I like a good duck breast as much as anyone. It’s not something that’s always prepared properly, and there’s a dark, prominent, bold-faced line between good duck breast and bad duck breast. Bad duck breast is not worth eating, no matter what you do to it. Good duck breast should never be wasted on a sandwich.
@mike808@therealjrn The lede is the lede, but the lead is what’s needed to blast those duckies out of the sky so we can slap them on a burger bun. (Well actually, we are forced to use steel shot as of a few years ago to lessen the environmental impact…but that’s just semantics.)
@mike808@therealjrn From the link:
“‘You schmucks who use ridiculous journo-terms make me crazy! Finally, someone is willing to speak out against the use of “lede” in public. Because, ha ha, sucka, there’s no reason for it! (Plus, MOST OF YOU ARE JUST BLOGGERS.)’
—Choire Sicha, The Awl, 19 Sept. 2011”
@Limewater@mike808 Oh, not to worry, mike808 isn’t a blogger, he’s just a pedantic forum poster. My use of the term “bury the lead” is perfectly acceptable to most modern readers. Thanks!
@Limewater@therealjrn
Before that quote of a self-professed “journalist” blogger (and I use the word “journalist” loosley to give perhaps far more professional credibility than is due - popularity is not truth as facts do not exist not a democracy), is a quote from far more worthy source, a decade earlier, the New York Times.
William Safire, who knew a thing or two about newsrooms, wrote in his New York Times “On Language” column in 1990, “Wouldn’t it be easier if the noun for the metal were spelled the way it sounded (led, to rhyme with dead) and the noun for the beginning of a newspaper story were spelled the way it is pronounced (lede, or leed, to rhyme with deed)?”
Comparing a DIY self-proclaimed blogger from 2001 (.com boom, remember) with an experenced industry expert at a legendary newspaper institution ten years earlier on the topic of printing/typography etymology is like comparing mere “people with opinions” to actual, qualified scientists commenting in their field.
@therealjrn The current connotative meaning is likely furthered (and conflated) by tee vee talking heads reading a scripted “lead story” as in the phrase “if it bleeds, it leads”. Meaning the story leads the presentation of other stories that follow.
I’m not saying the meanings of words don’t change over time. They do. I’m saying that discussing the origins of a word’s meaning cannot reference different later usages as authoritative or definitive on its etymology.
The current connotative meaning is likely furthered (and conflated) by tee vee talking heads reading a scripted “lead story” as in the phrase “if it bleeds, it leads”. Meaning the story leads the presentation of other stories that follow.
That’s actually what I thought it meant. All this led lede stuff is news to me!
@RiotDemon@shahnm Farm raised duck is pretty fatty (which is what I’m guessing Arby’s is serving) but REAL quackers are actually pretty lean since they have to fly thousands of miles per year.
@RiotDemon I managed to get a couple of the venison sandwiches; they were good but not great compared to the sliced venison and venison chops I used to mooch off of my room-mate, who hunted every year. The juniper-something BBQ sauce was excellent though.
I’m disappointed the same Arby’s isn’t getting these sandwiches. I’m going to whine at the manager.
Well, if nothing else I learned a little about Cambridge MD (~4-1/2 hours’ drive) and Wyomissing PA (~3 hours’ drive), which are the closest to me in NY City.
(Yes, I have stuff, like laundry and vacuuming to do, which is why I’m doing things like learning about the towns where I could get an Arby’s duck breast sandwich.)
@craigthom You might be surprised at how much harder that might be when using sous vide. It is impossible to overcook something temperature-wise using that method. You can overcook things by cooking them too long, however.
@craigthom Don’t know. Nearest Arby’s to me with duck is 300 miles away. I do see a drawback in that if you sous vide, you are committing to cooking that many pieces that day. If you take them out the fridge as ordered, you have no wasted pieces. For a menu item, consistency-wise, sous vide wins every time.
@craigthom@mike808 the link up there calls it “seared duck breast sandwich”, but i swear that when this was first announced, they said Sous Vide cooked…
@craigthom@earlyre Yeah, me too. It was gone when I checked, which is why I back-tracked on the SV claim. Doesn’t surprise me if some marketer realized “seared” sells and is undertood better by Arby’s customers in these rural nowheresville duck-hunting towns than “sous vide” does.
Not near me.
OMG I would absolutely go for this! Duck breast is one of my favourite things!
Too bad this is not happening in Canada!!!
Wut no Duk Sanvidches in SoAZ? M R Duks in Reid Park!
Hmm… Drive 3 hours to see what Arby’s does to a duck breast? And put horsey sauce on it?
@djslack For me it’s a mere 2 hours & 52 minutes away.
I like a good duck breast as much as anyone. It’s not something that’s always prepared properly, and there’s a dark, prominent, bold-faced line between good duck breast and bad duck breast. Bad duck breast is not worth eating, no matter what you do to it. Good duck breast should never be wasted on a sandwich.
Ergo: sandwich and duck breast cannot coexist.
