Impeachment of Irk ( what happens)
7Ok I know this is a fraught subject. I however am having some questions about the process. Perhaps some Meh folks understand it better and can help me understand.
Theoretically let’s put the parties as yellow and green and President Irk.
What is the process? What do I have wrong?
- President Irk does something against the law like keeping batteries not in fridge
- The house finds out some of this and launches an impeachment investigation
- They investigate and then if find it sever enough draft articles of impeachment
3a anything else before Senate?? - Then it goes before the Senate and the senators act like a giant jury and the head of the supreme court is somehow involved??? What is effect if not guilty?
- So let’s assume Irk gets found guilty. What happens next?
Does he get removed? Does vice president Glenn get to be president? What if VP semi guilty too? - If Irk is impeached and he is the yellow party candidate after the primary what happens can the yellow party put a different candidate up or what happens?
- Does president Irk go to jail?
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Nobody’s going to jail, nobody is getting fired.
What if it’s just a big circle-jerk tit-for-tat to distract us?
What if a prior Yellow party president, oh…lets call him President Cill Blinton WAS brought up for impeachment by the House (actually happened, it was for for “high crimes and misdemeanors”) and ever since the Yellow party folks have been pissy about it.
Cill Blinton never went to jail, never was removed, nothing. Life went on, the saxophones kept playing.
The Yellow party people have been repeatedly having hearings and attendant “press conferences” to give a false impression that President Irk is in imminent danger of removal from office. The Green party people most likely would be doing exactly the same under reversed circumstances.
Meanwhile, both the Green Party and the Yellow party politicians get a different retirement and health care from the rest of us poor mehtizens. They squander so much money even they themselves can’t tell us how much.
But amazingly, they can work together to make sure any sort of an independent Purple party will never get a seat at their feast of greed and corruption.
I predict this thread is going to turn into a shit show.
@therealjrn They also work together to make sure that their parachutes are golden and stay that way, even if they have thrown the rest of the mehtizens under the bus.
@Kidsandliz @therealjrn
Which sux since @Barney would make a great leader.
@therealjrn Someone is NOT paying attention to facts.
@kdemo
I don’t know what that means.
It started out to be fun, but some posters couldn’t keep, couldn’t help themselves, from expressing their specific political views.
So yeah, I’m not paying attention to any of this thread.
I think it is a shit show to distract us from something, I just don’t know from what are we to be distracted?
@JnKL the other shit show(s)
I have a podcast episode for you. A guy and a lawyer talk about it: https://overcast.fm/+NXjfkgCEQ
I don’t think it gets fully into the process’s details, but my hazy memory of a couple days ago is that it seemed to do a good job covering the breadth of the current state of things. I enjoyed it, but I like lawyers on podcasts. All that courtroom practice, and a mix of mild sardonicism and utter commitment to the basically technical underpinnings of the legal process… good times.
In short, what happens is, green party, controlling the house, can find President Irk guilty of “high crimes and misdemeanors”, because the house gets to decide what those are, and then the senate gets to decide Irk is not guilty, because the senate is yellow (most likely anyways, I presume).
The difference, from all of the previous, equally high crime and misdemeanorish behavior Irk was committing, him being a very naughty … elf? What is Irk…
Anyways, the difference is all that prior stuff wasn’t smoking gun enough for the more calculating, green-yellowish house members to consider it to be likely to be politically advantageous somewhere around the end of 2020.
“Smoking gun” or, “easily expressed in soundbytes”, maybe. This is, politically, regardless of the underlying reality, maneuvering for 2020. I might have an opinion about Irk and whether he should be… barred from youtube, but nobody wants to get into that here.
@InnocuousFarmer thank you for the info. Also thank you for trying to stay out of the politics and on the process
@CaptAmehrican Seriously though… elf? Some kind of golem? Unnervingly polite orc?
@InnocuousFarmer Irk is a troll. He is a nice one but a troll.
@InnocuousFarmer This made my day.
@InnocuousFarmer All the President’s Lawyers is one of my favorite podcasts. I’m a huge Popehat fanboy. Do you know about Make No Law, his podcast about the 1st Amendment?
@UncleVinny Heard ads for it, but never got around to listening. Guess I’d better give it a shot.
