Float Your Goat (July 2020 scapegoat blame thread)

@mediocrebot yes perfect… I avoided the blame there!

@moonhat is to blame!

@mediocrebot ok, M-bot, it’s time to switch blame here, I’ve had quite enough of you.

@OnionSoup drew on you with sunscreen while you were asleep.

@mediocrebot lol… That actually sounds like something I would do.

@OnionSoup I don’t think that’s been done yet.

@OnionSoup @Thumperchick
not this one!

@OnionSoup I’ll help you out.

@OnionSoup drew on you with sunscreen while you were asleep.

@MrMikenIkes that was me. When I cut onions I always make a big deal about it to annoy my kids…

“Oh poor onion, I loved that onion, it’s so sad to cut it up”. Theyre never amused.

@MrMikenIkes @OnionSoup I chuckled.

@MrMikenIkes @OnionSoup

to annoy my kids…

That is the first rule of parenting, isn’t it?

@MrMikenIkes @OnionSoup @ybmuG And the second rule is that you want to take the gold in the “meanest mom in the whole wide world” contest.

In about 4th or 5th grade my kid and her friend were arguing whose mom was meaner and mine said I was the meanest mom in the whole wide world. Her friend said her mom was the meanest mom in the whole wide universe. They then were arguing who who was meaner (things like making them clean their room before they could go outside to play, do homework before TV, etc.). So the other mom and I decided to discuss how each of us wanted to win the meanest mom contest and started to talk about the way over the top things we could do to win trying to one up each other. The kids looked horrified. We had trouble not laughing. They then decided that we weren’t as bad as they had originally thought.

@dzieciom points for a mask… no points for no gloves.

@dzieciom @JnKL with that “mask” he might not live long enough to spread the virus.

@dzieciom

@bgammill What the fuck are you all on about BG?

Update: Apparently we still have not gotten an email about adjusted hours so we are staying at 4am to 10pm until/unless we hear otherwise.

@msklzannie Management sure has a dumb ass in charge of notification of important changes.

@msklzannie so frustrating

@Kidsandliz This comes from higher than just management. It doesn’t help that earlier this week we got a new Area Supervisor. (Our previous AS left the company after her husband passed away last month.) Also, we are the only non-24-hour store under the AS that opens/opened at 4am. Other stores were 5am or 6am. The hypothesis is that the times were changed en-masse for the non-24-hour stores.

But, yeah, it sucks when you don’t know what’s going on.

/giphy failure to communicate

Update #2: New store hours officially change Friday, July 3.

@msklzannie you poor thing. That whole situation must have been frustrating

@OnionSoup totally did it.

@OnionSoup drew on you with sunscreen while you were asleep.

@mediocrebot @OnionSoup that seems a very appropriate mediocrebot comment

@OnionSoup wears socks with sandals.

@OnionSoup is definitely to blame.

@jbartus

I think the deal is, if you were one of the earlier goats, you have to ask for the goat emeritus badge.

newer goats get it automatically

@OnionSoup drew on you with sunscreen while you were asleep.

@mediocrebot

Thanks @mediocrebot
one can only hope that’s true

@jbartus do you want your goat badge?

@OnionSoup totally did it.

@f00l well that’s lame, who do I blame for such mediocrity? @Thumperchick had a list, even!

Shame on you @OnionSoup!

@OnionSoup drew on you with sunscreen while you were asleep.

@RiotDemon I have mixed feelings on the topic. On the one hand, I was a goat and it’s a very exclusive club so there’s that. There’s also the aspect whereby it theoretically grants immunity to becoming nominated to be goated, as, to my knowledge, nobody has been regoated. Then again, realistically, I haven’t been around here much hanging out with ya’ll to really get on someone’s radar so… I’m probably safe either way.

@OnionSoup wears socks with sandals.

@mediocrebot you need some new lines. That or @OnionSoup has some very unusual fetish for drawing on people with suncreen.

@jbartus @kittysprinkles was regoated because she changed her username… I think @mfladd organized it. Then he disappeared.

@jbartus Nice to see you back!

@jbartus @mediocrebot oh but I do… I do…

@RiotDemon I demand that you bring @mfladd back! It’s bad enough that I’m sure to endure abuse from Pats haters because Brady is a Buc now, it’s unfair and inhumane to expect me to suffer in solitariness! And I definitely want the goat badge then, if nothing else the perceived immunity will be helpful.

@sammydog01 I dunno how long life will let me be back for, but thanks! Glad to see so many old names still floating around.

@OnionSoup drew on you with sunscreen while you were asleep.

@mediocrebot, please ask the staff to send @OnionSoup a pallet of sunscreen for their trouble. I volunteer to pay the $5 for postage.

@jbartus we’ve been trying to get @mfladd to respond. No dice.

@RiotDemon maybe if @Thumperchick sends @mfladd a nice letter via snail mail asking him to come back?

@jbartus @RiotDemon
Hey guys…I guess you don’t know…@mfladd’s circus he ran off with is keeping him in a small cage between performances…

Be sure next time yer at the circus to check your popcorn for hastily scrawled messages.

@RiotDemon @therealjrn oh dear, I hope they’re treating @mfladd humanely!

@Kidsandliz for the 4-year-old who likes to read!

PS this is the same child who told her now 5 year old brother that he wasn’t allowed to play with his penis in public anymore (after I explained to her that she didn’t have a “thing down there” to play with when she told me she didn’t play with hers in public - and told what to call it - and even if she did you don’t play with it in public; and no I did not ask about “anymore”). I would imagine when she starts school she will be asking all sorts of other questions that will mean teachers will have good stories to tell to other teachers and to tell at home.

@Kidsandliz and to call home concerned about.

“She said her brother was playing with his penis in public Ms. AndLiz… public!”

@jbartus Well actually he had whipped it out in the yard to pee on a fire ant hill at the time of this comment by his sister. He said he peed on it because it was easier to do that than to go into the house to get water to dump on it. Kid logic. God only knows what else he has done as I have not witnessed anything else nor been told about it but apparently there is more. We had a “talk” about where one displays or plays with one’s penis, and in public would not be one of the choices unless using the urinal in the boy’s restroom. I also suggested that if he can’t keep it in his pants we could tie a fancy bow around it so at least it would look nice when he’d show it off. He was horrified at the idea. I then told him if he didn’t want that to happen think about his choices and which one would result in a nice frilly bow. I then had to explain what frilly meant. Always value in enlarging a kid’s vocabulary. LOL

And yes I suspect her teacher will need to be warned about what comes out of this kid’s mouth. Although there is only one kindergarten teacher in that school so that poor teacher will have already lived through 2 others and may be dreading child #3… Although she has been spared child #2 since March. Child #2 can have spectacular temper tantrums on occasion and apparently cleared the table in school once.

Friday at the birthday party I warned child #2 to stop hitting with a swim floaty thing or I’d take it way and deflate it. He gave me the child equivalent of the fuck you evil eyeball and shortly there after I had to confiscate it. He stormed off to the bedroom to carry on and sulk. When he was done making a racket I went in there and reminded him why I took away the blow up thing and told him he was welcome to join us when he was done being mad. Shortly there after he came out and unprompted apologized and told me he’d never do it again. And then climbed into my lap to cuddle. And this last bit is probably why he doesn’t get murdered in his sleep by adults.

@Kidsandliz and to think some guys out there would probably jump at the chance to have their equipment embellished…

That sounds like a very effective means by which to discourage such behavior, certainly better than the age old parental stand by “if you keep doing X with it it’ll fall off” or some such.

Child #2 sounds like a bit of a tempest in a bottle… or maybe a tempest in a teddy bear?

@jbartus PS and for those who wondered - birthday party was immediate family only.

@jbartus

and to think some guys out there would probably jump at the chance to have their equipment embellished…

I’d imagine that would depend on who embellishes it (smirk).

He does a bit of this for attention although a lot of it is he has a lot of trouble when things don’t go his way. There was one occasion where the waiting room was filling up (he was 2 and a bit) and I told him he had to get off the floor sit in a chair. That was not on his agenda. First he looks around the room to make sure people are paying attention, glares at me, throws his shoulders up, slaps his arms across his chest, slams his shoulders down and then carefully throws himself back (he is already seated on the floor), being careful not to hurt himself and then carries on. All of this done in a controlled manner. The nurse had been walking across the waiting room, saw the whole thing and the two of us had a lot of trouble not laughing.

Learning how to handle his anger/temper in an appropriate way is not something that comes easily to him. I suspect that despite anyone’s best efforts he will have to learn a handful of hard lessons over and over before it “sticks”. It is a step forward though (which is recent) for him to spontaneously apologize. So there is hope.

@Kidsandliz frankly, I was not terribly concerned about the party and who and how many were there. For my part, the way I see it is these things only happen if adults are arranging them. Either the adults make responsible choices or they don’t. If they do, good, enjoy the party. If not… will their genes really be missed?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Edit: To be clear, my commentary here is not about COVID and/or its dangers and more about not wanting to try to tell everybody what they need to do. I don’t personally feel it’s my job to save people from themselves, or preach about what you should do. If you want to be near me or in my establishment, I reserve the right to tell you to put on a mask and stay six feet away at all times, besides that it’s your lookout.

@Kidsandliz Heck, some of them might even enjoy it more if it’s a stranger.

I know some adults who still don’t handle it well when things don’t go their way, with luck (and your efforts and support!) he won’t end up joining their ranks.

@Kidsandliz smart kid. Keep up the love of learning and reading. . I think it’s great when young kids like that love to read.

