Entitlement
68I do not understand why people act like Meh owes them something. Like, everything is so unfair unless you get one.
Why? Why do you deserve a Fuku, or really any product at all? Meh doesn't have to exist. Be thankful it does. Otherwise we'd be stuck filling in crossword puzzles for Woot. Meh doesn't have to give you anything or sell you anything. Their servers reserve the right to refuse service. For some reason, some people act like the universe grants them a right to use this website and that they deserve every deal they want. What makes you so special?
Was the Captcha bullshit? Yep. It was. Do the recent sellouts suck? You bet they do. You know what else sucks? Rush hour traffic. People who don't hold the door open when my hands are full. Mindless paperwork. Life is full of suck. You endure the suck because of the end result. At the end of the traffic you get home for the day. The paperwork is part of a job which pays you money. Meh is a site with deals. Some deals suck. Some don't. You endure the suck for the diamonds in the rough.
I see some people posting that they are quitting this site or giving up or getting tired of this.... please don't let the door hit you on the way out. You are not entitled to anything, particularly on a site called "meh". Life is full of things that suck, if you cannot handle adding one more, I would suggest you go back to your regularly scheduled suckage. Plus, there will be more deals and fukus for the rest of us.
OH! One more thing! People who keep bringing up "fairness". Deals don't start at a time that's fair for everyone. Server crashes are unfair. Reality check: Life is unfair, what makes you think the internet is this land of fairness and magic happiness? The people who are motivated and driven get ahead in life. Those are also the people who check the site at midnight every day. The early bird gets the worm. Cheer up suckers.
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Another K tells people to leave. Why am I not surprised?
@neuromancer The kickstarters funded this site knowing exactly what it would be. We don't want a site that makes "everyone" happy. We want a site that has really good deals. The end. When you make "everyone" happy, you get Woot. Meh made it clear at the start they are not for everyone when they posted their profanity-laced deal writeup. If you want a site for "everyone" go to Woot. Meh is not for everyone.
Another pointless comment by @neuromancer. Why am I not surprised?....If you want to have a Vendetta against the Kickstarters, by all means, go for it...but at least make it entertaining like @unixrab. Your vendetta is just sad, l'm sure people feel bad, I don't, but I'm sure some do.
@neuromancer He's not telling people to leave...he's saying it's ok if they go. As always, not all things are for all people. Persisting in a place where you are unhappy, railing at making it different makes sense if you're fighting inhumane treatment. If it's a public website...well. You have issues.
@neuromancer I'm just replying because I'm a Kickstarter backer and you seem to be jealous sooo there =P
@Collin1000 Yup. Sadly, though, they've already started to cave on the kickstarter promises. (social media - boooooo)
@Mavyn I'm just pointing out that K badges are the reverse ambassadors of Meh.
@Collin1000 wow. That sounds like YOU have a sense of entitlement! Quel suprise.
@neuromancer No, you're beating a dead horse.
@Mavyn
@mehybe not jealous. I saw the Kickstarter and opted to not contribute. I didn't think the site would really make it. Still not sure TBH.
@neuromancer
@neuromancer I would have been a kickstarter. I want a K badge.
@neuromancer maybe it bothers you more than it should?
@unixrab
@unixrab the badge wasn't an advertised benefit. Just the Fuku and/or day zero access.
@unixrab I call BS on this. You didn't even want a VMP badge for free.
@Collin1000 I don't know, Woot's not for me anymore, so maybe I'm not everyone? :)
@neuromancer "I saw the Kickstarter and opted to not contribute. I didn't think the site would really make it. " Failing to support something, griping about it and those those who do support it and then saying "I told you so" if it fails isn't prophetic.
@DaveInSoCal Try harder! @neuromancer I don't remotely deserve one... but I want one all the same. Life should be fair. @cengland0 Look... you want to walk around (post around) with a "idiot" badge hanging off your username --- be my guest... but I want the K badge NOW! Make it happen or I will never buy anything again because the start time is not convenient for me and the servers are too slow and I'm a good customer, but I'll eventually give up if I'm not catered to...
@moondrake I'm not griping about anything other than the K badges being less-than-nice to the newer members who are trying to join in on the fun!
@neuromancer this is what it was like to go to school when you were my age. :-) cray cray!
@neuromancer If new members want to join the fun we are more than welcoming, but not so much when they come in with a self-righteous sense of entitlement talking about fairness and demanding changes to suit their personal schedule. Also, starting another new thread about supposed un-fairness instead of adding to one of the already existing plethora of posts on the same topic reeks of selfishness and an "all about me" attitude that doesn't make a good first impression.
@neuromancer I have a K badge, and I am nice. It may be the additude of those newer members that are the issue. The expectation that if something goes on sale for very cheap, they have the right to purchase that item. Where as most of us K's have been around for a while and are aware that it's a crap-shoot. If you want to get the deals, do as I do. Set an alarm for 3 minutes prior to the new items posted, get yourself ready, and F5 the hell out of the page until the new item pops. Then, cross your fingers. Good luck on your future shopping endeavors!
@neuromancer It tends to be this way (although it usually takes longer), where new members come in asking what they think are perfectly reasonable questions and older members jump on them because that topic has been hashed over and over. On my Great Dane owners group, asking about dog food is forbidden because it will awaken a dormant shitstorm of kibble vs raw fed controversy. On my old camera group, no one was allowed to discuss whether Nikon or Canon was better for the same reason. It's unfortunate when a newbie gets their head bitten off, but it's also tiresome for the veteran members to have to rehash the same old feuds. Hopefully everyone here can keep a civil tone and try to have fun.
@moondrake sooooo Nikon RULEZ and KIBBLE FTW!!!
