@connorbush@MaceKates, if it does, I would think you set the time in military time, but unles you set it at over 12 ours, that shouldn’t even be a problem. The question is, can you program when to make your coffee. I went back, and checked the Specs: Program-able [military, 24 hour clock, timer only], or something like rhat.
@mwarren stainless steel is worth the extra price for me (although its actually less here) for the heat retention. but if you brew immediately and take it with you maying the glass is better
@jughead127@mwarren I have had the previously Meh’d model for many months (and love it), and the stainless steel carafe does retain a coffee odor even though I scrub it with a bottle brush immediately after brewing and serving my morning coffee. I don’t much care, as I use it for brewing coffee, after all. It is quite good at keeping the coffee hot for an hour or so, but I go to the extra effort to put some hot tap water in it for 10 minutes or so before brewing (I intensely dislike cooled-off coffee). The glass carafe would have far less insulating abilities but would not be as likely to retain a coffee odor. IMO, of course.
This looks like the same tech as the one sold last July, except that the tank has been rotated off to the side and they added the clock and a programmable timer. I bought the earlier one, makes great coffee - worth buying if you need a new coffee maker.
@purwin it’s a standard #4 cone filter, so you can get them lots of places. I highly recommend unbleached paper. The gold ones always seem to let fine grounds through.
@mwarren@purwin If you like French press coffee more than drip or pour-over, you likely do so because of those extra flavors (some say bitter). Paper filters remove those, along with the very-mildly-carcinogenic elements.
@pldmich, What is that, $3.10 more? I’ve cut myself worse shaving & yes, I’m a Rocket Sugeon!! Does this make any sense?..Good, I was afraid it would!!
Tempted, but will stick to the plan to replace the wife’s Cuisinart with the Keurig Duo Plus (Costco). She brews a pot of decaf, and I just want a cup of caffeinated wakeup juice as I head out the door.
Warning to fellow Mehtizens: It looks like the basic model, the Duo Essentials, which is a side-by-side model in black, is complete junk.
Do NOT buy if they start unloading the Duo Essentials and they show up here. People are reporting multiple replacements failing (carafe side does not work). Another score for Costco satisfaction guarantee.
I too came here to say that I bought the old model and it brews a great cup. This one appears to allow a reusable filter as the old one has some plastic tabs that make rigid metal filter style not work. And a clock. So an upgrade if you have the counter space.
@tweezak Correction: I was seeing the shower’s reflection in the shiny black plastic. The descriptions of the shower are identical between the old model and this one. Meh.
@Tadlem43 - Pour over coffee has a first step of wetting the coffee grounds several seconds before the actual extraction pour. In theory anyway, this allows excess CO2 to bubble out, while the water saturates all of the grounds to prepare the various organic acids and sugars for an even extraction from the grounds when the actual pour-through happens. With everything timed right, the second pour gives you a very nice carafe of coffee, better balanced than you would get with a regular drip machine. That’s been my experience - with the previous Motif brewer.
@aetris@DrunkCat@Tadlem43 actually, no. It pre-soaks with heated water. It heats the water very fast. And I can tell you with the same whole bean coffee we had been using for years with a Bunn fast-brew maker, the outcome is noticeably better.
I bought it. Then upon reading the owners manual again. I checked it before ordering. BUT failed to notice the recommended brew size is 6 or 8 cups. Which is 1000ml or 1300ml. I usually brew 20 fl oz which is approximately 591.5 ml. I guess I’ll see how it goes. Hoping for the best.
@captkirkstny I brew just 2 mugs each morning, slightly over half of the full capacity of this brewer, and it comes out great. You’ll need to experiment with the quantity of coffee you use.
@Jonas4321 Thanks for the info. I feel better about my purchase. This will replace my Optimal Brew Mr. Coffee which brews 2 mugs well. But I’m looking for even better.
This should make a very good pot of coffee, it is an upgrade of the Motif sold previously which is a really nice coffee maker. I’d buy this if I hadn’t already bought earlier model
My $150. Kurig i bought for $75 new on craigs list still rings the bell.I added the $35 dollar double insulsted carafe at Kohls for $15 on sale…Thats a Bargain and a dam good cup of Joe.
I am among the masses that bought the earlier offering. I am also in the plurality that likes it very much. If you appreciate (and are willing to do the work to get and use) freshly ground, recently roasted coffee, the small amount of extra effort it takes to use this instead of a Keurig is paid off in spades with really great coffee. Time to brew and cleanup compared to a manual pour over is night and day, and the results are very close.