@jbartus I forgot to include what brother #1 (Just 7) said in the middle of all of this. So as this discussion was going on with child #2 & 3, Child #1, who is on top of the playhouse and I didn’t even think was paying attention as he was busy trying to catch daddy long legs, announces very matter of factly, that he isn’t playing with his because it is stuck to his leg (deep south hot and humid). OMG we need to get face masks that include a child mute filter in them for going out in public.

@Kidsandliz Kids say the darnedest things.

@Kidsandliz I love this kid!

@mehbee Yeah some pretty amazing/funny things come out of her mouth at times.

@ybmuG @OnionSoup Actually all 3 kids love books. Brother #1 wanted to read her books himself before she had had me read them all to her. That caused a fuss as she was, understandably, being very possessive about her brand new books that she had unwrapped not 10 minutes before. That will wear off and they will look at each others books and ask people to read them to them (even if some of them can read themselves). I hope that continues. They know they get books for their birthdays and for christmas and actually look forward to that and ask to make sure/remind us that they are getting some.

@OnionSoup is definitely to blame.

@ruouttaurmind You’re obviously too particular. I’ve been watching Movin’ On on youtube and Dark Shadows on Prime.

@ruouttaurmind @sammydog01 I’m watching ER on Hulu. I only have 292 episodes left to watch. WHAT WILL I FIND TO WATCH NEXT?

@Barney @ruouttaurmind Dark Shadows has 1225 episodes. Give it a try.

@ruouttaurmind @sammydog01 Dark Shadows was a half hour show? That would only give me 612.5 hours of viewing pleasure. So what will I do next year?

@sammydog01 Thank you! I fired up Prime Vid to preview Dark Shadows and on the home screen noticed Hanna Series 2 is now available. Eight new episodes.

I’ll preview Dark Shadows before I get started on Hanna. Thanks!

EDIT: Oh. “Free with ads”. No bueno.

@ruouttaurmind @sammydog01 I didn’t like Dark Shadows the first time it aired. Yes, I’m old, so what?

@ruouttaurmind @sammydog01 You won’t watch shows with ads?

@Barney Um, no. I don’t have the patience to sit through ads and I quickly get distracted and lose interest.

@Barney @ruouttaurmind If you can’t sit through ads no way could you watch 1225 episodes of a vampire soap opera from the 60s. (I got through 300 or so before they put the ads in.)

@sammydog01 I definitely had ants in my pants after 232 episodes of The Big Bang Theory. By far the biggest binging commitment I’ve made to any series. I guess TWD would be a close second at 80ish episodes at the time. Fewer episodes, double the running time.

Breaking Bad was my first ever streaming binge (62 episodes) and that felt like a lifetime. That was about 5 years ago. It’s interesting how much the streaming market has changed since then.

@ruouttaurmind I’ve never been able to binge watch anything.

Probably watched too much TV in my 20’s before I had streaming channels. Ever since had streaming the “scarcity of the moment” has gone away. I got watch a show anytime… So I choose not to watch TV more than an hour a day… In the old days of pre-streaming I could watch TV for hours because “if I don’t watch it, or tape it now, I’ll miss it”.

Having hundreds of shows I can watch at any moment has made me watch less TV.

@OnionSoup When I’ve caught up on all my usual shows I definitely get frustrated searching for new content. Way too many titles available and so time consuming to hunt through them all. I really wish there was a more efficient solution for seeking out content. The GUI in the apps is pretty, but definitely not efficient and seldom organized in a way I prefer to search. This is one thing I really miss about my Dish Network DVR: the ability to apply custom filters and sort options to search results. The streaming apps don’t offer that for some reason.

For now, I’ve discovered Castle Rock on Hulu. According to the Hulu description, I’ve entered “the Stephen King multiverse”. I guess if Marvel, DC and Star Wars can have their multiverses, why not Stephen King?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@ruouttaurmind search fatigue is definitely a problem with me. I hate looking for a new show to watch. Especially when I typically only watch an hour a day (tops) and it’s with the wife, our wind down right before bed.

Looking through the shows there are dozens I see that I might like, but I know she won’t… And she sees some she wants that I have no interest in. I think there are also probably dozens more we both might enjoy but skip over because we incorrectly assume the other wouldn’t want to see…

Just finished the feed on Amazon Prime. That was good if you like sci fi. First episode was meh but got better.

@OnionSoup @ruouttaurmind
I think we have some threads here on suggested binge watching back in the first lockdown phase.

Just finished Line of Duty, Major Crimes, and The Wire. In the middle of Treme, Picard, Altered Carbon s2, Westworld s3, The Office s8, and the Watchmen, with ST:Discovery s2 and Hanna s2 up next.

The wife won’t watch TWD, so I don’t know when I’ll get around to it. Then there’s the binges we’ve started, but never finished - Californication, Fargo, Handmaid’s Tale, Mr. Robot, Shameless, True Detective.

Movies have their own backlog. Sigh.

Definitely blaming the goat here. Just 'cause.

@ruouttaurmind have you read any Stephen King books? They often user the same towns and some characters flow into other books. I loved the show… But I’m a huge King fan. I wasn’t sure how that would translate to someone that wasn’t. There’s a bunch of little things that you won’t notice if you didn’t read his books, or watch the movies.

@RiotDemon I read The Stand and It, and have seen several movies based on his books, so I’m familiar with many of the characters and places. I’m only 2-1/2 episodes in and the references to King’s other stories are too numerous to count. I’m really liking this show so far, easter eggs aside.

@ruouttaurmind I actually went and looked up the references. There was still quite a few I missed. Some very obscure.

I can’t wait for season 3.

@RiotDemon @ruouttaurmind

I don’t understand the concept of being caught up with tv series. This has never happened in my personal life experience.

However, some ideas could be had here.

https://www.google.com/search?q=greatest tv shows of all time&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1-m

A bunch of folks have made lists

@f00l So subjective though. Shows and films I think are stellar you may think are the dumbest bits of trash entertainment ever to curse the interwebs. It’s very difficult to make entertainment recommendations to someone without actually knowing a fair bit about them.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@ruouttaurmind

Nobody agrees with everything on those lists or likes everything on those lists

To me those lists are useful to remind me of stuff I forgotten about, or stuff that I intended to watch and didn’t, or to spark my interest in something I never heard of or didn’t understand might be a really good show.

I just use the lists to pique my interest, get some reminders, and then check stuff out.

If I don’t like whatever, fine; what’s up next that looks interesting?

@f00l I am curious about this:

I don’t understand the concept of being caught up with tv series. This has never happened in my personal life experience.

So you’ve never watched a series that has culminated and ceased production? That’s as much caught up as any other description. Broadcast TV, streaming services, etc. If a series has stopped production and you’ve seen the episodes they released, you are caught up. I don’t know if you’ve been a Firefly fan, but that’s probably one of the easiest examples. 14 episodes. If you’ve seen them all, you’re caught up, innit?

Dear @ruouttaurmind,

I have attempted to decipher @f00l’s posts in the past and all has been for naught. I have tried to convey basic universal views to her and too, this has been for naught.

If you succeed, please let me know how you did it.

@therealjrn I’m just a boy, writing to a girl, asking her to understand him.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@therealjrn don’t you know as a woman @f001 has the right to change her mind!

It is in the female handbook

@f001 @tinamarie1974 I never got a copy of that book. Were they supposed to be handed out in 7th grade health class?

You know, that day they took all the girls to a separate room to watch some film?

@f001 @therealjrn well boys are not allowed copies of the handbook. Against the rules.

@f001 @therealjrn @tinamarie1974 I believe it’s the 14th amendment that protects against discrimination based on sex.

I’m taking this to the supreme court to get whatever book it is women get so that I can understand them better. It is my constitutional right to peak in the female handbook so I can see what goes on in a woman’s mind.

@f001 @OnionSoup @therealjrn good luck, our minds are complex, scary places!!

@f001 @OnionSoup @therealjrn @tinamarie1974

We don’t talk about that handbook.
Unless we do

That handbook doesn’t exist.
Unless it does exist

@ruouttaurmind

I don’t understand the concept of being caught up with tv series. This has never happened in my personal life experience.

I dictated that using speech-to-text because my hands were busy at the time

That sentence was supposed to contain the word “all my”.
Right before the words “TV series“

I.e. what I meant to say was that I never catch up with all my would be TV watching

Of course I’ve seen all of some series I liked Firefly Buffy and some other stuff

I was out in the boonies at the time and coverage wasn’t great
it could be that some data was missed and not translated to text

And then I didn’t proofread or anything

Or it could be that I just made/make no sense

I’ll go along with whatever @therealjrn thinks, to resolve that mystery.

@f001 @OnionSoup @therealjrn @tinamarie1974 You so don’t want to see what’s there dude, back away, back slowly away.

@f00l @ruouttaurmind

I’ll go along with whatever @therealjrn thinks

There we go. The world needs more women like you.

@RiotDemon Oh dang! I’ve been watching Castle Rock off and on throughout the night and it just hit me. That’s Pennywise!

Obvs not exactly an easter egg, but an interesting casting choice still.

@ruouttaurmind @therealjrn

I know.

I didn’t define “going along“.
Perhaps I’ll leave my definition of that phrase undefined for the moment.

@OnionSoup drew on you with sunscreen while you were asleep.

@tinamarie1974 yikes… I take butalbitol, the only one I’ve tried that actually works…
My doctor is always trying to switch my to imitrex and I keep having to tell him it doesn’t help me. I don’t know if he has stock in them or something.

@OnionSoup I take emgality monthly and imitrex as needed. The emgality does not supply a full month of relief so they are trying to add another med on top and it is not working. So frustrating.

@OnionSoup @tinamarie1974 That sounds really, really miserable!!

@tinamarie1974

: (

@OnionSoup wears socks with sandals.

