites act like that? Because the destruction of any sense of monogamy has demoralized them to the point of inhumanity.
@ShotgunX I really expected this to end with a statement of women get raped because of how they dress and they ask for it.
So now human beings are evaluated like college football teams? “top-tier” “average” and “sub-average”? Is there a scientific method for this newly established ranking system of human life or does this only exist in your warped mind?
Rather then railing against any female for not taking interest in you on a dating website, or real life from the sounds of it, you should read the statements above and realize your misogynistic views on society likely send them fleeing. I think a life of solitude sounds far more appealing than any possible dinner conversation laying out the requirements for being “wife material”!
@Raider While I won’t fall for the strawman, I will say this: the truth is painful to swallow for most people, but they do wake up to it at some point.
Personally, I don’t have a dating site profile, and never did. But what I do have is a bunch of friends who went through some of the most horrific experiences imaginable, being the proverbial “nice guys” and all. I’m talking being cheated on repeatedly, and for the married ones, being taken for everything they have, including their children, even though all they ever did was slave away at their jobs (or worse yet, shot at by Pashtuns half the world away) to provide for their families.
I’m located in an ultraliberal hellhole, so I live this nightmare every day. Whenever I go out and we meet women, it’s invariable that at some point they will turn the conversations to their current boyfriends or husbands, but it’s also invariable that at the end of the night, they’ll be hooking up with people who are neither.
The same is not true in reverse.
There are two types of guys: the ones who get all the action, and the ones who get none (or almost none, since providers need some incentive). The former group doesn’t care for long-term, stable relationships, and polygamy/cheating is not a conscious concept for them; they simply sleep around, and that’s how it is. The latter isn’t able to do this even if they wanted to. And that’s why dating sites have such extreme imbalances with regard to male/female ratios, which is academic, by the way. That’s in contrast to the wishful thinking you expressed in your last paragraph, because being a misogynistic dirtbag asshole is the most reliable way to get women in the first place. I’d love to tell you how I’m just angry at women because they’re so bad, et cetera, but the fact of the matter is that it’s just basic, genetic human nature, and once you know how to exploit it, you can easily get what you want.
But hey, enjoy the ride while you can, because pretty soon, there won’t be enough babies being born to pay for your social security. Actually, we’re kind of already at the threshold.
Read what the OP of this discussion has said. Note how she openly admits to being there just to amuse herself by trolling some guys, who, no matter how they acted (people have varying degrees of academic and emotional intelligence) were probably there simply to utilize the site’s intended purpose. She’s most likely aware that she doesn’t need to be on one of those sites (this is reinforced by the fact that she got rid of the account), since getting “picked up” in the meat world is very, very easy for most women, horrifying physical disfigurements aside. How would this not be justified by anything other than her knowing that she can already get a more desirable male elsewhere?
@ShotgunX don’t pretend you fucking know me. I wasn’t there to troll people. I started trolling a couple of guys because I was tired of the bullshit I was receiving, and that wasn’t even on the dating website.
If that’s what “right-wing” means to you, you stay “right-wing”, hear?
Btw. Some adult people in this world, including some of any known gender and/or sexual orientation, and possessing just about any known somewhat reasonable political philosophy, actually know a thing or two.
Perhaps internet singles and dating sites are simply, most of the time and for most people, really shitty venues in which to try to meet anyone, let alone a potential partner.
@f00l The right-wing bit was obviously tongue-in-cheek (as were other bits, although the overall message was sincere and intended). I’m surprised at how politically-correct people can get even on one of the most politically-incorrect sites out there.
Anyway, it really is as bad as I say. Whether it’s a dating site or a bar or a fancy art gallery doesn’t matter, because things are the same no matter where you go. Gender dynamics have changed to become extremely one-sided, and there is a price to pay for that; just look at any contemporary relationship statistics.
@ShotgunX So many issues here, so I’m going to go for the low hanging fruit.
• I was never a “top tier” guy as you put it, but I never had a problem finding women who wanted to spend time with me, sexually or otherwise. I’m now happily married and my wife has managed to avoid throwing herself at other men.
• I don’t really think you can divide people into three tiers, or any number of tiers without knowing them intimately well. I’m guessing you don’t know the people you’re talking about, because why would anyone want to let you get to know them?
