@rockblossom Holy macaroni. I got deer coming out the ears here. I just moved and the house behind me is the very last house at the base of a mountain. Deer are here every day. They’ve eaten most of my landscaping and I practically have to jump on their back to get them to leave. I thought I had a lot when I lived in the forest but man… they’re constantly here. They’re cute but I’m about over it now.
@lseeber@RiotDemon My place is overrun with deer year round. They laugh at repellents. And fences. A few years ago, I had a young doe who developed such a taster for the repellant I was using on the roses that she would follow me around so she could get them while the freshly sprayed repellent was still wet. The good thing about the deer is that, unlike raccoons, they don’t try to get inside the house.
@RiotDemon Yeah… Getting some but, most around here say there’s a certain type they use that works best (sort of a liquid fence) but you have to be very diligent about keeping it fresh but it still only works just so well. And, come spring I’m going to be replanting a lot of things with stuff they (hopefully) don’t enjoy so much.
@tnhillbillygal 'bout the same here but prob a bit more than you since I’m a little more south. One yr… don’t recall which name hurricane it was (I think it was in '95 or '96, thought we were far enough north and inland but we got torrents of rain, limbs down and the lower level of my brand new house…on a hill… flooded.
@Kidsandliz 8:20am and still raining. My yard (and septic field) are saturated. The pecan tree is pretty much a pecanless tree now. Having gone through Ivan, Katrina, and all the others before and after, I would agree that we were overall lucky with Gordon.
Florence is coming. The weekend place is on the Chesapeake Bay and flooding could be terrible. The storm is projected to stall over our house with 10 plus inches of rain. Be prepared for power outages and flooding they say.
I own two Maglights and went on a flashlight roundup. No big maglights but I did find a few off brands.
@RiotDemon Yeah I agree she doesn’t quite enough. My sister (who has been known to say that a woman can never own too many flashlights) has far more flashlights and more batteries than @sammydog01 does. My sister says she still needs more (so I obliged with the recent meh windup battery sale - happy birthday sister ).
Yikes - stall over the Chesapeake? The north or south end (haven’t seen the projections)? My cousin lives (full time) on bay front property, not all that elevated, on the north end of MD’s eastern shore.
I hope you are elevated enough not to get your own private lake in your livingroom. You planning to move stuff all to your top floor or do you have a ranch? Good luck staying dry.
@OldCatLady We’re inland far enough that our problem will be flooding. I bought the last D batteries this morning and bottled water supplies are running low. The news stations are telling everyone to PANIC!!! Not helpful, guys.
@sammydog01 You might want to order a couple of Luci solar LED lanterns, the clear ones. The light they give is incredibly bright, and they last about 16 hours on a charge, in my house. Next day, stick them outside to recharge. I love mine.
@Kidsandliz@RiotDemon@sammydog01 The eastern shore has already dealt with 5 straight days of rain with more coming. Water levels are already high. The ES cannot handle large quantities of rain w/o homes/areas becoming completely flooded. I leave for Miami on wed., but luckily my house has no flooding concerns.
I don’t know if I will get back from Miami on Fri. though - something tells me I might get stuck in Charlotte if the storm is raging then. Who knows if I will ever get out of PHL on wed. (that airport is a nightmare with even the slightest adverse weather).
@OldCatLady I think it is the folks in Sandbridge that will be in even greater trouble than most of VAbeach since when I lived in Newport News, there was one storm where pretty much a good chunk of Sandbridge - especially that southern bit that is about 2 roads wide - was essentially all underwater with salt water and was then part of the Atlantic Ocean or Back Bay depending on your point of view. Although there are parts of Norfolk that are in trouble even in an especially high tide or heavy rain. And Poquoson - that is drained swamp and I think even in a class 2 hurricane only about 3 blocks there would be not flooded.
A friend’s family owns a marina on Willoughby Spit right where the hampton roads bridge tunnel starts (which was created by a hurricane so why people expect that to be permanent land I do not know - it is essentially a primary sand dune which by definition isn’t permanent) and frequently the boat launch and parking lot to get into the “bay” side of that spit was underwater just with normal rains or normal really high tides.
The Navy base on the other side of that little inlet is going to have fun too. That piece of land is no higher. I read (when I lived in Newport News) that with a class 5 hurricane the only bit of land in the entire area that would be above water are the piles of dirt over the end stations of the electronic beam accelerator.