@moondrake But a dog and camera forum can survive with a bunch of old-timers sitting around bashing on whatever newbies wander in. This is a venue for a sales medium, and I doubt the same 5-6000 people will provide enough sales to keep the operation profitable. Also, just because its common to see people act like dicks on a forum doesn't mean its okay.
@neuromancer They wouldn't do it this way if it wasn't a tried and true model. Woot.com proved it... meh.com is the model unhinged - The same way as unpopular (yet successful) models (like talk conservative AM [am??] AM radio) dwarf their competitors, this model works.... that is not to say that this model pleases everyone. It does not. What I'm saying is... more people like this model than don't and it's just a fact. gotta deal w/it and move on
@Bogie LOL My fiance yelled at me for doing just that...
@moondrake Vegan groups have disbanded and reconvened as secret groups over Oreos, Skittles, and vegan pets, I guess it's a common phenomenon.
@neuromancer But you have a fancy VMP badge and that's awesome.
Well put, fuck those fuckers.
I am with you 95% but I do feel sorry for the people who tried for 2 hours and didn't get a fuku. I was lucky enough to get one but I know I would have been a sad girl if I didn't.
On the other hand, I wouldn't have felt like I was owed one. Just that I had very bad luck.
@christinerenee Me too. I'd love it if everyone got one. But the reality of life is that not everyone can get one, just like not everyone can get a Black Friday deal at Best Buy. FWIW, this is the 1st time I actually "bought" a Fuku (last time 'round I did get that "congrats you get a random Fuku" thing)
@Collin1000 I think it's the fact that people tried for two hours that makes it sad. If it just sold out right away without the downtime I wouldn't feel sorry for anyone.
@christinerenee I honestly don't feel bad. I didn't get one. Yes, I think they're cool, but I'm not going to any special effort to get one. So...if someone spent 2 hours, they made a CHOICE to spend 2 hours trying, knowing they might not get one. You don't need to kick yourself for the choice someone else made.
@christinerenee I only slightly feel bad for those who say something to the affect of "I tried for two hours and missed it, oh well life goes on"... for those that complain and throw fits, go back to grade school with your childish shenanigans.
@christinerenee That's the game. It's addicting. I enjoy trying for 2 hours win or lose. At some point a person has to pull themselves away from the computer and cut their losses. It's like gambling; you gotta play to win, but it sucks win you lose.
@christinerenee Yeah, I was lucky/unlucky enough to decide to check right on refresh. Then fail and try for two hours. But if you're refreshing for 2 hours you better be all in or just count yourself unlucky for checking at the wrong time. For more than an hour and a half only a few were bought. Then a few trickled in right after each other for 10 minutes or so before it spiked up for a few minutes. If people paid closely attention to that number as well as people at mentioning wearemeh, they probably had a few minutes to try and buy. I was able to buy one, try again and told I can't buy another. And tell a couple friends to buy them. One was able to get it. One wasn't signed in and had to enter his information/credit card and didn't. Do I feel bad for him? Yeah. But if he was paying as close attention as me he probably would have had enough time to buy as well.
@hanna Well, I guess I don't feel sorry for the people who didn't get one because they weren't paying close enough attention. But there were some people who got tripped up by the captcha or couldn't prove they weren't robots. That's a whole lot of frustration for one night.
@Mavyn Exactly. And it's not as if you could have only been refreshing meh during that time. I was doing something else the entire time. Honestly, there were only three points when I saw any get sold: the very beginning, sometime in the middle-ish, and then in literally the last 3 minutes or so. No one could have predicted that exactly, but there's no reason to focus all your attention on it.
@christinerenee Exactly what I feel. I was there at midnight, trying to check out for two hours. I'm upset that my time was wasted, I'm upset that I actually got to the point of checkout around 1 a.m. without it calling me a robot. But then it never went through, so I kept trying. Until I was told they were sold out.
@Travis6t6
@christinerenee Maybe they could put the Captcha earlier in the process? I don't know how that would work, the closest thing I've had to this experience is unsuccessfully trying to buy tickets for ComicCon San Diego, which is pretty similar but with a lot more riding on it (whether me and a half dozen friends will be vacationing in California or somehere else). They reserve about 75,000 tickets for the online sale and sell out in just a few minutes. I know that overall I fail more Captchas than I pass (maybe I am not human), so I can certainly sympathize with anyone who invested a lot of time and then got denied by that annoyance.
@hanna "mentioning wearemeh"? How did that help?
@Travis6t6 Exactly this. Almost two hours of trying, then being told my password was incorrect (it wasn't), and then getting stuck on the catch a as a spinning circle thing, then having the green loading bar thing not once but three times. Honestly, I've had better luck getting the BOC at that other site, and that isn't exactly easy.
@Stumpy91 On twitter. I was watching tweets to see when people were bragging about their orders going through. It also kept me up to date when the orders trickling in. Sorry, I don't post in this forum much.
@christinerenee Oh, I got tripped up too. But I opened a new window. I do feel bad for those people who stayed on the page!
@christinerenee I was also a 2 hour person. No home internet, so it was all via phone.
Part of me wonders at the age group of the whiners.
Part of me giggles and wants to be a fly on the wall when something actually shitty happens to them.
@Mavyn I don't think entitlement issues really have an age limit.
@HotelDon No, but there is a documented surge in entitlement in some generations. :)
@Mavyn It isn't the age I wonder, it is the political affiliation.
@Outofmymind
@unixrab This fishing spot sucks.
@unixrab Gawd. I don't know where you found that image, but I almost passed out I laughed so hard. I'm still chortling. I'm stealing it.
