@AaronLeeJohnson Thinking the same thing. So the copy editor is just going to ignore the apocalyptic name and hope that it’s not zombie-related in any way?
I don’t know about whatever health benefits they claim it has, but Manuka honey is fucking delicious. And usually much more expensive than this.
/giphy winding-hopeless-necromancy
I’ve had manuka honey. It’s maybe a little easier to deal with than the regular stuff, but not remarkably so. Is it worth the prices they want in NZ and HI tourist traps? I don’t think so. Is it worth the prices here? Hint: I might buy the low-dollar version. Maybe. (If I was low on honey, I’d probably have already done that.)
@qazxto [EDIT x2] Yup, IF it says 2X in the selection-of-kind drop-down. Nope. That was bogus. It’s per-jar. Bummer! [The initial writeup was very Not Clear about that. It has been fixed. If you need to cancel as a result, hit up the CS folks via meh.com/support]
@qazxto@werehatrack is this confirmed? Only in one spot does it say “2x”. Every other instance, including at checkout merely says “10.5 oz jar” and the Amazon price comparison seems to be for a single jar as well. Color me perplexed.
@qazxto@longtones@werehatrack – I’m sorry for the confusion! We originally planned to sell 2 jars but we decided to sell just one. Your order will contain 1 jar for every unit ordered – feel free to write-in to cancel if you need.
We will always have a “2 for” in the price box if it’s for 2, and the comp will reflect the price for two.
@longtones@qazxto@troy@werehatrack this is frustrating… I ordered because of the confirmation that we get 2 jars. I didn’t come back to the threads here until I just got my 1 jar
Now I’m confused.
“What’s Included?
2x End Of The World Honey Raw New Zealand Manuka Honey in 10.6oz Glass Jar”
So, I get 2 10.6-oz jars for the selected price?
@joeywolf [EDIT X2: See @ troy’s clarification above.
These are all for just ONE JAR.] Yes. But there are three different kinds whose only qualifier is the concentration of a specific “some people think it’s wonderful” substance that you would otherwise have no idea was present. Is it snake oil? The honey’s not, though the marketing certainly has that flavor. But it’s definitely good honey if it’s anything like what I’ve got. (I bought mine before they started marketing it for its Special WhizBangium Concentration.)
OBTW, the Jar With Extra WhizBangium has already sold out, unless some cur cancels.
I’m sorry for the confusion! We originally planned to sell 2 jars but
we decided to sell just one. Your order will contain 1 jar for every
unit ordered – feel free to write-in to cancel if you need.
We will always have a “2 for” in the price box if it’s for 2, and the
comp will reflect the price for two.
@robson MGO is methylglyoxal, a substance for which there has been no research establishing any therapeutic value or even significant action in the digestive system. [EDIT: See much farther down, @qazxto found an NIH study demonstrating value for manuka honey as a topical antimicrobial/antibacterial in excess of that of regular honey.] As far as the existing body of science goes, MGO concentration is a thing that can be measured which has a long and fancy name, and it definitely does something that benefits the bees [EDIT: and makes it useful as a topical wound care item] but there’s no proof it does anything [else] for people except provide profit for some and placebo value for others. (It’s usually possible to prove placebo value.)
@robson With the exception of a couple of “you gotta be a kiwi or a Maori to like them” snacks, everything edible I had in NZ was better than what we get here. That included samples of the fancy honey. (If you visit the Hobbit location, sign up for the meal deal. You would have a very hard time leaving hungry. Overstuffed is easy.)
@robson@werehatrack I have a more detailed review below. MGO and UMF are how we attempt to classify its wound healing abilities. Always dangerous to disagree with werehatrack but there is evidence.
@qazxto It would be useful to have a formal decent-scale study to back up what’s supported by experience for topical use, and for that, yes, I think the stuff is useful, but I would hesitate to rely on that alone. [EDIT: See @qazxto’s very useful cite farther down, there’s good lab results that make a case for this stuff being better than regular honey as a topical antibiotic.] As for any of the claims beyond that, I smell marketing in the absence of anything but wishful thinking. What’s true in this specific instance is that this is not a bad deal for decent high-quality honey from anywhere.
@robson@werehatrack The one thing about honey, normal, run of the mill honey as far as I know, is that it can help with healing deep wounds like bedsores and even the deep wounds with inflammation that cellulitis can form. Source for me is Palo Alto children’s hospital (Ward?). My niece, paraplegic, got an ulcer on her tailbone that neither oral or IV antibiotics seemed to do much for. Once it put her in the hospital they used honey at every dressing change. She was still in the hospital for two weeks, but the wound finally healed. They still use honey in their wound clinic as far as I know. It’s something about the sugar that feeds the tissues, increasing healing speed/ability as well as stopping bacterial growth.