@tinamarie1974 I thought, for a second, that was artwork! Pretty amazing they don’t fall off.

@Kidsandliz I don’t know how they manage to sleep like that, but if it keeps them safe.

The pic is a little fuzzy because I had to stand somewhat far away and zoom in. If I got too close a pair of swallows would dive bomb … and they got pretty close to my head!!

@Kidsandliz @tinamarie1974
Pix pls

: )

@f00l @Kidsandliz pic is above on my original post. Is it not visible?

@Kidsandliz @tinamarie1974

WAnt moar

; )

@f00l @Kidsandliz oh helz no!!! I risked my mellon taking the one you saw

@tinamarie1974

@f00l @Kidsandliz @tinamarie1974 Please go get a fancier phone camera. We needz moar pix.

@tinamarie1974 my sister in law left her Xmas wreath on her front door for so long that birds started nesting in it. Now she can’t take it down.

@f00l @Kidsandliz @OldCatLady snuck outside and they let me get a LITTLE closer tonight

@f00l @OldCatLady @tinamarie1974 Would almost be worth it to put up something more comfortable for them to rest on.

@f00l @Kidsandliz @OldCatLady oohhh no I don’t particularly like the birds overtaking my porch. No need to give them more reason to stay

@f00l @Kidsandliz @OldCatLady @tinamarie1974

Really? Posting pics of naked chicks?
This is a family website, for fuck’s sake!

@f00l @Kidsandliz @mike808 @OldCatLady oh please, they have feathers! Lol

@f00l @OldCatLady @tinamarie1974 But but but they are so cute!

@f00l @Kidsandliz @OldCatLady I mean I won’t hurt them. I just don’t encourage their visits.

@f00l @OldCatLady @tinamarie1974 Well yes bird poop. That is a pain. On my parent’s porch over the front door robins would build a nest each year. Usually they’d have 4 babies. Was fun to watch the babies grow up and leave the nest. Occasionally we’d get dive bombed by the mama. And then, of course, there was the big mess they’d leave behind. Each year they’d build the new nest on top of the old one.

One year it took the biggest baby almost an extra week to leave the nest. Meanwhile mama and the other babies would fly around the bushes next to the part of the porch the nest was on and mama would keep swooping by the remaining baby landing on the nest and nudging the reluctant one (also feeding it). At the time I was a young teen and decided finally to gently scoop up the reluctant baby. It stood on my hand and would open its wings when I’d lower my hand a bit quickly. I took it to the shrub where the rest of them hung out and gently tossed it slightly into the air, removing my hand. It fluttered and flew. The family was gone a few days later.

@f00l @Kidsandliz @OldCatLady yup lots of poop and they are extremely territorial so they dive bomb. And it is not just one bird you get two or three coming at you. I don’t use my front porch often, but I do like to sit out there at night and star gaze. If the babies are there it is impossible. I just peek my head put and if I see them I know I might as well go back inside.

@f00l @OldCatLady @tinamarie1974 Use an umbrella so they dive bomb that instead of you?

@f00l @Kidsandliz @OldCatLady nah. I just avoid the porch and use my back door or garage.

@OnionSoup drew on you with sunscreen while you were asleep.

@OldCatLady For all the things that went wrong are you sure yesterday wasn’t Friday the 13th?

@OnionSoup wears socks with sandals.

@Aussemjared

That’s really hard. I hope she respond to treatment or something.

@f00l Me too.

@Aussemjared Cancer sucks. It wrecks lives, families and finances. And it is really, really hard - as your family has discovered unfortunately - to deal with the emotional side of cancer. It is beyond hard to come to terms with the harsh reality of a cancer that has progressed this far.

You may already know everything I have listed below but just in case you don’t:

If she hasn’t been to one of the NCI cancer centers (go to the main center as research has documented that the primary center for these NCI cancer centers is “better” than their satellite centers) for a second opinion about her treatment options (where there is often access to treatments not available elsewhere like Adoptive T-cell therapy which I gather is promising for women with cervical cancer as advanced as that of your wife’s presuming they have the right markers) it would be worth doing that. I also know first hand that they (MD Anderson Cancer Center and when I lived in northern Idaho I decided to temporarily use Seattle Cancer Care/Fred Hutchinson/U of WA NIC cancer collaboration as it was only 5 hours away) are willing to “direct traffic” with respect to coordinating most kinds of care where you live (unless it isn’t available there) so that you only go there periodically. I currently travel to MDA from 2 states away and was able to access a treatment (now considered a gold standard of care) before it was available most places. And I know they are currently seeing patients despite the pandemic. I was just there 2 weeks ago.

Joe’s list collects together hotel and housing options (all over the country - you put in the city you are interested in) that give medical discounts. That list also includes some that are privately run of which some are dirt cheap (with a waiting list for those though and typically the patient needs to be in treatment) and some are free if someone is in treatment.

Talk to social services at whatever cancer center you are using for help in finding financial aid to help pay for treatment. There are some financial aid programs for cancer patients who are young like your wife along with programs for those with her kind of cancer. Drug companies often offer financial aid for the particular drug being used. If there is an appropriate clinical trial the treatment side of those are free.

There are some financial aid programs out there that pay for insurance premiums and sometimes are just awards to help with whatever life expenses a cancer patient has. I think I remember reading that there is at least one program that helps with the embryo preservation expenses.

For most programs you can have health insurance to be eligible and the family income limits for eligibility are usually very pretty generous. Of course like any cancer financial aid program there is more need out there than there is money. And these programs are a drop in the bucket with respect to the financial toxicity of cancer, but every little bit helps.

If your wife has student loans usually they can be forgiven under these circumstances although usually the person has to be considered disabled first (being designated as disabled is an automatic department of ed forgiveness situation although they then require that she, personally, has no income at all outside of social security disability -stricter than the usual social security disability work rules).

Social security disability “fast tracks” stage 4 cancer patients (they have a list of diseases and conditions that have to be met to be fast tracked) and the usual game of being denied and then reapply doesn’t generally happen with appropriate medical documentation and a qualifying fast tracked diagnosis. They expedite processing those applications (although like many things during the pandemic they may or may not be slower right now) and I know of a couple of people who have been approved within 1- 2 months of their application.

Feel free to whisper me.

@Kidsandliz This is actually really helpful info, thank you so much. We live in WA state, and we had a doctor from SCCA look her charts, etc. I honestly think we need a ‘third’ opinion, and I’ve been thinking about calling Seattle and bothering people until she’s actually seen up there.

We are south a bit and here the only cancer treatment is a chemo / radiation clinic, so that’s all she’s been given thus far. first time didn’t help, now she’s on the make you sick / hair fall out, etc chemo in hopes the cancer stops spreading and shrinks. She’s also on Avastin to limit blood flow since it’s in her liver. I guess that’s a new wonder drug for cancer, but we are both still scared for her next MRI, every one thus far has been worse and worse news.

Both last year and this year we set up fundraisers to try to help with costs, but it’s never enough, especially when we burned our savings. We got a grant for the embryo stuff last year, but it only covered 4k of the 10k amount, so we have a personal loan for the rest. Even with my insurance through work, every PET scan / MRI is $700, coinsurance $2500, etc.

I am going to bring all this up with her today. I was just venting and being emotional at work on meh, but I’m glad I posted because I’ve learned a lot from your info here.

@Aussemjared

Glad you found my post helpful. Cancer is an emotional and financial earthquake with a ton of aftershocks that goes on for years in some cases. Scan anxiety is so very real. I was having a fit about that for a couple of weeks leading up to my last set of CT scans. Unfortunately you and your wife are barely into this with respect to figuring out how to get a grip on the emotional side of all of this.

There is no way around it that cancer is very stressful at times, especially initially or when things change. I’ve had 3 major ones (and one caught so early it was nearly a non-issue), one with no cure but a longer life span. The no cure one was qualitatively different than the others due to the no cure part. Took me about 18 months to get a grip on that aspect of it and even now I occasionally struggle with the no cure part. I was lucky in that I cleared (but just barely) the magic 2 year mark for not having a relapse as the folks that don’t have a worse outcome. While I am not in remission, what is going on with it (it is one of the lymphoma blood cancers that can wax and wane) isn’t bad enough that treatment is needed yet. Markers are rising and a key one is now high, but taking the pandemic into consideration the decision was made to just watch and wait a bit longer and keep a closer eye on what is up. That causes stress though.

Oh - see if where she is getting chemo will give her a few surgical masks. They will protect her a bit better than cloth ones if she has to go out. And if she hasn’t heard of using extended release Claritin for the horrific bone pain that comes from neulasta shots to raise counts that is worth looking into.

I don’t have time to google the resources for you today, I was just telling you what I remembered when researching financial help with the cancers I’ve had (by the way if your family doesn’t make more than 200% of the poverty line for your family size (which may not happen until she can’t work any more) and she isn’t on your insurance (she can be dropped if she qualifies for this) AND (this is the most important part as where you are treated can have a lot to do with outcome) if medicaid is accepted by the best place she can be treated at that you have access to THEN accessing the federal breast and cervical cancer program that will pay for her care just like any other medicaid program makes sense. This is a federal and NOT a state program so has a separate application process through a different office. But a lot of the really good cancer centers don’t accept medicaid or only accept it through one of the outsourced managers of that system (so if you can/do go that route check carefully that you choose the right “program”).

And yeah cancer is just so incredibly expensive. I have been trashed on here by a couple of fuckhead bullies about fundraisers but unless you have gold plated insurance, a trust fund or a high income there is no way to get through this without a lot of past due medical bills, debt and related financial problems… I went through all of my savings and had to cash in retirement savings because care gets cut off if you fall too far behind with your bills (that being said you can sometimes negotiate continued care despite a huge debt if you continue to make payments - that is what I was finally able to do after having care cut off twice). Over half the bankruptcies in this country are solely due to medical bills.