@SIMBM It is all about word placement. Obviously he thought of taking fire and entered "incoming" into google and then clicked images. This image is the first 40 listed( literally over and over ).
@Outofmymind Well, it seems to be a meme that I had not been exposed to before. But yeah, it looks like 3/4 of the hits on images.google.com are of this image.
@SIMBM Oh I hadn't seen it prior either, I was merely describing the best way to turn a thought into a image. Google is great for that.
@Outofmymind @SIMBM I feel like both of you are no longer giving me (AND MY INFANT DAUGHTER) credit for this highly popular meme
@unixrab Your infant daughter? According to various sources, they've been lookingf or the source of the Angry Baby meme since 2004. Are you fessing up?
@SIMBM
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Very well said
I'm curious, did people have different captchas where they actually had to type something in? Mine was just a check box that I had to check and then proceed to checkout.
Also, I was going to start a new thread but maybe i'll just throw it in here. It seemed like people "had a feeling" a fuku would come up today. How did you guys know / "get your feeling"? Just curious is all.
@mehybe For one, last time there was a fuku was when the site theme song was release. This time the twitter theme song was released. Also, there were threats of fuku's filled with neoprene sleeves in the write up a couple days ago.
@mehybe Probably because of the newsletter, and the announcement of the new twitter theme song. Last time a theme song came out, there was also a fuku.
@viciousterra Oh that makes sense. I think I only skimmed that section in the newsletter... didn't pay attention to the details like when it was coming out etc.
@mehybe From phone chrome browser, I got just checkbox then a number image. From PC Chrome I got just checkbox.
@mehybe i am always suspicious that there might be one. It's a habit i picked up on woot. That said, they sent the newsletter about a new theme song for the twitter account and i remembered the last one was when they had a new theme song for the site. Then suspicion just kicked in.
@mehybe I got the type-something-in Captcha 3 times. The scribble that was supposed to be copied was damn near impossible to translate. I failed all 3 times.
@mehybe thanks to chrome's iframe refesh i did about 20 cacha last night, about 18 were type this word in, one was type this number in, one showed you 9 pictures and you had to select the 4 dogs
@mehybe it was the forum post about it being a year that made me think it was fuku time
@mehybe My captcha was a "type the numbers in the picture of this random door or whatever" and then it gave me an extremely long code in one frame and told me to paste it in the other.
@mehybe I treat it as everyday is a possible fuku day.... then when there is I am ready to go... and i sit for the hour and a half refreshing (Thanks ATT shitty service) and I finally get in.... and I wake up the apartment complex with shouts and the dance of joy
(Don't remember how to write http any more... been too long for this older man
meh had 1413 backers that contributed on average $10 each. Sure they are backers, sure they helped to get meh off the ground. But today meh has grown to 170,000. What do they owe me? Nothing! But looking at the forums, as well as other deal sites, people are getting pissed for lots of different reasons. If meh wants to continue to grow, they may want to consider adjusting this 'experiment' to please the majority and not the 1413 backers. Bottomline, meh is a business. A successful growing business. But it has issues, and saying FU like it or leave it is not going to help build your business.
@derek17j I think they know what they're doing given past online ventures. Let's leave it to the pros, eh?
@derek17j Almost all of the reasons are the same thing in the end: I wanted a deal and didn't get it. Aside from that, what other "reasons" are people pissed about? That is the crux of my rant. At the end of the day, it boils down to the fact that people are upset they didn't get something they wanted. Can't always get what you want in life.
@derek17j to be fair, meh never said FU and to leave.
@derek17j You make a lot of claims, without providing evidence...what evidence do you have to support that on other deal sites people are getting pissed off and abandoning meh? Contrary to your inaccurate belief, the Kickstarters do not in anyway run meh, we are however, much more vocal than the others. In total, from day zero, I've seen easily less than 100 people complain to the point of publicly declaring they were going to leave meh, quite the minority. Less than 1413, and certainly much less than 170,000. I'm pretty sure meh is going to be fine.
@jaybird yeah...they said "FUKU ... buy it if you can" /seewhatIdidthere ;-)
@unixrab Did you get one this time around?
@jaybird I may not have been asked to leave, but I was told by a meh employee to "deal with it sucker". To me, that shows just how much meh cares that I stay.
@derek17j The Kickstarter campaign was not about raising money....their cut of the $14K wouldn't run the business for a week. They used the KS campaign as additional advertising and an immediate customer base.
@derek17j My hypothesis is that meh is a hobby. @snapster has all the dollars already. This is something to do so he can have fun with his friends and life.
@studerc Quoted from a post on Slickdeals "I'm done bothering with meh. they just sell total crud anyway. not worth the aggravation. interesting they've been able to operate this long knowing their peak hour and still having inadequate servers. pretty disappointing." This is not my comment but that from a forum on one of the largest deal sites.
@derek17j The exact phrase is "cheer up sucker" which is entirely different because it's from the theme song. It's more of a joke than actual advice.
@derek17j OH SHIT, one guy, on one site, made a comment about a company with 170,000 members...we are fucking screwed.
@derek17j Wait, who said that they actually wanted to grow the business anyway? Maybe @snapster is happy selling neoprene to the original 1400 people and all of us are ruining it for him. Pack it up, folks, party's over.
@DaveInSoCal Yessir I did.
@derek17j I would like to respond to this other persons libelous comment on an other huge deal site... "I'm done bothering with meh. they just sell total crud anyway. not worth the aggravation. interesting they've been able to operate this long knowing their peak hour and still having inadequate servers. pretty disappointing."
hmmm.. well... I uh.. hmm...
no further comment
@derek17j Man your star and only your star is really messed up on my browser.
@Outofmymind on mine too. I thought it was just me.