• If you’re looking for a cause for this sort of behavior on dating sites, I’d have to guess it’s because of the risk vs reward. If you’re a guy on a site trying to get laid who doesn’t care about much more than that, you can either write a few well crafted messages to people and risk the pain of rejection after opening up, or you can just shotgun messages to everyone with the sexual parts you’re looking for and hope one of them also happens to be in the mood. Then, if you’re rejected you can pretend it has nothing to do with you (or your approach) since they “didn’t give you a chance” and you can just not acknowledge that you never gave them a reason to. People use the same approach in other areas too for the same reason.
•I can’t imagine wanted to spend more time around you than absolutely necessary after reading just a few paragraphs you posted on a shopping site. Who can blame women for feeling the same way- they were the target of your rant.
Man, that was a much longer reply than I’d planned. I feel like @f00l
I was never a “top tier” guy as you put it, but I never had a problem finding women who wanted to spend time with me, sexually or otherwise. I’m now happily married and my wife has managed to avoid throwing herself at other men.
While, I think you’re a pretty top tier guy, I might just be waiting for the right prince charming with a neck tattoo to pick me up like an illegal immigrant waiting at the curb and rail me behind the 7-11.
@Pantheist Here’s the problem with what you and most other people are telling me in your replies: you’re all reaching for the same “you’re so bad/toxic, it’s no wonder no one wants to be near you etc etc” straw.
This completely ignores the possibility that maybe, just maybe, the way I’m behaving with you here is different than I behave with actual meatbags in real life; that when I interact with people in person, I put on the same social mask everyone else does, and tell people what they want to hear, instead of what I really think and express under the protection of Internet anonymity.
Maybe I actually don’t have (or rather express) any of the problems you believe that I have, in my normal interactions with others.
Do you get it? Your pity is misplaced. If anything, you should be pitying the people whom I can absolutely crush through the use of the most basic concepts of social manipulation that so few bother to learn, or learn to defend against.
And with regard to having relations with women, the most reliable way to get what you want can be learned from any of a number of pickup artistry books you can buy for a few bucks on Amazon. It certainly won’t be learned from getting dating tips online from a bunch of pseudofeminist cuckolds who think that their match.com troll wives/girlfriends aren’t cheating on them while they’re at work, because they are. Maybe meh should look into selling some copies of “The Game” or something one of these days, ROFL.
that when I interact with people in person, I put on the same social mask everyone else does, and tell people what they want to hear, instead of what I really think and express under the protection of Internet anonymity.
Nope. They mostly aren’t wearing the same social mask. Yours is unique to you, it would seem.
Do you get it? Your pity is misplaced. If anything, you should be pitying the people whom I can absolutely crush through the use of the most basic concepts of social manipulation that so few bother to learn, or learn to defend against.
I’m guessing you possess some degree of self-confidence?
Hmm. This is getting funnier and funnier.
Have fun with your PUA techniques.
Just crush em. Wow.
@Pantheist The only difference between me and most other people is that I have the courage/integrity to admit it, even if only anonymously, because unfortunately, being openly politically-incorrect is very dangerous in today’s society.
Are there truly nice, exclusively-altruistic people in the world? Certainly, but they’re a minority. Furthermore, if you’re like that and male, then you’re operating at a significant disadvantage comparatively to others.
Nice guys don’t get ahead. I learned that by being a nice guy, and not getting ahead, with supporting evidence from a lot of research I performed to troubleshoot my issues.
The only difference between me and most other people is that I have the courage/integrity to admit it, even if only anonymously, because unfortunately, being openly politically-incorrect is very dangerous in today’s society.
Incorrect in so many ways.
Nice guys don’t get ahead. I learned that by being a nice guy, and not getting ahead, with supporting evidence from a lot of research I performed to troubleshoot my issues.
Nicer guys who can handle themselves do get ahead.
@ShotgunX Not being a piece of shit doesn’t mean being exclusively altruistic. You aren’t a nice guy- you’ve just tried to manipulate people into thinking you are, unsuccessfully it would seem.
@ShotgunX For what it’s worth, I don’t know that I’d jump straight to “nice guy” to describe me. One of the first things I told @PolkSaladAnnie when we met was that I’m not a bad guy, once you get to know me.
@Pantheist You’re framing “being a piece of shit” in the same manner that some rabid YouTube commenter would label someone with opposing political views a “piece of shit.”
It’s not that black and white.
Mistaking people’s observations for statements of intent is just another form of confirmation bias and/or prejudice.
@ShotgunX Funny you should say that. I was just thinking you’re seeing the world in black and white- “the alpha” and “the downtrodden” (or as you so revealingly put it, “the cuck”). Most people don’t bother with either, and most “alphas” are just deluding themselves.
