@thismyusername - while I agree with you, wires aren’t that hard to cut, & making holes big enough for an ethernet connector to fit through, is quite invasive & messy. This would be better in new construction IMHO.
I could use the six camera. My one on the porch that you sent me instead of a flashlight or whatever it was will have to do for now, though. My house has only been broken into once, and I’m pretty sure it was the old tenants…
@hanzov69 They should but unfortunately they run like a pile of dogshit if you aren’t using the qcam app or the web interface. I imagine the paired DVR would be fine.
Watching the feed via the included web UI was great. As soon as I tried to use any 3rd party server apps… complete garbage. The other Amcrest cameras, like the proHD and their dome cameras are like night and day compared to these.
@medz +1, and avoid DDNS services. As recommended by @thismyusername use VPN, or get a static IP, or just make it a habit to know your current assigned IP addy. On CenturyLink mine usually only changes when I reboot my modem, so I have a timer switch that reboots it nightly to force a fresh IP every day. Then a script to email myself the current IP Config.
and also put the dvr and cameras behind a real firewall dmz (not the dmz section on your home routers) you’ll want these guys on a segmented piece of your network, and blocked from calling out to the internet, and only allowed to speak to your lan when spoken to…
i’ve messed with a handful of similar chinese security systems and every single one talks back to china, aws, etc quite frequently.
@outz Sadly the NVR doesn’t seem capable of using a different subnet for the LAN port, which will make it an ass-pain for less technical users to isolate from their regular LAN traffic if these things are chatty.
What I want is one of those spy ones that you can’t tell is there… like in a clock or something where you can add memory and is motion activated. We are having problems where I live with people (who work here likely as who else has keys?) entering apartments and things vanishing. It gets blamed on their “memory” (as the folks hit so far are, for the most part 70+ and for some of them this might be what is going on, but some I don’t think so). So far I have missed that bullet (and I also have a cat whisker in the bottom of the door but with a spy camera I could see who was in there if it ever happened to me. And if they entered in here I have little of monetary value here anyway. But still…
So for once in a long time Meh is actually selling a product I have first hand experience with. These are the exact camera Swann sells in their NVR sets: http://www.swann.com/us/swnvk-874004
I installed a set of these in an airplane hangar for a client last year and, although we’re in the process of getting ready to replace them with a far more expensive solution, the cameras are pretty good, especially at this price.
Great picture quality
Extremely solid build quality
We’ve had four cameras installed internally and two externally with no failures for around a year and a half now
Useless for viewing detail at long distances, there are no zoom/focus adjustments
Bug Magnets – Motion Detection capabilities are completely ruined by bugs’ attraction to the IR LED emitters.
If you all have any questions please feel free to ask.
@hanzov69 Indubitably. I have some Samsung cams that can do 0.1 Lux very well, but for whatever reason, Samsung configured the cut at >2 Lux. So at the slightest hint of dusk the cams switch to IR, leaving me with that blah, flat, monochrome image instead of the color image the cam is well capable of delivering beyond dusk. I can manually disable the cut, but I can’t vary the automatic cut level.
@jbartus Did you upgrade beyond 2tb for your NVR? Are you doing continuous recording or motion?
I’m probably doing the math wrong, but it seems like you would be hard pressed to get 1080@25fps with more than 48 hours. Divide that by six cameras and you’re down to 8 hours. Is that correct or am I just tired?
@hanzov69 we have not, it is bound to be replaced as it was a pilot project for feasibility purposes. 25fps is total overkill, 3fps is more than ample to catch most anything on. Bitrate matters too. Lots of calculators for it online. We’re meant to be on Motion but it hasn’t quite worked due to the bug issue.
@stilesja Motion actually works pretty well on my Samsung system. The Samsung app running native on the Samsung DVR allows pretty decent control of motion zones and multiple levels of sensitivity, so I seldom encounter false alerts due to insects (to differentiate this issue from software bugs). Though… I’m in suburbia in the southwest where we don’t often have the super thick insect clouds many others in various parts of the country experience.
It was a Samsung security kit-in-a-box like today’s deal. Failed a couple months out of warranty. Originally thought the hard drive crashed but a new video-HD did not fix it. Figured it was a fried motherboard - no burned/leaking components visible. Gave up.
Someone might want to tell whomever is responsible for Hanwha’s website Samsung is out of the picture. Samsung is littered throughout, including the copyright notice at the bottom of each page and the banner promo on their employment page.
@jbartus no need to say anything. It was crap. Even when it did work, the user interface might as well have been designed by a 3rd grader. I think it was about $500 at one of the warehouse clubs.
Bought it after some clown tried to jack the nav head out of our, at the time, Routan. Of course it used the ubiquitous and oft stolen chrsyler family nav head.
The idiot did $1,900 damage to the van by simply throwing a rock at the driver window twice. One of the throws simply scratched the driver side window and the other throw rolled around the A-pillar (denting it) and scratched the windshield. Didn’t get in! Wish they had simply broken the driver window. The cost wasn’t an issue since it was a company vehicle. But what a hassle.
@RedOak weird. Sounds almost like it might have been a cheapo generic unit (like these ones) with the Samsung name tacked on for brand identification purposes to drive sales. That or maybe Samsung proper made a cheapo set that has no relation to Samsung/Hanwha Techwin.
Can the hard drive/recorder box connect wirelessly to my network? My Plan would be with router in my downstairs office i would keep the recorder box up on the second floor connecting the cat5 cabling in the attic to be perimeter cameras at eaves.
@jbartus Agreed, but one of the major tools for my purposes is the ability to receive event alerts (via email) and view remotely. Documenting (via video recording) is useful, but I also have a need to view/review an active event when I’m not onsite. In my case, a network connection is a must.