@qazxto@robson@werehatrack From the NIH citation: “In a limited sampling, we also found Manuka honey to demonstrate significantly greater antimicrobial activity at lower UMF grades when compared to UMF 15+ honey. We conclude that UMF grade, as an indicator of MGO content and honey quality, may be misleading to the consumer as it may not necessarily correlate with antibacterial efficacy of the Manuka honey at the time of purchase or the time of use.” While this is a lower MGO grade (and UMF) it may still have good antimicrobial properties. It’s worth it to read some of that link. I read the Abstract and Background, then skipped to the Conclusions where the quote above comes from. I just bought TWO 300 gram jars multi-floral MGO 45+ at SideDeal for $18 (on 10/10/24). Came back here to read the comments and it looks like Meh was selling 1 jar at $12 a few days ago.
@Num1Zero It’s us or the mongeese. And at least we try to not destroy the swarm. A mongoose will eat the honey and the bees. (And yes, the presence of the mongoose as an exotic invasive species in New Zealand is the fault of the European colonizers.)
@j4yx0r I absolutely can’t stand the “wellness” pseudoscience cult that’s taking over social media, and I refuse to support it. However, honey is tasty and this is a good price, so…
@demonbane@j4yx0r I hear ya. The floggers pimping the hell out of stuff like AG1 want you to believe that it cures everything, without explicitly saying so. But boy are they good at hinting really loud. Just for grins and giggles (of which I ended up with neither), I got hold of some of that AG1 stuff. Eewwwww. Solid packed kale in a blender might have tasted better. I didn’t stop belching for half an hour, and it disagreed with me in other ways as well.
But this honey, on the other hand, at least has the fact that it’s something that damn near everybody likes going for it up front. And it’s not like it has been messed with to take something excellent and make it less so. It just happens to have extra bells and whistles. Whether they’re playing your tune depends on what you need. In my case, I’ll be happy to have decent honey from a place I like. And if I get a suitable chance to try its other properties out, I won’t hesitate. If it lasts that long. It’s honey. It might not.
I used to buy Manuka Honey for wound care for my Patient. Honey has many benefits. Unless of course you are under 1 yr old. I wouldn’t use this honey for WC, but I will try some. Good Price. Small Jars though.
@Mandamm same, now I
use this for wound care on my kids. These are 4am, 15 hrs shifts for me so correct me if I’m delirious but for those interested wound care min UMF 10, actually might be a decent level. Some studies say higher not necessarily related with additional antibacterial activity. Then again if I were dealing with a real nasty antibiotic resistant infection I’d probably go a bit higher and better known brand.
Anyways, 7cents an oz is pretty good. Haven’t heard of this brand before. Lots of fake ass honey in the world. In general you only want single source origin honey.
I also keep a jar of Manuka in my go bag, along with antibiotics. A bit heavy and this being glass is an issue but I can ditch it as needed. no water + get a cut is a pretty easy way to die so you should have something on hand.
As to taste, I prefer normal local raw US honey but it’s okay tasting. The people of NZ have a lot of marketing behind Manuka, it’s not magical stuff like they want
you to believe.
@Mandamm the surgeon that amputated Charliedoggos toe has his own hives and uses his honey for wound care in his practice. Seems he is quite successful with it - his is just regular honey without the wiz bang stuff this offering contains.
@qazxto Good find on that NIH cite, that’s more than I had known about. I will note that anyone who has made mead can attest that honey has to be diluted rather a lot before it loses its ability to suppress growth of anything unicellular or fungal. That antibiotic capability isn’t going to survive the digestive process, though it can disrupt the gut flora in certain well-known instances. The ability to dehydrate pathogens is a known property of a number of things used as topical antiseptics traditionally, high-strength alcohols being a popular one that gained a lot of use in the past few years, and was widely disdained by some without notably changing their outcomes as far as they could tell. Wound infection control is a lot more straightforward since the results of a lack of care are generally well-known. I will also note that it’s been rather a long time since I was last reminded of this use for honey, but I think the availability of other options may be a lot of the reason. Manuka’s extra capacities make its capabilities intriguing.
There was a time when meh would have bitten the bullet and provided the (2) jars to customers that bought the product while they were accidentally advertising it as (2) jars for nearly 10 hours.
The description in the product specs on this forum page "2x End Of The World Honey Raw New Zealand Manuka Honey in 10.6oz Glass Jar”
Now they just say, “Oops! sorry! It’s only one jar. Cancel your order if you were stupid enough to believe what we actually said.”