@unixrab Fuku's are half price with VMP... (just sayin')
@Collin1000 I know a couple of people left due to the profanity. Not supporting or disagreeing with them, just answering the "what other reason" question.
@Outofmymind I've seen the messed-up star in a couple places today. I don't imagine that's @shawn's top priority at the moment, though.
@SSteve Well it should be damn it. It all starts and ends with a star, and at any time things could really go bad.
@derek17j :( my star is pretty sad looking
I did not get a fuku. I'm okay with that. I feel no reason to whine, bitch, moan, or complain. Clearly, something is wrong with me.
@pitamuffin It bothers you as much as it should.
I did not get a Fuku, but I did last time. That last Fuku was my first purchase and i've been hooked ever since. I think that half the fun of Meh is the fight to get the good stuff. Did I want a Fuku? Yes, of course. I tried for nearly an hour. Am I going to die because I didnt get one? Nope.
On the flip-side, I suspect "not sucking" is something pretty much anyone beyond very grizzled nihilists care about. I'm still happy about my $1 contribution.
I'm really upset that i didn't get 2 or 3 fukus. I'm never gonna shop here again because the server crashed after i bought one and then i couldn't get more! ;) /rant
@jaybird Are you naked? My mom always used to say "naked as a jaybird" . Never having seen one, I'm pretty curious about it.
@lisaviolet most interesting topic change I have ever seen.
@Collin1000 I get distracted easily.
@lisaviolet Can confirm, he is naked
@lisaviolet having seen myself naked before, there is a reason you've probably never seen a naked jaybird. they are rather unappealing.
@jaybird I wonder why she used to say that....
@jaybird Wait you only got 1? I guess I can sell you one of my 12 for $15 if you want?
@lichme gonna revoke your security cam privileges.
@lisaviolet it is an old saying. dunno where from.
@mehybe tempting offer. let me see what i get first and i'll let you know :D
Whoops, too late to edit my post but before all you haters chime in, that was just a joke, I only got 1 ;)
@lisaviolet In the olden times, when they used to eat jaybirds, they would remove the feathers, becsuse, no one wants to eat the feathers really, and thus, the jaybird would be "naked". This is from whense the shortened saying was derived from - "Naked as a jaybird, ready for the pot." (They were usually boiled)
@miko1 You just broke the streak of K's, and i seconded it. lol
@miko1 That's very interesting. Thank you.
On a lol note, my fuku order number is drab-finished-anger, which seems really fitting.
I have left this site ever since they refused to add pagination, and my life has been better for it.
@phatmass
@phatmass
@phatmass I left this site too, but then I came back to post this. I'm going to leave again now.
@phatmass I leave this site many times a day.
Agreed.

The issue shouldn't be with Fukus.... Those are special items that everyone wants that carry a special cachet. If you're complaining that Meh should adjust their business model because of a Fuku sell out, you're a fool.
Your focus should be on the items that ARE selling out immediately 1 hour after they're posted that shouldn't really be. That Cobra charger shouldn't have sold out so fast, but it did. There's no real reason 150,000 Neoprene Laptop Sleeves should've sold out so fast, but they did. That's due to growth of the Meh site (Remember when we got that newsletter lamenting the lack of users here? Those were the days...)
I think "K" people consider it whining because it's a Fuku. Again, Fukus are a special case, and no one is guaranteed success. Other items should probably be looked at, though. That's where Meh will make its profit.... The Fukus build buzz. The other products they offer sustain the buzz.
@BillLehecka The so called whining started a few days ago after a string of early sellouts. Look at the write-up for yesterday's speaker docks.
@neuromancer Isn't that what I intimated? BTW, that whining is kind of validated and should be looked at. Fuku whining is more petulant than anything based on a sense of entitlement.
@BillLehecka as I explained in a different post: " meh.com operates on a few fundamental, immutable truths: In any given group of people, a certain percentage of them are idiots. The larger the group, the more idiots (here at meh.com we designate those people as very mediocre people or VMP's for short.) The key is finding that percentage based on your total audience. This is CRUCIAL. If meh.com is wrong on the percentage of idiots visiting the site, they end up with surplus merchindise... and that's bad. So they keep a LOT of stats. Once an educated guess at the idiot ratio has been made, meh.com procurement agents can scour Korea for product lots that match the idiot ratio as closely as possible with a target of selling out. Right now, my own research has set this number at about 1600 - 2000 idiots:total meh.com community. What THIS means is that our intrepid procurement agents are ideally looking for product that come in lots of 1500-2000 pieces. When they find one, they can reasonably project that those lots will sell out with not many (if any) leftover unsold. Right now, meh.com is averaging about 50,000 visitors per day and I believe that they've settled on about a 125:4 idiot ratio which gets us to about 1600 idiots per day It would be unwise for meh.com to procure a product lot of MORE than the idiot ratio EVEN IF IT IS AT A GOOD PRICE because only 4 out of every 125 meh customers is an idiot and if you do not respect your idiot ratio, you end up with UNSOLD PRODUCT and that... is... BAD To sum up: If you want a shot at some very mediocre products, you'll have to visit at 00:00 EST, because meh.com is ever-honing it's idiot identification ratio and are realistically only going to offer around 1600-2000 pieces of crud per day. When the projected community rises to say 100,000 visits per day, you may see that the number of product for sale will be around 4000 or so and so on. CAVEAT: if a product is NOT a piece of junk, meh.com most likely will allow the procurement agents to purchase larger lots because a non-idiotic meh.com visitor will of course jump on an actual good deal... (a very rare occurrence) SO! I hope this helps you snag some crap and encourages you to help bump up the idiot ratio."
