This is the update which introduces user controlled battery management. I have experienced the effects of of performance throttling on my iPhone 6 and my iPad Pro (2017). So I’ll be giving it a try… after 11.3.1 is released.
My iPhone was so stable and peppy before I upgraded from 9 to 10. Everything worked, no buggy behavior, it was as Steve Jobs promised of Apple Devices: “It just works.”
Ever since upgrading beyond iOS 9 it’s been unpredictable. I really want it to “just work” again.
@f00l I won’t be buying another Apple phone unless stuff changes. Another feature I lost when I lupgraded” from iOS 10: selectable notification sounds. Now everything makes the same freakin sound! Sure, I can change the ringtone and text notification, but EVERYTHING else makes the same sound. New Gmail message? Motion alert from my home monitoring system? Surveillance cameras detected motion or signal loss? Garage door opened? Network failure or fire at the office? Or a simple app update notification? No matter what, they all make the same noise. Because some of the things I’ve installed are very important to be alerted to, I now have to check every single notification. That’s dozens of notifications a day. In iOS 9 I could assign unique sounds and could tell by the blip if it was something important. I’m pretty sure Android still permits selectable sounds, so if I’ll switch back when I replace this iPhone.
@f00l I’ve looked extensively for a solution. If there is one… it’s evading detection by me.
I’ve actually considered buying a second, very inexpensive Android phone, not activating it, and using hotspot data on my iPhone as a wifi data connection for the Android. This would let me have the selectible notifications. It’s a matter of which is less annoying: Having to check my phone every time it blips, or carrying two phones and not having to check.
@f00l@ruouttaurmind I know this is unsolicited advice that doesn’t help with your actual problem, but have you guys considered disabling at least noises for everything non-critical? I’m sure I’d have destroyed my phone by now if I allowed even 1/4 of the apps that wanted to notify me, to notify me. Notifications are disruptive, attention-stealing cancer, if you ask me. I mean, really give thought to how much serenity you could have – such a life, without phone noises, only opening apps of your own volition.
I did come across a bunch of 2016 complaints that iOS 10 broke custom notification sounds. People got them back, temporarily, after rebooting their phones. (I bet @ruouttaurmind’s right – iOS 10 was that big notification update, and 11 had some notification privacy-related stuff in it.)
@InnocuousFarmer I generally do not give notification permissions to every little app I download. In fact, I don’t really download apps willy-nilly. Everything I have on my phone or tablet serves a specific utility purpose, plus Solitare.
There are apps I want to be notified by, and will check eventually, then there are apps which, when I receive a notification, are urgent. Right now all priorities of apps give the same sound. Previously I could differentiate between an incoming email notification or a posted credit card pmt, and, say, a server crash or alarm system notification.
@ruouttaurmind I somehow found myself in the Apple software beta group (long before it went public). Things noticeably changed when Cook took over. Bugs would be reported and fixed then show up in the final release. A lot of other odd things were going on as well. It seemed clear that the engineers were taking over and being lazy with Cook being hands off where Jobs would have fired huge groups of engineers. A lot of people left the beta at this point.
I don’t use a smartphone and my iPad is only for reading before sleep. I haven’t updated my MBPros in a couple months and if I was really nervous about an update on a Mac I would run that update on an external drive first (how the beta suggests running).
@ruouttaurmind Honest question: why would you want a sound attached to a thing that you don’t want to interrupt you (credit card payments being a prime example)? You can still see messages on your lock screen, or in whatever the notification stack screen is called, without audible notifications, so you could still check in occasionally, and see a history of events, without being interrupted in the mean time. That’d leave audible notifications for only the genuinely urgent things. I’m more curious than suggesting this as a solution, since, I’d imagine, you’ve already thought of it.
@InnocuousFarmer As far as credit card pmts, I’m specifically referring to merchant account batching transactions. I expect 6 each banking day, and if one doesn’t transfer properly it’s usually an indication that something went wrong on my end when we closed the batch.
In order to avoid losing approved transactions I like to resolve batch errors within the day the transactions occurred. Too long a delay, and the pending transactions will void out. We have to process them again. We wind up with an annoying percentage of declines if we have to re-run a billing cycle after the payment due date.
Successful batching doesn’t occur on a set schedule. There there might be as much as a 8 or 10 hour variance. Otherwise I could just arrange my schedule to manually check status each day. So I get either push or text notifications upon success or failure.
I’m content with my iPhone and iPad. I believe my ancient macbook has seen better days, and is now on borrowed time. I may break down and get a new one, or at least something more recent (mine was new years ago, and hasn’t qualified for updates in several years).
This is my third iPhone (I think it’s an 8, or 8S) and iPad. I’ve had android phones, and I would never use one again. They’re just not for me.