There are some pretty smart and sophisticated people who hang out here. Many of them are people with years of genuine achievement.
If you have the sort of brain you seem to think you possess, then, if you happen to revisit this thread in, say, 5 years, you may well be mortified to re-read your own comments.
@Pantheist The disappearing middle class exists in more aspects than just the purely economic one.
But actually, of you look at contemporary statistics, even once-solid institutions like marriage are becoming the exclusive domain of the wealthy.
Being poor means that you don’t have enough time for marriage, but you do have enough time to fool around. In an environment like that, women gain the capability to become hyper-selective. As such, the “alphas” will get the majority of them during the early stages. Then, when the women grow older and the need to settle down starts creeping upon them, they will go to you, the nice guy, for stability. It would be downright irrational for them to act differently; why would they choose the pasty anime nerd nice guy over the guy with enough money to drive a Ferrari and spend 4 hours with a personal trainer every day? It would be stupid not to choose the latter when you have the power of choice like that.
This isn’t the 1950s anymore, and you don’t get socially-crucified if you don’t settle down by your early twenties. People don’t play in their tiers anymore. They don’t have to.
Why is “sexual liberation” as a bad thing always only a bad thing when women have it? This seems to be a common theme among men who blame women for the way men behave.
Mistaking people’s observations for statements of intent is just another form of confirmation bias and/or prejudice
Reading that then any of your posts makes me think you don’t know how to separate observations from (faulty) conclusions drawn from those observations.
@f00l Once again, I don’t know why people keep making various claims elitism on my behalf. At no point have I even hinted at claiming any sort of intellectual superiority over others. The most I’ve mentioned is learning a few skills as a reactionary measure against hardships in my life that helped me get ahead. That’s it. If you want to convince anyone of anything, you have to look beyond your bias with regard to that person and address the actual arguments being made.
I also can read between the lines a bit. Just a bit. And all that “between the lines” stuff is always to some degree mere estimation.
You offer economic and social analysis in some detail. Therefore I conclude that you probably think you understand a few things.
Of course you may just be having everyone on or gaming.
That’s always a risk to anyone who takes another’s comment quasi-seriously. And that’s cool. Whatever.
Based on your actual written content, read somewhat seriously, and based on both the depth, and the serious lack of depth, of the economic and social insights you offer, I honestly don’t know anyone who has created a comfortable place in this world by age 35 or so for themselves (and most younger people I know, including many teenagers) who wouldn’t react with something similar to something along these lines of:
“that one has a lot to learn”.
It’s a complicated world. No less so economically and socially. There’s a lot of there beyond your expressed philosophies.
And as for expressing unverified assumptions, you’re done plenty of that.
You have your beliefs, your conclusions, your philosophies.
So go forth with them. Just keep your eyes - and your mind - open.
Women pushed for these changes (and rightfully so, initially). But at some point, it became less about equality and more about getting to do whatever the hell you want, the well-being of society be damned.
See, the “alphas” did, are, and will continue to “get the girl” regardless of their social environment. It’s just that they are getting many more of them now that women have the exclusive power of choice. Then, when they’re 38 and ready to settle down, they’ll find a nice guy and have him take care of the prison neck tattoo baby. And when they get bored, they’ll file for divorce and take everything the guy has.
Ask yourself where that leaves the vast majority of normal men.
We’re a bit slow on the uptake here in the US, but if you want to see what this does to societies, do some research on places like northern Europe and Japan.
But at some point, it became less about equality and more about getting to do whatever the hell you want, the well-being of society be damned.
Would it be accurate to restate your view here as “But at some point, [sexual liberation for women] became less about equality and more about [women] getting to do whatever the hell [they] want, the well-being of society be damned.”?
getting to do whatever the hell you want, the well-being of society be damned
Isn’t this something conservative American men are proud to claim as a right?
See, the “alphas” did, are, and will continue to “get the girl” regardless of their social environment. […] Then, when they’re 38 and ready to settle down, they’ll find a nice guy and have him take care of the prison neck tattoo baby. And when they get bored, they’ll file for divorce and take everything the guy has.
Women are all different. We are attracted to different qualities in men. Each individual woman can be attracted to different kinds men, with very different qualities. There is no stereotypical “alpha” that the majority of women are attracted to – aside from maybe a few unattainable movie stars.
Your example may be based on some real-life people you know, but since we tend to get to know people who are much like ourselves, our experiences are anecdotal. It’s not possible to accurately generalize “the majority of women” based on one’s own limited experience.
Ask yourself where that leaves the vast majority of normal men.