@katbyter@Trinityscrew There is no law that the posted deal that was then changed after you bought needs to be honored unless the posted deal was done purposely to mislead customers.
@Trinityscrew@katbyter@tinamarine1974 The majority of the deal was advertised correctly especially on the main page of the offer – every instance we state “jar” singular, the comparison price is for one jar, and we do not have “2 for” in the price box like we would on a 2-pack offer (which if you’re a regular, you’d know that is our standard). We are allowing cancellations for any reason if you don’t want this honey!
This is honey. It’s tasty, and goes well on biscuits and other things, but if you get it all over you, then you’re going to be hauled outside and hosed off until you aren’t sticky, and then you’ll have to take a shower besides because we don’t want to know what else is sticky.
Now, it you get an oopsie that might get infected, it’s OK to smear just a dab of this on it, and PLEASE cover it up with a bandage so that it doesn’t get all over everything. And no, you may not let the puppy or your little brother lick it off.
but if you get it all over you, then you’re going to be hauled outside and hosed off
Wait. What? You mean I can’t smear it all over a certain someone while they slept (I’d like to send to Jupiter without a space suit but meh hasn’t sold the right sized spaceship with enough fuel yet) and then place them near a fire ant hill.
@blaineg@Kidsandliz@Kyeh@pakopako@werehatrack I believe once you purchase said product, you are free to do with it what you wish. If, in fact, you would like to bathe in it, please do so. That said, please do not complain if you develp an ant problem or if everything sticks to you.
We all have our own freak, and as long as you are not hurting anyone, who cares! Viva la difference!!!
@blaineg@kdemo I used to read old books, so I knew that “dunnage” could refer to whatever the stevedores had stashed around the valuable cargo to protect it during the transit. This could include other cargo deemed less breakable.
@blaineg@werehatrack - Meh shipments suffered quite a lot of breakage in the early days. Staff referred to dunnage in the forum and they were teased about it for a while.
@kdemo@mossygreen Once someone sent us Vietnamese Fish Sauce (my kid loves it). They didn’t wrap it, just put it in a wine or something box that was only marginally bigger than the jar of the fish sauce… It broke. I got a call from the post office wondering if if they needed to take their workers to the hospital due to how bad it smelled (pretty terrible in my opinion and plenty of other people’s opinion) and they had no idea what it was. They had it in a post office wheeled container on their back loading dock. My kid was very sad.
@kdemo@Kidsandliz@mossygreen I once shipped a case of jars of a special garlic concoction to Seattle with no breakage. Via FXG. The engineer who received it was impressed by my packaging.
@kdemo my two (which were certainly not 2-for, the bastards) were just throw into a large box and bumping into eachother. one was wrapped in a thin layer of bubble wrap
@caffeineguy - I didn’t even get any bubble wrap. The safety seal is torn open on both jars. Unfortunate, as these were a gift.
Wonder how many times I have to learn this lesson?
Edit: I scrolled down the page and found I am not the only one with the same problem.
Dunnage, people!!
@dave This (recorded “interview”) is a first. We hit a nerve eh? Seriously though you might think about doing this more often. I found it entertaining how you responded to some of the comments on this thread.
So I got my order. It was only one not two per the description and the jar is leaking all over the inside of the packaging. So I’ll be taking a hard pass on this one. Support emailed. Super bummed.
Received my order today. Was excited to try this honey out. Opened the box to find honey leaking out of the cardboard tube. Opened the tube to find a broken jar half full of expensive honey. Come on, Meh! We need better packing than this. Not happy.
Mine arrived leaking too. The tamper seal was broken and lid was twisted so the seal didn’t even line up anymore. No idea how that could have happened accidently in shipping. Support contacted.
@caffeineguy It was actually in a bubble mailer bag inside of a box, so it wasn’t too bad, but I’m almost wondering if it had been in there for a while. Some of the honey that leaked out seemed too dry for it to have started leaking only a couple days ago during shipping.
Anyone buy different MGO levels?
I’ve got the 45 next to the 100 and the lower count moves quite more easily (I can swish it in the bottle and a foamy wave is there; it moves fairly quickly side to side). The 100 remains stiff; I hold it upsidedown and the air bubble takes 2 hours to move to a new position.
From the original post
I ordered thinking it was 2xs the amount and even ordered some as gifts and now the person I shipped it to is only getting one.
If mine haven’t shipped I would like a refund. Thanks.
From original post: it wouldn’t let me put out the whole page:
What’s Included?
