@rockblossom It was a supreme pain in the ass working in IT. We had to do a ton of work patching servers and testing to fit the new DST. It cost a bunch of money and time, then ended up being a total wash.
@The_Baron omg it's AWFUL especially for global systems because BST in the UK (etc.) kicks in at a different time and scheduled tasks become fhghfgjfhgjfhg
@luvche21 Yeah, but it's actually more of a pain in the ass here, because all the relationships with other time zones change. Daylight savings time is fucking stupid and useless.
@Headly See, counties here in Indiana choose whether they're in eastern or central time, so one county to the next is different which is THE STUPIDEST THING I HAVE EVER HEARD. I talked to someone in Santa Claus Indiana (yep, you heard it) a year back -- they're right on the boarder between eastern and central. The guy said that some cell phone towers for some carriers are over the border, so everyone's cell phones are off by an hour depending on what carrier they have.
I fucking love it. Really, Congress did screw up when it changed the dates a decade ago, but without DST, we'd have 4:15 a.m. sunrises and 7:30 sunsets in the summer, and who the fuck wants that? And in the winter if we didn't change back, sunrises and sunsets would be stupidly late, and who the fuck wants that? If you can't deal with a day of jet lag, just admit you're like Chuck on Better Call Saul and you should close all your blinds and hide under a big fucking tinfoil blanket. And cry a lot.
Here is how you can find out the sunrises and sunsets for a year for your city to see how shitty life would be if we didn't change the time twice a year.
@editorkid i think i could better deal with stupidly late sunrises and sunsets in winter. i've read that DST does still have it's intended effect of conserving energy, but i don't really care. unless they start doing spring ahead on friday afternoons, then i'll be for it.
@katylava And one more. (I personally don't like DST because we get up at six to go walking to miss the people driving their kids to school and the school buses and the people going to work. We have no sidewalks, lots of hills and we're not gonna walk in the dark, it's just not safe. We walked at six last week, not this week. I wish they'd leave it one way or the other and quit changing it.) http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/11/131101-when-does-daylight-savings-time-end-november-3-science/
@editorkid Who cares? THe time on a clock is arbitrary. The sun comes up when it comes up. I live in Phoenix - it's truly not a problem. We invented these things a long time ago called electric lights and window shades.
@Headly The time on the clock may be arbitrary but the time on the clock when I have to be at my desk isn't.
Interestingly, most of the haters seem to live in the South, where the weather is glorious all year round and there's even more sunshine every day (along with less cloud cover). Really, we Northeners would like a few months of sitting outside in the slowly dimming light of a long summer evening with a cold beer or two. That kind of Norman Rockwell scene doesn't do anything for you, I guess, because you can do that all year round.
@editorkid " Oh, and if John Fucking Oliver doesn't like it, maybe he should fucking move back to fucking England." If I complain about DST then I have to leave US? What kind of logic is that? Everyone has a right to complain and argue based on his or her own belief and logic. Isn't that what democracy and the freedom of speech are all about? I think it's you who should leave. Go to China or Russia. They kick people out for complaining, so they suit you perfectly. PS: John Oliver and I both live in the nothern part of US, so don't drag northeners into your logic.
@editorkid Well, here in Phoenix, businesses that need to, like restaurants for example, adjust their operating hours. On June 21st the sun comes up at 4:45 or so. 5:45 isn't really any better. Personally I don't care which way it goes. If it would make everyone happy, just make DST permanent and AZ can move to the Pacific timezone. It's the constant changing that I don't like - it's solving a problem that doesn't really exist.
@editorkid My problem with that table is that even adding the hour, sunrise is at frakking 5:24AM in mid-June (New York, NY). This is fucking insanely early. Sunrise should be at like 6:30 AM... even 7:30 AM would be fine. If we are going to screw with time, we should at least do it correctly and add two or three hours. Also, why not just change the start times for things? Even with DST, we still have kids going to school (or coming home) in the dark at least part of the time.
@borisparsley I couldn't check that out until now thanks to my work PC lacking sound... it's great and a little cathartic after the world o' whining we've all heard this week. Thanks!
@editorkid Except for the 22% increase in cardiac deaths and concommitant increases in traffic and industrial fatalities that also occur in the week or two after DST starts. Even better, the rates are 22% less in the week following the switch back.
@PhysAssist Clearly the 22% increase isn't caused by DST; people gain and lose an hour or more routinely as they travel and end up not dying. What's more likely here is that people who have been sedentary all winter overexert themselves as they have more daylight and realize what toads they've been all winter and maybe a jog or two wouldn't be a bad idea and then the Darwin effect does its job. And if the rate is dropping by the same amount the week after DST ends, clearly it isn't the change having that effect, because that would suggest it's the absolute time (UTC) that makes the difference, not a change relative to UTC. But I do agree that people who have a hard time navigating this bit of jet lag would be better off taking a personal day or two to adjust.
