@haydesigner@phendrick your description of law enforcement access to a consumer’s Ring videos is inaccurate and misleading. You should probably put in at least the minimum effort to know what you’re talking about before your next attempt to bash the people trying to solve crime in your neighborhood. Contrary to what internet neckbeards would have you think, a large majority of people want the police, and are happy to help them.
@adamwesv@haydesigner@phendrick That is hilarious. Your evidence is from the company’s site itself. Yea. We all know corporations are paragons of morality and truth. It is like a middle schooler writing a research paper and his citation is Me
@haydesigner@KNmeh7@phendrick that’s a cool take, but the link was to explain that the process involves the Ring consumer providing one or more specific videos to law enforcement, and absolutely not independent access to their database of videos. This is verifiable information whether it comes from Ring.com or your mom. There are plenty of misdeeds committed by large corporations that we don’t need to make up conspiracy theories to further this stupid distraction that is the anti-police narrative.
It isn’t anti-police. It is privacy issue. Don’t try to sway it to some thin blue line punisher flag. Big data just monetizes you. Law enforcement can incarcerate you.
Everyone. Every. Single. Person. Is guilty of a crime. Some are just ticketable, some are arrestable, some are jailable. That is how they made the rules. Your kid’s lemonade stand. Done without a permit. You are 1 MPH over the limit. Pull over and search. You uploaded a film on youtube with corporate logos present without their permission? problem.
We live in a police state as is, no reason to give them more tools to turn on those they don’t like for whatever reason that day.
@haydesigner@KNmeh7@phendrick I can’t even fathom how people concern themselves with “police state” bs when politicians have completely turned the press and entertainment industries into wholesale propaganda.
It should be noted that if someone has a problem with their local officer using Ring video to investigate offenses like burglaries and assaults, then that’s their prerogative. But then for them to link an article that explains how Ring doorbells can be used to ambush officers, and to subsequently suggest that drug dealers buy three Ring doorbells, well… that person should revisit their priorities in life.
@haydesigner Not really. Basically, you can opt in to share the fact that you have a camera with local law enforcement. This way, they have a database of locations that may have captured helpful evidence if a crime occurred in the vicinity of the camera. If a crime happens in your neighborhood, they may come knocking to ask if you might be able to help. Local police do not have a live feed to your camera or anything.
@adamwesv [@haydesigner] Okay mr apologist, here’s what I found after about 2 seconds of searching, which I guess you didn’t have time for. This if from a fairly vetted and generally respected resource, C-Net, which has a tendency to report both sides of an issue, as opposed to Ring Central. (Have you looked at their business model relative to police depts?) https://www.cnet.com/home/security/you-shared-ring-footage-with-police-they-may-share-it-too/
And over the last few years I have read many more stories like this one. In fact, our local newspaper published one about a year ago that explained how our twin cities were part of the police net hereabouts.
I hope you enjoy your stardom on the local videos made from your front porch. That’s your choice – I’ve made a different one.
Your opinion is not worth anymore of my time to me, so, OUT.
Ring also changed wording from the police department that said the department “will be able to access videos submitted by subscribers of Ring” to say the department will “join existing crime and safety conversations with local residents”. Ring also deleted a sentence saying “police cannot access live stream video”, changing it to “police will not have access to cameras, live footage, or user data”.
Why do you suppose they did that?
The article also points out that Ring had editorial authority over police news releases concerning the usage, that Ring encourages police to “market” the camera to citizens (and over other brands), and that the police request procedure can actually be intimidating to home-owners.
@haydesigner@phendrick you suggested they have access to your surveillance because of “one-off permission.” They do not. Why would anyone that shares a video clip with law enforcement care if that agency included it in an inter-agency investigation?
Your comment suggesting drug dealers buy three Ring doorbell cameras in order to ambush police officers makes you grade A scum, so you can take your opinion and shove it. The remarkable loss in popularity of the BLM/“defund the police” movement in the last year should be a clue.
@adamwesv [@haydesigner@KNmeh7 ]
As to your reference to my post, l suggest you look up the word “sarcasm” and assume that any internet post nowadays might have some in it, especially on a site like Meh.
You might just be a very gullible person…
@KNmeh7 Thanks for that link. I made my decision concerning surveillance doorbells with footage owned by corporations several years ago so have not been bothering to keep too current lately.
I hope anyone thoughtful about this issue reads your linked article, and then the one that that article also links to, about Amazon/Ring’s transparency.
@adamwesv Don’t bother with either link – the issues are too deep for you.
I don’t have one of these. I have the “Blink” which is a different system Amazon also acquired. As of the moment they are not integrated so if you want to use apps on a device, they are two separate apps.