If you are like my son and his wife that kill a 12-cup pot before leaving for work in the morning, this isn’t big enough.
Someone asked what the difference between a pour over and regular drip coffee is, and I think there are two: drip uses less coffee grounds and generally makes a much weaker cup. Many folks prefer that over the robustness of a pour over, and that’s fine for them.
Someone else commented on a glass carafe being their preference, but the insulated steel carafe on this one keeps the coffee hot for well over an hour without the additional heat that is applied with a traditional drip brewer (and dramatically spoils the flavor in a short time).
@Jonas4321 Thanks. I was thinking about getting this, but your comment about the coffee being stronger stopped me. I love coffee, but not really strong coffee. You saved me $$!
@Jonas4321@Tadlem43 you can use less coffee than others do and adjust to your taste… Pour over is really just a fancy and somewhat pretentious way of saying drip coffee. This maker will heat water to a more consistent (optimal) temp which in theory will give you better extraction and flavor.
@robson@Tadlem43 I apologize for sounding like I was suggesting that pour over coffee is stronger by nature. @robson is correct that you can adjust things to taste. If you order a pour-over at BarStucks, you will generally get a stronger cup than what they serve already brewed.
Just like many people cannot appreciate the difference between wines (me included), many people do not appreciate the difference between drip and pour-over coffee. For those of us that CAN and DO appreciate the difference, it’s not “somewhat pretentious”. Using a gooseneck pot whose temperature can be extremely accurately set allows a great deal of “craft” to be applied to different roasts of coffee, and produce big taste differences with pour-over.
The Motif device does control the temperature to the most popular range for most medium to medium-dark roasts, but for a very light or very dark roasts, I will still use my gooseneck pot and manually pour over >205 or <185 degree water, respectively.
Drip coffee makers don’t focus on temperature control anywhere near as much as the Motif device does. In fact, most of the ones I use send the boiled water (from the heated base that is also overheating the brewed result) up a tube that runs through the reservoir of cold water, lowering the temperature by convection MUCH more when the reservoir is full and MUCH less when it gets closer to empty, producing a wide swing in temperature when the water hits the grounds. Automatic pour-over machines reduce this variation by their design.
@Jonas4321@Tadlem43 I fully agree with your analysis, I just don’t want someone to be scared off by terminology and skip getting a very good coffee maker is all…
@robson, I was pretty sure that was what you had intended with your “pretentious” comment.
Okay, jabs aside… @Tadlem43, you SHOULD buy one of these. It’s a fairly low-cost and very low-complexity way to up your game with brewing great coffee. Grind your beans just before brewing, try different roasts and vary the amount of beans you use. You’ll be brewing much better coffee, and starting your day with better coffee can’t help but make your whole day better!
No, my cheap car does not break down. And if it does I have these things called sockets and wrenches. I can’t imagine something as basic as a coffee pot failing.
@JuliaC same here, and I agree that I love the brew, but my only complaint with that one was the lack of clock which I didn’t notice before purchasing. Considering selling my old one on ebay and buying this one just for the clock.
Still using a free Melitta plastic cone with a $0.015 (unbleached) paper filter to brew freshly ground beans (using a Kyocera manual grinder from Japan). I’m a bit of a Luddite when it comes to coffee brewing…
So if this uses less coffee to get the same effect, should I ignore the pre-marked lines on the cone filter, or just take it down from 8 to 6 cups worth of grounds?
I’m also one of those who is very happy with this. I’m a teacher with a 10 week-old baby, so in the morning I can brew a pot and take it into the classroom with me.
I’m not nearly enough of a coffee aficionado to say this makes a superior cup, but it’s fast, clean, and easy to use.
@wickhameh Less coffee than what? Drip? My experience is that pour over uses MORE grounds than drip on a per-cup basis. Certainly more than a K-cup contains.
@Jonas4321 If the cone filter is pre-marked with where you should fill your grounds, I’m going to say “probably drip.”
So when you say the pour-over “uses” more grounds than a drip, is that based on research, automated machines, or taste preference? reference my above post about being a coffee-moron.
@wickhameh Based on my experience. I only brew drip 2X a year but for a week at a time at Scout camp, so 40 or so pots a year. In contrast, I make 2 mugs of coffee in my Motif every single other day of the year.