• 2x End Of The World Honey Raw New Zealand Manuka Honey in 10.6oz Glass
@el1c1a Check meh.com/orders to see if it’s still in Processing. If so, maybe it can still be zapped, head over to meh.com/support and make the request.
@el1c1a Yeah, I ordered at 12:24AM thinking I was getting a bunch of gifts for folks. Placed an order for 3, and yet only got 2 jars bouncing around in the box?! Then they sell them on Sidedeal 2 for $18?
And now for a note about the honey from a flavor and consistency standpoint. The important thing is that yes, it tastes like honey, but the flavor is stronger than and inferior to orange blossom, clover, and most wildflower honeys. I would not characterize it as bad, but there is probably less danger that the resident sweet-teeth in any given household will raid the jar if alternatives are available. Additionally, the honey is partly crystallized and much higher in viscosity than might be expected. Will I reserve mine exclusively for wound care? No. But I won’t put it out with fresh-baked things where honey might be expected, either. I plan to make these two jars stretch for a while.
@werehatrack Decades ago before manuka honey was a “thing” in this country, I was told by a Doctor to use the “medicinal grade” stuff on a wound that kept getting infected. Less than 2 oz. for about $100 (hard to remember because insurance paid part of it), and stopped the infection. I tasted it - because honey, and the Doctor said it was okay. Turpentine and vinegar with a slight taste of honey. Definitely not something you would want to eat even if it weren’t so expensive. The much lower grades (the lower count the better) of manuka honey are quite tasty to the point of being addictive, though I seriously doubt that they have any health benefits beyond other honeys.
Specs
Product: End of the World New Zealand Manuka Honey
Model: 45001,100002, 265003
Condition: New
What’s Included?
Price Comparison
$30.90 at Amazon
Warranty
90 days
Estimated Delivery
Monday, Oct 14 - Tuesday, Oct 15
Hey honey!
Kind of a spooky title for an ointment.
@AaronLeeJohnson Thinking the same thing. So the copy editor is just going to ignore the apocalyptic name and hope that it’s not zombie-related in any way?
@AaronLeeJohnson @andymand Zom-bee honey
Seems like there’s a lot of BUZZ around this one.
I don’t know about whatever health benefits they claim it has, but Manuka honey is fucking delicious. And usually much more expensive than this.
/giphy winding-hopeless-necromancy
@Pony And the 100 size is actually mono-floral. The rest are multi.
I’ve had manuka honey. It’s maybe a little easier to deal with than the regular stuff, but not remarkably so. Is it worth the prices they want in NZ and HI tourist traps? I don’t think so. Is it worth the prices here? Hint: I might buy the low-dollar version. Maybe. (If I was low on honey, I’d probably have already done that.)
@werehatrack amd after checking the pantry, eh, yeah, sure, I’ll have a pair of the low-rent version.
After further consideration, I stepped up to the middle-of-the-road version for two - yes, $24 worth - instead. I probably don’t need it, but…
So the offer is 2x10oz bottles for all true options?
@qazxto [EDIT x2]
Yup, IF it says 2X in the selection-of-kind drop-down.Nope. That was bogus. It’s per-jar. Bummer! [The initial writeup was very Not Clear about that. It has been fixed. If you need to cancel as a result, hit up the CS folks via meh.com/support]@qazxto @werehatrack is this confirmed? Only in one spot does it say “2x”. Every other instance, including at checkout merely says “10.5 oz jar” and the Amazon price comparison seems to be for a single jar as well. Color me perplexed.
@qazxto @longtones @werehatrack – I’m sorry for the confusion! We originally planned to sell 2 jars but we decided to sell just one. Your order will contain 1 jar for every unit ordered – feel free to write-in to cancel if you need.
We will always have a “2 for” in the price box if it’s for 2, and the comp will reflect the price for two.
@longtones @qazxto @troy @werehatrack this is frustrating… I ordered because of the confirmation that we get 2 jars. I didn’t come back to the threads here until I just got my 1 jar
/giphy aggravated-spooked-torch
Now I’m confused.
“What’s Included?
2x End Of The World Honey Raw New Zealand Manuka Honey in 10.6oz Glass Jar”
So, I get 2 10.6-oz jars for the selected price?
@joeywolf [EDIT X2: See @ troy’s clarification above.
These are all for just ONE JAR.]
Yes.But there are three different kinds whose only qualifier is the concentration of a specific “some people think it’s wonderful” substance that you would otherwise have no idea was present. Is it snake oil? The honey’s not, though the marketing certainly has that flavor. But it’s definitely good honey if it’s anything like what I’ve got. (I bought mine before they started marketing it for its Special WhizBangium Concentration.)OBTW, the Jar With Extra WhizBangium has already sold out, unless some cur cancels.