I am whispering you.

@Aussemjared For a third opinion it might be worth flying (yeah I know flying, money, covid, hotel, rental car maybe) to MD Anderson Cancer Center, which is ranked #1 overall or another really top ranked cancer center like Sloan Kettering in NYC which is ranked #2 overall. Free hotels (but see Joe’s list for what else is there) - NYC Hope House, Houston Ballard House (it is in Katy which is about a 45 min drive during high traffic times). Both likely you need to plan ahead due to waiting lists.

MDA has a focused, throw extra money at it, Adoptive T-cell therapy (including for cervical cancer) research center there (part of their “moon shot” efforts). And Sloan is ranked #1 in the nation for gynecology.

Of course the other big name places closer to you are also excellent on the west coast in CA and of course Seattle that you already know about. Nothing in OR is all that good, nor ID.

This has an overall view of cancer treatment center reputations (although if a big name cervical oncologist is somewhere then that particular cancer treatment program for that kind of cancer may well be better than the overall rating for the center). https://health.usnews.com/best-hospitals/rankings/cancer

@Aussemjared So I spent some time this morning digging through the lists I created for myself of financial aid from anything from rent help, med help, co-pay help, free wigs, etc. and added some updates from googling. There is more out there but this should get you started.

Some (again not a comprehensive list) of organizations out there that can help cancer patients with a wide range of expenses. While may of the grants may be smaller anything helps and if you get a wig paid for one place and get rent assistance somewhere else it can add up.

Also read what is written under them on the websites, don’t go just by the title as some cover far more than what the title indicates.

And yes it takes time to go through all of this and to apply… also social services where she is treated is usually who is the most helpful in filling out the proof of the cancer diagnosis. At MD Anderson I just put my social worker down and it all happens magically LOL (of course when I go there I bring thank you blue berries or something to her).

If you have anyone who is asking what they can do to help maybe give them these lists and ask them cull through the sites to make a smaller list of each program out there that you might find helpful, the url, phone, etc . and what they offer that would be applicable to your family’s situation. Heck get them to call and get the application forms (many are online but some are not). It is freaking time consuming to find help and it can seem overwhelming to do this when you are already stressed out. And help often comes in $250 here $100 there increments on the low end, maybe $5000 on the high end. And sometimes it comes as a check, sometimes a debit card, sometimes paid directly to whomever you need to pay…but it adds up and collectively can make a difference.

When looking at these you may find some have geographic limits or type of cancer limits. It would be worth calling your local united way to see what they have listed. Also local churches may have programs for people even outside of their religion to get help. I get one expensive med I am supposed to be taking that way. Lots of hoops to jump through but it was worth it as I otherwise couldn’t have afforded to take it.

These is some overlap between the various lists (also these lists and what I have below are not all inclusive). Also I have not followed many of the links so you might get page not found and then need to google to find it. And there is more out there than these things I have listed here but this should get you started. (I am presuming you have already googled cervical cancer specifically for financial aid and financial aid aimed at younger people with cervical cancer specifically).

In somewhat random order:

Organizations that help younger cancer people (unfortunately the fertility one listed on this list you have to live in TX but later in this post there are more), be sure to look at the funds that help people of all ages though, not just these. Also this organization (stupid cancer) was founded by a young cancer survivor and is geared specifically at younger people who have or have had cancer
https://stupidcancer.org/get-help/resource-directories/financial-assistance/
http://www.bmcf.net

Has a search function to find specific things, pretty big list (but by no means comprehensive as there are more out there) of help that is out there (and again many have limited budgets so it can be hard to get this help). Also look at all of them as one that comes up under wigs actually offers money for multiple things. I’d start with this one if or energy is limited since it has the most on their site.
https://www.cancerfac.org

Help with copays
http://www.cancercarecopay.org

https://www.cancer.net/navigating-cancer-care/financial-considerations/financial-resources

Although these websites are technically for breast cancer, many organizations on their list of resources are not breast cancer limited even though on these lists they just say breast cancer (saying just that because these are breast cancer sites even if the fund is broader). The first one is focused on young people
https://www.youngsurvival.org/learn/living-with-breast-cancer/practical-concerns/financial-assistance
https://ww5.komen.org/BreastCancer/FinancialResources.html

https://www.cancer.org/treatment/finding-and-paying-for-treatment/understanding-financial-and-legal-matters/managing-costs/programs-and-resources-to-help-with-cancer-related-expenses.html

Here is the free flights one (but don’t count on it – every time I have tried no luck). There is another one that helps with transportation included in some other list I have posted here (can’t remember which one)
http://www.corpangelnetwork.org

Don’t know if they can help pay off the loan you have for the embryo preservation you did
http://www.fertilehope.org

Besides Joe’s list, this one also lists housing
hhnetwork.org
https://www.joeshouse.org

meds (there are other programs embedded in other lists plus the specific pharma company often has a program for a specific expensive cancer drug)
needymeds.org

Needymeds also has a list of organizations by diagnosis that help, a lot of organizations on this long list are specifically for young people (and by cancer standards your wife would usually be included unless it says kids only). If you scroll to the bottom there is stuff for people living in the state of Washington (stuff on top of the list is national).
https://www.needymeds.org/copay_diseases.taf?_function=summary&disease_eng=Cancer-20All

This technically is for people with oral cancer but their list of help is pretty good and unlike some of the other sites actually gives more information about what is offered at each website.
https://oralcancerfoundation.org/resources/financial-assistance/

These has (some repeats of above listings) are also listing of organizations that help (and help includes things like co-pay assistance, rent, etc.):
https://www.debt.org/medical/financial-help-for-cancer-patients/
http://jeanninewalston.com/integrative-cancer-care/cancer-support-center-integrative-cancer-resources/cancer-financial-assistance/
https://www.cancerandcareers.org/en/at-work/legal-and-financial/financial-assistance-for-those-in-need
patientadvocate.org
vitaloptions.org
healthwellfoundation.org/emergency-cancer-relief-fund
http://jeanninewalston.com/integrative-cancer-care/cancer-support-center-integrative-cancer-resources/cancer-financial-assistance/
http://www.thesamfund.org/get-help/resources/financial-resources-assistance/direct-financial-assistance/

@Aussemjared ASAP!!!
THESE TWO FUNDS ARE OPEN NOW just for cervical cancer. Likely they won’t stay open long (both are on this page)

https://fundfinder.panfoundation.org/Home/FundDetail/100011/?src=as&q=

@narfcake @thumperchick @riotdemon @ignorant
If he isn’t signed up for notifications of posts if meh could send him a customer service email telling him to check this thread and that these two funds are open. Generally funds close in a blink of an eye. That they are both open at once, when his family needs co-pay assistance is a minor miracle. Thanks

@Aussemjared @Kidsandliz …yes…what kidsandliz said… my husband is receiving treatment at MDA… kidsandliz covered it all … i second those opinions and suggestions

@Ignorant @Kidsandliz @narfcake @RiotDemon @Thumperchick I will make an account and check it out right away.

@Kidsandliz Thank you again for the fund info, our insurance wants $800 for CT scans this time around, and the lab work for the past 3 months is over $1,000 - after we’ve paid our deductible in full.

She got approved for one of the co-pay funds, and they’ve paid that all off which is a huge relief. It’s very helpful that in my random emotional rant I received such an outpouring of information that neither of us would’ve had the energy or time to look up anytime soon.

@Aussemjared I am so glad that your family got some help. I know from personal experience sometimes the help is there and sometimes it is not. Either way the medical expenses continue to mount and before you know it the hole is so deep you wonder if you can ever get out. Like your family, I am still in that deep the hole. It was just plain lucky there were open funds and she got one of them. Every little bit helps. Glad I could be of help.

That’s @OnionSoup’s fault.

@TheCraiggers you pay them only $120 a year for them to spy on you? WHAT A DEAL!

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@thismyusername Yeah, it’s shady as hell, and it is no wonder the company is going under. Fuck the fucking fucks and the fucking fucks they fucking fucked in on.

@OnionSoup drew on you with sunscreen while you were asleep.

@mikejb0329 wait, I am confused???

@mikejb0329 @tinamarie1974 Your mind is gone so you don’t know who to blame or are you blaming for eating pizza with ketchup?

@OnionSoup drew on you with sunscreen while you were asleep.

@Kidsandliz @mikejb0329 I don’t understand what tires have to do with ketchup pizza.

/giphy missed connection

@jimmyd103 Yeah I had thought maybe they had hidden an irk there like the time they sent us through the website on sidedeals to find them.

@Kidsandliz Yes, I was expecting an easter egg somewhere…

@jimmyd103 I looked for an hour.

@jimmyd103 @sammydog01 I gave it roughly a half an hour. Maybe that was their intent? To mess with us?!?!?

@jimmyd103 @sammydog01 @tinamarie1974 marketing - to push us to look at what they sell elsewhere.

@RiotDemon It’s hard. I am so sorry.

@RiotDemon

Deep profound grief is just a slow and painful thing. Slow by years.

This (your experience) is “normal“ (whatever that might mean when your are hurting); or so I have read, if that piece of info helps at all.

No way out except forward. Sigh.

@OnionSoup is definitely to blame.

@mediocrebot that’s right mediboo my friend, that’s right

@mediocrebot @OnionSoup

You’re the Goat.
So this fuckity fuckup is on you this time.

@OnionSoup totally did it.

@OnionSoup hummm…Over here it was 7th level of hell hot!! And since I do not have a pool, there should be blame assigned.

@OnionSoup totally did it.