I use 1/2 cup of beans for a 10-cup pot in the drip maker.
For 2 mugs in my Motif (about 4 cups as measured by my drip pot), I use a little over 1/4 cup of beans. I use about the same amount if I do the pour-over manually, but those are done one cup at a time. The Motif saves me time and cleanup effort over the manual pour-over.
You’ll need to experiment a bit to find the amount of coffee that makes a perfect cup for you.
One thing to note - using the Motif, I have noticed that making a small amount of coffee requires more beans than making a larger batch. Makes sense to me.
My folks have a Moccamaster that they paid some obscene price for, and it makes great coffee. I hate regular drip machines, so I was really surprised with the quality of the coffee their machine made (yeah yeah, pour over blah blah blah temperature schmackity).
Buy it. I bought the one they offered in August. It makes a decent pot of coffee. The carafe only keeps it decently hot for an hour or so but since I’m using it at work that’s not a problem. It’s usually gone in less than 15 minutes.
What it doesn’t know is how to tell non-military time (seriously, you can’t change the clock from 24-hour mode)
Model: MT01003US; the MT stands for Montana, commonly called the “coffee state”
I have been using a Cuisinart 12 cup with thermal carafe for years. We only drink 8 cups (5 ounces/cup) per day…So, I guess I will try this one…The thermal carafe is a must, hot plates ruin coffee in <~1 hour ! I have been looking for the Ninja version for a long time, but I guess this one will do, plus it is a little cheaper than the Ninja (Ninja target price of ~$80). The time clock is only used by me to tell the age of the coffee. I plug in the pot and turn it on. The clock then functions as a timer!
What can I expect in having brewed one cup at a time.
It is only on Sunday that I succumb to a second cup. Also, what happens should I make more than one cup, and store the remainder for Iced Coffee?
I bought this last time (with the janky buttons but they’re still working fine so far…) and it does make an awesome cup of coffee. The carafe can keep coffee reasonably hot for at least 4-5 hours after brewing.
The main difference between this and the Technivorm (in spite of the meh verbiage) is the Technivorm is handmade in the Netherlands and is built like a tank with a copper heat block. I’ve had my Technivorm CDT for over 10 years, with no problems – I have very hard water so I descale regularly, but it has produced the same excellent coffee for over a decade. And I can pass the coffeemaker on to my kids…
If these guys get the SCA criteria right (water at 195-205F, brewing done in 4 to 8 minutes, etc) good on them, whether they pay for the SCA certification or not. If I was looking for another coffee machine, I’d try this. As was mentioned last time, Motif seems to be built by Bonavita, and Bonavita machines have the SCA certification – so they do know their stuff. FYI, the SCA brewer list is here: https://sca.coffee/certified-home-brewer
If I drink coffee it’s only 1 cup, but I would buy it otherwise & I would also buy it for Guests, but I rarely have a guest over, so…this Does look like a nice coffee maker @ a good price, so if anyone is trying to decide whether to buy it, or not, I say BY THE THING!! You Will Not Regret It!!
24hr time is free from the AM/PM breeding ground of confusion. 2020, perfect year to spend half a minute and start using the superior time format. What next? The metric system?
unforgiving-flying-heat The 24 hour clock is a BONUS. I am weird. I spent some time in Europe and I have converted all of my personal devices to use the 24 hour clock. I don’t call it “Military Time” because around the rest of the world it’s just … time.
Just keep the thing unplugged, until you are ready to make coffee, plug it in turn it on, and the clock functions as a timer. I would guess that this coffee maker will keep coffee decently warm and fresh for ~~3 hours or until 03:00 on the timer/clock.
I am just chiming in to say I recently bought one of these at Morningsave, inspired very much by these comments here. Until today, I though the coffee was pretty good if maybe not spectacular. But nice and hot. This morning, I brew as usual, maybe 3 cups of water instead of four, grab the carafe as soon as the beeping stops, pour, and it’s barely hot at all. Lukewarm. Tepid. On previous occasions I’ve poured coffee that’s been sitting in the carafe for an hour or two and it’s way hotter than this. I know it says that 6-8 cups are “optimal,” so I’ll do 6 next time and see what happens. On Amazon I’ve read suggestions to cover up the vents at the top of the basket holder. Maybe I’ll try that, too. Honestly, if this can’t be fixed this thing is going in the trash and maybe I’ll say fuck it and stick to Mr. Coffee. Basically I have gotten about three carafes of decent coffee from this thing, and now this. Or maybe time for an electric kettle and my French press.