What’s a “normal” man like? Men are all different too, as far as I can tell. The men I know are either in a mutually committed long-term relationship with a woman (or man), or are single but don’t feel the need to inappropriately proposition women. I hope that’s normal.
if you want to see what this does to societies, do some research on places like northern Europe and Japan.
I’m not understanding you well enough to determine what phrase you want me to google for.
Your assertion that “the majority of women” are responsible for the way “normal men” conduct themselves is suspect mainly because men are the ones choosing how they themselves behave. It is not, contrary to traditional punchlines, a woman’s job to civilize a man. And it is most certainly not a woman’s job to settle for a man she’s not interested in for the betterment of society.
@katylava Just a quick rundown in the order of the pieces in your reply:
Yes.
Yes. This is arguably slightly better than what a lot of other political demographics do, which is paying lip service to the concept of the common good while acting purely in their own self-interest. I will always choose blunt honesty over hypocrisy.
It’s not just the concept of all women being the same, but the concept of all people being the same. This is about true human nature, which has only recently been suppressed with the advent of society. During this period of time, pretty much all of humanity’s scientific, social, and political progress has been made, with the highest gains during the most monogamistic period comprised of the past few centuries.
We might have smartphones today, but socially, society has regressed over the past decade or two. You can see evidence of this even by looking at freedom indices across the world.
Normal as in lawful and working. The point I was trying to make is that it becomes downright dangerous for them to engage in conventional relationships when the risk/reward relationship is so screwed up. Keep in mind that everyone is free to end a relationship for any reason, but the woman is the one who has the massive advantage in court.
With regard to the last sentence in particular: yes, it actually is (in a figurative sense). Everyone has a duty to their planet and their species. You weren’t put on this Earth to add a hundred tons of trash to landfills in the pursuit of your own happiness. At some point society will figure this out, so enjoy the ride while it lasts, I guess.
@RiotDemon No. I was just going by what I misread the title of the thread to be. I’m listening to Gordon Bok right now and grading (well taking a break from grading) and don’t want to interrupt the music long enough to watch. Typically his music doesn’t stay up long on youtube. Everything I am listening to has under 500 views. They’ll all be gone by 2000 views.
@mflassy You can save your jealousy for also having to teach at 8am in the morning and it is now 11:35pm. And I haven’t even looked at the chapter yet to see what I am doing this week (I know the overall topic well enough I can likely punt but that is harder to do when really tired).
@mflassy The ones especially confused are the ones who are trying to make it through without a book and/or studying and/or taking any notes in class. Sigh. This is an open admission school and standards are incredibly low. Frustratingly low actually and I was basically warned that the vast majority better pass since most are graduating in Dec. It’s a temp job which I am thankful to have but I haven’t worked this far down the heap before and sometimes what goes on stands on my last ethics nerve. Nice people for the most part though which is one saving grace.
Probably NSFW.
Bitch lasagna
@Dweezle Do milk.
Lol
@RiotDemon open cloth
This reminds me of when I was single for the first time as an adult. I got tired of random dudes bothering me so I decided to troll a few one night.
I told one guy that I was into clowns and could he please fashion a piece of red paper and tape it to his nose and send a photo?
There was another guy that I told I was into pirates… Can you guess? I asked him to make an eye patch. This one was a little lazier and just covered his eye with a gum wrapper.
They both got told at the end that they weren’t getting shit and they shouldn’t ask for photos when first messaging someone.
I was amused for a few minutes at least.
@RiotDemon
I am so happy not to have to deal with any of that.
What a total waste of energy even reading those texts in the first place.
@f00l I tried creating a dating profile on a popular website. I didn’t even get to finish my profile before I got inundated with messages.
The worst was a random dude I sent a quick reply to the first night, I told him I would talk to him the next day. Next day rolls around, he actually got all pissed off because and he had seen that I had been active for 30 mins or an hour, and hadn’t replied yet. I explained that I was busy, and he could Fuck right off with his shitty attitude.
I deactivated it that day.
@RiotDemon Sorry to get all right-wing on ya, but women (especially the millennial ones) are responsible for creating this environment.
Total and complete sexual liberation has created a social dynamic in which the grand majority of all women only pay attention only to the top few most desirable men. Average, or even sub-average women don’t play among their own tiers, instead choosing prolonged periods of celibacy in the hope that they’ll score their “prince charming” (aka the guy with neck tattoos and a prison record). Every once in a while, a bored “prince charming” will take a break from the top-tier women to rail an average one in the alley behind the 7-11, and that will recharge her dry spell batteries for the next 6-month period of avoiding normal, average men.
