Product: Homedics Ozone Clean Multipurpose Cleaner
Model: V37559012
Condition: New
3-in-1 Multipurpose Cleaner: Sanitize, deodorize, and clean any non-porous surface in as little as 2 minutes with basic tap water, reducing germs without harmful chemicals
Superior Eco-Friendly Sanitizing: All natural and safe to use around children and pets, perfect for sanitizing surfaces in your home, office, or while traveling
Portable & Practical: Conveniently fits on your desk, nightstand, dresser, coffee table, or in the car, and easily stores in your purse, backpack, gym bag, diaper bag, or travel suitcase
Less Waste: Aqueous ozone is generated from tap water, providing a powerful, environmentally friendly clean every time, eliminating the need for messy wipes and sprays, and can be refilled and reused endlessly
Fake as heck, please don’t sell stuff like this. Oxi-Clean powder (sodium percarbonate generic active ingredient) mixed with water is the real version of this. Alternatively, the bottles that turn salt water into bleach with electricity at least do something real, even though Chlorine bleach is a lot harsher to surfaces and lungs than hydrogen peroxide.
@Alereon
[Talking about the latter, not this product]
FWIW I’ve been using a Force of Nature (dumb name) cleaner for years now, and I haven’t had any issues with surfaces.
@Alereon Ozone generation from water is easy. And ozone is a disinfectant. So it’s not “fake”.
The problem IMO is that aqueous ozone has a half life measured in minutes, so this reverts back to plain water very quickly. This is a use-it-or-lose-it product.
@jamesmcp Late to this, but it’s not possible to generate Ozone from water. Electrolysis of water produces Hydrogen (H2) and Oxygen (O2) gas. It’s possible to produce Ozone as well as other toxic gasses from air, but this is a bad thing, and is why ion generators, UV air sanitizers, and other sketchy products that make toxic Ozone are banned by law.
Water is H20. Electrolysis breaks that down to H2 plus mono-atomic 0 which really wants to bond with other 0 into stable 02.
Since the breakdown happens at the individual electrodes, one electrode produces pure H2, the other pure 02. Which means if you add a
secondary set of electrodes that are high voltage in the 02 chamber you can turn three 02 molecules into two 03 molecules. Then bubble that into the water and Bob’s your uncle.
Ozone generators are far from banned. They are widely used in water treatment, industrial processes, and some medical uses. I personally visited at least two water treatment facilities that had ozone disinfectors.
Ozone is an irritant and highly reactive, so there are rules around exposure to airborn ozone. Ozone in water, however, is safe enough to drink, at least to us multicellular creatures. Single-celled life is hosed as they don’t have protective dermal layer.
@Alereon@jamesmcp Curious as to what law(s) ban the sale or operation of ozone generators and/or ionic air purifiers that produce low (read: safe) levels of ozone as a byproduct. I’ve been using the Sharper Image Ionic Breeze Quadra units of yore for decades now and they definitely remove crud from the air…it’s all over the collection grids every time I clean them monthly. As far as I am presently aware, there are no regulations limiting or prohibiting the sale or use of such devices in the United States, though some people and groups claim they are hazardous to your health.
EDIT: UV sterilization in particular is also most certainly not ‘sketchy’ and is proven science that is used by hospitals and laboratories the world over.
@AaronLeeJohnson High voltage electricity turns O2 to O3. They bubble that into the water to make a solution of H2O + O3. Ozone is highly reactive, essentially “burning” things it encounters. (Oxidizing)
But O3 in water turns back to O2 very quickly (2x O3 => 3x O2) with a half life of minutes so it loses potency very quickly.
@thechooz ozone does break down organics. Problem is we’re organic too and ozone causes damage to us too. If this really produces enough ozone I’m sure it will kill bacteria and viruses, I’m just not sure how safe it is for us, heck too much ozone could be worse than occasionally smoking.
Ozone, great in the upper atmosphere where it protects us from certain suns rays, terrible for life near the earths surface.
Ozone contained in water is pretty safe. The water is a buffer for us macroscopic things and causes ozone to be short lived.