@manhattnik That’s because the hot coffee is going into a cold pot and 3 cups is not enough to heat it up sufficiently. If you want hot coffee, especially when making smaller amounts, it’s a good idea to boil some water in the electric kettle, pour a cup or so into the carafe, swish it around, and pour it out before making coffee.
@rockblossom Thanks! Today I made myself a slightly smaller batch and was wondering if that had something to do with it. I really liked using my Breville grind n brew because it could do single cups, but it never got really hot. I suppose time to get a kettle. Also, what do coffee prose do it why want milk in their coffee without cooking it down too much? Use a frothed? Microwave the milk?
@rockblossom I am torn. I will try your electric kettle suggestion, although it seems a lot of work. I ended up buying the OXO 9-cup model which Wirecutter likes so much, so I can make 4 cups, it’s hot enough, no wasted coffee. Except. I can’t shake the feeling that, despite the Motif’s poor review (so poor I wonder if they were only making less than 6 cups) on Wirecutter, it seems to me, very subjectively, that the Motif coffee tastes better than from the highly-regarded OXO. I should mention that 6+ cups from the Motif tastes great, but I hate throwing away half my morning coffee. What to do? I can’t believe that simple preheating the carafe is enough to get my 3-cups from the Motif hot enough, and I imaging pouring pre-heated water into the Motif would be a really bad idea. I might say fuck it and get a Mr. Coffee and use Bustelo. I could plug in the Motif. and OXO next to each other and do a comparison test, I guess.
@manhattnik@rockblossom You might try a smaller carafe with less metal to heat up. Or a really big mug. Or something insulated. Or put your carafe in a nice snuggly blanket.
2yr (24month) limited warranty. Quit working at 25.5 months. This unit has been meticulously cared for. Apparently something in the electronics went bad. Wh have whole house surge protection so it wasn’t that. No power loss experienced. Very disappointed.
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At least it has a clock. The motif I last purchased from Meh is clockless. I still love it, flaws aside.
@connorbush are you allowed to set a start time for the coffee pot with the clock? Or can you just read military time with it?
@MaceKates not sure. Just the one I have had no clock what so ever.
@connorbush @MaceKates, if it does, I would think you set the time in military time, but unles you set it at over 12 ours, that shouldn’t even be a problem. The question is, can you program when to make your coffee. I went back, and checked the Specs: Program-able [military, 24 hour clock, timer only], or something like rhat.
Meh
I love my dumb Motif. I would buy this if I didn’t have the old version.
@akadamia I like the shape of the other one better, for the configuration of my counter space.
I still had the tab open to the discussion of that one
/giphy too many tabs
Here’s that discussion
@akadamia Amen to love of my dumb motif. I’ve used it nearly every day since acquisition. not a single hiccup along the way!
@connorbush I added the Switchbot button pusher to it and now it’s programmable!
The carafe doesn’t provide a visual of how much coffee remains but the heat retention is a good feature.
Good grief! The stainless steel carafe adds $50 to the price over at Amazon. The base model with with a glass carafe only costs $80 there.
@mwarren I think the glass carafe looks way sharper
@mwarren stainless steel is worth the extra price for me (although its actually less here) for the heat retention. but if you brew immediately and take it with you maying the glass is better
@jughead127 @mwarren I have had the previously Meh’d model for many months (and love it), and the stainless steel carafe does retain a coffee odor even though I scrub it with a bottle brush immediately after brewing and serving my morning coffee. I don’t much care, as I use it for brewing coffee, after all. It is quite good at keeping the coffee hot for an hour or so, but I go to the extra effort to put some hot tap water in it for 10 minutes or so before brewing (I intensely dislike cooled-off coffee). The glass carafe would have far less insulating abilities but would not be as likely to retain a coffee odor. IMO, of course.
I keep seeing old technologies coming back in style, like vinyl records and filtered coffee pots. Let it go, let it go …
@hchavers Replace filtered pots with what? A pod? Yech.
@hchavers @radi0j0hn
@G1 @hchavers @radi0j0hn This is not a coffee maker. It’s a coffee boiler
@arfdawg @G1 @hchavers @radi0j0hn Best way to make coffee while camping though!
@G1 @hchavers @LeviOhPlz @radi0j0hn Wait! You mean you don’t put a generator in your back pack?