@joeywolf @werehatrack
Wait, @troy up above in the previous comment just said that it’s not for 2. He said we get 1 10oz jar of honey.
@joeywolf Copying my previous comment here:
I don’t quite get what the different MGO (UMF) numbers signify… What is it the concentration of, and what does it mean?
@robson MGO is methylglyoxal, a substance for which there has been no research establishing any therapeutic value or even significant action in the digestive system. [EDIT: See much farther down, @qazxto found an NIH study demonstrating value for manuka honey as a topical antimicrobial/antibacterial in excess of that of regular honey.] As far as the existing body of science goes, MGO concentration is a thing that can be measured which has a long and fancy name, and it definitely does something that benefits the bees [EDIT: and makes it useful as a topical wound care item] but there’s no proof it does anything [else] for people except provide profit for some and placebo value for others. (It’s usually possible to prove placebo value.)
@werehatrack Thanks! I guess if I’d read the description more closely, I might have answered my own question…
But yes, if I get some it’s mostly to try some exotic honey from the land of Hobbits in Middle Earth!
@robson With the exception of a couple of “you gotta be a kiwi or a Maori to like them” snacks, everything edible I had in NZ was better than what we get here. That included samples of the fancy honey. (If you visit the Hobbit location, sign up for the meal deal. You would have a very hard time leaving hungry. Overstuffed is easy.)
@robson @werehatrack I have a more detailed review below. MGO and UMF are how we attempt to classify its wound healing abilities. Always dangerous to disagree with werehatrack but there is evidence.
@qazxto It would be useful to have a formal decent-scale study to back up what’s supported by experience for topical use, and for that, yes, I think the stuff is useful, but I would hesitate to rely on that alone. [EDIT: See @qazxto’s very useful cite farther down, there’s good lab results that make a case for this stuff being better than regular honey as a topical antibiotic.] As for any of the claims beyond that, I smell marketing in the absence of anything but wishful thinking. What’s true in this specific instance is that this is not a bad deal for decent high-quality honey from anywhere.
@robson @werehatrack The one thing about honey, normal, run of the mill honey as far as I know, is that it can help with healing deep wounds like bedsores and even the deep wounds with inflammation that cellulitis can form. Source for me is Palo Alto children’s hospital (Ward?). My niece, paraplegic, got an ulcer on her tailbone that neither oral or IV antibiotics seemed to do much for. Once it put her in the hospital they used honey at every dressing change. She was still in the hospital for two weeks, but the wound finally healed. They still use honey in their wound clinic as far as I know. It’s something about the sugar that feeds the tissues, increasing healing speed/ability as well as stopping bacterial growth.
@qazxto @robson @werehatrack From the NIH citation: “In a limited sampling, we also found Manuka honey to demonstrate significantly greater antimicrobial activity at lower UMF grades when compared to UMF 15+ honey. We conclude that UMF grade, as an indicator of MGO content and honey quality, may be misleading to the consumer as it may not necessarily correlate with antibacterial efficacy of the Manuka honey at the time of purchase or the time of use.” While this is a lower MGO grade (and UMF) it may still have good antimicrobial properties. It’s worth it to read some of that link. I read the Abstract and Background, then skipped to the Conclusions where the quote above comes from. I just bought TWO 300 gram jars multi-floral MGO 45+ at SideDeal for $18 (on 10/10/24). Came back here to read the comments and it looks like Meh was selling 1 jar at $12 a few days ago.
Just bought some this afternoon.8.2 oz jar MGO 40+ for 7.99. Going to order the 10.6 oz here,this is tasty stuff.
An average Oompa Loompa produces over 10kg of Manuka Honey each day. Wonka is very proud of the milker.
How can you steal the bee’s honey, you monsters!? I can’t believe Meh is supporting Bee labor camps!
@Num1Zero It’s us or the mongeese. And at least we try to not destroy the swarm. A mongoose will eat the honey and the bees. (And yes, the presence of the mongoose as an exotic invasive species in New Zealand is the fault of the European colonizers.)
@werehatrack Nice try Hive-ler!
/giphy nighttime-spookalicious-angel
/giphy chilling-feverish-shreek
@Yombleflobber
Thank you, Meh.
Sometimes you tell stupid stuff.
Sometimes you sell horrible stuff.
Mostly you sell just… Meh stuff. And I respect that.
I also respect that you’re honest about THIS kind of stuff.
Meh, you are not Goop. I know that’s a low bar to clear, but you did it! Thank you for being normal and honest.
