@joelmw I don’t expect them to take a loss. For almost a year I have visited Meh from the same computer (prior to that is was another computer on the same network) and make purchases and comments from that computer. I cannot buy the Fuko because of how Google has classified me. I don’t give them enough information to profit from so I am a robot.
@tniver1030 My 1st gen Hue hub & 15 Hue bulbs work fine with Google Home. Can control individual bulbs and sets of bulbs set up in rooms. One thing I still have to open app for is to enable “scenes” and any kind of automatic light shows. Might work via IFTTT trigger, but I haven’t tested.
I completely do not get the fascination of turning off a bulb remotely. You are literally saving yourself five steps and maybe 10 seconds of effort. If you forget to take off the light when you leave home, you’re out 12 cents for 2 hours.
@haydesigner well ‘hay’ now, let’s not get ridiculous. TV remotes are one of our finest inventions. One should not have to resort to manually pressing buttons to change between channels or inputs to access TiVo. And oh yeah, TiVo! How would one change their TiVo selection? One minute you feel like Bob’s Burgers and the next minute, Jessica Jones. Without a remote control, how do you make that happen?!
@elimanningface I love my setup when paired with Amazon Echo. It’s nice to be able to control the lights (including dimming) with my voice. Turning on/off the lights from bed has become part of my daily routine.
Required use? Oh, oh my no. It’s certainly a luxury item. That said, once you have it, you get very use to having it.
@elimanningface When I get home from the gym, my hands are full and I come through the garage door and say, “Alexa, turn on all the lights” and it turns on my kitchen light, the bar light, and my living room light. Very convenient.
When I’m in bed, I say, “Alexa, turn off the bedroom light” and I don’t have to remove all the covers and walk all the way to the door to turn off the light and then walk back to the bed in the dark.
@elimanningface Try going upstairs at night into a dark bedroom with a full water glass in each hand and tripping over a cat or banging into the bed. From downstairs: “Alexa, turn on the bedroom light!”
@elimanningface okay, but that’s how your house is set up. i live in an old apartment with only one lightswitch (which works maybe 25% of the time). the rest is a few crappy ceiling lights we don’t use with short pull strings. an old place also means minimal outlets so the necessary lamps with switches on the cords are not particularly easy to access. it is way easier to tell alexa to turn on/off one (or more) lights. it was also fun to use a wemo switch this xmas and have all the tree lights plug into that and not have to be crawling around under a tree every day just to turn it on & off. not having to get out of bed to turn off the bedroom light at night is a little luxury, but the rest really do save us a lot of trouble.
I don’t see the usefulness here. Now, if I want light I can flip this switch as I walk into the room, and I have light. On the other hand, if I spend $30 I can make it so much easier by walking into the room, searching for a phone, unlocking it, pulling up the app, and turning the light on with a phone instead.
Yeah, it might make sense kind of for those people that buy into that whole “install an Alexa listening device to bug my home 24/7” crowd, but I don’t personally know anyone that has one of those or even wants one.
@Steve7654 For those of us that have decent night vision (like me) there is little need. People that have terrible night vision (like my wife) can use this when they come in the house from the garage and the nearest light switch is 10-15 feet away.
@DaveInSoCal Doesn’t it bother you in the least that every conversation in your home, your comings and goings, your arguments, the things you whisper to your wife in bed, are all being picked up by that device and sent over the internet to be stored at some unknown location, to be data mined and/ or conceiveably searched by anyone that wants to pay for it? You are willing to trade any small bit of privacy in your own home for being able to tell a light bulb to turn off?
I have one of those listening devices plugged into one of those Wemo devices. I can tell Alexia to turn off AlexiaWemo whenever I want. Then to turn it back on, I just use the Wemo app. -That was easy.
This was my gateway drug to smart hominess. Two lamps in the house with Alexa for control has spawned into hundreds of dollars in echo dots, smart switches, dimmers, hubs, and relays. It’s really quite nice and I’ve only scratched the surface so far.
I only have limited use for smart bulbs as many of my fixtures have multiple bulbs in them, but for lamps or single bulb fixtures, these give a nice soft white light that is nicely dimmable.