@tinamarie1974 if I’m honest it was hot humid and raining here half the day… I just wanted mediocrebot to say something nice about me… Lol.

There was actually a really cool rainbow that hung out in a small clearing in the grey clouds though.

@OnionSoup so I am a bit jealous of your rain ( rain) and the fact that you got an actual rainbow!

You are doing a good job!

@tinamarie1974 I think @OnionSoup must be really powerful. Hotter than hell here too. And it was made worse by me doing laundry in the dog warehouse at the no kill shelter. There were two new baby pups suffering in the heat (they were really far from the big one, no A/C in there) so I sacrificed my fan to them and they moved their little selves as close to it as they could get. And it is supposed to be worse this weekend with a heat index of 110. Sorry no kill shelter I am NOT coming this weekend to do laundry. Especially since the pups will really need my fan (they need more industrial fans there, this one is just a cheapie box fan I had and am not using in my apt so donated it yesterday for the pups - had been bringing it with me each time I went to use -and they don’t last long when on 24/7).

@Kidsandliz @tinamarie1974 poor Pups. Glad they have you looking after them to keep them cool.

Dogs tend to overheat really fast. Its funny, took mine for a walk through woods few weeks ago when in upper 90s and they went through a half gallon of water in a quick hour walk (intended it to be a longer hike but they drank all their water, and my water, too quick so I had to turn back).

Last week took them up a “mountain” (more a big hill really) and it was just a little cooler, took a lot more water for them, couldn’t get them to drink a drop… There seems to be a spot with my dogs in the mid 90’s where they quickly go from “I’m happy being outside, life is perfect” to “oh my dog God, I’m going to die” over just a few degrees.

@Kidsandliz @OnionSoup @tinamarie1974

many mammals only sweat from their noses, or (for dogs and cats, for instance) from noses + paws. Or not at all. This is not enough heat loss to dissipate serious body over-heat, esp during aerobic exertion.

The only other ways they have to dissipate heat excess are by panting, or finding creative external ways to cool off, such as going into water or digging into a cool mudpatch or similar.

They have to drink a bunch not just for hydration, but also to cool themselves by using evaporation from their mouths as an addition to the cooling process of panting.

In the spring, fall, and winter, you can prob exercise a fit dog from one of the “designed for distance” breeds such as huskies for a longish interval at a reasonably good pace. Some huskies who can roam free are said to cover 20 miles of exploration a night.

A husky owner and animal behavior student who lived in an extremely rural area of Vermont or NH used to follow her huskies using her bicycle (during the pre-pet-gps days) to see what they got up to all night long.

It turned out these huskies had doggie and some other critter friends and they would do night meetups. The rest of the time was spent exploring. But even those dogs slowed down if the nights weren’t cool.

Very few mammals can do full body sweat: That’s one reason why so many mammals can’t run for a endurance level distance: they overheat.

So: most mammal predators, for instance, sneak up close in on prey, and then rely on surprise and powerful sprint speeds for the kill.

Two mammals which can do rare full-body sweat are humans and horses (and very near horse relatives). Horses can do a lathery sweat which is supposedly even more efficient for heat-sinking than human sweat is.

This is why horses, if conditioned, are great at endurance speed movement, and this is part of the reason that horses were foundational to civilization.

Imagine how efficient the pony express or traveling by horse or by carriage would have been be if the horses had to walk the entire way, as oxen do.

The human ability to do full body sweat allows us to adapt to heat conditions in a larger range of climates. And also to distance run for all sorts of other reasons: to escape danger, to travel when it’s urgent, to do “persistence hunting” or “endurance hunting” (during which a human or group of humans runs their prey to exhaustion, even tho the animal being chased has high spring speed)

(In persistence hunting, if the hunters can cut out a single animal in an area when the chosen animal can’t find camouflage cover, the humans can run the animal to exhaustion because the animal overheats and can’t go further, and the humans don’t. [If the animal can find significant cover, the hunt fails; because when the prey animal is hidden, it has time to cool down]. Certain desert tribes still practice hunt this way.)

@f00l @Kidsandliz @OnionSoup @tinamarie1974
Interesting you should mention horses being able to sink heat from our exothermic metabolisms (warm-bloodedness) as well as humans.

Someone should put on some kind of long-distance endurance race, like a marathon, between horses and humans.

Oh, wait…

@Kidsandliz @mike808 @OnionSoup @tinamarie1974

Several of these have existed, for decades. Not only in Wales.

When the terrain is equally friendly to horses and humans, horses always win pretty much.

@OnionSoup mentions a race in his new topic that humans sometimes win, possibly due to heat factors.

But the variables can get complex. I doubt heat shedding is the only factor in that race that brings horses and humans to near parity.

I’ll blather more within that topic if I get time.

@f00l @Kidsandliz @mike808 @tinamarie1974 when I checked the wiki page before posting to make sure I had my facts right, it did actually say that after the first race (which horses won by 20 mins) they adjusted the track to be more favourable to humans… So yes, the track is partially rigged to help the humans out… But the difference between when humans get beat and when humans beat horses on that track has been linked to the temperature. The two times humans won were both on days that were unusually hot and the biggest horse wins are always when cold.

I’m not sure what the changes made were to help humans… I’m guessing more narrow paths or rocky mountainous areas. Perhaps steep areas. (Do horses have a hard time on steep inclines?)

Of course, the other advantage given to humans is that the horse has to carry a human across the track. I suspect if the humans had to carry a horse the horses would win EVERY time.

@Kidsandliz @mike808 @OnionSoup @tinamarie1974

: )

I’ll go all bonkers blathering on this in the other topic.

Tl;dr versión:

Heat may be a factor; there are dozens of other possible factors.

@f00l @mike808 @OnionSoup @tinamarie1974
Of course if centaurs were real… that would complicate this significantly.
/image centaur

@f00l @Kidsandliz @OnionSoup @tinamarie1974
TL;DR addendum:
And the contest is rigged to equalize the prospects of either species winning.

No horses participated in any contest rule change deliberations nor any decision-making quorum in the above alleged “equalizations”. /s

@f00l @Kidsandliz @mike808 @tinamarie1974 if fauns are allowed they would win any marathon set in purely mountainous terrain.

@f00l @mike808 @OnionSoup @tinamarie1974 Well yes of course you’d say fauns/satyrs would win as you are the goat. (grin)

@OnionSoup drew on you with sunscreen while you were asleep.

@OnionSoup wears socks with sandals.

@ruouttaurmind
Speaking of curling stones, …

All Olympic curling stones come from the Scottish island, Alisa Craig, better known for being the backdrop of the Trump Turnberry golf course.

The island’s unique granite is both smooth enough to glide on ice and strong enough to withstand damage from collisions with other heavy stones.

@mike808 Tha, tha sin ceart! The sport itself originated in Scotland in the 1500s.

@ruouttaurmind Well that is sure user unfriendly and at the same time will make them more money. Too bad your company can’t vote with their wallet.

@Kidsandliz Unfortunately Adobe Creative Cloud is the industry standard and the only viable option. QuarkXPress is the ages old standard for desktop publishing, but has fallen way, way behind the Adobe juggernaut. So, ya, captive audience.

@ruouttaurmind Well that sucks. And they sure are taking advantage of that rigging it so they make more money. What a pain for you.

@ruouttaurmind I read this:

but I feel bad for you and I hope it gets better.

TL;DR version for @sammydog01:

Adobe sucks and they’re messing with my production capabilities!

@ruouttaurmind @sammydog01

I’m so sorry. Yes adobe’s a nasty company when it wants to be.

Can you find a file-server workaround? Or has Adobe just blocked all the options.?

I’d have thought this isssue would have been a huge topic in the publishing industry chatter for the recent while? Or is this an Adobe sudden-attack move that just hit everyone?

@f00l Not really sudden. They released the update which killed this capability at the end of 2018. But I am a bit of a version update snob. If everything is working as is, I don’t choose to move on to the latest and greatest versions. Interaction between data formats and applications and fonts and legacy file support is precarious at best of times. Pushing our luck with new versions every other month isn’t prudent. If there is some new feature we really need, I will install the update on an isolated system and test it for a few weeks before moving forward with a mass rollout. It was only by a series of errors and a new employee this update managed to escape into the wild.

I have been around and around with creative solutions to my Creative Cloud dilemma. Different file sharing protocols on the MacOS Server (SMB, AFP, NFS, FTP), I even tried P2P sharing hosted by Win and MacOS systems. Adobe insists only their cloud storage solution is supported.

My problem with cloud storage, aside from the added operating expense, is the reliability of our link to the outside world. Here in Mayberry, our only options for this office are ADSL with a max 2Mpbs upstream speed (totally inadequate bandwidth and spotty reliability), or WISP. So I am stuck with WISP provided by a local company with adequate bandwidth and spotty reliability. If we are storing everything in the cloud, and our link to the outside world drops out during the business day, it not only affects our ability to continue working on production activities, but potentially causes hours of lost edits or content creation. Corrupted files and inability to save locally if a server drops out is not at all uncommon with Indesign.

Anyway… that rant sort of got away from me. Sry.

@ruouttaurmind

No that’s cool that you explained.

I just thought, if industry chatter had gone all over this for a while and you have the time to follow that, you’d prob have a idea about your options or whether you have any.

IE can this be hacked to a degree?

If you are using WISP, do you have ADSL as a backup?
How large are these files?

I agree w you on slow application version updates in the absence of a serious security prob.

Are these files sizes that could function over LTE or 5g for data xfer? Is 5g available there? Any ETA?

Would it be worth running a custom-laid dedicated data cable of some sort? Does that possibility even exist in your loc?

If I were running a biz, I surely would not want Adobe managed cloud backup to be my only backup.

