@devans The actual definition is much more forgiving for the cereal argument. "a liquid food especially with a meat, fish, or vegetable stock as a base and often containing pieces of solid food"
@devans And some soups are not cooked (i.e. gazpacho). Except maybe now I've opened an opportunity to argue that cold soups are not soup . . . Maybe they are Cereal too?
@Oldfeet i thought gazpacho was cooked at first then served cold... Then again, ive never had gazpacho and im too lazy to google it, either.
Either way, i would define cereal as uniquely cereal as it is a product that has a longer shelf life and none of its ingrediants (except for the milk) require refrigeration nor further preparation besides add milk and add spoon.
In the post I posted below, the author does have a basis to call milk a garnish. So while it's not what @chadp is saying, it's a distant cousin on the dog's side.
@galmaegi " a mixture of small pieces of raw or cooked food (such as pasta, meat, fruit, eggs, or vegetables) combined usually with a dressing and served cold" cereal meets that.
@FroodyFrog Grits are grits man, don't go renaming them. I'm just kidding. I'm so tired that when I read the first line of your comment, I thought it said It depends on the coast. I was like really, bringing coasts into this... I need some zzzz's.
Porridge (also spelled porage, porrige, parritch)[1] is a dish made by boiling ground, crushed, or chopped starchy plants - typically grain - in water or milk. It is often cooked or served with flavorings such as sugar, honey, etc. to make a sweet dish, or mixed with spices, vegetables, etc. to make a savoury dish. It is usually served hot in a bowl.
I'm still not sure if that makes it a subcategory of soup
@narfcake Thank you! I've been sitting here trying to riddle me this on how or why this discussion started. Avoiding work is the only valid reason. Cereal is cereal, why mess with a good thing.
@Lotsofgoats It may be true that they are different, but I haven't found one yet that appeals to me. It's a generalization, but so far without exception.
Not to spiral this further into the Land-O-Lakes lady's endless dairy dungeon, but don't we need to agree first on whether "cereal" in this context refers to the dish itself (ie, served with milk) or simply the dry grain? This would solve the complicated salad problem, too...
This question is more complex than it appears at face value because it opens up the playing field to a whole swathe of other questions. What is cooking, for example? Need heat be involved? Is a salad not considered to be cooked? What about gazpacho, a cold soup? It never sees a stove, has it not been cooked? If it hasn't been cooked, and a soup must be cooked, how can it be a soup? What about..................
That aside, depends what kind of salad (i.e is there chicken, lamb, bison, etc in it? And even then, depends if you would eat previously mentioned additions cold or not)
@FroodyFrog I think you mean the first image. I feel like the technical definitions for cooking don't necessarily line up to use in practice. For example, sushi is not cooked by the standards of most of those definitions (though a component of sushi is (rice)) and yet I would expect that most people would refer to the process of preparing sushi as cooking.
@FroodyFrog right I'm just curious if I'm crazy or if everyone would generally agree that the preparation of things like salads, sushi, gazpacho, etc. would be considered as falling under the umbrella of cooking.
@jbartus While I wouldn't so far as to call you crazy, in my opinion the "umbrella of cooking" is small enough to fit in my cocktail. The preparation of the things you listed is just that - preparation. Cooking requires heat, or making a bloody mary or other drinks would be "cooking".
@jbartus Nope. I don’t care how much time you spend chopping up that pork loin, it’s not cooked. Most cooking is done with heat, but some is done with acid and/or fermentation, such as ceviche, kimchee and sauerkraut,
Cereal is by definition the dry stuff. So if you put something on it, it is still cereal. It might be cereal and milk or cereal and something else. For example,my mom was allergic to milk , she put coffee on her cereal. Does that now make her cereal coffee ? NO.
However, if some wing nut put chicken or some other type of broth on their cereal, then you could call it cereal soup. Butonly if the ratio of broth to cereal is quite high . AND you would need some other ingredients. Like carrots. And even then, it would still have cereal in the name. It would be cereal carrot soup. So it would still be cereal. It would just be in soup.
Whoever brought in the salad thing was just being obnoxious. But some cereal might make tasty crouton substitute. Still cereal though.