@SpeakerDoc There's a certain consistency to this. Different countries (and states/territories) either switch on different dates or not at all. This way we could be consistently a half-hour off from all of them.
@rockblossom except for the countries that are in half-hour time zones already, and Nepal which is at 45 minutes... but they do whatever the hell they want, just look at their flag
I'm up early - 5 am five days a week. I don't mind it dark when I get up. I do love it being light an extra hour into the evening now, though. Outdoor activities (baseball, yay!) are much more enjoyable when not played in the dark.
The best way to combat DST is to work through the missing/additional hour. That way, when you wake up, it doesn't feel weird. I've done this the last few years and I don't feel as disoriented during time changes.
Some years ago, when newspapers were still relevant, our local paper had a column called "Tell the Times" where they had an answering machine record readers' calls and they would print some of them verbatim in the paper.
One summer there was a comment printed to the effect of "Someone needs to tell these people in Congress to get rid of daylight savings time. We have had enough of this nonsense. The extra hour of sunlight is killing my lawn."
Everyone in America should switch to GMT. Not only would it solve the DST problems, but it would also give everyone an equal shot at meh's daily deals.
Hate DST, and all of our brilliant members of Congress who voted to make it begin earlier and end later.
@rockblossom It was a supreme pain in the ass working in IT. We had to do a ton of work patching servers and testing to fit the new DST. It cost a bunch of money and time, then ended up being a total wash.
@The_Baron omg it's AWFUL especially for global systems because BST in the UK (etc.) kicks in at a different time and scheduled tasks become fhghfgjfhgjfhg
Censorship never ceases to piss me off. Isn't this show supposed to be at like 11 PM anyway and on HBO? Does YouTube tell them to do it?
@molfsontan yes, to all of the above. the Bleeps and Blurs are NOT there on the Broadcast, just on the segments posted to Youtube
"We're going to a place where daylight savings doesn't exist. ......They call it Arizona."
@luvche21 Yeah, but it's actually more of a pain in the ass here, because all the relationships with other time zones change. Daylight savings time is fucking stupid and useless.
@Headly See, counties here in Indiana choose whether they're in eastern or central time, so one county to the next is different which is THE STUPIDEST THING I HAVE EVER HEARD. I talked to someone in Santa Claus Indiana (yep, you heard it) a year back -- they're right on the boarder between eastern and central. The guy said that some cell phone towers for some carriers are over the border, so everyone's cell phones are off by an hour depending on what carrier they have.
@luvche21 I used to live in Indiana. I'm familiar with SC.
@Headly @luvche21 Jay Cutler is from Santa Claus, IN!
@bruceoite Jay Cutler sucks, though. Santa Claus does not.
@luvche21 Except on the Native American Nation properties where they observe stupid DST!
Leave it to congress to cut a foot off the end of a blanket, sew it back on to the top, and declare the blanket a foot longer.
I fucking love it. Really, Congress did screw up when it changed the dates a decade ago, but without DST, we'd have 4:15 a.m. sunrises and 7:30 sunsets in the summer, and who the fuck wants that? And in the winter if we didn't change back, sunrises and sunsets would be stupidly late, and who the fuck wants that? If you can't deal with a day of jet lag, just admit you're like Chuck on Better Call Saul and you should close all your blinds and hide under a big fucking tinfoil blanket. And cry a lot.
Here is how you can find out the sunrises and sunsets for a year for your city to see how shitty life would be if we didn't change the time twice a year.
Oh, and if John Fucking Oliver doesn't like it, maybe he should fucking move back to fucking England.
@editorkid I'm not sure I've ever agreed with you this much....that bothers me a bit.
@editorkid i think i could better deal with stupidly late sunrises and sunsets in winter. i've read that DST does still have it's intended effect of conserving energy, but i don't really care. unless they start doing spring ahead on friday afternoons, then i'll be for it.
@editorkid meh.
@katylava
http://qz.com/357821/theres-no-proof-daylight-savings-time-saves-electricity-so-why-do-we-even-bother/
@katylava
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-daylight-saving-times-save-energy/
@katylava And one more. (I personally don't like DST because we get up at six to go walking to miss the people driving their kids to school and the school buses and the people going to work. We have no sidewalks, lots of hills and we're not gonna walk in the dark, it's just not safe. We walked at six last week, not this week. I wish they'd leave it one way or the other and quit changing it.)
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/11/131101-when-does-daylight-savings-time-end-november-3-science/
@editorkid Who cares? THe time on a clock is arbitrary. The sun comes up when it comes up. I live in Phoenix - it's truly not a problem. We invented these things a long time ago called electric lights and window shades.
@Headly The time on the clock may be arbitrary but the time on the clock when I have to be at my desk isn't.