I like to think this is the result of impeachment:
Naturally as soon as I saw this I immediately thought of the Black Mirror episode: “The Waldo Moment.”
/image impeach.
/image I’m peach.
/youtube eat a peach for hours
/giphy peaches
@f00l
I think I want this particular im-peach-ment!
/youtube presidents of the United States of America peaches
Lines of succession:
I have apologized to therealjrn privately.
Apologies to the rest of you. My bad.
The offending post has been removed.
I meant a mild humorous tease. Did not intend bad vibes, to or about anyone
But … I stepped over a tacit understanding, without thinking I was doing so. (lack of functioning brain, as usual).
it caused offense.
I should not have.
I think a Veep would have to be impeached separately from a Pres.
This was an issue during the Nixon years.
Nixon’s pres was in serious jeopardy. And separately, the lawyers found out that Agnew has taken bribes while in Maryland, and that they could prove that people were still carrying bribe bags of cash right into the Veep’s official office as long-term playoffs.
So they had to get rid of Agnew quickly, in case Nixon went down; otherwise you might have “Pres Bribe Machine”, as Agnew was the next in line, and would automatically become Pres in case Nixon resigned.
The formal impeachment process also squeezed them on time; this influenced the deal Agnew was able to get in exchange for his resignation and his guilty pleas.)
There is an excellent podcast on this history. I think it’s called “bagman”.
Is by Rachel Maddow and her staff.
(Maddow has a known non-centrist pov on current politics; she is the biggest news/commentary name on MSNBC.
But I think "/recall that she plays it pretty straight with the verifiable history on this one. She doesn’t lean on ideology much of at all.
Tries to keep clear of that, if I remember - it’s been a while since I listened to the podcast.)
Incidentally, I think there are good podcasts out there on the Nixon and Clinton impeachment podcast processes. Again, the focus, if I remember, is on the history, not on ideology/politics
I don’t remember the podcast name, but Google or a podcast app search ought to find these.
These podcasts do a pretty good job of explain the processes, if I remember. .
3a: The House votes on the drafted articles of impeachment. If a majority approve, then he is considered “impeached”, think of it as similarly to “indicted”. Only then does it proceed to Senate.
The reason this is important is that it gives mehtizens a window into how their particular representatives voted. The green-yellowish representatives must calculate carefully here, only because many mehtizens may be completely tired of the “gotcha” shitshow run by the extreme members of either green or yellow parties who seem to get all the voice, instead of those more green-yellowish folks who tend to have more reason.
Then the Senate does its job as jury, with the Chief Justice presiding over the trial, and determines whether Irk is guilty and therefore subject to removal from office. 2/3 of the Senators must agree that he is guilty to remove him from office. If that does not happen, Irk is “not guilty” and nothing happens other than a bunch of nonsense cable news cycles relitigating the issue in the public eye, making a small number of people shedloads of money and making us all weary of the colors yellow and green.
@chuegen, that is a good, Cogent statement of the process in the spirit of the OP, thank you.
@CaptAmehrican:
if Pres.Irk is convicted, and thereby removed from office, the normal order of succession would apply, so VP Glenn would now be the president.
if the house felt he was also involved, and he didn’t resign on his own (like Nixon did, He quit before they could impeach him), they would have to start proceedings against Pres. Glenn., if he’s convicted, the next in line would be speaker Hiram.
further reading:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment#United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States
@earlyre Yes, with one correction- in the above were talking about the VP succeeding an impeached and removed president, and then you used the name Nixon, however I believe you meant to say Agnew- and you were correct that he did resign to avoid being tried in criminal court- however he did write a letter on 9/25/73 asking the Speaker of the House to impeach him to avoid having to face being indicted for bribery and extortion. The House declined to do so- leading him to eventually resign and take a generous plea bargain.
http://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/rachel-maddow-show/2019-09-25
@PhysAssist no. while i appreciate that historical tidbit, I didn’t mean Agnew. he never even entered my thought process.
President Richard Nixon resigned before he could be impeached.
@earlyre Sorry, I misunderstood because you were talking about VP Glenn’s possibly culpability- which as it did Agnew, could have caused him to resign to avoid [eventual] impeachment.
The im-peach-ment we can all get behind:
Is actually a decent description in between humour