Atmospheric ozone can last for days. If that gets in your lungs it can do a ton of damage. If Aqueous ozone gets in your lungs the ozone won’t do much. You’ll drown, but your lungs won’t be oxidized.
If this produced enough “aqueous ozone” to do what it claimed, it would have some of the same hazards as things like peroxide. Peroxide, chlorine bleach, and ozone all work on the same principle, they have a molecule with an extra oxygen atom in it, that is released to react with other things. If it breaks down cell walls of the bad things, it’s going to break down the cell walls of your skin for example, bleach surfaces, etc.
Sure it’s used in water treatment, but it’s gone before it gets to your house.
Second, unlike bleach or peroxide, ozone in water has a half life measured in minutes. The majority of the ozone will decompose to normal oxygen, ceasing to be effective in minutes or hours.
This is why it’s not dangerous to people the way airborne ozone is, which has a lifespan of hours to weeks.
So…this can work but it goes “stale” very quickly so you need to use it right after making it.
• Spray surface until thoroughly wet and allow ozonated water to sit for 30 seconds. Surface should remain visibly wet during this 30-second period.
• For best results, spray within 30 minutes of ozone generation.
• Allow ozonated water to sit on surface or object for 30 seconds to kill up to 99.9% of bacteria and viruses.
• Allow ozonated water to sit on surface or object for1 minute to kill up to 99.999% of bacteria and viruses.
• Only tap water should be used in this product. It will not function properly with distilled or purified water.
@jamesmcp@rpstrong
Many of the sanitizing wipes commonly used in medical facilities have instructions that call for 5 minute wet contact! I have rarely seen that happen (except for when I do it).
So if your drinking water is contaminated due to a natural disaster you can treat it. At least for bacteria and maybe a virus? Seems like a good way to purify water in an emergency?
@tkocka
I have a UV-C based iradiation cup that I use when camping. Kills the bacteria & viruses, but doesn’t remove any particulates. Filtration through a coffee filter takes care of that part. Handy Gizmo for your bug-out bag.
Been using ozone for years, have an ozone maker, ozonate olive oil, too. If this works, it’s great idea. Integrative MD’s even ozonate ur own blood. When you see it done, it goes in dark red and comes out bright red. It’s used for many health issues. IDK if this puts it in the air at all, but the ozone maker we use for olive oil has to run for days and goes into the air and will dry out anything leather and rubber. Has to be vented or done outside. 2 minutes for this product sounds good. You’ll def be able to smell the ozone if it works. Tempted to try it.
@chienfou I did it for medical use, (organic olive oil only), it gets a white, thick, gooey consistency. You can use it on your skin but we put it in capsules. Messy job. But I still have some capsules that I made over 20 years ago that are still pure white. Some turned yellowish, which I tossed. I used them whenever I did liver flushes ala Dr Hulda Clark. I never experimented ozonating olive oil short term to see if it lasts any longer. If I recall in Hulda’s book, she might have said to ozonate the oil for 20 minutes right before doing the flush.
@Kyeh Kind of, it purifies the blood. It’s caustic if done repeatedly, so be careful if you find someone to do it. It ruined a vein in my arm. But it was working for a virus until that happened and I had to stop. https://ozonetherapy101.com/ozone-therapy/everything-you-need-to-know-about-blood-ozone-therapy/ JMHO, I think Dr Kalcker’s methods with Chlorine Dioxide is all you need for just about everything. AND, it purifies water, no electricity.
When I saw the email I thought this would be one of those nice spray bottles that has the little bag inside and the fine mist. Would have been in for a couple. This nonsense though?
Although I am actually curious about whether it would be possible to add ozone as an active agent to an existing and readily available all-purpose cleaner spray, I am not sufficiently adventurous, nor sufficiently knowledgeable about the chemistry of interaction that might be involved, to want to experiment with that. On the other hand, I know an underemployed chemical engineer who might. Hmm.
@werehatrack ozone breaks down in water VERY fast. It has a half life measured in minutes. Meaning 24 hours after you make it, only 0.0000000000000000000000001% is left.