@pldmich did you take advantage of your VMP discount there? Might be an opportunity to have a conversation with Customer Service.
@RedOak Yeah, it was 69.00. The vmp brought it down to the 62.10
@pldmich @RedOak nice.
@pldmich, What is that, $3.10 more? I’ve cut myself worse shaving & yes, I’m a Rocket Sugeon!! Does this make any sense?..Good, I was afraid it would!!
Tempted, but will stick to the plan to replace the wife’s Cuisinart with the Keurig Duo Plus (Costco). She brews a pot of decaf, and I just want a cup of caffeinated wakeup juice as I head out the door.
Warning to fellow Mehtizens: It looks like the basic model, the Duo Essentials, which is a side-by-side model in black, is complete junk.
Do NOT buy if they start unloading the Duo Essentials and they show up here. People are reporting multiple replacements failing (carafe side does not work). Another score for Costco satisfaction guarantee.
I too came here to say that I bought the old model and it brews a great cup. This one appears to allow a reusable filter as the old one has some plastic tabs that make rigid metal filter style not work. And a clock. So an upgrade if you have the counter space.
My only complaint with the old version is that the shower head pattern is too narrow. This one looks like it may be better. I think I may try it.
@tweezak Correction: I was seeing the shower’s reflection in the shiny black plastic. The descriptions of the shower are identical between the old model and this one. Meh.
Isn’t this just a drip-coffee machine?
@DrunkCat definitely not, it is a “pour-over” which is much better! don’t believe your eyes!
@DrunkCat @robson Pardon my ignorance, but what’s the difference?
@DrunkCat @robson @Tadlem43 40 bucks
@Tadlem43 - Pour over coffee has a first step of wetting the coffee grounds several seconds before the actual extraction pour. In theory anyway, this allows excess CO2 to bubble out, while the water saturates all of the grounds to prepare the various organic acids and sugars for an even extraction from the grounds when the actual pour-through happens. With everything timed right, the second pour gives you a very nice carafe of coffee, better balanced than you would get with a regular drip machine. That’s been my experience - with the previous Motif brewer.
@daleyshow LOL
@aetris Thank you!
@aetris @Tadlem43 Ah so it wets the grounds first with presumably not-hot water. Thanks!
@aetris @DrunkCat @Tadlem43 actually, no. It pre-soaks with heated water. It heats the water very fast. And I can tell you with the same whole bean coffee we had been using for years with a Bunn fast-brew maker, the outcome is noticeably better.
I bought it. Then upon reading the owners manual again. I checked it before ordering. BUT failed to notice the recommended brew size is 6 or 8 cups. Which is 1000ml or 1300ml. I usually brew 20 fl oz which is approximately 591.5 ml. I guess I’ll see how it goes. Hoping for the best.
@captkirkstny I brew just 2 mugs each morning, slightly over half of the full capacity of this brewer, and it comes out great. You’ll need to experiment with the quantity of coffee you use.
@Jonas4321 Thanks for the info. I feel better about my purchase. This will replace my Optimal Brew Mr. Coffee which brews 2 mugs well. But I’m looking for even better.
@captkirkstny brassy-fatty-templar
The last Motif I bought from Meh has been operating optimally as my work coffee pot.
This should make a very good pot of coffee, it is an upgrade of the Motif sold previously which is a really nice coffee maker. I’d buy this if I hadn’t already bought earlier model
My $150. Kurig i bought for $75 new on craigs list still rings the bell.I added the $35 dollar double insulsted carafe at Kohls for $15 on sale…Thats a Bargain and a dam good cup of Joe.
Damn that’s some harsh bark at military time. It’s just time that’s been drafted, what’s yer problem, meh?
/giphy what’s-your-problem
@AmazingChicken I think you mean:
/giphy What is your major malfunction
Seeing how that last Motif I bought here last August is still in the box, I should pass on this right?
Still rocking my unit from last year, otherwise I’d jump on this one. Solid purchase.
I bought the non-clock model from Meh a while back Looks good, works well and takes up less space.
/giphy partial-ready-mentalist
I am among the masses that bought the earlier offering. I am also in the plurality that likes it very much. If you appreciate (and are willing to do the work to get and use) freshly ground, recently roasted coffee, the small amount of extra effort it takes to use this instead of a Keurig is paid off in spades with really great coffee. Time to brew and cleanup compared to a manual pour over is night and day, and the results are very close.