…
I’m still not gonna buy the honey.
@j4yx0r
@j4yx0r I absolutely can’t stand the “wellness” pseudoscience cult that’s taking over social media, and I refuse to support it. However, honey is tasty and this is a good price, so…
@demonbane @j4yx0r I hear ya. The floggers pimping the hell out of stuff like AG1 want you to believe that it cures everything, without explicitly saying so. But boy are they good at hinting really loud. Just for grins and giggles (of which I ended up with neither), I got hold of some of that AG1 stuff. Eewwwww. Solid packed kale in a blender might have tasted better. I didn’t stop belching for half an hour, and it disagreed with me in other ways as well.
But this honey, on the other hand, at least has the fact that it’s something that damn near everybody likes going for it up front. And it’s not like it has been messed with to take something excellent and make it less so. It just happens to have extra bells and whistles. Whether they’re playing your tune depends on what you need. In my case, I’ll be happy to have decent honey from a place I like. And if I get a suitable chance to try its other properties out, I won’t hesitate. If it lasts that long. It’s honey. It might not.
@demonbane @werehatrack
Ain’t gonna kill ya (probably). And yeah, honey is yummy. It’s just not magic.
/giphy perished-worn-nerd
And Drop Bear is real.
@bmf But drop bears are in Oz.
@bmf @werehatrack
nope
@bmf @chienfou Wait, drop bears aren’t real? Cancel my insurance!
I used to buy Manuka Honey for wound care for my Patient. Honey has many benefits. Unless of course you are under 1 yr old. I wouldn’t use this honey for WC, but I will try some. Good Price. Small Jars though.
@Mandamm same, now I
use this for wound care on my kids. These are 4am, 15 hrs shifts for me so correct me if I’m delirious but for those interested wound care min UMF 10, actually might be a decent level. Some studies say higher not necessarily related with additional antibacterial activity. Then again if I were dealing with a real nasty antibiotic resistant infection I’d probably go a bit higher and better known brand.
Anyways, 7cents an oz is pretty good. Haven’t heard of this brand before. Lots of fake ass honey in the world. In general you only want single source origin honey.
I also keep a jar of Manuka in my go bag, along with antibiotics. A bit heavy and this being glass is an issue but I can ditch it as needed. no water + get a cut is a pretty easy way to die so you should have something on hand.
As to taste, I prefer normal local raw US honey but it’s okay tasting. The people of NZ have a lot of marketing behind Manuka, it’s not magical stuff like they want
you to believe.
For those interested: https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/biol-2021-0084/html?lang=en&t&utm
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6814216/?t&utm
@Mandamm the surgeon that amputated Charliedoggos toe has his own hives and uses his honey for wound care in his practice. Seems he is quite successful with it - his is just regular honey without the wiz bang stuff this offering contains.
@qazxto Good find on that NIH cite, that’s more than I had known about. I will note that anyone who has made mead can attest that honey has to be diluted rather a lot before it loses its ability to suppress growth of anything unicellular or fungal. That antibiotic capability isn’t going to survive the digestive process, though it can disrupt the gut flora in certain well-known instances. The ability to dehydrate pathogens is a known property of a number of things used as topical antiseptics traditionally, high-strength alcohols being a popular one that gained a lot of use in the past few years, and was widely disdained by some without notably changing their outcomes as far as they could tell. Wound infection control is a lot more straightforward since the results of a lack of care are generally well-known. I will also note that it’s been rather a long time since I was last reminded of this use for honey, but I think the availability of other options may be a lot of the reason. Manuka’s extra capacities make its capabilities intriguing.
I’m not going to try making mead with it, though.
Honey, I shrunk my budget.
Yeah this stuff is clucking delicious. Imma max out my order for Xmas gifts this year.
/giphy magic-shrieking-howl
/giphy impious-mournful-banshee
So it’s non-GMO, but high in MGO. OMG!
@Doodpants ISWYDT.
There was a time when meh would have bitten the bullet and provided the (2) jars to customers that bought the product while they were accidentally advertising it as (2) jars for nearly 10 hours.
The description in the product specs on this forum page "2x End Of The World Honey Raw New Zealand Manuka Honey in 10.6oz Glass Jar”
Now they just say, “Oops! sorry! It’s only one jar. Cancel your order if you were stupid enough to believe what we actually said.”
@Trinityscrew I thought there was a law that said you had to honor the posted deal, even if it was a mistake.
@Trinityscrew well Im glad I saw this otherwise I would have been pretty upset when I opened my box…
Guess Ill cancel and stick w the local hone I use already.