@djslack Same boat here with the bulbs (I don’t have any). I just installed some smart switches; some go along with the existing switches in the wall and some I replaced with smart dimmer switches. I just use standard LED bulbs in all those fixtures.
Back in the day, the attractions at Epcot Center essentially said, “This is where we’ve been, this is where we are and this is where we’re going… and it’s going to be AWESOME.”
Epcot Center and its promise of the future is exactly why I’m so very much into technology. I grew up being told that I was going to be able to ‘this’ or ‘that’ and I’ve been embracing every step on that path. Being able to control my world, communicate with people around the world and access any bit of information from a device that resides in my pocket is mind-blowing and I recognize it as such.
"To all who come to this place of joy, hope and friendship, welcome.
Epcot Center is inspired by Walt Disney’s creative genius. Here, human achievements are celebrated through imagination, the wonders of enterprise, and concepts of a future that promises new and exciting benefits for all.
May Epcot Center entertain, inform and inspire. And, above all, may it instill a new sense of belief and pride in man’s ability to shape a world that offers hope to people everywhere."
@awk I started with X10 so many years ago. But then had weird issues where lights wouldn’t come on if they were on different sides of the breaker box. I then upgraded to Insteon. Each remote acts as a re-transmitter so if I tell it to turn on a light, each device that receives the command will resend it so it gets the command multiple times and seems to always work.
I have a box of old used X10 wall switches somewhere in my garage. Don’t know why I didn’t throw them away yet. I think I have hoarder tendencies.
In for 2 sets for use with my Amazon Echo Dot. The Dot controls 2 of my lights now through a Wemo plug…but that does not dim. $15 per bulb is great, and once you own the hub/bridge… compatible Philips hue bulbs are pretty cheap.
At 3:30 am this sounds pretty good to me.For $30 bucks I’ll have two long lasting bulbs that are pretty energy efficient. The only two problems I’ll probably have is this is gonna make my disco ball router crap out more often from overload,
And I’m probably gonna be too dumb to know if this Smart Thing is working.
oh, and anyone is up, can you tell me if there is any benefit to me getting two? All I’d really be getting would be an extra two expensive bulbs, right?
750 lumens? That’s barely a 60W incandescent. Might as well stick to wax candles. I never install anything under 1500 lumens in my sockets. In this room I have a 1600 and a 3400 (200W) bulb at present in my two-bulb overhead.
OK all you luddites, you sound just like my wife: “what good are these?” Well, first of all, they are “cool”, and who doesn’t have a caveman friend who’s impressed by you being able to turn the light on and off and dim it across the room, from the comfort of your laz-e-boy?
Do you work night shift, and come home to a dark house? Do you regularly forget to turn off the light in the far room, and wake up at 3 am to turn it off? These can be scheduled to turn on, and then turn off at a certain time. Or, with ITTT you can hook them up to turn on and sunset, off at sunrise, or whatever.
Remember those little timer thingies you’d set when you were gone to have lights turn on and off when you were gone for a few nights? All built in. And, you can expand your system so motion triggers all the lights. Wouldn’t it be nice to have all the lights turn on when little timmy tries to sneak out and catch the ice cream truck at 2 a.m.? Or suzy is trying to sneak her boyfriend in the house about the same time?
Now I’m not sure how the first gen hub works, but all of that and more is possible with the 2nd gen. And we’re not even talking about the color changing and “boom-boom” mood inducing power of these babies when you bring home that special someone for a “drink” after that gourmet dinner at MickeyD’s.
No, you technophobes, don’t look down your noses at those who’ve embraced the future. We’re the ones our friends talk about when they gather, because we are special!
@beachhead Ye, I get you, those are indeed wonderful cool things. My problem with the Hue is that the switch is within the bulb itself and so you must use something other than your light switch to turn them on. Sure, that something can be your smartphone, or a newly installed compatible switch, or a hub, but it adds complicated layers.
I don’t care about the colors, though. For all of the other goodies I find the depth and breadth of the Insteon stuff to be way more practical. Everything behaves properly to luddites and you can still program to your heart’s content with all of the hubs and stuff.
@mehvermore I hope you got what was supposed to be humor in my post…:) You can still use the power switch to turn the bulbs on/off. But they lose the brightness setting. and you’ll need to turn them “off” through the automation setting to resume any automation you have going, as the power switch needs to stay in the “on” position for the hub to communicate with the bulb.