Are you kidding? This is Amehrica. This is simple. Go to the store. Go to the cereal aisle. What do you see? Boxes. Go to the soup aisle. Cans. (If you really need to, go to the salad aisle. Bags.)
Do you see any cans of Kellog's Raisin Bran? Do you see a box of Campbell's Tomato Soup? NO.
A. Cereal comes in boxes. B. Soup comes in cans. (and if you really need to) C. Salad comes in bags.
@MrMark Because the people sitting in hotel lobbies watching Fox "News" and eating shitty "continental breakfast" should be considered the final arbiters of taste and proper diction. (Even I'm annoyed by the extent to which I'm using quotations marks there. All necessary.)
Many dishes are cooked, not merely by heat, but by chemical and mechanical processes. The use of acidic liquids like citrus juice and vinegar is a common form of this process. Milk cooks the ceral
Part of the classic (though generally much lamented) experience of breakfast cereal is the sogginess that arises when it sits too long in milk. I'd argue that "soggy" cereal is simply overcooked. We want our cereal to be somewhat soggy. Al dente perhaps.
I also take serious issue with this need to rigidly define things and allow for no overlap or exceptions. Specificity is fine, but inflexibility isn't. Some "salads"--e.g., where the solid ingredients are swimming in a liquid medium--are soup. And if a cereal combination contains a lot of fruit and non-grainy vegetables, it could be salad.
Fuck your either/ors. Part of the problem with this country is our insistence on dichotomies and polarities with no recognition of the juicy middle. The soupy middle, if you will. Hell, even if you won't.
@joelmw sez: "We want our cereal to be somewhat soggy. Al dente perhaps."
Which leads to the question: Is cereal just another form of pasta? In which case, it should be perfectly acceptable to have our morning cereal covered with pasta sauce and maybe a bit of grated Parmesan and some leftover chicken bits.
@FroodyFrog Not exactly. But I fully support your interpretation. And in fact, cookies in milk is essentially cereal in milk. So, yes, I'd say that the liquid mixture you're preparing to consume here is soup. If we look from the perspective of cookies dipped, well, the milk, by definition is a dipping sauce and the cookies thusly cookies enhanced with sauce.
Pictured here are the ingredients laid out for cookie soup. I'd add that the soup set up to be thus prepared and consumed is a nontraditional soup presentation, but quite acceptable in my opinion.
For those keeping score, this counts as an even more liberal rendering of my "cereal in milk is soup" doctrine. I wouldn't expect everyone who accepts the original to accept this. But I do.
@rockblossom That being said, not every acceptable combination tastes good--least of all to everyone who might consume it. This has nothing to do with the definitions of cereal, pasta or soup.
@joelmw Or pie. I use GF cereals dumped in a blender with some coconut oil, then pressed into the bottom of a pan, to make a pie crust. Baked with some sugar and fruit and a bit of dairy, it is pie. So cereal + milk + sugar + fruit = pie.
Taste is subjective. That's why there's a market for Cool Whip and vegemite.
@sammydog01@joelmw technically speaking, heat is involved. Given that cereal is typically not stored in a fridge and that milk is typically stored in a fridge, there is a transfer of heat from the cereal into the milk until such time as they reach equilibrium. Furthermore, as they sit out on the table, heat is transferring from the local atmosphere around the bowl of milk and cereal into the milk and cereal mixture warming it up.
@jbartus Heat is involved with everything. But cooking requires an external heat source. EXTERNAL!!!!!!!!! And ambient air doesn't count. Letting ice cream melt is not cooking.
@sammydog01 why doesn't ambient air count? What if my kitchen table is near my stove and a loaf of bread is baking and heat is radiating out from the stove and warming my cereal at an accelerated pace? Why isn't letting ice cream melt cooking? Some people don't like solid ice cream and intentionally let it melt to suit their preference. Isn't that all cooking is, getting food into a particular state that suits one's preferences? Most food actually loses nutrients and such throughout the cooking process so there's little biological imperative behind it.
@jbartus It does. And the fact is that allowing something to stand at room temperature, or sit in the sun or in proximity to a warm oven is a necessary step in the cooking of certain foods.