@unixrab Says the guy who scored a Fuku last night....
@BillLehecka youbetchaBillLechecka... stayed up late, got the 404 a few times, persevered, and am tired at work today which is why I was glad to see all the threads this morning... entertainment !
The OP is absolutely correct. But in defense of the whiners, I think it's the internet breaking that they really deplore. Why can't the massive network of computers work perfectly all the time?!!? why??!!
Well said @Collin1000. You deserve an 'atta boy'
Looking in the forums, a lot of us are VMP members. I was paying until I grabbed the free offer. If only 100k customers out of 170k end up paying VMP, that is $500K a month whether we buy or not. For me I only bought 1 or 2 items a month. meh would want more customers like me. Visit everyday and buy once in a while. Am I entitled anything, nope. But it is in meh's best interest to keep a customer like me. With constant sellouts, (not counting FUKU's) only those that care to be on at 12 ET will continue to pay the VMP. I will drop my VMP for one and others will follow who continue to see sellouts. Yes, I want meh to succeed, I have said this over and over. Am I entitled anything, nope I am not. But looking at the forums, others are not happy too. I would think that meh wants paying VMP's to go up and not down. Just sayin..
@derek17j
@derek17j That logic only works if the are never any items other than those that sellout that you'd buy.
@derek17j i suppose we'll get an ombudsman video addressing it sooner than later.
@derek17j If nothing ever sells out then you'll never get that false satisfaction of knowing you grabbed a deal that was so awesome it sold out. If I buy something, I want it to sell out, to validate me wasting money on it. The worst feeling is buying something that doesn't sell out because it makes me feel like a loser. I'm fine with missing a deal every once in awhile. That's why this site is awesome.
I understand the technological disadvantage that is unavoidable. I understand that not everyone is going to get something. I liked this to be more looked as a suggestion, idea, another way to go about it. If its even possible. Just so the 100 first people get their attempt acknowledge. Just some way to handle the millions of request to buy whatever it is, not just Fuku bags. Anything awesome that meh may offer. A ticket system, email process, just something to maybe even the odds. Cause if everyone wants to keep arguing. Oh my technique was better and I got in you should shut it. Meh doesn't have to do anything its their business you don't have to deal with it. Blah Blah Blah, get a job. Then it will just stay the same, which may work, but change doesn't hurt either. Businesses grow everyday, why cant this just be one of those things to grow from. Instead of this being negative, people complaining, people complaining about complaining. Lets try and look for a solution. Worse case scenario, nothing changes and we all still do the same exact thing over and over again expecting a different outcome.... definition of insanity.
@Spook If someone comes up with a change that would be sensible, sure. But so far...even realistic suggestions have been few and far between.
@Spook Why should we expect a different outcome? The servers generally work fine except for Fuku sales or when the programmers are trying something new. What's insane to expect any change to improve the odds of getting a Fuku or make everyone happy. The odds will only get worse as memberships increase and there will be more bitter "entitled" people.
@Spook again with the "even the playing field"
try harder.
@Mavyn VMPs and long term buyers should be able to pre-buy (maybe at $10) before a public scramble. Pre-sales for select pods is incredibly common
@brandon Pre-buying on what criteria? And how would that prevent a sellout of popular items that would satisfy the masses currently screaming 'UNFAIR'? If anything, that's worse than a time zone complaint, since it's not like you can go back in time and be a kickstarter, and if it's VMP, then, as they say, when everyone is VMP (except @unixrab), no in is VMP.
@Mavyn From one of my favorite shows:
@Mavyn
@Spook Do we need a solution, not sure there is a problem to be fixed, The actual worst case would be we do the same thing over and over and get the same exact result. Some people happy more less so if whatever it is sells out, interesting forum rants to add some joy to your day.
@Mavyn I'm referring to Fukus
@brandon I get that, but it doesn't change my opinion. I'd rather see pre-buys for the daily items than for the Fukus. The point of the purchase is the competition to get one. How would making it a 'sure thing' for some people work with that idea? Flat out, it doesn't. It's less fair, since currently, everyone knows the rules, knows the chances (or should, if they pay attention), and can compete.
@Mavyn My comment was in response to the raffle/all access idea being floated. My concern was communication and equal access
170,000+ members, 1129 Fukubukuro. Seems pretty clear there will be few winners, many losers.
I'm a three-times loser myself, so I feel your pain, but them's the breaks. Sure, I spent two hours trying to order, and missed out by apparently less than a minute. Oh well! It was fun. Get over it.
@pwinn And then there are people like @unixrab that got a FUKU but is still a loser.
@cengland0 @pwinn YEAH! .... wait
Yeah so basically I'm out of here as it's clear I'm not one of the chosen few meh was designed for. Boo hoo hoo.
@smoo99 And you will live your life, and be happy in all the ways that you were happy before and disappointed in one less way.
@smoo99 Fly! Be Free!
@medz Stars for Mork.
I am always disappointed to miss these, but it is at a cost of going to bed before midnight, which I gladly pay. East coast folks definitely are at a "disadvantage" but such is life. (Meh as a business doesn't owe any of us "equal" advantage).
@dis_member Some meh'ers are just more "equal" than others. They're also more sleepy than others today.
@dis_member How dare you be rational!
I mean, I think I'm entitled to have $5 to my name.
Maybe I'm only speaking for myself but...
I'm bothered because last night was a mess. There was no communication about delays, the front page was cached to make it load quickly but break on purchase and that purchasing went through not by queue but by who was able to be up at 3 am.