@thismyusername If you’re referring to my macbook, it quit having updates YEARS ago. It spends most of it’s time sleeping. I just checked on it yesterday, and realized it had been more than a year since the last time it had been used. I’m about to move anything interesting off, and then move it out of the way, until I decide what to do with it.
@thismyusername Yes, I know it could run other operating systems, but I have a house full of computers. It doesn’t make sense for me to put another OS on it, and besides it’s the ONLY item in the house that has a Microsoft Office license. If I were going to put another OS on it, it would probably be OpenBSD, but seriously, that doesn’t seem like a good use of my time.
There are books to read, and it’s getting warm enough to think about planting lettuce (after I get the weeds out of the lettuce bed), and maybe some string beans…
Right now, I’m reading an excellent collection of stories, by various authors, entitled “It Occurs to me That I am America” edited by Jonathan Santlofer (he also has a story in the collection). The ISBN is: 9781501179600 (in case someone was looking for it). It’s mixed; some of the stories haven’t done much for me, but others are ones I’ve marked to go back and read again, because they were so good.
If you’re referring to my macbook, it quit having updates YEARS ago
I use a Mac Xserve server in my office. When I bought it new in 2002 it came with Jaguar (10.2) installed. I installed the MacServe server environment, and that’s exactly how it’s been running ever since. "It just works. I use it for all our data (about 10% boilerplate Word and Excel files and 90% Adobe CC stuff). It serves up to about 30 users creating and editing server-based graphic and video data with zero delay ever, even when an active dataset backup is running. I’m confident it could server up to a hundred users without any performance issues. It’s SIXTEEN YEARS OLD and has 2GB of RAM!!!
This is the Apple I used to love. A company that made a product that just works. Period.
@f00l I’m sure you’re on this already, but just to be sure… after installing, did you go to the Battery section and disable the battery protection nonsense?
Every upgrade since and including 11 adds to my hatred. First, they fuck everything related to apps on the PC and kill older apps. Then, every update since 11 involves little tweaks that serve no purpose other than to irritate you until you get used to them.
Even better, since 11, Safari, which never crashed before, crashes constantly and Chrome does not work at all on my mini.
I was considering updating to an Ipad Pro(not sure if I should upgrade my Iphone 6, unless someones new camera blows me away. Seems my phone only is used for calls, texts and pictures). Now I am considering never buying another Apple product again.
I upgraded to 11.3 (one of the betas, actually) and my 6s got a lot faster. Overall responsiveness went up in an obvious way, and Geekbench 4 benchmarked twice … as many.
I think iOS 11.2 was throttling the CPU like it would have with a failing battery, and then 11.3 decided that the battery was in good condition following the upgrade – maybe reset something.
@f00l After exposing my phone to “winter-like conditions”, I was able to induce an involuntary shutdown while trying to perform somewhat demanding operations (noodling around in other apps with podcasts playing sped up in the background).
Now it’s back to being throttled and slow, with the “blah blah blah performance management has been applied blah blah” message in the Settings app. I was hoping it’d tell me more about the battery and performance than just boilerplate text. Guess that isn’t very Apple-like, though, exposing technical information.
The Settings app did give me a notification containing that same text. Showed up on my lock screen. That’s nice.
@f00l There is a little blue link “Disable…” – would be easy to miss. But I think I’m going to leave it enabled until I can get around to my free replacement battery. I’d rather have this thing be throttled than worry about it suddenly shutting down if I get it too cool.
My phone was part of the set that was eligible for free batteries to deal with this problem, long before the whole battery issue blew up in the media (see here).
I say that I don’t give a shit about Apple.
@RiotDemon
And yours is the only response so far? That’s good!
Is this a sign?
Perhaps our species makes some progress then.
/giphy progress
@f00l @RiotDemon
This is the update which introduces user controlled battery management. I have experienced the effects of of performance throttling on my iPhone 6 and my iPad Pro (2017). So I’ll be giving it a try… after 11.3.1 is released.
My iPhone was so stable and peppy before I upgraded from 9 to 10. Everything worked, no buggy behavior, it was as Steve Jobs promised of Apple Devices: “It just works.”
Ever since upgrading beyond iOS 9 it’s been unpredictable. I really want it to “just work” again.
@ruouttaurmind
Understand.
But I don’t want to “upgrade” the damned phone to a newer model. FU apple. Esp re non-user-replacable batteries
@f00l I won’t be buying another Apple phone unless stuff changes. Another feature I lost when I lupgraded” from iOS 10: selectable notification sounds. Now everything makes the same freakin sound! Sure, I can change the ringtone and text notification, but EVERYTHING else makes the same sound. New Gmail message? Motion alert from my home monitoring system? Surveillance cameras detected motion or signal loss? Garage door opened? Network failure or fire at the office? Or a simple app update notification? No matter what, they all make the same noise. Because some of the things I’ve installed are very important to be alerted to, I now have to check every single notification. That’s dozens of notifications a day. In iOS 9 I could assign unique sounds and could tell by the blip if it was something important. I’m pretty sure Android still permits selectable sounds, so if I’ll switch back when I replace this iPhone.