One of my brothers is a professional chef (and the other was and has an amazing capacity to construct a dish based simply on having tasted it)--and I mean the fancy-restaurant kind. Yeah, I know, that doesn't necessarily mean that I have any authority. But I wanted to say it anyway. So, yeah, I've been around people who know how to do with the food. They learned me some good shit.
And, again, it's science. There are chemical processes and exo- and endothermic reactions occurring. That's cooking.
@joelmw True wisdom comes to each of us when we realize how little we understand about life, ourselves, and the world around us.
Yesterday, the definition of cooking required application of direct heat. Today, we have brought that definition into question. Tomorrow, perhaps the unheated foods of this world like Ice Cream, Salad, and Cereal will be officially recognized as being cooked by the dictionaries as they come into enlightenment.
As for your point about heat-free cooking, I absolutely agree. The idea that direct heat application is necessary to the cooking process is crazy, there are many instances in cooking where you allow a dish to rest, or when baking bread where proofing and allowing the dough to rise properly is essential to the process.
@joelmw I’m reading this conversation a month after it happened, but a comment is necessary.
As I began to read, I was getting a little sad. I began to doubt that anyone would give the right answer. And then the clouds parted and the angels sang as a beam of light enveloped your beautiful response. The world was not without hope.
The grainy (cereal-y) stuff in the box is just “cereal”. When you combine it with milk to make something new, you’re making a simple soup. Many soups are cold. Many soups are simple. Cereal soup is probably the most common of them all.
And cooking is absolutely about chemical process. Heat just happens to be a common and efficient means of cooking.
Anyway, what I really wanted to say was… that’s my dad. We’re related. (And he’s right.)
Cereal is bread that we sucked the life out of, then sadly attempt to re-hydrate for breakfast, or a terrible midnight snack. Cereal is a shitty sandwich.
did you know steel cut oats are better for you than count chockula or cap’n crunch, or instant oats?
no?
get some steel cut oats, or irish oats (or there’s one more name for them), put 1 portion - let’s say 1/4 c - and 3 portions milk - let’s say 3/4 c - or other preferred liquid (vodka?) into a container
heat it up until it bubbles, then turn it off right away
throw some raisins or chocolate chips or almonds (or whatever) into it
@Yoda_Daenerys I liked the idea of steel cut oats but found them too broken down for me. I like whole oats, cooked with just enough water to soften them but not to make them sticky or gooey. Add butter, milk, coconut sugar, dried fruit and pecans.
Saying cereal is a soup is like saying a quesadilla is a sandwich or a dresser is a filing cabinet. It’s something different but they share similar characteristics.
it's a soup. it's non-liquid things in a liquid medium. therefore, soup. Q.E.D.
@carl669 Okay, but with that criterion, our blood is also soup. And my farm pond is soup. Kids in a pool = soup.
@rockblossom i mean, if a giant comes along with a giant spoon...
@carl669 this is dumb and you're dumb
@Lotsofgoats nuh uh.
@carl669 ahuh
@Lotsofgoats
@carl669 @Lotsofgoats
Uhh... what's happening in that picture? I haven't looked at a goat user manual in a couple of years.
@FroodyFrog goats nursing, mother goat still pregnant
@Yoda_Daenerys
Oh, I thought they were playing a game.
@carl669 @rockblossom yes
It is not a soup
Cereal is not cooked in milk.
@devans Correct. It's NOT a soup.
@devans True, but it can be soupy.
@devans The actual definition is much more forgiving for the cereal argument.
"a liquid food especially with a meat, fish, or vegetable stock as a base and often containing pieces of solid food"
@devans And some soups are not cooked (i.e. gazpacho). Except maybe now I've opened an opportunity to argue that cold soups are not soup . . . Maybe they are Cereal too?
@Oldfeet what is cooking? Need heat be involved for something to be cooked? Is a salad not something that falls under the category of cooking?
@jbartus @Oldfeet
Depends what kind of salad you are talking about.
@Oldfeet i thought gazpacho was cooked at first then served cold... Then again, ive never had gazpacho and im too lazy to google it, either.
Either way, i would define cereal as uniquely cereal as it is a product that has a longer shelf life and none of its ingrediants (except for the milk) require refrigeration nor further preparation besides add milk and add spoon.