FWIW, there’s some nerd expertise far beyond my pitiful knowledge here.

Why not create a topic, see if you can bring the rad binary&hex-breathers out into the open?
Someone might have a thought or two.

@f00l I committed to WISP. The combined cost for ADSL/WISP plus associated intranet infrastructure would be cost prohibitive. The same reason I dismissed a dedicated microwave ISP and bringing out a fiber line. Also, local permitting for both those options would be its own challenge.

5G is live in very select core areas of Phoenix 45 miles away, but service here is slated for “future expansion”. Probably the day after the promised WiMAX service goes live.

I’m not sure if LTE would provide the required bandwidth, but we use a boatload of data. I’m sure high usage commercial LTE packages exist, but honestly I never considered it. With our current configuration, a loss of connectivity to the world isn’t a showstopper. We have full access to our data and can continue to work while Gomer Pyle from Wally’s filling station gets the ISP back online, typically within 30-60 minutes. We had a 26 hour interruption a few years ago, but that was the exception. The usual interruption which occurs a few times a day is less than a minute. Just enough to totally screw up a live edit and corrupt a file if the file lives in the cloud. Short enough few in the office even notice aside from their Facebook page taking an excruciating time to load.

Data size? There is no such thing as “typical”. A newsletter or hospitality brochure is only a few hundred MB, while a richly illustrated text book or technical reference or glossy magazine will push 1TB. There could be a couple TB of collaterals of inbound material which we use to compile a large book.

@ruouttaurmind

So the data lives in the cloud permanently per the new Adobe protocols
and your edits and creations and all that go straight immediately to the cloud
they don’t get transmitted as back ups at intervals

do I understand correctly?

Damn.

I was trying to imagine using a VPN to home with a server at home
and then using that server and your home Internet connection to talk to Adobe
but that won’t help if the connection between work and home is iffy

I think I’d create a topic for this in your shoes

there’s some really experienced people around who might have some decent ideas

@f00l the VPN option doesn’t skirt Adobes fileserver restraint. To use the VPN solution you describe I would need each workstation in the office to RAS to a corresponding workstation at my house which would then communicate with Adobe Cloud for file access. The in-office workstations, in essence, become dumb terminals to control the remote workstation at my house which is where the actual Adobe apps would be running. Zero sum benefit to this configuration. I’m still saddled by the Adobe Cloud file service and spotty ISP in the office. Plus, now I’ve introduced a performance suck in the form of a VPN tunnel.

To your first point, yes you’ve got the gist of how the Adobe Cloud storage thingy integrates. Everything lives at Adobe. Only the actual executable app lives in my office. So we create a new project file and save it in the InDesign app, choosing cloud storage as the location. In CAN be saved to the local storage drive, but then nobody else can open it from another workstation.

@ruouttaurmind

my thought wasn’t about terminals:

was that if you didn’t have solid communication between your work setting and a file server or network server located elsewhere, then the cloud issue would still be just as big a problem

I’ve got several basic issues that I can see from my limited knowledge and perspective

First that the new Adobe policies are really obnoxious and there’s probably no way to get around it

Second that the new Adobe policies are technically obnoxious to use specifically at your work location and your bottleneck is your iffy ISP connection to your work loc and I don’t know a fix for that or a way around it

And adobe is totally doing a power and money grab here and is trying to force you into their vertical integration system and not allow you to make your own choices or rely on your own infrastructure

and that sucks

And there are some reliability and security questions Regarding if their forcing you onto their cloud
Heart from the bandwidth and connectivity problems

: (

@f00l I think we’re mostly on the same page. My ISP infrastructure prevents me from just becoming another Adobe sheeple. Beyond that, I object to being forced into relying on their systems to operate the most important tools in my business. Even if I had rock solid internet connectivity I still would object to this forced move to external reliance.

I saw the writing on the wall when MS first started rolling out cloud based Office subscriptions. When Adobe discontinued their Creative Suite line and introduced Creative Cloud I dug my heels in and nursed QuarkXPress for years (an actual application I bought and owned).

But eventually the industry standard disowned Quark and embraced Creative Cloud and I was dragged into the bleak future, kicking and screaming the whole way. Imagine my sorrow when I write a check every damn month to Adobe to “rent” their programs. $45 per workstation per month every damn month forever. Or at least until the price increases to $65 per workstation.

@ruouttaurmind

And your biz would suffer if you used an alternative.

Or there is no real alternative.

: (

@OnionSoup totally did it.

@Kidsandliz
Thankfully, the voters of my state had enough of the batshit crazy football fans running for local school boards and forcing earlier and earlier school start dates on everyone else just so their beloved coaches could officially start practice without violating NCAA eligibility rules. i.e. get the most practices in before games started in the fall and end before Christmas Winter break.

Last year the state passed legislation to require that school start much, much later. It was almost fucking July last year. August 24th this year.

Section 171.031 of Missouri statute requires each school district’s opening date be no earlier than 14 calendar days before the first Monday in September. This year, that date is Aug. 24.

@OnionSoup drew on you with sunscreen while you were asleep.

@OldCatLady ghosts?

@OnionSoup wears socks with sandals.

@OldCatLady I’m so sorry. It’s not the end of the world, merely an inconvenience, but the timing sucks beyond belief. I offer blame up myself for this.

Stay safe, stay well.

@OnionSoup wears socks with sandals.

@OldCatLady Sounds like you need to avoid all things that involve water… first the fridge ice maker, then the toilet. The question is what’s next. Let’s hope not your own private lake in the living room. Seriously though that sucks.

@Kidsandliz @Shrdlu Thanks! My miracle worker handyperson will put the new one in tomorrow. I believe I’ll do a prophylactic replacement of the 17 year old water heater, too. This seems to be a viral water appliance disease, plus very hard water.

@OldCatLady Smart to replace the water heater before you have a catastrophe.

I lived two places where the bottom fell off the water heater (rust). In luck the first time as it was in the basement so while there was water all over, not the kind of mess on a cement floor as it could have been. Had to hurry to move crap off the floor though.

Not in luck the second time as it was a one story house and right next to the kitchen and dinning room. With the foundation problem that place had it flowed to the living room too before I could get the water shut off in the yard (no indoor shut off). Meanwhile every blanket, sheet, towel I owned was on the floor trying to stop the flow.

Fortunately both times I was home when it happened.

@Kidsandliz That reminds me to change my washer hoses. Once I went on a work trip for a week, and a hose blew out the first day.

@Kidsandliz @OldCatLady regarding washer lines. Braided stainless is the best but ideally you should have valves right at the washer you can turn on/off when doing a load. Rubber lines absorb a lot of water hammer because the solenoids in a washer close so fast and they are the most flexible. which is why they are sucebtible to failures. If they are off when you aren’t doing a load… No issues.

They do sell some “shock absorbers” for that but I’ve only used one once at our shelters pressure washer cause you could hear it every time they released the trigger. and they kept breaking the hose… So I put in a short length stainless braided cable and water hammer arrestor on the usually fixed pressure washer and fixed the hose to use for low pressure stuff. I am ashamed to admit I haven’t gone in a few years but it seemed to be working.

You should ways close the main valve if going away for longer than a day. If you have a well you should close the valve and flip off the well pump breaker

@Kyeh Congratulations all over the place! Messing with plumbing is HARD sometimes. I never have the right washer on hand, but plenty of wrong ones. I’m awed.

@OldCatLady Thank you! I was really lucky this time!

That’s @OnionSoup’s fault.

@CaptAmehrican were you out on a boat today?

@OnionSoup drew on you with sunscreen while you were asleep.

I do feel like I should quality this a little. You should never. Ever. Ever. Rely on your emergency brakes if they are not regularly used and maintained. Most people with autos never use them so they aren’t going to work. If you are lucky they might lock open in an emergency. They will probably freeze cause never used.

More than likely they will fail to engage. These were never used right. When I bought this beater. Just parking and them not releasing destroyed them because they could not release/engage properly. .
Desintegrated the emergency brake hardware and the back plate and wrapped one pad on top of the other.

When the main brakes were working.

Because of that I had just replaced everything including back plates(had to pull both axels)/rotars/pads/hardware and used ceramic grease/high quality lube every where.

If your pedal goes to the floor hold it there. Hard. Pull over. Hit your emergency break as hard as you can with the other foot. Call a tow truck.

Some people just say screw a parking break or rip it out. I say use it and maintain it and it will always be there

@unksol I believe it’s also used to make moonshiner turns.

@OldCatLady lol that’s what a manual and a proper hand brake are for… And I may have abused my saturn a little in cornfields in 2004-2007 at work. Good luck doing that with an auto/foot brake.

But my poor little 99 SL Saturn. Had a bad rod knock after 250K miles. So in my great wisdom I picked up a 97 expedition… The first year they were made. Always an issue. But it was $400 and worth $300 scrap…

And runs fine after a few fixes of neglect. And this new issue… Which will be fixed… And I will probably use it to retrieve a new engine for the Saturn. Cause nothing beats driving stick and getting 40 mpg. But having something to haul is good too.

@OldCatLady @unksol

But having something to haul is good too.

Yes I’d agree 100%. Today I passed a very nice portable basketball hoop thing on the curb. I would have needed a pick up truck though to take it up to my daughter. I couldn’t figure out how to fit it in the minivan even if it were to stick some of it out the hatch, not to mention I had no rope in there to attach it to the roof rack. Note to self - put rope in minivan.

