Dollar Tree. Base price on many if not most items went from $1.25 to $1.50. The Halloween decor that was $3 last year is now $5, and $5 stuff is now $7. MANY items have stickers stuck over the preprinted $1.25 price and are shelf marked at $1.50.
I probably won’t stop by there much any more. Its too much for optional stuff though I did buy two of the motion detect Halloween things that are new this year.
And besides if there’s a country that deserves to get whacked with tariffs its the CCP and china.
Also the Brown’s Chicken that recently changed hands. I used to go there maybe 3 - 4 times a month. This time prices on everything was up 25% or more, and the pasta and rice bowls were physically smaller. So probably won’t be going there much any more. Do not know if anything there is affected by tariffs though (I hope not, at least for food products from china)
The reason why China has become as strong as they have is because of the higher-ups that decided to outsource everything in pursuit of a fatter paycheck for themselves. Why keep manufacturing here, even though it was profitable, when we can shut down the factory, sell off all the equipment for $, and outsource it elsewhere. Quality be damned, it cost less, there’s no manufacturing to worry about, and we’ll sell it for just as much, so more money! And if it’s crap, consumers will just have to replace it more often, which means even more money!
Tariffs on imports isn’t going to bring manufacturing back because so much along the way has been exported already. Look at what Destin went through to try to 100% manufacturer the Smarter Scrubber here in the US:
Pay attention to the part where companies didn’t have the necessary engineering talent to do the tooling locally, so it’s all outsourced overseas – which means they essentially have the very blueprints to what will be manufactured.
@narfcake I don’t exclude the companies and the people running them from blame in general though that wasn’t the point of this topic or my post. What caused the current situation doesn’t change the fact of the vast industrialization of stolen IP, designs, equipment, media, counterfeiting, and drugs etc. by china and the ccp. And the often described use of ‘forced’ and minor labor for example
I watched Destin’s video when it came out; my wife got me one of those last Christmas, and I actually sent a minor critique/request for improvement to them; an extra finishing step to eliminate a problem I experienced, though I never heard back. Its a neat product.
When I order from Savage X it has the tariff price added on at check out. It’s an 8% mark up on the price. The monthly membership fee is increasing in September from $59.95 to $64.95, an 8% increase. I canceled my membership a few days ago.
@chienfou@kittykat9180 I had never heard of it before either but can’t imagine why I’d spend $60ish a month for membership at any store. I don’t buy enough of anything to be able to imagine how that would save me any money in the long run. Of course I am currently a family of one (let’s hope it stays that way and kid doesn’t move back).
@chienfou@Kidsandliz it’s monthly and it goes toward your purchase. So if I put $65 in my cart I’ll be charged $5 at checkout. But now add 8% for tariffs and then add tax.
And you can skip months if you don’t plan on buying anything, I typically skip 9-10 months per year.
@chienfou@Kidsandliz@kittykat9180 I never knew about this and now I have a cart load of things I probably shouldn’t buy and a membership I don’t need to subscribe to. Gotta love the mehtizen community!
@Kidsandliz@kittykat9180 I mean I could blame Luna and then unblame because I’m sure as cross as the Englishman would be, as any money spent evokes the Yorkshire warcry, he would be more than delighted once the merchandise from the frivolous purchase was delivered and donned.
@chienfou@Kidsandliz@kittykat9180 I go through phases. I believe in being yourself unapologetically, and yet I often mask because I don’t like offending people. I’m extra so I know I’m not everyone’s cuppa. I’m also struggling today because I’m not supposed to do anything vigorous today which is killing me as I’d planned on lifting and framing out the stairwell/harry potters bedroom in the less murdery shed. My ADHD is shining spectacularly for some reason. I should probably paint or draw. That will keep me from typing things that keep the shovel from digging deeper proverbial holes.
Tariffs won’t bring back manufacturing jobs at least not for people, maybe some robots will get the “new” manufacturing jobs. Our younger jobs force is ill equipped to do factory work. They are not used to standing in one spot for 4 hours at a time (ok, 3hrs 45mn coffee/pee/smoke break) 1/2 hour lunch then back to standing till your 8 hour work shift is over for the day. Then do that for 5 days in a row!
@jkawaguchi And we don’t have the training for that in trade schools, the infrastructure to go back to that… Doing that would also raise prices. Things were off shored and outsourced because it was cheaper to do that rather than to make it in the USA.