I may be in the minority that would like these sort of things to be a meritocracy based upon frequency of purchases, time with the site, etc. Loyal buyers should have easier access to the site's perks, in my opinion, not a guys buddy who gets pinged at 3 am that a cool buy opp exists. That seemed to be part of the community component I thought the site was going but perhaps I'm wrong
@brandon of course you would like that, you would benefit the most from it.
@brandon There was in fact a tweet that went out when the servers basically shut down. There was communication.
@brandon this is a dictatorship nay a theocracy with @snapster as the child-like-zeusish-demi-god
@joelmw I know there was - one text that says it'll be fixed "real soon" over a 2+ hour outage doesn't really communicate much
@brandon As someone who's supported code in a hectic, millions of dollars are depending on you solving this RIGHT EFFING NOW...Communicating to the end user is a priority somewhere BELOW making it work. With a small shop, which would you prefer, the guy in the hot seat focuses on finding and fixing the problem, or focuses on making sure you know he's working on it and that it will be up as soon as he possible can find and fix the problem? Seriously.
@Mavyn this++;
@Mavyn i have as well and your example is an absurd either/or. It'd take 5 seconds to communicate the solution is a matter of hours, not minutes. Your tone is extremely unnecessarily patronizing too. Congrats
@brandon If you've been in the situation, you wouldn't say that. It might seem like 5 seconds to you, but it's much more because it suddenly making your brain NOT think about the problem. Derailment. It takes time to get that back on track and focused. If you want absurd...Would you tell a doctor to take a break from surgery to reassure their spouse that they are working on it, or should they keep working on the patient? The difference here is that no one dies....but money is still lost. I got paid first to get the program working, second to communicate to the end user.
@Mavyn Disagree. You're not only using absolutes to imply yours is the only way, you're also making claims tied to a business of one. The coder isn't the only one with access and sure as hell isn't the only one up during an outage. I'm not sure why you're so desperate to present only one viewpoint as possible on this issue. I've worked in software, customer service and marketing/PR long enough to know "it takes a village." There are multiple ways to do business, which you seem to disagree with. I simply believe there's a more effective way for this to have been handled while you're all in on this being the only way. Which is... Odd.
@brandon I don't assume that they have multiple people up that aren't committed to solving the problem. You are assuming they do. The difference between 'small shop' and 'not'. When it's a village of one...well. You either close the gates or ring the bell.
@Mavyn That would be a massive problem if they had a staffing of one on their Super Bowl.
@brandon No argument there. But with small shops, that's the breaks. I don't know how Meh is staffed, but from what I've seen, that could be case. Complaining that they didn't tell you what was going on as it was happening makes it sounds like they had someone who was available to comment but just didn't feel like it. I don't think that was the case. I think everyone who was up, was actively trying to solve the problem.
@Mavyn
@brandon Go border collie, go! :)
Eat a dick
@Superjimtendo I believe the politically correct phrase is "suck a bag of dicks".
@Headly Can I share my e-dick here?
@lisaviolet
@moondrake

Meh does owe me something - a pair of bluetooth headphones, 30 built case, and one bag of random stuff!
Seriously though, I think that a lot of people get angry when they miss an opportunity. Combine that with the grind of checking every day (which is apparently cumbersome for some people) and they feel like they should get something for that effort. They fail to understand that they need to put in the effort to check at midnight, OR go to a different daily deal site. Woot is still there. Heck, I bet you could start your own, if you feel selling things at random times is a better business model.
Oh, and I think sometimes people think im complaining on these forums when im just joking around. thats the problem with the internet, its so hard to convey tone.
Preach it Collin1000!

I'm not sure what Meh could do to lower expectations any further. They are consistent and vociferous about what they do and do not want to be, and what their goals are.
Maybe they need to be like Cards Against Humanity who sold real actual dried bull dung for black friday for $6. And MANY THOUSANDS of people purchased it.
As Max Temkin said, "If you buy the poop expecting it to be something else that’s not poop, you’re actually buying a valuable life lesson for $6."
I guess it translates to something like: if you visit Meh expecting it to be something else that's not meh, you're actually buying a valuable life lesson for the time spent visiting Meh.
I also believe rule VI. of Woot's holy crap commandments apply quite well here when paraphrased: "Should thou fail in thy quest for {Fuku}, congratulations. Failure is the biggest {mediocrity} of all."
Just try and have fun. Cheer up, suckers! :-)
@curtise Some people bitched about getting actual poop. Never underestimate the power of a person to confuse a hopeful thought with an entitlement.
Collin1000 is the worst kind of corporate apologist, one who attacks members of the community who have issues with service quality. Imagine if you purchased an automobile that was found to have defect that was killing people. Collin1000 would show up at the funeral to tell the surviving family members that they're entitled whiners for seeking retribution from the car manufacturer.
I was quite upset last night because I had thought that Meh was a service. I purchased VMP and I want to buy product. I realised last night that it's not a service, it's a game. This is not Amazon and I did not purchase Prime. This is an Internet show where every sale is a lottery and the losers who are upset are derided.
Or is it? What are you, Meh? Tell us, so we can set our expectations and those riding high on the Greater Internet F^ckwad Theory like Collin1000 can spend their time grandstanding somewhere else.
@Michaelforman I have not see any time where they have not met what I expect of them. They have something for sale each day, they sell them until they are gone or the day ends. Rinse, repeat. Your correct this is not Amazon and certainly not a car dealership. Those are totally different business plans and to try and compare them to each other is just a failed argument.
@Michaelforman Meh isn't Amazon and doesn't pretend to be. Instead of an Amazon or a Best Buy, Meh is more like a flea market vendor. No one expects flea market stalls to have endless inventory. They buy all they can of closeouts, discontinued items, etc., which by definition have limited quantities, and once they are gone there are no more. Either you get there when thy go on sale or risk it selling out. If you need to compare meh to an automobile that kills people, maybe this isn't the web site for you.