If you are like my son and his wife that kill a 12-cup pot before leaving for work in the morning, this isn’t big enough.
Someone asked what the difference between a pour over and regular drip coffee is, and I think there are two: drip uses less coffee grounds and generally makes a much weaker cup. Many folks prefer that over the robustness of a pour over, and that’s fine for them.
Someone else commented on a glass carafe being their preference, but the insulated steel carafe on this one keeps the coffee hot for well over an hour without the additional heat that is applied with a traditional drip brewer (and dramatically spoils the flavor in a short time).
@Jonas4321 Thanks. I was thinking about getting this, but your comment about the coffee being stronger stopped me. I love coffee, but not really strong coffee. You saved me $$!
@Jonas4321 @Tadlem43 you can use less coffee than others do and adjust to your taste… Pour over is really just a fancy and somewhat pretentious way of saying drip coffee. This maker will heat water to a more consistent (optimal) temp which in theory will give you better extraction and flavor.
@robson @Tadlem43 I apologize for sounding like I was suggesting that pour over coffee is stronger by nature. @robson is correct that you can adjust things to taste. If you order a pour-over at BarStucks, you will generally get a stronger cup than what they serve already brewed.
Just like many people cannot appreciate the difference between wines (me included), many people do not appreciate the difference between drip and pour-over coffee. For those of us that CAN and DO appreciate the difference, it’s not “somewhat pretentious”. Using a gooseneck pot whose temperature can be extremely accurately set allows a great deal of “craft” to be applied to different roasts of coffee, and produce big taste differences with pour-over.
The Motif device does control the temperature to the most popular range for most medium to medium-dark roasts, but for a very light or very dark roasts, I will still use my gooseneck pot and manually pour over >205 or <185 degree water, respectively.
Drip coffee makers don’t focus on temperature control anywhere near as much as the Motif device does. In fact, most of the ones I use send the boiled water (from the heated base that is also overheating the brewed result) up a tube that runs through the reservoir of cold water, lowering the temperature by convection MUCH more when the reservoir is full and MUCH less when it gets closer to empty, producing a wide swing in temperature when the water hits the grounds. Automatic pour-over machines reduce this variation by their design.
@Jonas4321 @Tadlem43 I fully agree with your analysis, I just don’t want someone to be scared off by terminology and skip getting a very good coffee maker is all…
@robson, I was pretty sure that was what you had intended with your “pretentious” comment.
Okay, jabs aside…
@Tadlem43, you SHOULD buy one of these. It’s a fairly low-cost and very low-complexity way to up your game with brewing great coffee. Grind your beans just before brewing, try different roasts and vary the amount of beans you use. You’ll be brewing much better coffee, and starting your day with better coffee can’t help but make your whole day better!
@Jonas4321 Thanks!
@Jonas4321 Ah…ok… Thanks for clearing that up!
No, my cheap car does not break down. And if it does I have these things called sockets and wrenches. I can’t imagine something as basic as a coffee pot failing.
@unksol You would think.
Check out the comments of these unhappy Kuerig Duo Essentials owners:
https://www.mashupmom.com/brew-both-ways-a-keurig-duo-essentials-coffee-maker-review/#comments
@mike808 that’s not a basic coffee pot that’s an overpriced Kuerig. That I would expect to break.
@unksol Except the Plus model is backed by Costco. And I really want the duo functionality (see above).
I bought the last one, it has no clock military or otherwise, and I love it. I use it every day and couldn’t be happier
@JuliaC Me too. I got one with the janky buttons but so far so good. They still work, so I’m not in for a $60 upgrade.
@JuliaC same here, and I agree that I love the brew, but my only complaint with that one was the lack of clock which I didn’t notice before purchasing. Considering selling my old one on ebay and buying this one just for the clock.
Still using a free Melitta plastic cone with a $0.015 (unbleached) paper filter to brew freshly ground beans (using a Kyocera manual grinder from Japan). I’m a bit of a Luddite when it comes to coffee brewing…
@MrNews Do you use a coal-fired stove to heat your water?
@MrNews Luddites. The OGs of cold brew.
@therealjrn Too technological: using the sun and a magnifying glass…
So if this uses less coffee to get the same effect, should I ignore the pre-marked lines on the cone filter, or just take it down from 8 to 6 cups worth of grounds?
I’m also one of those who is very happy with this. I’m a teacher with a 10 week-old baby, so in the morning I can brew a pot and take it into the classroom with me.