@ruouttaurmind
This notification thing where everything sounds the same is a huge problem.
Anyone know a fix for it?
@f00l I’ve looked extensively for a solution. If there is one… it’s evading detection by me.
I’ve actually considered buying a second, very inexpensive Android phone, not activating it, and using hotspot data on my iPhone as a wifi data connection for the Android. This would let me have the selectible notifications. It’s a matter of which is less annoying: Having to check my phone every time it blips, or carrying two phones and not having to check.
@f00l PS: It’s just inconceivable that Apple would take away this capability! I just can’t imagine the justification.
Well, no, that’s not totally true. I can imagine it’s probably related to some security structure they implemented in iOS 10 and 11.
@f00l @ruouttaurmind I know this is unsolicited advice that doesn’t help with your actual problem, but have you guys considered disabling at least noises for everything non-critical? I’m sure I’d have destroyed my phone by now if I allowed even 1/4 of the apps that wanted to notify me, to notify me. Notifications are disruptive, attention-stealing cancer, if you ask me. I mean, really give thought to how much serenity you could have – such a life, without phone noises, only opening apps of your own volition.
I did come across a bunch of 2016 complaints that iOS 10 broke custom notification sounds. People got them back, temporarily, after rebooting their phones. (I bet @ruouttaurmind’s right – iOS 10 was that big notification update, and 11 had some notification privacy-related stuff in it.)
@InnocuousFarmer I generally do not give notification permissions to every little app I download. In fact, I don’t really download apps willy-nilly. Everything I have on my phone or tablet serves a specific utility purpose, plus Solitare.
There are apps I want to be notified by, and will check eventually, then there are apps which, when I receive a notification, are urgent. Right now all priorities of apps give the same sound. Previously I could differentiate between an incoming email notification or a posted credit card pmt, and, say, a server crash or alarm system notification.
@ruouttaurmind I somehow found myself in the Apple software beta group (long before it went public). Things noticeably changed when Cook took over. Bugs would be reported and fixed then show up in the final release. A lot of other odd things were going on as well. It seemed clear that the engineers were taking over and being lazy with Cook being hands off where Jobs would have fired huge groups of engineers. A lot of people left the beta at this point.
I don’t use a smartphone and my iPad is only for reading before sleep. I haven’t updated my MBPros in a couple months and if I was really nervous about an update on a Mac I would run that update on an external drive first (how the beta suggests running).
@ruouttaurmind Honest question: why would you want a sound attached to a thing that you don’t want to interrupt you (credit card payments being a prime example)? You can still see messages on your lock screen, or in whatever the notification stack screen is called, without audible notifications, so you could still check in occasionally, and see a history of events, without being interrupted in the mean time. That’d leave audible notifications for only the genuinely urgent things. I’m more curious than suggesting this as a solution, since, I’d imagine, you’ve already thought of it.
@InnocuousFarmer As far as credit card pmts, I’m specifically referring to merchant account batching transactions. I expect 6 each banking day, and if one doesn’t transfer properly it’s usually an indication that something went wrong on my end when we closed the batch.
In order to avoid losing approved transactions I like to resolve batch errors within the day the transactions occurred. Too long a delay, and the pending transactions will void out. We have to process them again. We wind up with an annoying percentage of declines if we have to re-run a billing cycle after the payment due date.
Successful batching doesn’t occur on a set schedule. There there might be as much as a 8 or 10 hour variance. Otherwise I could just arrange my schedule to manually check status each day. So I get either push or text notifications upon success or failure.
No issues so far on the phone and atv I updated… left a couple on the old for a couple days just incase.
I’m content with my iPhone and iPad. I believe my ancient macbook has seen better days, and is now on borrowed time. I may break down and get a new one, or at least something more recent (mine was new years ago, and hasn’t qualified for updates in several years).
This is my third iPhone (I think it’s an 8, or 8S) and iPad. I’ve had android phones, and I would never use one again. They’re just not for me.
@Shrdlu if it’s on el capitan, a bevy of patches was also released for it as well.
@thismyusername If you’re referring to my macbook, it quit having updates YEARS ago. It spends most of it’s time sleeping. I just checked on it yesterday, and realized it had been more than a year since the last time it had been used. I’m about to move anything interesting off, and then move it out of the way, until I decide what to do with it.
No worries.
@Shrdlu old macbooks run windows and linux pretty well.
@Shrdlu @thismyusername
Old computers are such a pita to clean off.