So why are you getting spammed before you can even finish your profile? Because for every legit girl on one of those dating sites, there’s fifty guys who don’t know where else to turn to. The rest of the women are out in “social” environments, lined up and swiping away on their smartphones like they’re illegal immigrants waiting at the curb to get picked up for a day of construction labor. Except they don’t have to do any work, because showing that you have something to bring to the table in terms of being partner/wife material is no longer necessary.
Why do the guys on those dating sites act like that? Because the destruction of any sense of monogamy has demoralized them to the point of inhumanity.
@ShotgunX I really expected this to end with a statement of women get raped because of how they dress and they ask for it.
So now human beings are evaluated like college football teams? “top-tier” “average” and “sub-average”? Is there a scientific method for this newly established ranking system of human life or does this only exist in your warped mind?
Rather then railing against any female for not taking interest in you on a dating website, or real life from the sounds of it, you should read the statements above and realize your misogynistic views on society likely send them fleeing. I think a life of solitude sounds far more appealing than any possible dinner conversation laying out the requirements for being “wife material”!
@Raider While I won’t fall for the strawman, I will say this: the truth is painful to swallow for most people, but they do wake up to it at some point.
Personally, I don’t have a dating site profile, and never did. But what I do have is a bunch of friends who went through some of the most horrific experiences imaginable, being the proverbial “nice guys” and all. I’m talking being cheated on repeatedly, and for the married ones, being taken for everything they have, including their children, even though all they ever did was slave away at their jobs (or worse yet, shot at by Pashtuns half the world away) to provide for their families.
I’m located in an ultraliberal hellhole, so I live this nightmare every day. Whenever I go out and we meet women, it’s invariable that at some point they will turn the conversations to their current boyfriends or husbands, but it’s also invariable that at the end of the night, they’ll be hooking up with people who are neither.
The same is not true in reverse.
There are two types of guys: the ones who get all the action, and the ones who get none (or almost none, since providers need some incentive). The former group doesn’t care for long-term, stable relationships, and polygamy/cheating is not a conscious concept for them; they simply sleep around, and that’s how it is. The latter isn’t able to do this even if they wanted to. And that’s why dating sites have such extreme imbalances with regard to male/female ratios, which is academic, by the way. That’s in contrast to the wishful thinking you expressed in your last paragraph, because being a misogynistic dirtbag asshole is the most reliable way to get women in the first place. I’d love to tell you how I’m just angry at women because they’re so bad, et cetera, but the fact of the matter is that it’s just basic, genetic human nature, and once you know how to exploit it, you can easily get what you want.
But hey, enjoy the ride while you can, because pretty soon, there won’t be enough babies being born to pay for your social security. Actually, we’re kind of already at the threshold.
@Raider And here’s another thing to consider.
Read what the OP of this discussion has said. Note how she openly admits to being there just to amuse herself by trolling some guys, who, no matter how they acted (people have varying degrees of academic and emotional intelligence) were probably there simply to utilize the site’s intended purpose. She’s most likely aware that she doesn’t need to be on one of those sites (this is reinforced by the fact that she got rid of the account), since getting “picked up” in the meat world is very, very easy for most women, horrifying physical disfigurements aside. How would this not be justified by anything other than her knowing that she can already get a more desirable male elsewhere?
Maybe the problem isn’t actually with me, eh?
Holy Fuck. I’m Sorry I ever said anything.
@ShotgunX don’t pretend you fucking know me. I wasn’t there to troll people. I started trolling a couple of guys because I was tired of the bullshit I was receiving, and that wasn’t even on the dating website.
@RiotDemon
@ShotgunX go Fuck yourself.
@thumperchick
Hi.
@ShotgunX
Uh huh.
If that’s what “right-wing” means to you, you stay “right-wing”, hear?
Btw. Some adult people in this world, including some of any known gender and/or sexual orientation, and possessing just about any known somewhat reasonable political philosophy, actually know a thing or two.
Perhaps internet singles and dating sites are simply, most of the time and for most people, really shitty venues in which to try to meet anyone, let alone a potential partner.
I wish you and your friends well.
@f00l The right-wing bit was obviously tongue-in-cheek (as were other bits, although the overall message was sincere and intended). I’m surprised at how politically-correct people can get even on one of the most politically-incorrect sites out there.
Anyway, it really is as bad as I say. Whether it’s a dating site or a bar or a fancy art gallery doesn’t matter, because things are the same no matter where you go. Gender dynamics have changed to become extremely one-sided, and there is a price to pay for that; just look at any contemporary relationship statistics.