@jkawaguchi@Kidsandliz Startup costs for any in-country manufacturing would be prohibitive. Machines, machine parts, computers, and many raw materials (like minerals) would have to be bought from other countries, and they are all being hit with tariffs.
Maybe some will be offset but raw materials will still often have to come from other countries, we pay more per hour than most countries, as @rockblossom said we have nothing in place for any of this, few to no training programs, no money to start them based on the other cuts to higher education and you sure don’t want the for profit allegedly education industry to fill in that gap. What goes on with many of those companies is appalling and costs the students a ton of money. For example some years ago what my kid wanted to do - community college $3000ish total. Local for profit $13,000+ total. For profits do PELL grants and student loans. So do community colleges. It’s no brainer who will graduate with more debt.
@chienfou@jkawaguchi@Kidsandliz@rockblossom I think uncertainty is the single largest factor that will prevent companies from building plants here. Tariffs change from week to week and month to month with no plan, no well-thought-out justification, little research, or even any attainable goals behind them. That’s not the kind of economic climate in which a company would want to invest millions or even thousands of dollars only to have tariffs someday reduced or eliminated, making imported goods cheap again.
@chienfou@ItalianScallion@jkawaguchi@rockblossom It’s abundantly clear that those who are making these decisions have a limited to no understanding of economics, markets, why we outsourced/off shored to begin with…Scary thought.
The two tariff videos from GamersNexus help explain why the current situation will not move much manufacturing back to the US. These are both long videos.
Part 1 - The best section of this one is the discussion with Hyte. They show a spreadsheet of all the costs involved with making a case starting with pre-production costs.
That was for 500 packets. Went to Costco and got a box of generic Stevia (800 packets) for $16 which is less than half the cost.
I feel like Costco prices have gone up a little bit too. Maybe it’s just been to long since I last shopped there.
Dollar Tree. Base price on many if not most items went from $1.25 to $1.50. The Halloween decor that was $3 last year is now $5, and $5 stuff is now $7. MANY items have stickers stuck over the preprinted $1.25 price and are shelf marked at $1.50.
I probably won’t stop by there much any more. Its too much for optional stuff though I did buy two of the motion detect Halloween things that are new this year.
And besides if there’s a country that deserves to get whacked with tariffs its the CCP and china.
Also the Brown’s Chicken that recently changed hands. I used to go there maybe 3 - 4 times a month. This time prices on everything was up 25% or more, and the pasta and rice bowls were physically smaller. So probably won’t be going there much any more. Do not know if anything there is affected by tariffs though (I hope not, at least for food products from china)
@duodec FTFY.
The reason why China has become as strong as they have is because of the higher-ups that decided to outsource everything in pursuit of a fatter paycheck for themselves. Why keep manufacturing here, even though it was profitable, when we can shut down the factory, sell off all the equipment for $, and outsource it elsewhere. Quality be damned, it cost less, there’s no manufacturing to worry about, and we’ll sell it for just as much, so more money! And if it’s crap, consumers will just have to replace it more often, which means even more money!
Tariffs on imports isn’t going to bring manufacturing back because so much along the way has been exported already. Look at what Destin went through to try to 100% manufacturer the Smarter Scrubber here in the US:
Pay attention to the part where companies didn’t have the necessary engineering talent to do the tooling locally, so it’s all outsourced overseas – which means they essentially have the very blueprints to what will be manufactured.
Who has the power now?
@narfcake I don’t exclude the companies and the people running them from blame in general though that wasn’t the point of this topic or my post. What caused the current situation doesn’t change the fact of the vast industrialization of stolen IP, designs, equipment, media, counterfeiting, and drugs etc. by china and the ccp. And the often described use of ‘forced’ and minor labor for example
I watched Destin’s video when it came out; my wife got me one of those last Christmas, and I actually sent a minor critique/request for improvement to them; an extra finishing step to eliminate a problem I experienced, though I never heard back. Its a neat product.
When I order from Savage X it has the tariff price added on at check out. It’s an 8% mark up on the price. The monthly membership fee is increasing in September from $59.95 to $64.95, an 8% increase. I canceled my membership a few days ago.
@kittykat9180
TIL… Savage X is a thing… Never heard of it before.
@chienfou @kittykat9180 I had never heard of it before either but can’t imagine why I’d spend $60ish a month for membership at any store. I don’t buy enough of anything to be able to imagine how that would save me any money in the long run. Of course I am currently a family of one (let’s hope it stays that way and kid doesn’t move back).
@Kidsandliz @kittykat9180
Actually kind of assumed that was an annual expense… Essentially what VMP costs.