@Oldfeet I would argue the gazpacho is inedible and that soup has to be edible.
@devans
(Number 18!)
But what if someone serves you a soup which you wouldn't eat? It's still edible, but you won't eat it.
Same with gazpacho (though it's never been offered to me before, and probably never will.)
@jbartus we had this exact conversation. What quantifies cooking? Like in ceviche, for example.
@devans Au contraire. Cooked is exactly what it is.
@hollboll
Now you're just making up words.
@devans What about hot cereal?
@FroodyFrog which words?
@devans therefore, oatmeal is soup
@Kevin Clearly, you are correct. Oatmeal is soup.
And Milk is a meat broth… kinda.
@Oldfeet cold soup is just a smoothie in a bowl
@polarbear84 you are correct. Gazpacho is first cooked then served cold. http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/gazpacho-recipe-1937573
Who is saying it's a salad?
@galmaegi @chadp. He's saying that the cereal is dressed in the milk.
@hollboll So, now milk is a salad dressing?
@rockblossom that's what @chadp is arguing. I think cereal is just cereal. It is not a soup.
@rockblossom @hollboll
In the post I posted below, the author does have a basis to call milk a garnish. So while it's not what @chadp is saying, it's a distant cousin on the dog's side.
@galmaegi " a mixture of small pieces of raw or cooked food (such as pasta, meat, fruit, eggs, or vegetables) combined usually with a dressing and served cold"
cereal meets that.
@ChadP I think "dressing" implies a lower liquid to solid ratio than is standard in breakfast cereal.
@ChadP I could also argue that if you add sugar and fruit to your cereal and milk, it's pie.
@ChadP I will now start eating salad as often as possible
@rockblossom Or we could just eat pie!
@rockblossom Freeze it and it is ice cream
It depends on the cereal.
@FroodyFrog Grits are grits man, don't go renaming them. I'm just kidding. I'm so tired that when I read the first line of your comment, I thought it said It depends on the coast. I was like really, bringing coasts into this... I need some zzzz's.
@mehbee
Why would I bring coasts into this? We all know which coast is the best.
Quite simply, its whichever one has me.
@FroodyFrog That totally makes sense to me! It was my sleep deprived brain being silly.
@FroodyFrog Aren't grits, oatmeal, and cream of wheat really porridge?
@jqubed
I've never been close enough physically or emotionally to any of those tobe able to answer your question.
@jqubed grits are the greatest thing created after salt, pepper and butter. Add all four and SHAZAM. Thats your breakfast
@jqubed Doesn't "cereal" refer to grains, like corn and wheat? So cereal.
@polarbear84 I like to chop up a sausage patty and put it on top. I call it grit sprinkles.
@sammydog01 Wikipedia definition of porridge:
I'm still not sure if that makes it a subcategory of soup
My big question - what real work were you staffers trying to avoid with this discussion?
@narfcake Thank you! I've been sitting here trying to riddle me this on how or why this discussion started. Avoiding work is the only valid reason. Cereal is cereal, why mess with a good thing.
I don't like soup. I like cereal. Therefore cereal is not soup. Easy.
@walarney wait how do you not like soup
@Lotsofgoats Everybody is different.
@narfcake every soup is different! how can you like none of them?!
@Lotsofgoats @narfcake
As a wise frog once said: "Soup is like goats. There's a kind for everybody".
Of course, shortly after that, he was pelted with goats.
That winter, he had a nice goat coat which he gave to his favorite goat.
@Lotsofgoats It may be true that they are different, but I haven't found one yet that appeals to me. It's a generalization, but so far without exception.
Not to spiral this further into the Land-O-Lakes lady's endless dairy dungeon, but don't we need to agree first on whether "cereal" in this context refers to the dish itself (ie, served with milk) or simply the dry grain? This would solve the complicated salad problem, too...
This question is more complex than it appears at face value because it opens up the playing field to a whole swathe of other questions. What is cooking, for example? Need heat be involved? Is a salad not considered to be cooked? What about gazpacho, a cold soup? It never sees a stove, has it not been cooked? If it hasn't been cooked, and a soup must be cooked, how can it be a soup? What about..................
@jbartus
Depends on what qualifies as a salad.