@katbyter @Trinityscrew There is no law that the posted deal that was then changed after you bought needs to be honored unless the posted deal was done purposely to mislead customers.
@Trinityscrew @katbyter @tinamarine1974 The majority of the deal was advertised correctly especially on the main page of the offer – every instance we state “jar” singular, the comparison price is for one jar, and we do not have “2 for” in the price box like we would on a 2-pack offer (which if you’re a regular, you’d know that is our standard). We are allowing cancellations for any reason if you don’t want this honey!
@katbyter @Trinityscrew @troy sounds like a raw honey deal
Let me get this straight, I am supposed to play with this food?
I won’t get yelled at for smearing it all over my body?
@blaineg wait … So is this an ointment, an edible, or both?
I already had a bad time learning shea butter wasn’t meant for cooking and what the difference between nontoxic and inedible (thanks Playdoh)
@blaineg @pakopako All right, you two. Calm down. Now pay attention.
This is honey. It’s tasty, and goes well on biscuits and other things, but if you get it all over you, then you’re going to be hauled outside and hosed off until you aren’t sticky, and then you’ll have to take a shower besides because we don’t want to know what else is sticky.
Now, it you get an oopsie that might get infected, it’s OK to smear just a dab of this on it, and PLEASE cover it up with a bandage so that it doesn’t get all over everything. And no, you may not let the puppy or your little brother lick it off.
Okay, do you understand now?
@pakopako @werehatrack
Spoilsport!
@blaineg @pakopako @werehatrack
What a scold!
@blaineg @Kyeh @pakopako @werehatrack
Wait. What? You mean I can’t smear it all over a certain someone while they slept (I’d like to send to Jupiter without a space suit but meh hasn’t sold the right sized spaceship with enough fuel yet) and then place them near a fire ant hill.
@blaineg @Kidsandliz @Kyeh @pakopako @werehatrack I believe once you purchase said product, you are free to do with it what you wish. If, in fact, you would like to bathe in it, please do so. That said, please do not complain if you develp an ant problem or if everything sticks to you.
We all have our own freak, and as long as you are not hurting anyone, who cares! Viva la difference!!!
Love Mistress Goat
You guys gonna use proper dunnage to protect the jars in shipping?
(Remember when dunnage was a thing?)
I don’t order much any more - don’t know if you have resolved this past problem.
@kdemo
Not really, I only came across the word fairly recently.
@blaineg @kdemo I used to read old books, so I knew that “dunnage” could refer to whatever the stevedores had stashed around the valuable cargo to protect it during the transit. This could include other cargo deemed less breakable.
@blaineg @werehatrack - Meh shipments suffered quite a lot of breakage in the early days. Staff referred to dunnage in the forum and they were teased about it for a while.
@kdemo so excited someone knows what dunnage is, I’m a nerd!
@kdemo Ha ha no, just showed up in a box. They’re fine in their cardboard tubes, but nothing else was there to cushion.
@mossygreen - Thanks!
Good to know meh has remained mediocre.
@kdemo @mossygreen Once someone sent us Vietnamese Fish Sauce (my kid loves it). They didn’t wrap it, just put it in a wine or something box that was only marginally bigger than the jar of the fish sauce… It broke. I got a call from the post office wondering if if they needed to take their workers to the hospital due to how bad it smelled (pretty terrible in my opinion and plenty of other people’s opinion) and they had no idea what it was. They had it in a post office wheeled container on their back loading dock. My kid was very sad.
@kdemo @Kidsandliz @mossygreen I once shipped a case of jars of a special garlic concoction to Seattle with no breakage. Via FXG. The engineer who received it was impressed by my packaging.
@Kidsandliz @mossygreen - Oof! Fish sauce - I can’t even imagine how funky - it must have reeked.
@kdemo @mossygreen In my opinion fish sauce is horrible. Anyone in the house after she used it would say the house smelled bad. Yup it did.
@kdemo @mossygreen visitors would say. Left out visitors.
@kdemo my two (which were certainly not 2-for, the bastards) were just throw into a large box and bumping into eachother. one was wrapped in a thin layer of bubble wrap
@caffeineguy - I didn’t even get any bubble wrap. The safety seal is torn open on both jars. Unfortunate, as these were a gift.
Wonder how many times I have to learn this lesson?
Edit: I scrolled down the page and found I am not the only one with the same problem.
Dunnage, people!!
Forgot to mention my appropriate order phrase -
demonic-sticky-fall.
/giphy demonic-sticky-fall
SWMBO said: “Oooh, yeah.” So,
/giphy frigid-nasty-goodies
@blaineg I’m having second thoughts because of that order number.