Nothing wrong with the insteon stuff, I’ve got a couple of their switches too. It’s a good compromise for my wife, who hates talking to Alexa or Siri, and for me, who likes to play with the tech stuff. I like the hue for lightbulbs that we don’t regularly turn on and off, and for color.
As long as it works for you, that’s all that matters…:)
I bought the second gen of this product and while I’m fairly tech-savvy, it was a shitshow trying to get the hub to recognize my router and then the bulbs to recognize the hub. If you decide to move the bulb to a new location, you have to re-setup the entire system. I never even got close to getting it onto my Echo system. There were essentially no written instructions and the online help was worse, and nothing about it was intuitive.
The WeMo plug I picked up works great, though. I’m keeping my eye out for a non-Phillips, or a later-gen, hub system that’s reasonably priced.
Ok, I never write in these things but I actually love my hue lights and figured I’d explain why. Part of it is indeed the convenience of not having to get out of bed to turn of my bedroom light or if I forget to turn of my living room light I can do it from my bed. Another big thing for me though is the hue app is fantastic. I’m able to set routines, for when I want to go to sleep, so if I stay up later than I should gaming my lights will start to dim on me and let me know it’s getting late. Or my wake up routine, which turn the lights on in the morning similar to the sunrise and I tend to wake up to it before my awful alarm starts beeping. Also, at least with my iPhone I can set up these widget things that let me click a single button from my lock screen and turn on whatever light I set up, bright bedroom, dim bedroom, night lights, whatever I wanted. I don’t use anything with the lights but the app, no alexa or anything else. They’re great by themselves.
I don’t use the Lux bulbs, but have the hue system. I have it set up so it is scheduled for the bulbs to come on in the morning just before I wake up, they turn on when the sun goes down, and turn themselves off after the time I go to bed.
If you go the color route later, you can have a bulb somehwere change color depending on what the weather the next day will be.
@sammydog01 It needs RJ45 (like telephone plugs) from the router to the hub. Then, the hub “talks” to the lightbulbs through your wireless system.
I wouldn’t say anyone is too dumb to do anything they really want to do…:) Setup was pretty easy, the way I recall: download the app to your phone, plug hub into router and power. It “should” initially be in pairing mode (IIRC), and use the app to find the hub (follow directions in app, pretty easy). Once your app can see the hub, you put a light bulb in the light, turn it on, and use app to find new device. Then you add it into the system, rename it, and control it.
Some of the steps may be slightly different, I set mine up a year ago, and I can’t remember what we had for dinner last night, but it’s fairly simple…
@craigthom I honestly don’t know if it uses it’s own radio net, or the wifi. A quick google search shows it may create it’s own radio network. I’ll let someone more “techy” get into that little detail.
@sammydog01 No problem…those little boxes do add up! It would be nice when there is something standardized for this (and it’ll happen, I think this is a growing market) and most importantly, incorporated into all the connected devices like tv’s, stereo’s, routers, light bulbs, coffee pots, etc. Then, 2001: a space Odyssey’s “Hal 9000” (or whatever it was) will be a reality.
But it would be nice to say “computer, turn on ESPN”, and the TV turns to the proper channel, wouldn’t it?
@beachhead we do that, but with cortana. (or we have one of the xfinity remotes you can speak into, but if you’re already holding the remote, it’s sometimes easier just to type it in.) it would be nice if it were all under one name, though. (not hey cortana for some and alexa for others.)
@Commonwealth109 I usually love crap like this, but I just don’t understand the fascination with this item. It makes no sense to me to pay even $30 for two lightbulbs just I can control the lights in one room with my phone.
@craigthom Because every room has multiple lights in it. Would seem silly to have two lamps with different bulbs, for example. I wouldn’t swap about a bulb without doing them all in the same room. So two bulbs really wouldn’t get me far.
Even if it were two rooms, seems like a super minor convenience.
@TBoneZeOriginal If you need to replace every bulb, and if you only want to turn them on and off manually with your phone, then, no, it doesn’t make much sense.
I don’t think those restrictions apply to most people, and they certainly don’t to me.