That aside, depends what kind of salad (i.e is there chicken, lamb, bison, etc in it? And even then, depends if you would eat previously mentioned additions cold or not)
@FroodyFrog ah, but does cutting up the lettuce, julienne cutting carrots, slicing tomatoes, etc. not constitute cooking?
@jbartus
That's a bit tricky.
When used as a noun:
When used as a verb:
Now, if you look at the second image, then cooking may or may not involve heat.
@FroodyFrog I think you mean the first image. I feel like the technical definitions for cooking don't necessarily line up to use in practice. For example, sushi is not cooked by the standards of most of those definitions (though a component of sushi is (rice)) and yet I would expect that most people would refer to the process of preparing sushi as cooking.
@jbartus
Nah, I meant the second.
@FroodyFrog on my screen the second one exclusively talks about heating things
@jbartus
Exactly. And the weird they're defining is cook
So they're saying it's only considered cooking if heat is involved.
@FroodyFrog Yes, that is what "cook" means. Didn't you heating equipment in "Breaking Bad"?
@sammydog01
Still haven't watching Breaking Bad. It's on my*possibly watch* list.
However, I see your point.
@FroodyFrog right I'm just curious if I'm crazy or if everyone would generally agree that the preparation of things like salads, sushi, gazpacho, etc. would be considered as falling under the umbrella of cooking.
@jbartus
What's wrong with being crazy? I put myself in that mindset from time to time as a way to relax.
@jbartus While I wouldn't so far as to call you crazy, in my opinion the "umbrella of cooking" is small enough to fit in my cocktail. The preparation of the things you listed is just that - preparation. Cooking requires heat, or making a bloody mary or other drinks would be "cooking".
@hallmike I feel like a cook at a sushi restaurant would be surprised to hear such a claim.
@jbartus you mean a chef?
@jbartus Nope. I don’t care how much time you spend chopping up that pork loin, it’s not cooked. Most cooking is done with heat, but some is done with acid and/or fermentation, such as ceviche, kimchee and sauerkraut,
Milk is not a requirement of cereal so cereal is not soup.
@CaptAmehrican what if it's combined with milk?
No.
Cereal is by definition the dry stuff. So if you put something on it, it is still cereal.
It might be cereal and milk or cereal and something else.
For example,my mom was allergic to milk , she put coffee on her cereal. Does that now make her cereal coffee ? NO.
However, if some wing nut put chicken or some other type of broth on their cereal, then you could call it cereal soup. But only if the ratio of broth to cereal is quite high . AND you would need some other ingredients. Like carrots. And even then, it would still have cereal in the name. It would be cereal carrot soup. So it would still be cereal. It would just be in soup.
Whoever brought in the salad thing was just being obnoxious. But some cereal might make tasty crouton substitute. Still cereal though.
Are you kidding? This is Amehrica. This is simple. Go to the store. Go to the cereal aisle. What do you see? Boxes. Go to the soup aisle. Cans. (If you really need to, go to the salad aisle. Bags.)
Do you see any cans of Kellog's Raisin Bran? Do you see a box of Campbell's Tomato Soup? NO.
A. Cereal comes in boxes.
B. Soup comes in cans.
(and if you really need to)
C. Salad comes in bags.
sheesh.
Next question, when does it become a salad? I've purchased lettuce in a bag, but haven't purchased a salad in a bag.
@sligett
@MrMark RE: Salad - my mention of this was theoretical. I'm not a salad person.
@MrMark Pacific Soup, eh? I don't think they are as Amehrican as Kellogg's or Campbell. Aren't they in Oregon?
@sligett Not sure, just the first result when I googled box of soup.
@sligett
@MrMark They're based in Oregon.
http://www.pacificfoods.com/
@sligett And, just to finish it off, Campbell's also makes soup in bags.
Look how happy she is to be eating bagged soup!
@brhfl Well, if someone would now show me a can of cereal, I'll be completely wrong.
@sligett
@carl669 fuck
The next time you are in hotel lobby with free continental breakfast go up to the individuals eating cereal and ask how their soup is.
Their reaction will tell you what the majority of people think about calling cereal a soup.