Fortunately when I lived there I was pretty high above the James River in the old shipyard public housing district (now historic district) so being one of the highest points of land, lightening strikes were a risk. My house, while I was in it, was swallowed by a lightening ball (waterspout that hit land touched down in the yard immediately behind me and damaged 10 houses). The tree in the front yard had burn marks from being hit multiple times…
That entire area is going to be struggling with a bunch of rain. And a bunch of other places up the bay and on the eastern shore too.
@OldCatLady I went to Virginia Beach for a concert last week. Hope your friends are OK. I checked out that light and wound up buying a collapsible solar lantern from Best Buy. Haha, frenzied shoppers, you didn’t think to look for lighting in Best Buy, did you? Target, on the other hand, is scary today.
@Kidsandliz The only two airports that would get me to my destination run thru PHL and CHT without having 2 stops in between. In fact, the flight I am on was the only one that came up at all, booking the return flight. I have certain time and expense guidelines I have to follow with work flights.
Such is the life, with a tiny destination airport.
@mfladd Well then stock up on food TSA won’t take from you, a pillow and blanket and hunker down by an outlet to monopolize it (or if you are kind bring a multiplug extension cord) so you can keep things charged. In all seriousness - hope you aren’t held up too long.
@f00l@sammydog01 As far as I’m aware, we’re still a long way from either ocean…Unless there’s something you know about impending rising waters overnight that I don’t know…(You’re still welcome to visit though…)
@tohar1 you are near the great lakes which empty into the ocean. All they need to do is spread barely a state over. And MN is full of mini great lakes. The entire thing could become a giant lake new ocean front inside a huge bay. Nuf said.
@tohar1 Not to worry - you could be covered in glaciers if the tin foil hat gang are right that there is no global warming, never mind that you are in the ash blast radius if the super volcano goes off in Yosemite. Better stock up now.
@tohar1 As an aside on tin foil hats…on a cancer list we were discussing the big bag pharma conspiracy theory only for big profits, poison you bullshit so cure cancer by drinking carrot juice, pot oil, etc. and I commented that the tin foil hat gang needs to adjust their hats to pick up the science based treatment station instead of the “natural and alternative” station… gotta love fools who only selectively believe science is real. Umm… just like gravity, science works all the time, not just when you want it to. I’d love to be able to suspend the laws of gravity when needed - like when I trip on something.
@Kidsandliz@tohar1 I’m not part of the tinfoil hat crowd, and wouldn’t recommend attempting to cure cancer with dilluted wasp venom or whatever over accepting standard medical treatments.
However, I do believe there is a huge gap between acknowledging the existence of gravity and blindly trusting modern medical practices.
Science is done by people and people are flawed.
Medical research is done on humans, and the more humans get in the mix, the more difficult things become.
It’s relatively easy to isolate variables when you’re studying Physics or Chemistry. It’s way harder when you’re studying living things-- especially when those living things are humans and have rights and aren’t being kept in a perfectly controlled lab environment.
It also doesn’t help things too much that medical doctors tend to not be that great at math.
Another confounding factor is the very real attitude within the medical community that they need to make decisions for the greater good of society. That’s not science. That’s social engineering.
My point is, simply, that it’s not really tinfoil hat territory, or even an anti-science position, to have some amount of skepticism about current medical practices and the policies. It doesn’t have to be a grand conspiracy to be questionable.
@Kidsandliz@Limewater Agree wholeheartedly with you. There’s a lot of knowledge out there & perhaps even more knowledge out there to discover. I wouldn’t completely discount diluted wasp venom, pot oil, or carrot juice, it’s just not what I would choose if ever diagnosed. Besides we have an awesome, world renowned cancer hospital (Roger Maris Cancer Center) right here in Fargo. They are doing some amazing things to fight the cancer demon as well as provide both longevity & quality of life to those being treated. They are big into clinical trials & have conducted some of these trials on “alternative” supplements/treatments. I know a few people up there & they are often surprised by the results of these trials. If not a direct treatment, they might learn something that leads them in another direction to try a different course of action.
@Limewater@tohar1 The key is though using science to decide if any of the “alternative” approaches have any merit. As someone said, if there is science behind its efficacy then it is mainstream medicine, if not then it is “alternative medicine”.