I know I’m late to the pity party, but here’s a card for you ShotgunX, you poor sub-average schlub:
With thanks to Someecards
@ShotgunX So many issues here, so I’m going to go for the low hanging fruit.
• I was never a “top tier” guy as you put it, but I never had a problem finding women who wanted to spend time with me, sexually or otherwise. I’m now happily married and my wife has managed to avoid throwing herself at other men.
• I don’t really think you can divide people into three tiers, or any number of tiers without knowing them intimately well. I’m guessing you don’t know the people you’re talking about, because why would anyone want to let you get to know them?
• If you’re looking for a cause for this sort of behavior on dating sites, I’d have to guess it’s because of the risk vs reward. If you’re a guy on a site trying to get laid who doesn’t care about much more than that, you can either write a few well crafted messages to people and risk the pain of rejection after opening up, or you can just shotgun messages to everyone with the sexual parts you’re looking for and hope one of them also happens to be in the mood. Then, if you’re rejected you can pretend it has nothing to do with you (or your approach) since they “didn’t give you a chance” and you can just not acknowledge that you never gave them a reason to. People use the same approach in other areas too for the same reason.
•I can’t imagine wanted to spend more time around you than absolutely necessary after reading just a few paragraphs you posted on a shopping site. Who can blame women for feeling the same way- they were the target of your rant.
Man, that was a much longer reply than I’d planned. I feel like @f00l
@Pantheist
There are worse ways to feel.
@f00l very true
@Pantheist
While, I think you’re a pretty top tier guy, I might just be waiting for the right prince charming with a neck tattoo to pick me up like an illegal immigrant waiting at the curb and rail me behind the 7-11.
edit: Ew
@PolkSaladAnnie We can get a sharpie and draw some barbed wire…
@Pantheist As long as I don’t have to Velcro up for this!
@Pantheist Here’s the problem with what you and most other people are telling me in your replies: you’re all reaching for the same “you’re so bad/toxic, it’s no wonder no one wants to be near you etc etc” straw.
This completely ignores the possibility that maybe, just maybe, the way I’m behaving with you here is different than I behave with actual meatbags in real life; that when I interact with people in person, I put on the same social mask everyone else does, and tell people what they want to hear, instead of what I really think and express under the protection of Internet anonymity.
Maybe I actually don’t have (or rather express) any of the problems you believe that I have, in my normal interactions with others.
Do you get it? Your pity is misplaced. If anything, you should be pitying the people whom I can absolutely crush through the use of the most basic concepts of social manipulation that so few bother to learn, or learn to defend against.
And with regard to having relations with women, the most reliable way to get what you want can be learned from any of a number of pickup artistry books you can buy for a few bucks on Amazon. It certainly won’t be learned from getting dating tips online from a bunch of pseudofeminist cuckolds who think that their match.com troll wives/girlfriends aren’t cheating on them while they’re at work, because they are. Maybe meh should look into selling some copies of “The Game” or something one of these days, ROFL.
Pardon the rough language, I’m only generalizing.
@ShotgunX So you’re a piece of shit and you think the rest of the world is too. Sounds like my arguments apply. Good luck.
@ShotgunX So, tell me which books on pick artistry does a duplicitous “meat bag” such as yourself like to read?
@ShotgunX
Nope. They mostly aren’t wearing the same social mask. Yours is unique to you, it would seem.
I’m guessing you possess some degree of self-confidence?
Hmm. This is getting funnier and funnier.
Have fun with your PUA techniques.
Just crush em. Wow.
Again I wish you well.
@Pantheist The only difference between me and most other people is that I have the courage/integrity to admit it, even if only anonymously, because unfortunately, being openly politically-incorrect is very dangerous in today’s society.
Are there truly nice, exclusively-altruistic people in the world? Certainly, but they’re a minority. Furthermore, if you’re like that and male, then you’re operating at a significant disadvantage comparatively to others.
Nice guys don’t get ahead. I learned that by being a nice guy, and not getting ahead, with supporting evidence from a lot of research I performed to troubleshoot my issues.
@f00l Well it does the job, so I’m not going to complain.
You’re wrong, by the way. I sympathize with the wishful thinking, but the reality is that most people look out for their own self-interest.
@ShotgunX
Incorrect in so many ways.
Nicer guys who can handle themselves do get ahead.
Altruism isn’t even much of a factor here.