@MrMark Because the people sitting in hotel lobbies watching Fox "News" and eating shitty "continental breakfast" should be considered the final arbiters of taste and proper diction. (Even I'm annoyed by the extent to which I'm using quotations marks there. All necessary.)
Okay, yes, I can see an argument for that. Sigh.
Still, people are idiots.
It wasn't until you asked this question.
I, for one, put my milk in the bowl before my cereal SPECIFICALLY so I can call it a soup.
"It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is."
@walarney Monica, is that milk on your dress?
Cereal in milk is soup.
Many dishes are cooked, not merely by heat, but by chemical and mechanical processes. The use of acidic liquids like citrus juice and vinegar is a common form of this process. Milk cooks the ceral
Part of the classic (though generally much lamented) experience of breakfast cereal is the sogginess that arises when it sits too long in milk. I'd argue that "soggy" cereal is simply overcooked. We want our cereal to be somewhat soggy. Al dente perhaps.
I also take serious issue with this need to rigidly define things and allow for no overlap or exceptions. Specificity is fine, but inflexibility isn't. Some "salads"--e.g., where the solid ingredients are swimming in a liquid medium--are soup. And if a cereal combination contains a lot of fruit and non-grainy vegetables, it could be salad.
Fuck your either/ors. Part of the problem with this country is our insistence on dichotomies and polarities with no recognition of the juicy middle. The soupy middle, if you will. Hell, even if you won't.
I present for your consideration, sciencey shit talking about the various states cereal goes through during it's chemical processing in milk.
Crunchiness Loss and Moisture Toughening in Puffed Cereals and Snacks, from the Journal of Food Science.
Science, because everything else . . .
@joelmw Good God, man. Have you stopped proofreading? Milk cooks the cereal.
@joelmw
That is what you said. Right?
@joelmw sez: "We want our cereal to be somewhat soggy. Al dente perhaps."
Which leads to the question: Is cereal just another form of pasta? In which case, it should be perfectly acceptable to have our morning cereal covered with pasta sauce and maybe a bit of grated Parmesan and some leftover chicken bits.
@FroodyFrog Not exactly. But I fully support your interpretation. And in fact, cookies in milk is essentially cereal in milk. So, yes, I'd say that the liquid mixture you're preparing to consume here is soup. If we look from the perspective of cookies dipped, well, the milk, by definition is a dipping sauce and the cookies thusly cookies enhanced with sauce.
Pictured here are the ingredients laid out for cookie soup. I'd add that the soup set up to be thus prepared and consumed is a nontraditional soup presentation, but quite acceptable in my opinion.
For those keeping score, this counts as an even more liberal rendering of my "cereal in milk is soup" doctrine. I wouldn't expect everyone who accepts the original to accept this. But I do.
@rockblossom
@rockblossom That being said, not every acceptable combination tastes good--least of all to everyone who might consume it. This has nothing to do with the definitions of cereal, pasta or soup.
@joelmw Or pie. I use GF cereals dumped in a blender with some coconut oil, then pressed into the bottom of a pan, to make a pie crust. Baked with some sugar and fruit and a bit of dairy, it is pie. So cereal + milk + sugar + fruit = pie.
Taste is subjective. That's why there's a market for Cool Whip and vegemite.
@joelmw
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@joelmw NO NO NO NO NO Heat is required for cooking. The correct word for anything else is "prepare".
@sammydog01
@sammydog01 @joelmw technically speaking, heat is involved. Given that cereal is typically not stored in a fridge and that milk is typically stored in a fridge, there is a transfer of heat from the cereal into the milk until such time as they reach equilibrium. Furthermore, as they sit out on the table, heat is transferring from the local atmosphere around the bowl of milk and cereal into the milk and cereal mixture warming it up.
@jbartus Heat is involved with everything. But cooking requires an external heat source. EXTERNAL!!!!!!!!! And ambient air doesn't count. Letting ice cream melt is not cooking.
@jbartus And now I'm filling a bowl with ice cream and it's YOUR FAULT!
@sammydog01 That sounds to me like you're telling @jbartus "thank you."
@joelmw @jbartus @sammydog01
It depends on what kind of ice cream, and if there are any toppings added.