Esp for an info hoarder.
<Ahem>
<Looks around to see if anyone is looking my way>
@Shrdlu @thismyusername
Which windows version? 8? 10?
It is a gift!.
/s
@f00l
@thismyusername Yes, I know it could run other operating systems, but I have a house full of computers. It doesn’t make sense for me to put another OS on it, and besides it’s the ONLY item in the house that has a Microsoft Office license. If I were going to put another OS on it, it would probably be OpenBSD, but seriously, that doesn’t seem like a good use of my time.
There are books to read, and it’s getting warm enough to think about planting lettuce (after I get the weeds out of the lettuce bed), and maybe some string beans…
Right now, I’m reading an excellent collection of stories, by various authors, entitled “It Occurs to me That I am America” edited by Jonathan Santlofer (he also has a story in the collection). The ISBN is: 9781501179600 (in case someone was looking for it). It’s mixed; some of the stories haven’t done much for me, but others are ones I’ve marked to go back and read again, because they were so good.
The road goes ever onward.
@f00l @f00l @f00l
What can we do with you? I feel the terrible need to smite you about the head and shoulders, but will refrain.
I’m not really an information hoarder; I’m just lazy, and there’s always something more interesting to do.
@Shrdlu
I use a Mac Xserve server in my office. When I bought it new in 2002 it came with Jaguar (10.2) installed. I installed the MacServe server environment, and that’s exactly how it’s been running ever since. "It just works. I use it for all our data (about 10% boilerplate Word and Excel files and 90% Adobe CC stuff). It serves up to about 30 users creating and editing server-based graphic and video data with zero delay ever, even when an active dataset backup is running. I’m confident it could server up to a hundred users without any performance issues. It’s SIXTEEN YEARS OLD and has 2GB of RAM!!!
This is the Apple I used to love. A company that made a product that just works. Period.
@Shrdlu
It’s the thought that counts!!!
Thx. Feel somewhat more self-aware.
I was. Perhaps am, but, I think, far less so.
And, right. there are seriously better things to do.
I have some old machines where I just need to not boot them, not even look. Just open them up and hammer/drill the drives.
(If I look I might be tempted.)
I am trying to undo previous “collecting”.
(It sounds better that way, doesn’t it?)
I vote for reading and outdoors.
(I’ve been doing cold war bios lately.
[tiny grains of partial answers: details of parts of how did we all got from there (1945) to here?])
PS thx for book rec. Will take a look.
I’m tired of upgrading. I would pay Apple and Google to just fix the bugs in what I have.
@awk If they made everything work, then why would people upgrade?
Apple who?
Perhaps performances will be improving over time.
But right now my instinct says that my 6s is doing a bit worse than two days ago.
I don’t think this is a “battery mgmt issue”.
@f00l I’m sure you’re on this already, but just to be sure… after installing, did you go to the Battery section and disable the battery protection nonsense?
Every upgrade since and including 11 adds to my hatred. First, they fuck everything related to apps on the PC and kill older apps. Then, every update since 11 involves little tweaks that serve no purpose other than to irritate you until you get used to them.
Even better, since 11, Safari, which never crashed before, crashes constantly and Chrome does not work at all on my mini.
I was considering updating to an Ipad Pro(not sure if I should upgrade my Iphone 6, unless someones new camera blows me away. Seems my phone only is used for calls, texts and pictures). Now I am considering never buying another Apple product again.
I upgraded to 11.3 (one of the betas, actually) and my 6s got a lot faster. Overall responsiveness went up in an obvious way, and Geekbench 4 benchmarked twice … as many.
I think iOS 11.2 was throttling the CPU like it would have with a failing battery, and then 11.3 decided that the battery was in good condition following the upgrade – maybe reset something.
@InnocuousFarmer
mine may have gotten better over the day.
@f00l After exposing my phone to “winter-like conditions”, I was able to induce an involuntary shutdown while trying to perform somewhat demanding operations (noodling around in other apps with podcasts playing sped up in the background).
Now it’s back to being throttled and slow, with the “blah blah blah performance management has been applied blah blah” message in the Settings app. I was hoping it’d tell me more about the battery and performance than just boilerplate text. Guess that isn’t very Apple-like, though, exposing technical information.
The Settings app did give me a notification containing that same text. Showed up on my lock screen. That’s nice.
@InnocuousFarmer
Once the policy is applied, I think you can choose to up-apply it in battery settings.
@f00l There is a little blue link “Disable…” – would be easy to miss. But I think I’m going to leave it enabled until I can get around to my free replacement battery. I’d rather have this thing be throttled than worry about it suddenly shutting down if I get it too cool.
My phone was part of the set that was eligible for free batteries to deal with this problem, long before the whole battery issue blew up in the media (see here).