@Limewater@tohar1 Fortunately it is researchers, not all practice based medical doctors who do most of the research in medicine, only some are “just” MD’s. Lots of the folks on the research teams have PhD’s and some have both. That some doctors are not good in math is irrelevant since most doctors do not do this kind of research and those that do generally have a research team that includes those with PhD’s who are generally pretty good at math, statistics, research methods, etc.
Typically stuff first gets tested in cultures or on mouse (or other) animals, then if things pan out there, on human tissue (if they didn’t start there), then and only then, if things seem promising, clinical trials (which have a number of ‘stages’ which look at things like safety, dosage, range of outcomes, side effects, and etc. - after a drug is approved they still collect info on side effects although that is more haphazard).
Roughly 2-3 of every 100 “looks like a promising idea” turns into an actual drug that survives the process and is useful. Not every drug in a clinical trial pans out either since humans aren’t mice.
These days drug research and development is also done via start ups, paid for by venture capitalists. Thus once/IF a drug survives the early part of the process and drug company buys the startup aruond the time they are ready to move on to a clinical trial, and does the clinical trial (since it is expensive to do and requires a fair bit of infrastructure - drug companies both have the money and the infrastructure to do this is already in place, more cost effective for the established pharma companies to do it this way too).
If the drug turns out to be one of the failures (before it is even ready for a clinical trial) it doesn’t get bought and the pharma companies save money because it isn’t their failure. If it looks like it is ready for a clinical trial it usually gets bought and the failure rate at this point of the process is much lower so it is less of a risk than developing their own drugs. Of course phamas do their own R&D because you can’t just rely on “outsourcing” to develop everything where there is a need.
So while people are flawed, the process can be flawed, for the most part what goes on is pretty credible, enough things fail during the process that we are protected from a fair bit of “bad stuff”, and this system is far better than relying on testimonials or outright snake oil.
@Kidsandliz@tohar1 That is an oversimplification. I’m not going to defend alternative medicine, but there is a non-trivial subset of mainstream medical practices that persists for various reasons but lacks scientific justification. These things persist due to cultural and social pressures, fear of lawsuits, intertia, and who knows what else.
@therealjrn Not without looking (and I am packing to move in a couple of weeks) but when I taught strategy there was a pharma case that included it with a citation. They are talking about basic research, this idea is worth looking into further for that 100 number, not drugs that made it to the clinical trial stage for that 100 number. Sometimes there are major clinical trial failures - one that was a late stage 3 major failure which was incredibly expensive to the phama company, but the odds are much better once something makes it to clinical trials. The harder part with clinical trials is rounding up enough patients to have enough statistical power blah blah blah. On the one hand many kids with leukemia participate in one, and few adults with blood cancers do… Very uneven participation rates.
@tohar1 the purpose of my comment in the context I use it is to try to convince people that you can’t just selectively “believe in science” and that snake oil has no science behind it. For example if you believe the science based recommendations that (with breast cancer) that a lumpectomy + radiation = mastectomy and that a sentinel node biopsy = take them all out. Then why do you not believe the science behind chemo? That most kids with leukemia died and now most of them live due to science based treatments is an indication that science principles don’t change just because it is chemo… blah blah blah - those are the folks I aimed that gravity/science comment at.
They changed the projected path of the storm yesterday morning so instead of tropical storm force winds and 2 feet of water we expect gusts and 6 inches. Good for us, bad for North Carolina.
Meanwhile, this morning at the grocery store,
You guys know that bread you bought yesterday will be moldy before the storm blows out, right?
@sammydog01 exactly. I buy stuff that I don’t mind eating afterwards. Gas was annoying to get here last hurricane. Gas cans got crazy expensive too. They have all these new regulations so not only did the price go up, they take forever to empty with the new nozzle.
My brother brought me all the gas cans he had so now I have around 13 gal reserve. Also filled the car and generator right before. Should look for more gas cans…
@RiotDemon If you don’t find more gas cans now, stock up on them once the prices go back down… I know that won’t help now, but you said “the last time”… so I presume there is a good risk you will have a re-run sometime in the future.
@RiotDemon@sammydog01 The “new” regulations are at least six years old, but yeah, the new gas cans are a problem.
A couple of weeks ago, I stopped to help two ladies stuck on the side of the road. One of them had run out of gas, and the other had brought her a full two-gallon can.