Blink works pretty well for me as a cheap camera system. At the moment their basic service is still free with cloud storage; it just expires after some being stored for some time. It works for me and I can see people coming to the door (which in my ideal world, never happens…) and also I see squirrels and birds and sometimes bears and also a really creepy spider that crawls over the camera and triggers it. (good thoughts before bed…)
I have a Ring LED flood light and it seems OK and doesn’t need you to pay. But it didn’t integrate at all with their Blink system. From what I’ve heard for the “doorbell” and cameras, pretty much anything other than having it go “ding-dong” costs you $$ with the Amazon Ring camera system.
BTW for the “specs” of this, it uses power from a typical (or used to be typical) house doorbell system. Meaning there are wires to your doorbell, usually red/white but not always. Those not only make you inside doorbell work, but also give the unit power so it stays running and no batteries to replace. But if you don’t have that type of doorbell circuit, this won’t help you. There are other pure battery-powered Ring products that will work in that case.
@hchavers By that renowned Aussie band, Men Working From Home.
'The inspiration behind “Who Can It Be Now?” came from Hay’s former apartment in a building with ‘a lot of … drug dealers’.
There were some people living next door who were moving a bit of product. Mistakes were made, and people would knock on our door looking for some kind of stimulant, and we didn’t have it. You were always hearing people banging on other people’s doors. We had one of those little spy holes, and I was always creeping toward the door when someone was knocking, to see who it was. I was never sure I wanted to open the door.’
– quote from genius.com
I’ve got two wired doorbell spots, but I only buy the regular ring (battery model). It charges the battery off of the doorbell wires, so you never need to charge the battery, plus if there is a power failure, it still works on the battery. (Of course, you need a UPS on your internet router as well…)
Slightly larger form factor, but the battery backup is nice to have.
“Users who decline to share footage through the app may have police showing up at their door asking them to share in person if online requests don’t work out. Law enforcement can also go to Amazon directly with a valid legal demand and bypass the user’s consent to access the footage entirely.”
I have been totally unimpressed with my Ring doorbell/camera. Part of it is my front door entranceway, which is kind of narrow due to a wall on one side, so my field of view is limited, unless I want to allow the sensor to reach all the way to the street (and then it alarms at every person or vehicle passing on the front sidewalk or driving in the street.) Second, the speed at which this bell “recognizes” a quick-visitor (like an Amazon package dropoff) depends on the speed of your own network, and as I have whined about since March 2020, at my home, the network speed (especially during the workday) is s-l-o-w, so I’ll know a package has been dropped off, but might not get notified by the system for 1-5 minutes. Not great if your visitor is wanted, but is impatient, or is unwanted and fast! It works just fine as a wired doorbell, though!
I’ve got a Wyze doorbell that I might get around to installing someday. It’s $55, but I think I got it for around $40 on the intro sale. The Wyze stuff can be tweaked to run on your own server, if you’re into that.
Are these Ring Pro’s part of a SN lot that is Sidewalk-compatible? (BHL3 or 15N) I want to use it to control my Level Lock.
Your Ring Video Doorbell Pro or Ring Video Doorbell Pro 2 may be compatible with Sidewalk. You can check whether or not your device is compatible by looking at its serial number. If the serial number begins with “BHL3” or has “15N” it is Sidewalk compatible now. If it starts with “BHL1” or “BHL2”. Sidewalk will be available on that device in the coming months.
I was hoping to blindly buy one and just see who’s outside. Now I have to be aware and realize there might be consequences. What happened to ignorance is bliss and keeping up with the times Iot is good for me. The Internet of things make you think however did I do without it. With the high quality MEH offers the have done the work for me all I have to do is say yes.
@Brine0@pmarin this one doesn’t have a battery, so it requires a wired connection, and the easiest way to do that, and the only way that makes sense, is an existing doorbell. Otherwise a battery one would be better.
I installed my first Ring in 2016. The original cam, 720P. It failed in about four months. Forced firmware update, and it just never came back to life. I replaced it with the 1080P Ring Pro. Better picture, better features. It was useless. HUGE delay in connecting to the camera to answer door bell activity. Push notifications sometimes took nearly a minute to arrive. By then the person at my door was either walking away, or decided the house was unoccupied and went about their nefarious intent.
I bailed out on Ring and their subscription fees and switched to Skybell. Great picture, color images at night, usually swift connection to the camera, and best of all, ZERO subscription fees. The Skybell failed after about two years. Battery gave up the ghost. I ordered a direct replacement battery on Amz and it was back up and running with about 10 minutes effort. Total repair cost: around $6. Total subscription cost: still ZERO.