@Kidsandliz get one if those tubs of bungee cords ala rural king or whatever is around and keep them in the back.
https://www.ruralking.com/gripon-30-piece-bungee-cord-set-28400

Clearly be extremely careful with something hanging out but as long as you don’t let it hang back when you accelerate and it’s flagged if needed… You just don’t want it acting independentanly of your vehicle. You’d be surprised how many 2x4 you can pack in a Saturn. Ignore the gas can it was on sale too

@unksol having had a stick Saturn for several years, I WOULD be surprised that you could get ANY 2x4 in there.
I liked my Saturn. Til the wheel fell off.

@JnKL did you not have the fold down back seats that went through to the truck? I got quiet a bit of lumber in her although sometimes I hit it shifting into 5th at 30 mph. 10 foot drainage tubes you can’t quiet shut the trunk then it’s bungee time. Then there was the option of redlining her just for fun and chirping tires going into second. She’s not dead yet… drove her yesterday. Has lots of scars and a bad rod knock at 250k+ miles. But I might keep her alive with a doner engine since they are cheap and sooo easy to swap. Bought her in 2004 for $1650 right before college…

@unksol Well that photo is impressive!

With that basketball stand I’d have to take it 50 miles, much of it on 70mph or 55mph roads and no real alternative that I can find on a map. I’d be afraid to do that at those speeds. Bungie cords are a good idea instead of, or in addition to, rope.

@Kidsandliz I took the drainage pipes up I 69 at 75mph multiple times with the trunk open/bungied… but they are extremely light.

Although a portable hoop is not super heavy… Unless it’s filled with sand. And if it’s not… it would be awkward standing there waiting for the water to drain…

And if not secured could cause an accident

@unksol Well now a day later it is probably gone so a moot point (I’ll have to call my friend and ask her to look down the street before I’d drive 12 miles back). But at least in the future I will travel prepared!

@Kidsandliz @unksol omg was there room for you in the Saturn?

@Kidsandliz @tinamarie1974 yes plenty. You put them in at an angle from the back left to the front right. With one on the dash. Lay the passenger seat flat . Then you just line them up/on top/to the side You have to go diagonal. It’s really not a big deal/done it a ton of times over the years. Haven’t actually hauled any thing in the expedition beater yet. But if one of you lovely ladies want a ride in a 21 year old dying Saturn I can move my… Wait nope

@Kidsandliz @unksol I had a sweet SC1 back in the day. It was a red number with a sunroof. Loved that thing

@tinamarie1974 @unksol Hey I had, from it’s “birth”, a dying 25 year old grand caravan… died at 25 and 3 mo.

@tinamarie1974 but was it a stick lol I’d never had as much fun with it or enjoyed fixing it if it was an auto. Despite all the cursing at bolts.

@unksol so first correction. It was the SC2. The little two door sporty car. And it was automatic got it off the showroom floor. My first new car.

@tinamarie1974 booo cause auto… Yay cause Saturn

@unksol well I don’t know how to drive a stickshift and I didn’t want to learn on a brand new car. Not opposed to learning but would really prefer to learn on a beater I cannot hurt too much.

@tinamarie1974 @unksol It is pretty easy to learn. What is a little harder is going from being stopped to starting back up again when you are going up hill. Then sometimes you drift backwards a bit (although that can be solved with a judicious applicant of the hand brake). When I learned to drive for the first time it was with a clutch. Took about 4 or 5 tries to have a smooth start.

@Kidsandliz @tinamarie1974 the clutch on a Saturn is extremely forgiving. Idk if it’s just because its such a light weight car… Or… Dad tried to teach me the hand brake on a hill. When we bought it. Never used it since. on much steeper hills. The clutch let up is enough to hold you while you switch pedals/get her moving.

Id teach Tina how to drive my stick. Wait nope nope that sounds bad again

@tinamarie1974 @unksol Well if you did the stick at the witching hour on Halloween maybe doesn’t sound as bad?

Actually after a couple of weeks of practice when I was first learning to drive I pretty much had the clutch and gas balance pretty well figured out for flat and hill. There was one really steep hill though that I added the hand brake to the mix just in case.

What is a pain in the butt with a clutch is in traffic jams where you have to keep switching between going dead slow and basically a parking lot.

@Kidsandliz @tinamarie1974 lol I meant the phrasing sounded bad
/youtube phrasing

@tinamarie1974 @unksol This meh… if this was going to go sideways where else did you expect this conversation to go? (grin)

@Kidsandliz @unksol

/giphy oh my

@Kidsandliz @tinamarie1974 @unksol
Bonus points for getting to stick some Archer in there. Boom!

@Kidsandliz @tinamarie1974 @unksol
/image eau my!

That’s what she said.

@mike808 @tinamarie1974 @unksol meant to type “This is meh” not “This meh”… it was early. I was tired and two cats were not.

Oh and this is the blame thread so blame!

@OnionSoup totally did it.

@Kidsandliz @mike808 @tinamarie1974 stick Archer? Phrasing. Boom

@Kidsandliz wait were you doing a “this… is… sparta” joke? It def does not work without the is. Helps with the Gerald Butler.

/youtube this is Sparta!

@OnionSoup is definitely to blame.

@Kidsandliz
Fuck it. Upgrade.
Sam’s has a 12-pack.

Ponder the irony. 'Murica!

@mike808 I’d have fat boy soup in under 2 minutes at the shelter. Of course if I were to be able to find that brand around here and ate enough I’d never become a fat boy anyway so I am probably safe.

@Kidsandliz @mike808 well… Who in their right mind likes a skinny woman?

@unksol

@OnionSoup totally did it.

@tinamarie1974 I’m so sorry. That never improves a day. Of course it just had to be Saturday.

@OldCatLady well, that is better than a work day. I am able to leave and run to my parents and the repair guy will call when he is on his way. Lets hope it is not expensive and is under warranty

@tinamarie1974 No A/C in the middle of a heat wave is truly miserable even without increasing the odds of getting a migraine! Hope it is under warranty. Hope it gets fixed today!

@Kidsandliz @oldcatlady Happy to report that the technician just left. The part was under warranty, he had one in the truck (thank god) and because he felt sorry for me he didn’t bill me the Saturday charge. So $99 dollars for a service call and my house is down to a tepid 79 degrees and dropping!

I am happily sitting in the living room with two fans blowing and the a/c chugs away!

@OldCatLady @tinamarie1974 That is fantastic that it was under warranty, the part was on the truck, he came quickly and didn’t charge you a surcharge.

@Kidsandliz @OldCatLady I was a very lucky girl!

@tinamarie1974

So glad it’s fixed.
Hope the migraines get under control, or, better, take a hike.

@mike808 that is pretty awesome

POPSOCKETS! SPA KITS! POLLY POCKETS! AWESOME!

Well cool. Water’s back on. Very, very low water pressure though (so no idea if it will stay on). But this isn’t drinkable even if you did boil it LOL (not).

To be fair it is marginally - but only marginally - lighter after letting it run for a few minutes. I’ll just leave the kitchen sink on for a while and see what happens.

@Kidsandliz Euw, yuck!

Blame. Water is still light brown (much better than the above photo now though) and still low pressure. Guess they aren’t done finding and fixing leaks.

@OnionSoup is definitely to blame.

@OnionSoup totally did it.

That’s @OnionSoup’s fault.

@Kyeh I was afraid that would happen. Sorry

@tinamarie1974 I wanted to think the decision on the cats was just due to him being worried and over-protective, but his blocking me has convinced me that he’s just an ass; probably lied about why the university kicked him out too.

@Kyeh @tinamarie1974 What a giant pain. If no one wants it trying to get rid of it that way maybe a no kill shelter will come get it from you (I know one of the ones around here would). Or your friend with the pick up could help. I know the one I currently volunteer at they find things left at the gate fairly often. Goodwill and places like that usually will just throw it out because it isn’t washable and you said smells a bit. A no kill shelter won’t care as some of their cats will just spray on it anyway.

@Kidsandliz @tinamarie1974 The only shelter in my town is the Humane Society, and it’s fancy! The friend who helped me has an ancient van and he’s a small guy, used to be very strong but age has caught up with him, so no, I’m not willing to rope him in again. Although he said that if nobody takes it
we can cut it up and put it in the trash piece by piece. But I’m hoping that some students might want it.

@Kyeh ok I actually put in an application on a mixed breed hound puppy today. I should hear something in the next 72 hours. Had to give two mlm personal references and my vet info. Now I wait…

@tinamarie1974

@Kyeh @tinamarie1974 Hey you could have used us as references. We’d tell them you have already been stocking up on shoes for the puppy to chew on (grin). Actually hope it doesn’t. What prompted you to take the leap now? The cam of the puppies?

@Kidsandliz @Kyeh oh puppy will not be getting in the fancy closet. I have been looking at rescue sites for month but nothing spoke to me. When I checked today I saw a super cute little guy and something in my head said, yup I want to get him! So lets see if I get him.

@Kyeh @tinamarie1974 Hope he turns out to be everything you hope. Have you met him in person or just via the photo?

@tinamarie1974 Yay!!! What kind? Oh, I guess you said mixed breed hound - but can you describe it to us? I so hope you get it!

@Kyeh I don’t want to jinx myself. If/when I get him I will post a pic to introduce him to everyone. Basically 12 wks old and 13 lbs. If I get him they will not release him to me until the week of Aug 10th.

@Kidsandliz have not met him yet, just a pic. After checking w the vet and my references if they still think I am a good candid they will set up a home visit @ my house. I would get to meet him at that point. It seems quite involved, but I guess it is important to ensure these doggies are going to good homes.

@Kidsandliz @tinamarie1974 !!!

@Kyeh @tinamarie1974 We just had adoption anniversary cupcakes for our hound mix today.

@sammydog01 @tinamarie1974 Photos? Please?

@Kyeh @tinamarie1974 the most fun thing about mixed breed dogs, especially if parents’ breeds are unknown, is doing the DNA tests to find out what they actually are.

