@sportykev Agreed, but that's sort of the same measure all makers use. They say 25 minutes, expect 18 minutes of "real" flight. But that's almost double what the P1 delivered. On a brand new, freshly charged battery, doing slow and modest movement, I could get 11 minutes with a camera and gimbal. That time fell sharply if I traveled any distance, or added VTX, or if there was any kind of wind. So if the promised 28 minutes turns into 18 to 20... that's pretty good. When the Tali was new, I managed over 25 minutes without camera. If P4 pushes 20 minutes I'll call that good.