Interestingly, most of the haters seem to live in the South, where the weather is glorious all year round and there's even more sunshine every day (along with less cloud cover). Really, we Northeners would like a few months of sitting outside in the slowly dimming light of a long summer evening with a cold beer or two. That kind of Norman Rockwell scene doesn't do anything for you, I guess, because you can do that all year round.
@editorkid " Oh, and if John Fucking Oliver doesn't like it, maybe he should fucking move back to fucking England." If I complain about DST then I have to leave US? What kind of logic is that? Everyone has a right to complain and argue based on his or her own belief and logic. Isn't that what democracy and the freedom of speech are all about? I think it's you who should leave. Go to China or Russia. They kick people out for complaining, so they suit you perfectly. PS: John Oliver and I both live in the nothern part of US, so don't drag northeners into your logic.
@editorkid Well, here in Phoenix, businesses that need to, like restaurants for example, adjust their operating hours. On June 21st the sun comes up at 4:45 or so. 5:45 isn't really any better. Personally I don't care which way it goes. If it would make everyone happy, just make DST permanent and AZ can move to the Pacific timezone. It's the constant changing that I don't like - it's solving a problem that doesn't really exist.
@JasonKim See, England has BST, so...
@editorkid
@borisparsley IS THIS MILK STILL GOOD
@borisparsley "IS THIS MILK STILL GOOD" - Fucking thread winner right there.
@editorkid My problem with that table is that even adding the hour, sunrise is at frakking 5:24AM in mid-June (New York, NY). This is fucking insanely early. Sunrise should be at like 6:30 AM... even 7:30 AM would be fine. If we are going to screw with time, we should at least do it correctly and add two or three hours. Also, why not just change the start times for things? Even with DST, we still have kids going to school (or coming home) in the dark at least part of the time.
@baqui63 Not to mention the crazy twilights as latitude increases. We have weeks of pre-5AM gloaming in Minneapolis.
@borisparsley I couldn't check that out until now thanks to my work PC lacking sound... it's great and a little cathartic after the world o' whining we've all heard this week. Thanks!
@editorkid sure thing homie
@editorkid Except for the 22% increase in cardiac deaths and concommitant increases in traffic and industrial fatalities that also occur in the week or two after DST starts. Even better, the rates are 22% less in the week following the switch back.
@PhysAssist Clearly the 22% increase isn't caused by DST; people gain and lose an hour or more routinely as they travel and end up not dying. What's more likely here is that people who have been sedentary all winter overexert themselves as they have more daylight and realize what toads they've been all winter and maybe a jog or two wouldn't be a bad idea and then the Darwin effect does its job. And if the rate is dropping by the same amount the week after DST ends, clearly it isn't the change having that effect, because that would suggest it's the absolute time (UTC) that makes the difference, not a change relative to UTC. But I do agree that people who have a hard time navigating this bit of jet lag would be better off taking a personal day or two to adjust.
@editorkid I don't agree with you, my friend, but I admire and celebrate the passion and eloquence of your argument.
@borisparsley I fucking hate gloaming.
Let's just settle at the half hour between and be done with it once and for all.
@SpeakerDoc There's a certain consistency to this. Different countries (and states/territories) either switch on different dates or not at all. This way we could be consistently a half-hour off from all of them.
@rockblossom except for the countries that are in half-hour time zones already, and Nepal which is at 45 minutes... but they do whatever the hell they want, just look at their flag
I'm up early - 5 am five days a week. I don't mind it dark when I get up. I do love it being light an extra hour into the evening now, though. Outdoor activities (baseball, yay!) are much more enjoyable when not played in the dark.
You know who hated Daylight Savings Time?
HitlerPaul Harvey.@borisparsley Good day.
@borisparsley Now we know the rest of the story.
Yeah, another of my pet peeves. Who does it benefit? I say lock this in a safe along with the U.S. penny and drop it over the Marianas trench.
(oddly enough, deep.dark.trench is in the mountains in Utah.)
The best way to combat DST is to work through the missing/additional hour. That way, when you wake up, it doesn't feel weird. I've done this the last few years and I don't feel as disoriented during time changes.
Some years ago, when newspapers were still relevant, our local paper had a column called "Tell the Times" where they had an answering machine record readers' calls and they would print some of them verbatim in the paper.
One summer there was a comment printed to the effect of "Someone needs to tell these people in Congress to get rid of daylight savings time. We have had enough of this nonsense. The extra hour of sunlight is killing my lawn."
I think it makes people sterile.
Everyone in America should switch to GMT. Not only would it solve the DST problems, but it would also give everyone an equal shot at meh's daily deals.
@nadroj Peace in our time
DST is extremely trippy when you are in the middle east.... its like... DST happened..... and then.... nothing?
Standard time sucks. DST all year!