We had some surprises with ours. Really, I think personality matters everything and actual breed matters nothing… but shelters and rescues label dogs what they think will get adopted; not what they think or know the dogs to actually be.

Our Lab/ Border Collie mix has 0% Lab and 0% Border Collie DNA. (we didn’t think she looked like either of those breeds - and her mother, who we also met, clearly looked like a pit-mix; I’m sure the adoption place just thought “lab mix” would make the dog more adoptable).

Super sweet dog though, and that’s all that matters.

@Kyeh @OnionSoup I would agree about the personality! When I was a kid a couple of my uncles got my sister and I a cocker spaniel mix from the pound for easter. Ole Randy kept growing and growing. He could WALK over fences and would climb a tree in the back and sit in the fork to just hang out. Turns out that spaniel was a saluki!

/image cocker spaniel

/image saluki

@Kyeh @tinamarie1974 I love Spaniels…

That said, not heard of Saluki before. They look awesome , like a prettier version of a greyhound.

DIPLOMAT! RAT-A-TAT! FAT CAT! AWESOME!

@mediocrebot no medie… that should be fat dog not fat cat.

@Kyeh @OnionSoup Randy was a super smart dog. He would learn how to do things on the first try, but then like a cat would only repeat the process if he felt like it.

So things like fetch, yup picked it up immediately. Fetched the ball a few times and that was it. Would look at you like like, get it yourself or stop throwing it.

Also very good with kids. Poor guy was dressed up in my sisters clothes more than a few times and he would just let us do it!

@Kyeh @tinamarie1974 yeah, we’ve got two dogs.

One of them lives to please people. She’s easy to teach all sorts of tricks from “sit” to “bang” (shooting with fingers so that she rolls over dead) because she really wants to please. I don’t think she’s especially intelligent, she just is eager to learn what makes us happy. On walks she immediately knows to sit and wait before crossing any road.

Our other dog knows all the same tricks but doesn’t do them with regularity. She knows to sit before crossing a street too but I have to tell her to every single time, and occasionally have to give her butt a gentle pat to make her sit.

She learns commands so much quicker than the other dog (when there are treats going) but she forgets them when the treats are gone. (Praise isn’t much of a reward to her). She knows what I want her to do, but unlike her sister, she lives to please herself, not her humans. She can be a nightmare on walks because she doesn’t follow commands as well, she’s very impulsive, and I can’t even bribe her with treats… She refuses to accept treats when on a walk for some reason. (She also refuses to poop or pee on a walk… She holds it until she gets home)… She can be super sweet, very gentle and nurturing with the kitten and loves everyone… But she isn’t stupid, she’s not going to follow commands if it doesn’t please her.

@mediocrebot @OnionSoup

that should be fat dog not fat cat

No, skinny dog.

@OnionSoup @tinamarie1974 That Saluki is a gorgeous creature!

@Kyeh @OnionSoup they are beautiful and very gentle

@Kidsandliz @Kyeh @sammydog01 well i don’t THINK I will be getting the puppy. Received a call yesterday that I am #2 on the list behind a family that would have him as their 2nd dog. They will be doing a home visit with the pup tomorrow and I will only get a call if he was not a fit for their family.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@Kidsandliz @sammydog01 @tinamarie1974 Oh, bummer … but there’s still a chance?

@Kyeh @sammydog01 @tinamarie1974 Well that stinks big time. Hope you haven’t invested in dog stuff yet.

@Kidsandliz @Kyeh @sammydog01 no I haven’t got anything yet. I prefer to take the dog to the store to see what he prefers i.e. toys, beds. And you have to fit them for their collar.

@Kidsandliz @Kyeh @sammydog01 hum… there was another sweet rescue on line so I thought ok I will apply for this little guy. Literally applied within 5 mins of the post going up. No dice. This is crazy!

@Kidsandliz @Kyeh @tinamarie1974 The SPCA here is full of hound mixes and pitbulls although the little puppies probably go quickly. And as long as you haven’t been convicted of domestic violence you can have your pick. Cora was around a year old and house trained. Puppies are adorable but a ton of work- we debated but I chickened out.

@Kidsandliz @Kyeh @sammydog01 they seem to be scarce around here for some reason and I am being picky about which pup I want (size, breed mix, grooming, etc). Could be part of the issue

The rescue I applied with for both dogs claim they do not adopt first come first served, rather based upon vet and reference checks as well as home visits. But since I have an excellent relationship with my vet and I am currently home basically 24 hrs a day with a fenced yard, etc I don’t see how I would not be a good candidate.

Oh well I guess they were not meant to be. Phuf…

@tinamarie1974 Hey, I’d adopt you. Oh, you’re talking about dogs…

@Barney

@Barney @tinamarie1974 We wanted a lab mix. They said Cora was a lab mix. We went to visit. She obviously wasn’t a lab mix. We took her home anyway.

On the plus side her fur is practically teflon. And she snuggles.

@Kyeh @sammydog01 @tinamarie1974 I don’t know where you live, but the shelter I volunteer for ships pups (puppies and adults) up north to several places who then place them. Some leave here already placed. I could talk to the person on my end to pre-place a puppy with you if you happen to like the looks of what we have here. Last week about half of them went north. We have about 14 or 15 young to very young (including around 8 or 9 still nursing) in the place right now. I could take photos.

I watch 9 of them tussle with each other as they are in two big cages right by the washers. The lot of them seem gentle and playful. The nursing babies I have only seen through a window and there is one pup in with the cats in one of the cat rooms for some reason. I have no clue what mixes they are as I don’t know dog breeds very well.

Whisper me if this is something you might be interested in. I also know that Peggy has arranged transports in the past to some out of state people (some transports are free and some cost money - it depends on the transport - if you were getting them from one of the shelters we deal with all you’d be paying is their adoption fee).

@Kyeh @sammydog01 @tinamarie1974 Some of the puppies dogs at the shelter. The one water container is a smaller cat dirt box - there was a bigger one in there but the pups would use it as a swimming pool.

@Kidsandliz @Kyeh @sammydog01 oh my gosh! So many sweet babies

@Kyeh @sammydog01 @tinamarie1974 And there are more, although I think about 1/2 of them are committed to up north, the rest we hope will be adopted locally or sent up north too. The states these guys go to have stronger (we don’t have any) spay and neuter laws and apparently have a chronic shortage of animals for adoption.

@ruouttaurmind

/giphy gag reflex

@tinamarie1974 I realized today: the only thing worse than being forced to wear a mask is being forced to wear a mask on the surface of the sun.

@ruouttaurmind omg I cannot imagine. I have found that I have issues wearing a mask outside in the Lou, which is not as hot. Makes me nauseous.

Tell me, why do you enjoy living in the seventh level of hell?

@tinamarie1974 Six or seven weeks a year of hell, 45 weeks of glorious clear skies and lovely temperatures. Nothing is free or perfect.

The desert is beautiful, I live less than a 2 hour drive to the ski slopes and alpine forests. Best of all, I’ve heard about this thing called “humidity” but I’m not totally sure what it is.

@ruouttaurmind @tinamarie1974

That weather would seem to be very painful to be out and around in.

But you do seem to be fairly well adapted and reconciled to it

How well is mom doing in dealing with the heat?

Is long dried paint starting to melt yet?

@f00l The paint doesn’t melt, but asphalt blacktop certainly does. The streets in my neighborhood were repaved about a month ago and this afternoon when I walked across the street to my mailbox I left footprints embossed into the blacktop.

Mom is hanging in there. Last year I moved her here at the beginning of July. That was a real eye opener for her. So she already had an idea what she is in for. She’s still recovering from her surgeries so she’s pretty much housebound in the air conditioning anyway. The only real shocker for her is when I pile her into the truck and haul her off to doctors and oncology appointments. The truck is usually just starting to cool off by the time we reach our destinations.

@ruouttaurmind @tinamarie1974 You forgot to mention how beautiful the blooming cactus are after the rare rain. I once drove to LA and it rained in the desert not so many days earlier. It was gorgeous. Driving home it was back to “normal”. So glad I had seen it after the rain.

@ruouttaurmind all good points, and although no humidity would be glorious, when temps get over 100 degrees it is miserable regardless. Thank goodness for a/c!

@tinamarie1974 I hear ya, but I don’t totally agree on the temp/humidity thing. When it’s 104* and 6% humidity it’s surprisingly tolerable. Not exactly like you’re gonna want to be out standing in the sun, but relaxing in the shade with a cool beverage it’s very tolerable. Especially if there’s a light breeze.

@ruouttaurmind that is true. When I worked in Mexico I seem to remember 115-120 days w little to no humidity. I can recall trying to dodge the sun and finding shade when I would walk from the office to our mfg warehouse for that reason. I still didn’t prefer it, I am very light skinned (irish complexion) and I would burn oh so quickly in the sun

@ruouttaurmind @tinamarie1974 The first time I ever crossed the street to walk in the shade was in the summer in Waco, Tx. I was at a carillon conference there and at least being outside to listen to the concerts we could stand or sit under trees… but walking down the street - that was something else (of course my reference point at that time was the upper midwest so the difference in temperatures was pretty significant).

@Kidsandliz @ruouttaurmind @tinamarie1974

Waco would not be hot anything like Phoenix gets but it will have high humidity a lot of the time in summer

And sunstroke potential could be a real thing in summer there

@f00l Probably something like when I would go to TN and work on the farm. 95* and 85% humidity. No wonder everybody there does everything at a modest pace.

@CaptAmehrican saw this and thought of you @onionsoup

@ruouttaurmind damn what did you do to that tire?!!?!

@ruouttaurmind

Oops.

I’ve had tires that looked a bit like that one.

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