However, neither of them could actually figure out how to work the nozzle. When I walked up, they had attempted to fashion a funnel out of a plastic cup, and were trying to pour into it directly from the can with no nozzle.
Needless to say, a lot of gasoline was just running down the side of the vehicle.
I’m really curious if the EPA has done any sort of follow-up study on those new cans to see if there really is any benefit to using them.
@Limewater@RiotDemon@sammydog01@therealjrn I buy a lot of stuff from our local Army surplus store including fuel cans shown above & the old ammo boxes (Great storage for nearly anything… They are secure, almost water-proof, and very durable!)
@RiotDemon@sammydog01 When I buy gas that may be stored for months, I always go to an “Ethanol-free” station.
There’s a few near me and if you check the internet, something like https://www.pure-gas.org/, you may find gas that won’t go bad in a month or so.
I also add a little fuel stabilizer to the can.
The old jerry cans are nice to store gas, a pain to pour from due to their size.
One handy device I’ve used a few times is a ‘shaker siphon hose’. Got it at Amazon. That thing really works to transfer fuel from one place to another fairly quickly. I’ve also used it to empty gas tanks to store equipment over the winter.
Interesting map. Technically to show climate change - however you can set the water level rise up to 10’ and see what is projected to be underwater. You can get it down to the street level by enlarging enough.
Thought some of you in flood zones for this current hurricane mess might want to what will happen with up to 10’ of water flooding. I checked out a couple of my relatives at different water levels to see if they’d likely be dry under higher sea. This WILL NOT account for rain run off, rather where the ocean will end up if the ocean floods land 2’ deep or 6’ deep or 10’ deep or whatever.
@therealjrn So if you don’t you can still use it to see what will be underwater if the ocean was 1-10 feet higher - good for figuring out ocean flooding for this hurricane. Of course your tin foil hat won’t pick up any stations when all the power goes out.
Does make you wonder though how much of what else we see is pretending. I still remember when Dan Rather was in front of a green screen pretending to be in the hurricane path. I think someone forgot to turn on the fans and mess up his perfect hair to match the background.
@therealjrn following the comments on that twitter thread there is another one of some reporter hanging on to a porch rail being blown back and forth and two young girls are walking down the street texting and waved hi to the camera. Then they have yet another one of two reporters on their knees in the water to show it is deep except the photos of the camera people and the entire scene show otherwise. Sheesh.
@therealjrn Yeah. We’ve noticed the same thing.
The Weather Channel dude is standing in 3’ of water. In the background people walk by casually on the sidewalk. He’s in a flooded parking lot…
Also saw the reporters hanging on and for dear life and screaming while people walk by…
They aren’t helping anything by faking their news.
@sammydog01 A quarter mile? That’s a little too close for me. I was going to get my Mom a storm shelter one Christmas awhile back. But thankfully she was honest and told me claustrophobia would keep her from using it. All my life, I never knew that about my Mom…but she saved me some serious cash that day!
Some years ago I interviewed to work at the university in Panama City. Makes me glad now I didn’t get that job. The department chair, at the time, was living on a houseboat in the harbor. If he still works there I hope his boat/home didn’t sink and that chose not to stay on it during the storm.
If people live on the coast for some years or decades, and have some sense and caution, and pay attention to storm evacuate orders, and understand the sea and storms a little bit, then over time, they learn how to deal with being as safe as one can be. At least the non-@f00l(s) learn.
I don’t know about houseboats per se. But my cousin is into watergoing lifestyles to a degree (as much as he can be, his work and life are mostly land-based), and owns (and sometimes lives on) a boat.
He says that if one prepares properly, one’s boat might be safer than one’s house in a hurricane:
(Since your house prob does not float. And can’t move out of the way of storm surges and flooding).
(You would know more about this waterborne big storm risk by far than most of the rest of us tho)
Panama City can be an great area to live in. I would not turn down an attractive job offer there if I ever got one.
They just issued a tornado watch here. The tornado watch after Florence turned into a tornado warning shit show with kids locked down in schools until 6 and an f1 tearing a roof off a church a few blocks from my kids school. My daughter was sheltering in a library with multistory plate glass windows and only one storage room that wasn’t big enough for everyone.
The other schools are all letting out early and I hope ours does the same. The kids are probably already panicking.