@chienfou @kittykat9180 That is what I thought too until I re-read it and it said monthly. Maybe that was a typo?
@Kidsandliz @kittykat9180
So my comment assumed … Checking
Edit: didn’t see a membership fee…? Maybe free shipping cutoff…
@chienfou @Kidsandliz it’s monthly and it goes toward your purchase. So if I put $65 in my cart I’ll be charged $5 at checkout. But now add 8% for tariffs and then add tax.
And you can skip months if you don’t plan on buying anything, I typically skip 9-10 months per year.
@chienfou @Kidsandliz @kittykat9180 I never knew about this and now I have a cart load of things I probably shouldn’t buy and a membership I don’t need to subscribe to.
Gotta love the mehtizen community!
@sillyheathen Don’t use the blame thread then when you go bankrupt buying stuff there. Instead blame @kittykat9180.
@Kidsandliz @kittykat9180 I mean I could blame Luna and then unblame because I’m sure as cross as the Englishman would be, as any money spent evokes the Yorkshire warcry, he would be more than delighted once the merchandise from the frivolous purchase was delivered and donned.
@Kidsandliz @kittykat9180 @sillyheathen
/giphy yowza
@chienfou @Kidsandliz @kittykat9180 sorry the filters haven’t been applied to the brain piece this fair morn.
@sillyheathen I have a drawer full of Savage X products so no judgment from me.
@kittykat9180 fancy knickers are fun!
@sillyheathen
@chienfou @kittykat9180 @sillyheathen This is meh… what fucking filters need applied (all pun intended)?
@chienfou @Kidsandliz @kittykat9180 I go through phases. I believe in being yourself unapologetically, and yet I often mask because I don’t like offending people. I’m extra so I know I’m not everyone’s cuppa. I’m also struggling today because I’m not supposed to do anything vigorous today which is killing me as I’d planned on lifting and framing out the stairwell/harry potters bedroom in the less murdery shed. My ADHD is shining spectacularly for some reason. I should probably paint or draw. That will keep me from typing things that keep the shovel from digging deeper proverbial holes.
Tariffs won’t bring back manufacturing jobs at least not for people, maybe some robots will get the “new” manufacturing jobs. Our younger jobs force is ill equipped to do factory work. They are not used to standing in one spot for 4 hours at a time (ok, 3hrs 45mn coffee/pee/smoke break) 1/2 hour lunch then back to standing till your 8 hour work shift is over for the day. Then do that for 5 days in a row!
@jkawaguchi And we don’t have the training for that in trade schools, the infrastructure to go back to that… Doing that would also raise prices. Things were off shored and outsourced because it was cheaper to do that rather than to make it in the USA.
@jkawaguchi @Kidsandliz Startup costs for any in-country manufacturing would be prohibitive. Machines, machine parts, computers, and many raw materials (like minerals) would have to be bought from other countries, and they are all being hit with tariffs.
@jkawaguchi @Kidsandliz @rockblossom
Depending on location/scale some of that can (and frequently will) be offset by local tax breaks.
@chienfou @jkawaguchi @rockblossom
Maybe some will be offset but raw materials will still often have to come from other countries, we pay more per hour than most countries, as @rockblossom said we have nothing in place for any of this, few to no training programs, no money to start them based on the other cuts to higher education and you sure don’t want the for profit allegedly education industry to fill in that gap. What goes on with many of those companies is appalling and costs the students a ton of money. For example some years ago what my kid wanted to do - community college $3000ish total. Local for profit $13,000+ total. For profits do PELL grants and student loans. So do community colleges. It’s no brainer who will graduate with more debt.
@chienfou @jkawaguchi @Kidsandliz @rockblossom I think uncertainty is the single largest factor that will prevent companies from building plants here. Tariffs change from week to week and month to month with no plan, no well-thought-out justification, little research, or even any attainable goals behind them. That’s not the kind of economic climate in which a company would want to invest millions or even thousands of dollars only to have tariffs someday reduced or eliminated, making imported goods cheap again.
@chienfou @ItalianScallion @jkawaguchi @rockblossom It’s abundantly clear that those who are making these decisions have a limited to no understanding of economics, markets, why we outsourced/off shored to begin with…Scary thought.
The two tariff videos from GamersNexus help explain why the current situation will not move much manufacturing back to the US. These are both long videos.
Part 1 - The best section of this one is the discussion with Hyte. They show a spreadsheet of all the costs involved with making a case starting with pre-production costs.
Part 2