Absolutely no way to commercialize anything other than ozone generators like this one.
Can confirm about the price of aqueous ozone dispensers. We bought one at the outset of the pandemic (the only brand available at the time), and it was over $100. But it did have a larger capacity than this one. And yes, it’s accepted science. Aqueous ozone has been used in industrial settings for decades.
Have an ozone generator but this looks convenient for the intended uses esp. for rinsing off produce. I have never done a slash thing here but will give it a go:
@algae1221 Because ozone decomposes so quickly in water, its going to be safer to use in septic systems than other cleaning chemicals. Yay living in the country!
I remember reading up on this during the pandemic, but like many, was turned off by the price. At this price, I’ll give it a shot. Also, I guess I’m really just trusting the science because it’s not like I’m going swab and petri dish my counter after spraying this.
I keep seeing “spray on any non-porous surface.” However, there are pictures of people spraying dog beds, shoes, plushy chew toys. Are those not porous surfaces? Will it discolor my curtains?
@goldnectar@jamesmcp It’s frequently used in low concentrations to remove the deposited aromatics from items that have taken smoke damage. It often takes 24-72 hours for the ozone to do the job. Obviously, that’s done with a small ozone generator in a sealed, enclosed space, and water is not involved.
I’m planning to find out if the solution generated by this Homedics device can remove that nasty solvent odor often encountered in cotton fabrics from China.
We got one - and are really impressed! My wife became a believer: when she complained about the stink of our curbside trash can, I made a 4-minute batch and sprayed half of into the empty can. Two minutes later - no odor!
Did the same thing on a mattress after our daughter had an accident. This is amazing!
Alas, the sprayer broke a couple days ago. I’m assuming there’s no warranty so I’m looking for a replacement sprayer. The O3 generator is totally functional though. Any suggestions, community?
Specs
Product: Homedics Ozone Clean Multipurpose Cleaner
Model: V37559012
Condition: New
What’s Included?
Price Comparison
$75 at Homedics
$61 at Amazon
Warranty
90 days
Estimated Delivery
Wednesday, Nov 6 - Friday, Nov 8
Good old Home Dics!
@yakkoTDI
@yakkoTDI You know they could be a hooker ambulance crew.
@yakkoTDI Are you trying to tell me they are Ho Medics?
@yakkoTDI Yeah, they bring your TheRapist for house calls!
/buy
@uvassassin It worked! Your order number is: satanic-blackened-joe
/showme satanic blackened joe
@mediocrebot
Okay 'bot… that’s pretty dark
Fake as heck, please don’t sell stuff like this. Oxi-Clean powder (sodium percarbonate generic active ingredient) mixed with water is the real version of this. Alternatively, the bottles that turn salt water into bleach with electricity at least do something real, even though Chlorine bleach is a lot harsher to surfaces and lungs than hydrogen peroxide.
@Alereon
[Talking about the latter, not this product]
FWIW I’ve been using a Force of Nature (dumb name) cleaner for years now, and I haven’t had any issues with surfaces.
@Alereon Ozone generation from water is easy. And ozone is a disinfectant. So it’s not “fake”.
The problem IMO is that aqueous ozone has a half life measured in minutes, so this reverts back to plain water very quickly. This is a use-it-or-lose-it product.
@Alereon @jamesmcp
Here’s an article about that…
@jamesmcp Late to this, but it’s not possible to generate Ozone from water. Electrolysis of water produces Hydrogen (H2) and Oxygen (O2) gas. It’s possible to produce Ozone as well as other toxic gasses from air, but this is a bad thing, and is why ion generators, UV air sanitizers, and other sketchy products that make toxic Ozone are banned by law.
@Alereon
Water is H20. Electrolysis breaks that down to H2 plus mono-atomic 0 which really wants to bond with other 0 into stable 02.
Since the breakdown happens at the individual electrodes, one electrode produces pure H2, the other pure 02. Which means if you add a
secondary set of electrodes that are high voltage in the 02 chamber you can turn three 02 molecules into two 03 molecules. Then bubble that into the water and Bob’s your uncle.