If you bought the last round of Foscam Cameras, provided you use them wired, they should work with this NVR (Seriously). You will still need to power them independently, those aren’t PoE.
The HDMI out port on this model carries video and audio. Interestingly, this seems to be a slightly different rev than other units bearing the same model number that also included a VGA and RCA jack. We also lose the eSATA port… which is strange.
These cameras are 802.3af, and the NVR uses a 48v power supply. You should be able to get up 300ft on Cat6 (according to google, not my own experience). I found this 200’ piece of patch on Amazon for $15, so it might be worth a shot.
Speaking of the cameras, these support all the good stuff (RTSP, ONVIF, etc etc).
These cameras will work standalone, if you were to decide to upgrade to a larger system or wanted some flexibility the NVR won’t offer (say, using a Synology NAS or rolling your own video server).
Finally, I wasn’t able to find these for less than $80/per, so IMO this deal is decidedly un-meh.
Bought four of the 2MP cameras. I can’t imagine needing better than 1080P and most equivalents are usually 720P. Drilling holes sucks once, but then I don’t have to change batteries, hunt down WiFi dead zones, or any other crap.
@bkharmony I have a few of the FOSCAM cameras; They work pretty well for monitoring a remote property. FOSCAM’s software and app are pretty crappy, but I don’t use either. I have several cameras at site A and I have open-source “ZoneMinder” configured to Motion record at site B with only a 5MBit link between them.
@summetj Not necessarily true- I use my FOSCAM cameras with Zoneminder over RTSP. Yes, I had to have IE to initially configure them, but that’s what a Windows XP Virtual Machine is for. I used XP/IE to initially configure them and set their IP addresses, password, change ports, and disable everything else they support. I also have a crappy old android phone/tablet lying around I can use for installing the Foscam app if I really wanted to. But now I use them with Linux and Zoneminder and they work pretty well. I have two of the 720P cameras that have been in service 2 years.
@caffeineguy ^ this. I’m using FOSCAM cameras with motioneye on a raspberry pi. It’s been working great for going on 2 years now. The only downside is I can’t pan/tilt them, but if I need to that I use the ipcam app on my Android phone. My cameras are positioned so they never really need to be moved, though. Aside from the initial setup mentioned above, I never use the FOSCAM software.
@summetj I got one of the low-res, cheapy ones a while back.
I use OWLR Foscam or some such on iOS, so not too invasive. It’s fun enough. I’ve probably gotten my mehmoney out of it, and the Russians have probably gotten bored of my living room & moved on.
I do wish there was an easy way to cloudify activity alerts and pix. One time when I left the house for a while, I logged in off-site with Safari & set up a cron job on macOS to take screenshots every few seconds (with the resolution waaaay down). Worked surprisingly well.
@caffeineguy I don’t want to have to fire up a virtual machine and load windows/IE just to configure them. If I can’t configure them with Safari/Mozilla/Chrome without installing extra binaries I’m not interested.
@michealsoft72 avoid these for BI. They run like complete shit on 3rd party apps. I tried everything. Replaced it with an Amcrest dome camera (the one without the vandal cover) and couldn’t be happier.
Answering my own question, the VERY little research I did suggests that the extra pixels tend to go toward making the picture taller (more square) than the 16:9 ratio of the 2 megapixel version. Given my use case, that would probably just allow me to see more sky, so I went with 2 megapixel.
Oh Great! Thanks Meh! You Finally sell a decent product that gives me the opportunity to see somebody break in to my house, steal my stuff, make a sandwich, take a dump on my Trump Gold plated toilet, make some microwavable popcorn, take s nap, eat my kids porridge, sit on my recliner, mess up my beds, make some quesadillas, smoke my Cuban cigars, take my chihuahua for a walk, watch the fake news about that crazy president that was elected on CNN, take a shower, have some Makers Mark on ice, give them self an enema, go crap all over the Trump toilet again, back up the toilet, play mine craft on my Xbox, do the laundry, mop the kitchen, pick up my dogs shit, fold the laundry, make phone call calls to Eastern Europe, order pizza, order a mail order bride from Russia, take selfies imitating Trumps “Your Fired” line, cook dinner, eat the 20 cases of Girl Scouts cookies my daughter has to sell, clean out my garage, and do the dishes. No thanks, Meh!
It will get cheaper. I just bought the ring security bundle from Best buy for $399.99. For that I get a battery operated doorbell cam, and two of their outdoor stick up cams all with batteries that last a few months. That was almost half price. I am waiting for a sale on the solar panels made for them so no battery charging needed. The charge percent is displayed in the phone and PC apps. No wires and online viewing make a better security that wired. Mine record in the cloud and at home. I have a new boxed wired set still in the boxes with a 4TB drive and DVR system that cost the same. And they have Windows apps in addition to iOS and Android.
Drilling holes and running cable is easy if you know how to do it. Youtube probably has some good videos. also, buy some tools at Harbor Freight. They sell the 4 foot long drill bits to go up into attics and they sell the 33 foot long fiberglass wire running push rods (bunch of screw together sections). They make it really easy to run cabling without crawling on top of trusses. These same type of tools are 2-3X more expensive at Home Depot or Lowe’s.
Bought the 6-camera, 3MP system (only because the 8-camera 3MP was sold out). Got it delivered today. It had a box with a 4-camera 3MP system, plus two boxes with individual cameras each. Only problem is the individual boxes cameras are the 2MP version. Waiting to hear back from meh.
@bigmac1336 if you contacted them via the support form (or my orders) give em a few days, there are only a couple of them and they can take some time to reply… if you didn’t contact them, and you think any forum post is contact, then you should instead contact them using the form and give them a few days… also check your spam folder.