@Michaelforman
"corporate apologist"
Wait, we're a corporation now? As @hallmike said, we're closer to a flea market than a corporation.
Edit: Like a laboratory that experiments...at a flea market...my analogy is breaking down...
@Michaelforman comparing a web server melting down from a huge amount of traffic causing you to not be able to purchase junk to people dying in a car crash?!
@hart Yeah, didn't you know?
it's on the internet so it must be true right =D (though it does say mediocre and not meh, so there's that haha)
@mehybe I mean...we could call ourselves The Legion of Doom (holy shit, why don't we?), but I think what @michaelforman meant is that we have a big "corporate" structure. We're just a few silly people throwing packages out the door.
@mehybe Modern journalism has no standards anymore.
@Michaelforman I will soon be 65 years old and this grandma has gotten around. Reading your post brings to mind the quote from that great statesman, Dick Cheney; "Go fuck yourself!"
@Teripie Cheney is quite a role model.
@Michaelforman you do realize Collin1000 doesn't work for meh? I'm SURE you wouldn't bitch about something like that without knowing the facts, right?
@Michaelforman TIL - server crashes are comparable to neglectfully killing people with your product. TMYK
The forums, product descriptions, original video every day, and some good cheap crap for sale are enough to make the price of admission worth it. Heck I pay a premium to shop at Sam's Club and they're not giving me any fuku, videos, and certainly no laughs!
@jimmyd103 Gas was $1.98 at Sams Club yesterday.
@derek17j just checked $1.96 today
@derek17j Gas is still 2.60 here, I now blame turtles....
@derek17j You guys are getting ripped off. It was $1.69 by me 26 minutes ago.
@jimmyd103 Costco...
@derek17j
... just sayin
@kuoh And here I am all happy that I paid $1.98 in Worcester. How far away is UT
@mehybe I pay quite a bit more than that for fuel, but only because I buy fuel with no ethanol in it. $3.05 per gallon, ethanol free premium.
@kazriko Wish I could get ethanol free, I bet your MPG's are much higher
@mehybe @kazriko wow...does it have a lead additive too?
@TheDagda no lead. It's premium unleaded unethanoled. Especially good for small motors like lawn mowers, since ethanol is very hard on them. Still better than 10% ethanol fuel for large motors as well.
I like turtles.
@derek17j I am at best neutral on Turtles, they are shifty little buggers.
@Nikodemus I like lamp.
@derek17j SCRU TRUTLES!!!! >:( OEN TYME AI GT BITS BAI A TUTRLE! AH CRYD AN MUM SAD "WHY CRIA?"
@Nikodemus But I hear they are delicious in a soup.
@rand3y Turtles, or lamps?
@derek17j Here's the question I doubt you can answer, unless you are of a certain age, "Are you a turtle?"
@derek17j "purple" kinda rhymes with "turtles"
@Teripie You bet your sweet ass I am.
@katylava I love purple.
@derek17j How come you get 3 turtles for a buck in a wrapper, but only 5 turtles for 2 bucks in the box at Dollar General?
I am meh
Apropos of just snottily commenting because I can so you're welcome: my greatest amusement is reading the exact same kinds comments and discussions as were ranted on the woot forums back in its magical scruffy heyday of yore. Crashing servers, didn't get what I wanted, everything's garbage, time changes, customer service didn't kiss my ass, insult at irreverent site tone, whining entitlement, bashing of both valid and crazy complaints with "I was here first" righteousness, etc... I love this kind of moment[um] in a forum/community's development and feel privileged to witness it. Lurking this 'ish is so fucking delicious and the past week has been utter glory. Thank you, mah meh-ers.
☆゚.・。゚(^・ω・^ )。゚・☆゚.
~*insertbrowsercrashingwallofpopcorngifshere*~
For those with issues getting Fukus and BOCs:
I have 100Mbps Internet to my house. At 10PM MST my alarm went off, loaded Meh.com up on my phone (Samsung S3). Purchased a Fuku, and went to bed. Obviously not the physical device giving me any advantage (Layer 1). Maybe you should be mad at your ISP. They're the ones holding you back (Layer 2).
Either that or it's a PEBKAC issue.
Using this technique, I've been lucky enough to obtain all Fukus, and too many BOCs to count.
Just a thought.
@Bogie I have really shitty internet, can’t even use Netflix or the like. I’ve gotten lots of BOC’s, well over 10, and all the Fukus but this one. My computer went straight to the buy page but the robot thing fucked me up this time, 3 times before the site crashed. I’m not complaining, those are the breaks. Hell, I’m still euphoric about scoring 60 neoprene sleeves.
Setting aside that everything you said is really not correct per the OSI model, it's the epic failure outage that got the most outrage and you just got lucky getting in before the crash. I got my Fuku but it was annoying being down for almost 2 hours. That said, it wasn't normal and hopefully wont happen again. We are not 10 years ago. It was like 10k users at once. Even a mediocre enterprise web setup should handle that with maybe just a little slow down.
@Bogie Meh. I have shitty internet and am about as far as Texas as I can get while still being in the lower 48. Loaded and bought at 12 est. My secret? Having the "click this box if you're not a robot" captcha. That was the "I win" button.
It all went down perfectly
Everything is happening exactly as expected. Some deals are great, others not so much; some items sell out quickly, others end up filling Fuku's; most days things run smoothly, occasionally everything comes crashing down.
The meh gang have actually improved on the old Woot experience. The forums are more fun, the day starts a time zone earlier, and the $5 per month unlimited shipping is a deal for all but one of us.