Ozone generators are far from banned. They are widely used in water treatment, industrial processes, and some medical uses. I personally visited at least two water treatment facilities that had ozone disinfectors.
Ozone is an irritant and highly reactive, so there are rules around exposure to airborn ozone. Ozone in water, however, is safe enough to drink, at least to us multicellular creatures. Single-celled life is hosed as they don’t have protective dermal layer.
@Alereon @jamesmcp Curious as to what law(s) ban the sale or operation of ozone generators and/or ionic air purifiers that produce low (read: safe) levels of ozone as a byproduct. I’ve been using the Sharper Image Ionic Breeze Quadra units of yore for decades now and they definitely remove crud from the air…it’s all over the collection grids every time I clean them monthly. As far as I am presently aware, there are no regulations limiting or prohibiting the sale or use of such devices in the United States, though some people and groups claim they are hazardous to your health.
EDIT: UV sterilization in particular is also most certainly not ‘sketchy’ and is proven science that is used by hospitals and laboratories the world over.
@Alereon @jamesmcp You beat me to it! Hahaha
I think I’m more interested in those nice churches and bridges they have for sale over on SideDeal.
I don’t entirely understand how this works, but the part of my brain that likes Gizmos keeps saying “Funny thing good, buy it.”
@AaronLeeJohnson This is a big mood, as the kids say.
@AaronLeeJohnson If the voice in your head talks like a neanderthal, I Think I’d ignore it. It sounds like it’s not too bright.
@AaronLeeJohnson High voltage electricity turns O2 to O3. They bubble that into the water to make a solution of H2O + O3. Ozone is highly reactive, essentially “burning” things it encounters. (Oxidizing)
But O3 in water turns back to O2 very quickly (2x O3 => 3x O2) with a half life of minutes so it loses potency very quickly.
@jamesmcp That actually gave me a much better understanding of what the product is.
@AaronLeeJohnson @jamesmcp
See above listed article for more information about shelf life of NBOW.
@AaronLeeJohnson @jamesmcp They recommend using it within half an hour.
This looks like a hippy tried to convert their water bottle into a bong and created this by mistake.
@Num1Zero
I thot the same thing at first.
Is “sanitoze” the past participle?
@ybmuG I saw that too!
Oops
@robson @ybmuG Well, I definitely don’t want anything to “deordorize” my home. It’s disorderly enough already.
@robson @ybmuG Screenshot just in case some spoilsport goes and ruins our jokes:
@Kyeh @robson dang, I missed that one!
@Kyeh @robson @ybmuG joke has been ruined
@Kyeh @robson @troy I guess this means the copy has been sanitized. Maybe this stuff works better than we thought…
Well, we had a go with it, moving on.
If I put a tea bag in it, will I get my sanitea back?
Mmmmmm, sanitoze
@togle sanitoze: the state of having clean feet
@togle this was all a plot to drive more forum activity
@togle @troy ah, the old “It’s a feature, not a bug”!
@togle @troy @ybmuG
Seems to have succeeded
I saw these during the crazy days of the pandemic.
I just don’t see how it can work
@thechooz ozone does break down organics. Problem is we’re organic too and ozone causes damage to us too. If this really produces enough ozone I’m sure it will kill bacteria and viruses, I’m just not sure how safe it is for us, heck too much ozone could be worse than occasionally smoking.
Ozone, great in the upper atmosphere where it protects us from certain suns rays, terrible for life near the earths surface.
Rubber bands eventually dry out and go brittle. Ozone is the main cause of this. More ozone the faster they become brittle.
@OnionSoup @thechooz
Ozone contained in water is pretty safe. The water is a buffer for us macroscopic things and causes ozone to be short lived.
Atmospheric ozone can last for days. If that gets in your lungs it can do a ton of damage. If Aqueous ozone gets in your lungs the ozone won’t do much. You’ll drown, but your lungs won’t be oxidized.
@OnionSoup
Now THAT is something I can understand.