@ShotgunX Not being a piece of shit doesn’t mean being exclusively altruistic. You aren’t a nice guy- you’ve just tried to manipulate people into thinking you are, unsuccessfully it would seem.
@ShotgunX Yes, the bravest and most honorable thing a person can do is admit they are devoid of either quality.
@ShotgunX For what it’s worth, I don’t know that I’d jump straight to “nice guy” to describe me. One of the first things I told @PolkSaladAnnie when we met was that I’m not a bad guy, once you get to know me.
@Pantheist You’re framing “being a piece of shit” in the same manner that some rabid YouTube commenter would label someone with opposing political views a “piece of shit.”
It’s not that black and white.
Mistaking people’s observations for statements of intent is just another form of confirmation bias and/or prejudice.
@ShotgunX Funny you should say that. I was just thinking you’re seeing the world in black and white- “the alpha” and “the downtrodden” (or as you so revealingly put it, “the cuck”). Most people don’t bother with either, and most “alphas” are just deluding themselves.
@ShotgunX
Before you continue, please consider this:
There are some pretty smart and sophisticated people who hang out here. Many of them are people with years of genuine achievement.
If you have the sort of brain you seem to think you possess, then, if you happen to revisit this thread in, say, 5 years, you may well be mortified to re-read your own comments.
@Pantheist The disappearing middle class exists in more aspects than just the purely economic one.
But actually, of you look at contemporary statistics, even once-solid institutions like marriage are becoming the exclusive domain of the wealthy.
Being poor means that you don’t have enough time for marriage, but you do have enough time to fool around. In an environment like that, women gain the capability to become hyper-selective. As such, the “alphas” will get the majority of them during the early stages. Then, when the women grow older and the need to settle down starts creeping upon them, they will go to you, the nice guy, for stability. It would be downright irrational for them to act differently; why would they choose the pasty anime nerd nice guy over the guy with enough money to drive a Ferrari and spend 4 hours with a personal trainer every day? It would be stupid not to choose the latter when you have the power of choice like that.
This isn’t the 1950s anymore, and you don’t get socially-crucified if you don’t settle down by your early twenties. People don’t play in their tiers anymore. They don’t have to.
Why is “sexual liberation” as a bad thing always only a bad thing when women have it? This seems to be a common theme among men who blame women for the way men behave.
@ShotgunX
Reading that then any of your posts makes me think you don’t know how to separate observations from (faulty) conclusions drawn from those observations.
@f00l Once again, I don’t know why people keep making various claims elitism on my behalf. At no point have I even hinted at claiming any sort of intellectual superiority over others. The most I’ve mentioned is learning a few skills as a reactionary measure against hardships in my life that helped me get ahead. That’s it. If you want to convince anyone of anything, you have to look beyond your bias with regard to that person and address the actual arguments being made.
@katylava Nope. I think that it’s equally bad for both genders (sorry, toasterkins).
Also, I don’t think that it’s necessarily bad as a concept; just that it’s bad at its current level of intensity.
I hope that clarifies my stance a bit.
@ShotgunX that does clear it up, but in that case isn’t still unfair to say that women [only] created this intensity?
@ShotgunX
I read the actual arguments. That will do.
I also can read between the lines a bit. Just a bit. And all that “between the lines” stuff is always to some degree mere estimation.
You offer economic and social analysis in some detail. Therefore I conclude that you probably think you understand a few things.
Of course you may just be having everyone on or gaming.
That’s always a risk to anyone who takes another’s comment quasi-seriously. And that’s cool. Whatever.
Based on your actual written content, read somewhat seriously, and based on both the depth, and the serious lack of depth, of the economic and social insights you offer, I honestly don’t know anyone who has created a comfortable place in this world by age 35 or so for themselves (and most younger people I know, including many teenagers) who wouldn’t react with something similar to something along these lines of:
“that one has a lot to learn”.
It’s a complicated world. No less so economically and socially. There’s a lot of there beyond your expressed philosophies.
And as for expressing unverified assumptions, you’re done plenty of that.
You have your beliefs, your conclusions, your philosophies.
So go forth with them. Just keep your eyes - and your mind - open.
@katylava Correct.
Women pushed for these changes (and rightfully so, initially). But at some point, it became less about equality and more about getting to do whatever the hell you want, the well-being of society be damned.
See, the “alphas” did, are, and will continue to “get the girl” regardless of their social environment. It’s just that they are getting many more of them now that women have the exclusive power of choice. Then, when they’re 38 and ready to settle down, they’ll find a nice guy and have him take care of the prison neck tattoo baby. And when they get bored, they’ll file for divorce and take everything the guy has.