The first thing I’m going to do is have the light by the front door turn on when I arrive home after sunset, before I get out of the car, no matter what time. And maybe have it come on between sunset and, say, 2100.
@TBoneZeOriginal It’s a SYSTEM, silly. We use the Alexa Dot to control two bedside reading lights, a bedroom floor lamp, a Rachio lawn sprinkler controller, and our Ecobee 3 home thermostat. Alexa also gives news, current localized weather, time, sets wake-up alarms, and plays music, at minimum.
But that just mystifies you, eh? It’s about convenience, sorta like using a stove or microwave inside your kitchen instead of a campfire in your front yard.
@Atwoody No need to be a jackass. I know exactly what the system does. My point is that I wouldn’t see myself swapping out the bulb in one lamp but not the other in the room. Otherwise, they’ve be different shades.
@craigthom You could use a Wemo motion sensor to do that. Then also setup a rule for sunset/sunrise.
The motion sensor model has been discontinued but you can still find them on ebay and other sites. If not, there is a Wemo maker that you can plug a motion sensor into. (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N32H7U8?psc=1)
Use the IFTTT app to create triggers.
I installed a Wemo light switch on my porch light and have a few different rules setup. (I don’t need the motion sensor for my needs.)
Can these bulbs change across the full white temperature range or are they only Soft White (2700K)? I have been getting mixed results when I search this model number across different sites that have these sets
Hey, there are a small segment of us who actually find automation like this more than just “cool”. I love techie stuff anyway, but now find myself disabled enough to make it very difficult to get up and switch a light on. I just tell Alexa to do it for me. (Or the fan.) I wish I could tell Alexa to help me up! I have Samsung smart hub, some various bulbs, switches and recepticals. Makes life a little easier for me. Don’t get me wrong, I do it all anyway just for the “cool” factor.
@idahowingrider They have those recliners that will help you up and out of the chair…someone smarter than me could probably integrate something with one of those to have it “eject” you from the chair via voice command.
@dgmshop Did you read the articles or just post the links based on the headlines?
All are based on the same experiments, and Philips had released a firmware update to address the issue before it was taken public. The articles, especially the second, spend a good bit of time speculating about general issues with IoT devices.
So a guy in Israel figured out how to get Hue lights to join his network and make them blink. He also got a key that wasn’t useful without additional information. He told Philips, who released an update to fix it.
@dgmshop Yeah, I was just reading about a smart lock you can buy for your front door that you can control with your phone or Alexa. Doesn’t seem like it would take much for a techie kind of intruder to be able to figure out how to say “alexa, open the door”.
“Unfortunately, Ronen could not go into detail about his research as Philips is still working on the problem.”
“The malicious firmware can disable additional downloads, and thus any effect caused by the worm, blackout, constant flickering, etc.) will be permanent.” What’s more, the attack is a worm, and can jump from connected device to connected device through the air. It could potentially knock out an entire city with just one infected bulb at the root “within minutes.” There is no other method of reprogramming these devices without full disassemble (which is not feasible)."
"used to damage a city’s electrical grid. "
"Meanwhile, consumers and product manufacturers are still coming to terms with a massive Internet of things attack last month in which hackers hijacked millions of connected devices in order to cut off access to popular websites like Twitter and Amazon." http://fortune.com/2016/11/03/light-bulb-hacking/
"The worm spreads by jumping directly from one lamp to its neighbors, using only their built-in ZigBee wireless connectivity and their physical proximity. The attack can start by plugging in a single infected bulb anywhere in the city, and then catastrophically spread everywhere within minutes, enabling the attacker to turn all the city lights on or off, permanently brick them, or exploit them in a massive DDOS attack.
Malicious attackers could also cause the globes to flicker on and off with sufficient speed to trigger epileptic seizures in sufferers.
Researchers were not content to merely spread chaos over Zigbee, however. They found a test mode within the globes’ 2.4Ghz spectrum band could “easily” disrupt nearby wifi networks."
Anyone else get this and notice that shipping will take forever? Ordered on 2/16 and it won’t arrive until 3/1. Well, I’ll make sure to put out some oats and water for the horse when the Pony Express arrives to deliver my lights from Texas.