If this produced enough “aqueous ozone” to do what it claimed, it would have some of the same hazards as things like peroxide. Peroxide, chlorine bleach, and ozone all work on the same principle, they have a molecule with an extra oxygen atom in it, that is released to react with other things. If it breaks down cell walls of the bad things, it’s going to break down the cell walls of your skin for example, bleach surfaces, etc.
Sure it’s used in water treatment, but it’s gone before it gets to your house.
First off sanitize kills bacteria only, disinfect kills bacteria and viruses ( https://www.epa.gov/coronavirus/whats-difference-between-products-disinfect-sanitize-and-clean-surfaces)
Ozone is a disinfectant.
Second, unlike bleach or peroxide, ozone in water has a half life measured in minutes. The majority of the ozone will decompose to normal oxygen, ceasing to be effective in minutes or hours.
This is why it’s not dangerous to people the way airborne ozone is, which has a lifespan of hours to weeks.
So…this can work but it goes “stale” very quickly so you need to use it right after making it.
@jamesmcp From the user’s manual:
• Spray surface until thoroughly wet and allow ozonated water to sit for 30 seconds. Surface should remain visibly wet during this 30-second period.
• For best results, spray within 30 minutes of ozone generation.
• Allow ozonated water to sit on surface or object for 30 seconds to kill up to 99.9% of bacteria and viruses.
• Allow ozonated water to sit on surface or object for1 minute to kill up to 99.999% of bacteria and viruses.
• Only tap water should be used in this product. It will not function properly with distilled or purified water.
@rpstrong
Good to know my water treatment class 30yrs ago wasn’t for nothing.
@jamesmcp @rpstrong
Many of the sanitizing wipes commonly used in medical facilities have instructions that call for 5 minute wet contact! I have rarely seen that happen (except for when I do it).
I just want to know what happens when the ozone gets holes in it?
@beachhead it becomes holy water, duh!
So if your drinking water is contaminated due to a natural disaster you can treat it. At least for bacteria and maybe a virus? Seems like a good way to purify water in an emergency?
@tkocka
I have a UV-C based iradiation cup that I use when camping. Kills the bacteria & viruses, but doesn’t remove any particulates. Filtration through a coffee filter takes care of that part. Handy Gizmo for your bug-out bag.
@tkocka Get Chlorine Dioxide for purifying water.
Been using ozone for years, have an ozone maker, ozonate olive oil, too. If this works, it’s great idea. Integrative MD’s even ozonate ur own blood. When you see it done, it goes in dark red and comes out bright red. It’s used for many health issues. IDK if this puts it in the air at all, but the ozone maker we use for olive oil has to run for days and goes into the air and will dry out anything leather and rubber. Has to be vented or done outside. 2 minutes for this product sounds good. You’ll def be able to smell the ozone if it works. Tempted to try it.
@Felyne
Fascinated by the olive oil oxonator. Does it significantly increase the lifespan of the “ozoned” olive oil?? Or is it a taste thing?
@chienfou I did it for medical use, (organic olive oil only), it gets a white, thick, gooey consistency. You can use it on your skin but we put it in capsules. Messy job. But I still have some capsules that I made over 20 years ago that are still pure white. Some turned yellowish, which I tossed. I used them whenever I did liver flushes ala Dr Hulda Clark. I never experimented ozonating olive oil short term to see if it lasts any longer. If I recall in Hulda’s book, she might have said to ozonate the oil for 20 minutes right before doing the flush.
@Felyne To do your blood, does it work like a dialysis machine?? And what’s the benefit?
@Kyeh Kind of, it purifies the blood. It’s caustic if done repeatedly, so be careful if you find someone to do it. It ruined a vein in my arm. But it was working for a virus until that happened and I had to stop. https://ozonetherapy101.com/ozone-therapy/everything-you-need-to-know-about-blood-ozone-therapy/ JMHO, I think Dr Kalcker’s methods with Chlorine Dioxide is all you need for just about everything. AND, it purifies water, no electricity.
@Felyne Yikes! Thanks for info, I’d never heard of this.
When I saw the email I thought this would be one of those nice spray bottles that has the little bag inside and the fine mist. Would have been in for a couple. This nonsense though?
/giphy fearful-itchy-prank
@indiebass
Hopefully this was staged!