Ask yourself where that leaves the vast majority of normal men.
We’re a bit slow on the uptake here in the US, but if you want to see what this does to societies, do some research on places like northern Europe and Japan.
@ShotgunX
Would it be accurate to restate your view here as “But at some point, [sexual liberation for women] became less about equality and more about [women] getting to do whatever the hell [they] want, the well-being of society be damned.”?
Isn’t this something conservative American men are proud to claim as a right?
What’s a “normal” man like? Men are all different too, as far as I can tell. The men I know are either in a mutually committed long-term relationship with a woman (or man), or are single but don’t feel the need to inappropriately proposition women. I hope that’s normal.
I’m not understanding you well enough to determine what phrase you want me to google for.
Your assertion that “the majority of women” are responsible for the way “normal men” conduct themselves is suspect mainly because men are the ones choosing how they themselves behave. It is not, contrary to traditional punchlines, a woman’s job to civilize a man. And it is most certainly not a woman’s job to settle for a man she’s not interested in for the betterment of society.
@ShotgunX
I’ve been dating pale nerdy guys most of my dating life. Apparently I’m doing that wrong too.
@katylava Just a quick rundown in the order of the pieces in your reply:
Yes.
Yes. This is arguably slightly better than what a lot of other political demographics do, which is paying lip service to the concept of the common good while acting purely in their own self-interest. I will always choose blunt honesty over hypocrisy.
It’s not just the concept of all women being the same, but the concept of all people being the same. This is about true human nature, which has only recently been suppressed with the advent of society. During this period of time, pretty much all of humanity’s scientific, social, and political progress has been made, with the highest gains during the most monogamistic period comprised of the past few centuries.
We might have smartphones today, but socially, society has regressed over the past decade or two. You can see evidence of this even by looking at freedom indices across the world.
Normal as in lawful and working. The point I was trying to make is that it becomes downright dangerous for them to engage in conventional relationships when the risk/reward relationship is so screwed up. Keep in mind that everyone is free to end a relationship for any reason, but the woman is the one who has the massive advantage in court.
With regard to the last sentence in particular: yes, it actually is (in a figurative sense). Everyone has a duty to their planet and their species. You weren’t put on this Earth to add a hundred tons of trash to landfills in the pursuit of your own happiness. At some point society will figure this out, so enjoy the ride while it lasts, I guess.
@RiotDemon Most women I’ve encountered are dating pale nerdy guys. They’re just not banging them.
@ShotgunX I don’t know if you’re trying to be funny, but it’s not working.
On a totally different note than the exchange above this message… I, at first, thought this thread said send boobs.
@Kidsandliz did you watch the video?
@Kidsandliz
What single, kind word could make somebody’s day?
@Kidsandliz so did the guys who sent the words “send bobs”
@RiotDemon No. I was just going by what I misread the title of the thread to be. I’m listening to Gordon Bok right now and grading (well taking a break from grading) and don’t want to interrupt the music long enough to watch. Typically his music doesn’t stay up long on youtube. Everything I am listening to has under 500 views. They’ll all be gone by 2000 views.
@Kidsandliz come back when you watch it.
Just ignore the mess above.
@Kidsandliz
Don’t have too much fun grading the papers, otherwise some of us will be jealous.
@mflassy You can save your jealousy for also having to teach at 8am in the morning and it is now 11:35pm. And I haven’t even looked at the chapter yet to see what I am doing this week (I know the overall topic well enough I can likely punt but that is harder to do when really tired).
@Kidsandliz
Well that depends; what’s the focus of the class?
@RiotDemon Will do. Hope I can find the thread again.
@mflassy strategy/capstone.
@Kidsandliz
Pass.
I don’t want to confuse your class any more than they already are.
@mflassy The ones especially confused are the ones who are trying to make it through without a book and/or studying and/or taking any notes in class. Sigh. This is an open admission school and standards are incredibly low. Frustratingly low actually and I was basically warned that the vast majority better pass since most are graduating in Dec. It’s a temp job which I am thankful to have but I haven’t worked this far down the heap before and sometimes what goes on stands on my last ethics nerve. Nice people for the most part though which is one saving grace.
@Kidsandliz
Well that’s a balancing act which I don’t envy.
Carry on.
@Kidsandliz did you watch the video yet?
@RiotDemon no… and you are still the goat so it is your fault I forgot. I’ll watch it now.
@RiotDemon Hmm so I wasn’t so far off after all LOL
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