@sammydog01 why doesn't ambient air count? What if my kitchen table is near my stove and a loaf of bread is baking and heat is radiating out from the stove and warming my cereal at an accelerated pace? Why isn't letting ice cream melt cooking? Some people don't like solid ice cream and intentionally let it melt to suit their preference. Isn't that all cooking is, getting food into a particular state that suits one's preferences? Most food actually loses nutrients and such throughout the cooking process so there's little biological imperative behind it.
@joelmw it does, doesn't it?
@FroodyFrog why so picky?!
@jbartus
It's called being meticulous.
@FroodyFrog Chocolate almond chip with marshmallow topping if you must know
@sammydog01 now I want ice cream.
@jbartus It was really good too.
@FroodyFrog @sammydog01 @jbartus If you add syrup & toppings to the ice cream, does it become a salad?
A dessert salad!
@compunaut @sammydog01 @jbartus
Hmmm....
I suppose it would sort of be similar to the category of a salad...
HOWEVER...
It wouldn't be around long enough to carefully analyze ;)
@compunaut definitely, even @FroodyFrog had to concede that.
Since ice cream can be a salad, clearly cereal can be a soup! #Winning
@jbartus It does. And the fact is that allowing something to stand at room temperature, or sit in the sun or in proximity to a warm oven is a necessary step in the cooking of certain foods.
One of my brothers is a professional chef (and the other was and has an amazing capacity to construct a dish based simply on having tasted it)--and I mean the fancy-restaurant kind. Yeah, I know, that doesn't necessarily mean that I have any authority. But I wanted to say it anyway. So, yeah, I've been around people who know how to do with the food. They learned me some good shit.
And, again, it's science. There are chemical processes and exo- and endothermic reactions occurring. That's cooking.
Alton knows.
@jbartus I've noticed that you and I agree on a lot, my friend. I don't think I realized before how wise you are.
@joelmw True wisdom comes to each of us when we realize how little we understand about life, ourselves, and the world around us.
Yesterday, the definition of cooking required application of direct heat. Today, we have brought that definition into question. Tomorrow, perhaps the unheated foods of this world like Ice Cream, Salad, and Cereal will be officially recognized as being cooked by the dictionaries as they come into enlightenment.
As for your point about heat-free cooking, I absolutely agree. The idea that direct heat application is necessary to the cooking process is crazy, there are many instances in cooking where you allow a dish to rest, or when baking bread where proofing and allowing the dough to rise properly is essential to the process.
@joelmw You are both together in you wrongness.
@sammydog01 I agree . . . if by "wrongness" you mean "correctness." But that's just weird.
@joelmw I’m reading this conversation a month after it happened, but a comment is necessary.
As I began to read, I was getting a little sad. I began to doubt that anyone would give the right answer. And then the clouds parted and the angels sang as a beam of light enveloped your beautiful response. The world was not without hope.
The grainy (cereal-y) stuff in the box is just “cereal”. When you combine it with milk to make something new, you’re making a simple soup. Many soups are cold. Many soups are simple. Cereal soup is probably the most common of them all.
And cooking is absolutely about chemical process. Heat just happens to be a common and efficient means of cooking.
Anyway, what I really wanted to say was… that’s my dad. We’re related. (And he’s right.)
Cereal probably not but oatmeal... That's the real question.
@DrunkCat Unless it's mason jar overnight oatmeal
@DrunkCat I like to warm up my grapenuts. Which are neither grapes nor nuts.
Cereal is bread that we sucked the life out of, then sadly attempt to re-hydrate for breakfast, or a terrible midnight snack.
Cereal is a shitty sandwich.
@Thumperchick
Enjoy:
@Thumperchick
I can't let this stand.
So what consensus did we all agree on with our levelheaded debate and logical deductions?
@mikey
Where have you seen logical deductions? ;)
@mikey I think this was a fun topic.
@FroodyFrog right next to the level-headed debate.
@mikey We don't need no bloody consensuses around here! I think we can all agree on that.
As to what we've learned: "Never have dinner with the Meh staff unless you want cereal for every course."
@hollboll @dave @snapster Please tell me you're going to use this as an interview question for Mediocre now.
@dashcloud adding it to my list for sure.