I’m not nearly enough of a coffee aficionado to say this makes a superior cup, but it’s fast, clean, and easy to use.
@wickhameh Less coffee than what? Drip? My experience is that pour over uses MORE grounds than drip on a per-cup basis. Certainly more than a K-cup contains.
@Jonas4321 If the cone filter is pre-marked with where you should fill your grounds, I’m going to say “probably drip.”
So when you say the pour-over “uses” more grounds than a drip, is that based on research, automated machines, or taste preference?
reference my above post about being a coffee-moron.
@wickhameh Based on my experience. I only brew drip 2X a year but for a week at a time at Scout camp, so 40 or so pots a year. In contrast, I make 2 mugs of coffee in my Motif every single other day of the year.
I use 1/2 cup of beans for a 10-cup pot in the drip maker.
For 2 mugs in my Motif (about 4 cups as measured by my drip pot), I use a little over 1/4 cup of beans. I use about the same amount if I do the pour-over manually, but those are done one cup at a time. The Motif saves me time and cleanup effort over the manual pour-over.
You’ll need to experiment a bit to find the amount of coffee that makes a perfect cup for you.
One thing to note - using the Motif, I have noticed that making a small amount of coffee requires more beans than making a larger batch. Makes sense to me.
My folks have a Moccamaster that they paid some obscene price for, and it makes great coffee. I hate regular drip machines, so I was really surprised with the quality of the coffee their machine made (yeah yeah, pour over blah blah blah temperature schmackity).
Here goes my most expensive Meh so far!
/giphy interesting-malignant-glove
Does anyone else find that they don’t buy anything for months at a time and then suddenly BAM you’re buying a whole bunch in short order?
I had three orders in July 2019… then nothing until the Halloween IRK… then nothing until the recent IRK, Air Purifier, and now… this one.
/buy
@steelopus It worked! Your order number is: scandalous-longing-thunder
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Buy it. I bought the one they offered in August. It makes a decent pot of coffee. The carafe only keeps it decently hot for an hour or so but since I’m using it at work that’s not a problem. It’s usually gone in less than 15 minutes.
MT obviously stands for Military Time.
I have been using a Cuisinart 12 cup with thermal carafe for years. We only drink 8 cups (5 ounces/cup) per day…So, I guess I will try this one…The thermal carafe is a must, hot plates ruin coffee in <~1 hour ! I have been looking for the Ninja version for a long time, but I guess this one will do, plus it is a little cheaper than the Ninja (Ninja target price of ~$80). The time clock is only used by me to tell the age of the coffee. I plug in the pot and turn it on. The clock then functions as a timer!
Bought a prior version of this coffee maker through MEH and it is excellent!
What can I expect in having brewed one cup at a time.
It is only on Sunday that I succumb to a second cup. Also, what happens should I make more than one cup, and store the remainder for Iced Coffee?
I bought this last time (with the janky buttons but they’re still working fine so far…) and it does make an awesome cup of coffee. The carafe can keep coffee reasonably hot for at least 4-5 hours after brewing.
I love my essentials. Not paying $60 for a clock.
The main difference between this and the Technivorm (in spite of the meh verbiage) is the Technivorm is handmade in the Netherlands and is built like a tank with a copper heat block. I’ve had my Technivorm CDT for over 10 years, with no problems – I have very hard water so I descale regularly, but it has produced the same excellent coffee for over a decade. And I can pass the coffeemaker on to my kids…
If these guys get the SCA criteria right (water at 195-205F, brewing done in 4 to 8 minutes, etc) good on them, whether they pay for the SCA certification or not. If I was looking for another coffee machine, I’d try this. As was mentioned last time, Motif seems to be built by Bonavita, and Bonavita machines have the SCA certification – so they do know their stuff. FYI, the SCA brewer list is here: https://sca.coffee/certified-home-brewer
If I drink coffee it’s only 1 cup, but I would buy it otherwise & I would also buy it for Guests, but I rarely have a guest over, so…this Does look like a nice coffee maker @ a good price, so if anyone is trying to decide whether to buy it, or not, I say BY THE THING!! You Will Not Regret It!!
24hr time is free from the AM/PM breeding ground of confusion. 2020, perfect year to spend half a minute and start using the superior time format. What next? The metric system?
@Ptaco never
@Ptaco @robson YES. DECIMALS. DONE.