/showme frigid-nasty-goodies
/showme cloudy terrorizing evil
@mehcuda67 I guess it didn’t want to show me cloudy terrorizing evil.
C’mon mediocrebot, I can take it!
/showme cloudy terrorizing evil
@mediocrebot Now that’s an encouraging order number.
So if you use this topically, can you lick it off afterwards?
Asking for a friend.
@mehcuda67 See response to @blaineg and @pakopako above.
Good choice for “world hummingbird and butterfly day” mostly bee-cause they’re also pollinators. ok, i’ll show myself out…
/showme abandoned-scary-hydra
Screw it. I’m back as a member
@dave This (recorded “interview”) is a first. We hit a nerve eh?
Seriously though you might think about doing this more often. I found it entertaining how you responded to some of the comments on this thread.
@dave That’s possibly the most candid product discussion I have ever heard. Damn fine job.
@dave notebooklm in action
/giphy disembodied-grievous-vampire
I received my order yesterday and I liked it so much that I ordered two more jars and sent them to my brother in law.
So I got my order. It was only one not two per the description and the jar is leaking all over the inside of the packaging. So I’ll be taking a hard pass on this one. Support emailed. Super bummed.
Jar arrived unbroken, tamper seal intact, but had leaked all over anyway. Not very happy with this one.
Received my order today. Was excited to try this honey out. Opened the box to find honey leaking out of the cardboard tube. Opened the tube to find a broken jar half full of expensive honey. Come on, Meh! We need better packing than this. Not happy.
@RFam Make sure you let them know at meh.com/support
@werehatrack Just did. Thanks.
Mine arrived leaking too. The tamper seal was broken and lid was twisted so the seal didn’t even line up anymore. No idea how that could have happened accidently in shipping. Support contacted.
@arysta were yours actually packaged nicely, or just thrown into a box like mine?
@caffeineguy I think everyone had the big empty box with two cardboard tubes rolling around inside (the jars wedged inside those tubes)
@caffeineguy It was actually in a bubble mailer bag inside of a box, so it wasn’t too bad, but I’m almost wondering if it had been in there for a while. Some of the honey that leaked out seemed too dry for it to have started leaking only a couple days ago during shipping.
Anyone buy different MGO levels?
I’ve got the 45 next to the 100 and the lower count moves quite more easily (I can swish it in the bottle and a foamy wave is there; it moves fairly quickly side to side). The 100 remains stiff; I hold it upsidedown and the air bubble takes 2 hours to move to a new position.
Received my order and same as others, one bottle was leaking and the tamper seal was quite clearly tampered with. Odd. Refund was issued promptly.
@Deftoned989 same, I received a nasty package with honey spilled out everywhere. Refund requested
From the original post
I ordered thinking it was 2xs the amount and even ordered some as gifts and now the person I shipped it to is only getting one.
If mine haven’t shipped I would like a refund. Thanks.
From original post: it wouldn’t let me put out the whole page:
What’s Included?
• 2x End Of The World Honey Raw New Zealand Manuka Honey in 10.6oz Glass
@el1c1a Check meh.com/orders to see if it’s still in Processing. If so, maybe it can still be zapped, head over to meh.com/support and make the request.
@el1c1a Yeah, I ordered at 12:24AM thinking I was getting a bunch of gifts for folks. Placed an order for 3, and yet only got 2 jars bouncing around in the box?! Then they sell them on Sidedeal 2 for $18?
And now for a note about the honey from a flavor and consistency standpoint. The important thing is that yes, it tastes like honey, but the flavor is stronger than and inferior to orange blossom, clover, and most wildflower honeys. I would not characterize it as bad, but there is probably less danger that the resident sweet-teeth in any given household will raid the jar if alternatives are available. Additionally, the honey is partly crystallized and much higher in viscosity than might be expected. Will I reserve mine exclusively for wound care? No. But I won’t put it out with fresh-baked things where honey might be expected, either. I plan to make these two jars stretch for a while.
I should add that this is for the 100 type, the other two may be different in this area.
@werehatrack Decades ago before manuka honey was a “thing” in this country, I was told by a Doctor to use the “medicinal grade” stuff on a wound that kept getting infected. Less than 2 oz. for about $100 (hard to remember because insurance paid part of it), and stopped the infection. I tasted it - because honey, and the Doctor said it was okay. Turpentine and vinegar with a slight taste of honey. Definitely not something you would want to eat even if it weren’t so expensive. The much lower grades (the lower count the better) of manuka honey are quite tasty to the point of being addictive, though I seriously doubt that they have any health benefits beyond other honeys.
Arrived broken, sticky—[too] many such cases!