@mike808 You’d think the OP would not have buried the lead like they did.
@therealjrn That’s “lede”. It’s a typography term from ye olden days of yore.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/bury-the-lede-versus-lead
Thanks, @mike808, for saving me from having to say this.
I’d have to travel thru at least two states to get to any of those states (let alone those cities), so almost certain that I won’t be trying it.
@baqui63 @mike808 Spr¯æc īs Grêne
@mike808 @therealjrn The lede is the lede, but the lead is what’s needed to blast those duckies out of the sky so we can slap them on a burger bun. (Well actually, we are forced to use steel shot as of a few years ago to lessen the environmental impact…but that’s just semantics.)
@mike808 @therealjrn From the link:
“‘You schmucks who use ridiculous journo-terms make me crazy! Finally, someone is willing to speak out against the use of “lede” in public. Because, ha ha, sucka, there’s no reason for it! (Plus, MOST OF YOU ARE JUST BLOGGERS.)’
—Choire Sicha, The Awl, 19 Sept. 2011”
@Limewater @mike808 Oh, not to worry, mike808 isn’t a blogger, he’s just a pedantic forum poster. My use of the term “bury the lead” is perfectly acceptable to most modern readers. Thanks!
@Limewater @therealjrn
Before that quote of a self-professed “journalist” blogger (and I use the word “journalist” loosley to give perhaps far more professional credibility than is due - popularity is not truth as facts do not exist not a democracy), is a quote from far more worthy source, a decade earlier, the New York Times.
Comparing a DIY self-proclaimed blogger from 2001 (.com boom, remember) with an experenced industry expert at a legendary newspaper institution ten years earlier on the topic of printing/typography etymology is like comparing mere “people with opinions” to actual, qualified scientists commenting in their field.
@therealjrn The current connotative meaning is likely furthered (and conflated) by tee vee talking heads reading a scripted “lead story” as in the phrase “if it bleeds, it leads”. Meaning the story leads the presentation of other stories that follow.
I’m not saying the meanings of words don’t change over time. They do. I’m saying that discussing the origins of a word’s meaning cannot reference different later usages as authoritative or definitive on its etymology.
@mike808
That’s actually what I thought it meant. All this led lede stuff is news to me!
@therealjrn Glad I could help anchor your understanding in facts.
@mike808 Like a lede weight!
I missed the venison sandwich last year. No duck in the state of Florida. Oh well.
@RiotDemon Go out to your local lake, pond, river, intercoastal, or water feature and grab your own…
@shahnm my brother is currently hunting deer. Hopefully he’ll bring back some.
I’m not sad about the duck. Pretty fatty.
@RiotDemon @shahnm Farm raised duck is pretty fatty (which is what I’m guessing Arby’s is serving) but REAL quackers are actually pretty lean since they have to fly thousands of miles per year.
@tohar1 good to know.
@RiotDemon I managed to get a couple of the venison sandwiches; they were good but not great compared to the sliced venison and venison chops I used to mooch off of my room-mate, who hunted every year. The juniper-something BBQ sauce was excellent though.
I’m disappointed the same Arby’s isn’t getting these sandwiches. I’m going to whine at the manager.
Well, if nothing else I learned a little about Cambridge MD (~4-1/2 hours’ drive) and Wyomissing PA (~3 hours’ drive), which are the closest to me in NY City.
I did notice that Wyomissing’s web site does not mention having an Arby’s in its list of restaurants. The site does mention the McDonalds and Applebees and many other places. Perhaps the Arby’s is new in town?
(Yes, I have stuff, like laundry and vacuuming to do, which is why I’m doing things like learning about the towns where I could get an Arby’s duck breast sandwich.)
@baqui63 cambridge md i have been there. It is a cute small nautical town.
@CaptAmehrican Yes, that is what their website and other info seemed to indicate.
I can’t imagine that it won’t be overcooked and overseasoned. Because it’s Arby’s. They can fuck up bacon.
@craigthom You might be surprised at how much harder that might be when using sous vide. It is impossible to overcook something temperature-wise using that method. You can overcook things by cooking them too long, however.
@mike808 I would really be surprised if Arby’s is using sous vide to cook their duck breast sandwich.
Are you suggesting that they are, or are you just proselytizing?
@craigthom Don’t know. Nearest Arby’s to me with duck is 300 miles away. I do see a drawback in that if you sous vide, you are committing to cooking that many pieces that day. If you take them out the fridge as ordered, you have no wasted pieces. For a menu item, consistency-wise, sous vide wins every time.
@craigthom @mike808 the link up there calls it “seared duck breast sandwich”, but i swear that when this was first announced, they said Sous Vide cooked…
@craigthom @earlyre Yeah, me too. It was gone when I checked, which is why I back-tracked on the SV claim. Doesn’t surprise me if some marketer realized “seared” sells and is undertood better by Arby’s customers in these rural nowheresville duck-hunting towns than “sous vide” does.
It’s was 15 minutes away from me. I didn’t feel like putting on pants.
@Epinardian I know!