Note that the pre-infusion function doesn’t work with the timer.
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@spavlis weird science! wtf is that?
@robson @spavlis How Gene Simmons tongue was made.
@robson @spavlis Gumi Tsureta
unforgiving-flying-heat
The 24 hour clock is a BONUS. I am weird. I spent some time in Europe and I have converted all of my personal devices to use the 24 hour clock. I don’t call it “Military Time” because around the rest of the world it’s just … time.
@ronnyd you’re not weird. It is the only correct way to tell time.
Thanks, @Ptaco from now on I’ll assume MT means Metric Time.
Just keep the thing unplugged, until you are ready to make coffee, plug it in turn it on, and the clock functions as a timer. I would guess that this coffee maker will keep coffee decently warm and fresh for ~~3 hours or until 03:00 on the timer/clock.
First purchase. Should I expect that it will always take a week to get processed?
@Boxerman Each sale is different. Careful reading of the “Specs” above reveals this:
Mine arrived today, and the display is showing four digits of pure malarkey. Going to let it warm up to room temp and try again later
The coffee maker does not get the coffee hot enough. Anyone else having this problem
Quite excellent coffee maker. Not a full-size 12 cup, just what I wanted. Carafe holds coffee hot for hours. Easy to use. Easy to clean.
I am just chiming in to say I recently bought one of these at Morningsave, inspired very much by these comments here. Until today, I though the coffee was pretty good if maybe not spectacular. But nice and hot. This morning, I brew as usual, maybe 3 cups of water instead of four, grab the carafe as soon as the beeping stops, pour, and it’s barely hot at all. Lukewarm. Tepid. On previous occasions I’ve poured coffee that’s been sitting in the carafe for an hour or two and it’s way hotter than this. I know it says that 6-8 cups are “optimal,” so I’ll do 6 next time and see what happens. On Amazon I’ve read suggestions to cover up the vents at the top of the basket holder. Maybe I’ll try that, too. Honestly, if this can’t be fixed this thing is going in the trash and maybe I’ll say fuck it and stick to Mr. Coffee. Basically I have gotten about three carafes of decent coffee from this thing, and now this. Or maybe time for an electric kettle and my French press.
@manhattnik That’s because the hot coffee is going into a cold pot and 3 cups is not enough to heat it up sufficiently. If you want hot coffee, especially when making smaller amounts, it’s a good idea to boil some water in the electric kettle, pour a cup or so into the carafe, swish it around, and pour it out before making coffee.
@rockblossom Thanks! Today I made myself a slightly smaller batch and was wondering if that had something to do with it. I really liked using my Breville grind n brew because it could do single cups, but it never got really hot. I suppose time to get a kettle. Also, what do coffee prose do it why want milk in their coffee without cooking it down too much? Use a frothed? Microwave the milk?
@rockblossom So the only way to get decent coffee out of this is to brew a batch twice as large as I can comfortably drink. Wonderful.
@rockblossom I am torn. I will try your electric kettle suggestion, although it seems a lot of work. I ended up buying the OXO 9-cup model which Wirecutter likes so much, so I can make 4 cups, it’s hot enough, no wasted coffee. Except. I can’t shake the feeling that, despite the Motif’s poor review (so poor I wonder if they were only making less than 6 cups) on Wirecutter, it seems to me, very subjectively, that the Motif coffee tastes better than from the highly-regarded OXO. I should mention that 6+ cups from the Motif tastes great, but I hate throwing away half my morning coffee. What to do? I can’t believe that simple preheating the carafe is enough to get my 3-cups from the Motif hot enough, and I imaging pouring pre-heated water into the Motif would be a really bad idea. I might say fuck it and get a Mr. Coffee and use Bustelo. I could plug in the Motif. and OXO next to each other and do a comparison test, I guess.
@manhattnik @rockblossom You might try a smaller carafe with less metal to heat up. Or a really big mug. Or something insulated. Or put your carafe in a nice snuggly blanket.
I hope you offer this item again. I purchased the original coffee maker and would like to get this one with timer and additional functionality.
@gijoey I checked morningsave.com and sidedeal.com It looks like they sold out! But these have been popular, so maybe they’ll come back!
2yr (24month) limited warranty. Quit working at 25.5 months. This unit has been meticulously cared for. Apparently something in the electronics went bad. Wh have whole house surge protection so it wasn’t that. No power loss experienced. Very disappointed.