@chienfou @indiebass Otherwise things could escalate.
@indiebass Do neither of them understand “Walk Left, Stand Right”?
@indiebass @werehatrack
/image face palm
Although I am actually curious about whether it would be possible to add ozone as an active agent to an existing and readily available all-purpose cleaner spray, I am not sufficiently adventurous, nor sufficiently knowledgeable about the chemistry of interaction that might be involved, to want to experiment with that. On the other hand, I know an underemployed chemical engineer who might. Hmm.
@werehatrack ozone breaks down in water VERY fast. It has a half life measured in minutes. Meaning 24 hours after you make it, only 0.0000000000000000000000001% is left.
Absolutely no way to commercialize anything other than ozone generators like this one.
Can confirm about the price of aqueous ozone dispensers. We bought one at the outset of the pandemic (the only brand available at the time), and it was over $100. But it did have a larger capacity than this one. And yes, it’s accepted science. Aqueous ozone has been used in industrial settings for decades.
Have an ozone generator but this looks convenient for the intended uses esp. for rinsing off produce. I have never done a slash thing here but will give it a go:
/showme lurking bleak bug
The /showme command is a member feature. Join membership to try it out.
/showme lurking bleak bug
Ah… I see.
@babakool
/image Sorry Charlie
@babakool You can still do /image and /giphy, though.
@Kyeh OK, thanks.
/giphy lurking bleak bug
LOL… is that Gary Busey? He has bugged out pretty much.
@babakool Hmm - I thought it was Mrs. Doubtfire - hard to tell!
@Kyeh You are probably right as I didn’t notice the wire rims at first. Busey in drag as Mrs. D isn’t a much of a stretch.
@babakool
BTW verbage got fixed but I truly hope there’s two people cooking in the last picture (either that or the chef has two right hands)
Welp, my christmas shopping is done. In for 7.
@jamesmcp I came here to ask who bought 7 of these and why-question answered before I asked, thanks!
@algae1221 Because ozone decomposes so quickly in water, its going to be safer to use in septic systems than other cleaning chemicals. Yay living in the country!
I remember reading up on this during the pandemic, but like many, was turned off by the price. At this price, I’ll give it a shot. Also, I guess I’m really just trusting the science because it’s not like I’m going swab and petri dish my counter after spraying this.
festered carved cemetery
Hmm… Snakewater.
/buy
@monkeyman0510 It worked! Your order number is: stalking-startling-necromancy
/showme stalking startling necromancy
/buy
@hammi99 It worked! Your order number is: profane-horrified-hex
/showme profane horrified hex
I keep seeing “spray on any non-porous surface.” However, there are pictures of people spraying dog beds, shoes, plushy chew toys. Are those not porous surfaces? Will it discolor my curtains?
@goldnectar ozone is a bleaching agent. Its short lived so won’t do as much damage as bleach or peroxide, but that’s not the same as no damage.
@goldnectar @jamesmcp It’s frequently used in low concentrations to remove the deposited aromatics from items that have taken smoke damage. It often takes 24-72 hours for the ozone to do the job. Obviously, that’s done with a small ozone generator in a sealed, enclosed space, and water is not involved.
I’m planning to find out if the solution generated by this Homedics device can remove that nasty solvent odor often encountered in cotton fabrics from China.
@goldnectar @werehatrack
Out if curiosity, have you had a chance to test it on any of those fabrics?
MEH
We got one - and are really impressed! My wife became a believer: when she complained about the stink of our curbside trash can, I made a 4-minute batch and sprayed half of into the empty can. Two minutes later - no odor!
Did the same thing on a mattress after our daughter had an accident. This is amazing!
@Jasongb Huh, that’s impressive. Thanks for this feedback, I’m more interested in this now.
Although I guess it’s not for sale today.
Alas, the sprayer broke a couple days ago. I’m assuming there’s no warranty so I’m looking for a replacement sprayer. The O3 generator is totally functional though. Any suggestions, community?
@user95966292 Meh provides a 90 day warranty, contact them via meh.com/support for assistancr.