P.S. Chili isn't soup, either.
Cereal is not a soup because nobody calls it soup.
@awk I think you've just proven yourself wrong--and/or this thread has.
@awk conformist!
@jbartus But.. conformity is how language works!
@awk Until someone badass like Shakespeare comes along.
@awk Correct! A tree is a tree because we all agree that the word “tree” has meaning.
It's a type of Gruel.
@spacezorro gruel is cereal that's been boiled
Is it a grain based chowder? If so then soup...
Forget about all that shit. I, for one, refuse to acknowledge that warm oatmeal as a "cereal".
@medz BTW, I blame you that there are chowderheads (
) here who won't acknowledge that cereal is soup. I almost forgot that this is all your fault.
@medz it's all your fault. Also oatmeal would rightly be defined as either a gruel or possibly a cereal stew.
@medz eww... oatmeal.
@carl669 Winner gif.
According to goatcat cheerios is a toy.
Cheerios is cereal thus
Cereal is a toy.
Solved by logic.
@Kidsandliz No, I think that means that toys are soup.
@sligett Only if goatcat buries the toy in soup
Was this debate ever resolved?
@FroodyFrog yes. cereal is a soup. so say we all.
@carl669 I maintain it’s a sandwich.
@Thumperchick And I think if it has sugar and fruit, it’s pie.
@FroodyFrog what about our
cerealsoup?@jbartus
?
@FroodyFrog no
cerealsoup?@jbartus
@FroodyFrog … I hate you people and your deleting comments after I reply to them.
@jbartus
Are you confusing me with @mfladd?
I’m the pleasant looking one.
@FroodyFrog I am not confused, just annoyed.
@FroodyFrog
@mfladd
You’re just jealous.
TL;DR
did you know steel cut oats are better for you than count chockula or cap’n crunch, or instant oats?
no?
get some steel cut oats, or irish oats (or there’s one more name for them), put 1 portion - let’s say 1/4 c - and 3 portions milk - let’s say 3/4 c - or other preferred liquid (vodka?) into a container
heat it up until it bubbles, then turn it off right away
throw some raisins or chocolate chips or almonds (or whatever) into it
let it sit for a minute
Oatemeal/healthy style!
@Yoda_Daenerys oatmeal is not soup.
@jbartus depends on the oats to milk ratio, and what you add to it
i mean, throw in some celery, a little onion, carrots, some sweet potato or yams, oregano, bay leaf, cumin
BAM! soup
@Yoda_Daenerys sounds revolting.
@jbartus You are right. It is not soup. It is glue.
@Kidsandliz you could probably use it to hang wallpaper or something for sure.
@jbartus @kidsandliz y’all crack me up
@Yoda_Daenerys @jbartus better eat some oatmeal then so you don’t crack up like Humpty Dumpty.
@Kidsandliz @Yoda_Daenerys
I’m still not convinced Humpty Dumpty was an egg.
@TickledLizard He wasn’t, he was King Richard III of England
/giphy falling off horse
@Kidsandliz i prefer to eat wallpaper paste, spank you very much
@Yoda_Daenerys
I found stuff to disprove the connection.
@TickledLizard it’s only a model
@Yoda_Daenerys
So is this guy:
@TickledLizard i’m trying to figure out how you hacked into my personal selfie collection, because LastPass
@Yoda_Daenerys
/giphy Thank you, Captain Obvious
@Thumperchick to which post are you responding, so i can compose an appropriate retort?
@Yoda_Daenerys I liked the idea of steel cut oats but found them too broken down for me. I like whole oats, cooked with just enough water to soften them but not to make them sticky or gooey. Add butter, milk, coconut sugar, dried fruit and pecans.
** ctrl+f “if you try” to make sure joke hasn’t already been said **
Anything’s soup if you try hard enough.
Nice joke, VanSlater.
/giphy nice soup joke
Saying cereal is a soup is like saying a quesadilla is a sandwich or a dresser is a filing cabinet. It’s something different but they share similar characteristics.
@okeefen
/image quesadilla sandwich
/image dresser for a filing cabinet
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@okeefen My dressers are vintage Globe-Wernecke filing cabinets with cedar covering the bottoms of the drawers.