The snooze=lose aspect remains the same. We all know if you think to long about a sale, it may become a sellout. Why is there so much moaning about it?
Fuku's (just like BOC's) are not a sale item. They are a lottery. If you win, you get to pay for a bag of stuff guaranteed to have a value greater then the price. You're not paying $5 to enter the lottery; your entry fee is the time and effort you spend trying to beat all the other people and overcome the inevitable busted servers. (Woot-azon has nearly unlimited server capacity but you still can't get in on a BOC.) Certainly, meh doesn't make money on Fuku's, they do it for the advertising and fun.
If you play the Lotto (a tax for the mathematically impaired), do you complain when you lose, or do you suck it up and buy another ticket next time? After you buy a scratch-off then don't scratch a winner, you just figure you had the fun of the anticipation.
Well, welcome one and all to the fun of meh. Be here at the appointed time, buy (or don't), VMP (or not), read the write-up, watch the videos, keep up your meh button streak, post crazy shit in the forums, F5 til your finger cramps for a FukU, but mostly have fun!
Wearemeh
Cheerupsuckas
@2many2no TL;DR Everybody lighten up and have a good time.
@2many2no I read and starred.
I'm here for the meh-ntertainment. With the product write-ups and the forum rants, I'm a satisfied customehr.
... and every so often there's a useful prize inside.
@tomvarela Which makes them totally not a box of Cracker Jacks.
I don't understand why everyone is continuing to argue with one another over this tired topic. Can't we just agree to disagree? Has there ever been a time that two people argued on the internet and then came to an agreement? This bickering is pointless. We're not solving anything here.
@jsh139 ooo, we're looking for a solution? Well crap.
@jsh139
@jsh139 I totally agree with you. NO, wait, I mean shut up jerk!
@jsh139 All I'm saying is that I'm entitled to that broken Rubik's Cube sitting in the back of the Fuku.
@jsh139 Actually, I have a friend in England that the first time I ran into him in a forum I called him a sexist neanderthal. We argued for days, and little by little started conceding one point or another till we got to common ground. We corresponded for months and when my friend and I took a trip to England he hosted us and acted as our local tour guide. When he came to visit the US I offered to return the favor but he was visiting the wrong side of the continent and it would have been very expensive for us to meet up. I really enjoy arguing unless someone gets bent out of shape about it. Arguing is the best way I know to test my own beliefs and ideas. I sometimes argue in favor a viewpoint oppositional to my own just to try it out.
It is sort of amazing how many way a person can screw up getting crap/fuku.
The purpose of a fuku is
1. the excitement of finding it available
2. the race to buy it
3. the wait to see if it went through, or you got screwed
4. the joy/pain of getting an answer to that question
5. posting to brag/gripe about it
Then if you got one...
You can not deny me the right to be mad, disappointed, aggravated by being online at midnight and still not getting one!
It is my right!
I have spent many years working on it.
I can feel as wronged as I want. I am entitled!
Hell, I send these guys money every month, even when I don't buy anything!
IT IS ALL PART OF THE GAME
GET OVER IT!
Although...I'm really pissed off I didn't get one.
Really
It is amazing to me that I still care enough to be mad about it!
oh...I forgot some...
And then....
Waiting for the next one to do it all again.
@smilingjack This is as close as I ever got with getting a BoC over at Woot (before the buyout).
The order was placed and when I checked to verify, I was greatly dissapointed to see it was "Denied". I didn't go into a rant about it, I just wear it as a badge. Almost gone one - Also, I didn't get a Fuku this time, but I did get one the last round. (Missed the first two) It will be fun to see what people get and I am keeping my eye out for the next one. Because "the early bird gets the worm" and this is all just one big weird experiment.
@smilingjack I like it.
I just thought I'd pointlessly comment on the pointless comment on people's pointless comments. You know, to make the circle complete. Or to make the line longer. I'm not sure how this works.
@InnocuousFarmer Pointless retort, pointing to another pointless retort previously made.
@InnocuousFarmer well said sir.
Wait...waht? People are only entitled to good things? If I feel like that Cisco 9500 desrves a boot the the side of it's chassis, does that make it an entitlement? If the Duche Bag in the three sizes too small pink Polo with popped collar jumps the queue (that's "cuts in line" for you 'mericans) is it wrong to feel a certain sence of entitlement to crush his scrote with my 47 size Docs?
I am feeling conflicted by this whole entitlement debate...
I love purple.
Eh. I tried for a little over an hour. Then I wondered whether it was just another Mediocre experiment trying to figure out how long people would keep trying and went to bed. Congrats to those that got them.
And some of us do check the site at midnight and still didn't get the Fuku... It's okay to be annoyed about trying for an hour and still not getting it. I am bummed for me but still excited to see what people get.
so some ahole is entitled to write about everyone else being entitled? great job proving your the schmidt of this site.
@msujp Way to feel entitled to drag up a post from damn near a year ago. (Fine, Fine 11 months)
@Bogie
Way to feel entitled to determine that entitlement was the reason an old thread was commented on 😛.
@msujp Yeah, what msulp said
I'm entitled to like @Collin1000's post, and @Bogie's and @FoodyFrog's clever rebuttals and to think that @msujp and @cranky1950 are the ones being assholes. And I give not a fuck who cares.
Was this really about "everyone else being entitled"? No, no, it was not. It was about a few whiny bitches. Lump us not with your ilk, @msujp; we are not you. Nor do we agree with your other pronouncements or appreciate your shitty grammar.
@FroodyFrog Damn straight. :D
@joelmw So stop being a whiney bitch already
@msujp

@Mehntok i entitled myself to star my own post
Just for the record, I gots minez.