@JT954 Vicodin usually took the edge off for me while healing. It took about 3 months before I could walk (hobble) without crutches. Then came the real torture - physical therapy. But my therapist was a cute young thing and she massaged my foot at the end of the session.
@macromeh I’m on vencomycin due to the C Diff but before that I was taking a pill that was equal to 4 Motrin’s and it made my leg to move on its own. So I was switched to an oxycotin which seemed better and I was taking that 1-2 times a day.
I’m wearing a boot and it’s so annoying. They want me to try wearing a sneaker in two weeks. I can get around but it’s slower than normal walking. I have the feeling they will remove the two screws (with washers) that are under my foot. Otherwise no physical therapy here (yet?).
@JT954 I still have a plate and five screws in my foot. But they are all on the side of the bone rather than the bottom. The doctor said (25 years ago) that I may need surgery to remove the hardware if it caused any problems, but it never seemed to and I wasn’t keen to have it cut open again.
I had a massive sprain in addition to the fractured heel, and most of my PT (and continuing pain) are artifacts of that rather than the fracture itself.
@awk@Mehrocco_Mole I had a cheap one of those plugged into a few computers at one point so that I could listen to audio from multiple sources in headphones. I stopped because the mixer made music worse-sounding enough that I noticed I was enjoying it less.
@msqaf00 Yeah, gonna have to ask for a source on that. I’ve never had it, and don’t have any strong opinion, but you can’t roll in with something like this and not link a research study or an article from a medical journal and have me take this at face value.
Well here is a review with some comments on the problems of testing this, and yes a ton of studies have shown placebo effect; this article talks about research design issues that if solved may or may not affect study outcomes.
@Kidsandliz@msqaf00 Thanks for this! As you said, and the abstract agrees, this article basically calls into question a slew of studies and their results. It’s understandable that testing in this realm would have to be highly standardized to yield useable results. And the variances in the results support that, and are the reason for the linked article.
Without standard treatment lengths, frequency, environments, and practices, I don’t know how we can say “It is scientifically proven not to work…” Some of the studies seem to indicate it might, in fact, be a legitimate treatment, based on the single linked article.
Thanks for the interesting read! I do want to acknowledge that it wasn’t lost on me that this research was financially supported by the National Basic Research Program of China.
@MagnaVis@msqaf00 We can’t say that it does work either… Because the provider can’t be blind to the treatment this may affect this with respect to placebo effect…eg real provider believes in it so is more convincing while giving it than person knowing they are giving the fake treatment (and if the real provider also gives the fake ones the problems compound).
Also if anyone has ever had it before likely they’d have some idea if what they were getting was fake or not.
And, as you pointed out, the funding of the study may or may not have influenced how it was written, especially if the authors are also pro acupuncture… but their comments about potential problems appear to be reasonable.
Study validity and reliability issues aside, in my opinion if placebo effect works then use it, presuming whatever fake thing you are doing is safe and cheap (no idea if this is cheap).
Yeah, that’s not at all what I’m saying. That quote (“It is scientifically proven…”) was directly from @msqaf00. This article is essentially saying that their study of acupuncture study results suggests that:
A high-quality study design, a minimized placebo effect and optimal acupuncture administration may contribute to reducing the potential bias.
Which, obviously, would contribute to better, more reliable results.
As I said, I’ve never tried acupuncture, and don’t really have an opinion on it, but blanket statements like @msqaf00’s need to be backed up by some solid references. I agree, 100%, with your position; if the acupuncture give someone relief, do it. Placebo effect or not, relief is relief.
@MagnaVis And technically you never “prove” something in a study, instead you “fail to reject” a hypothesis; then you say “the evidence suggests blah blah blah.”. Of course likely you’d need to be at least marginally a science geek to know this technicality.
@MagnaVis Add cancer lists to that.I have had 3 major ones, one with no cure (but a longer life span) and I tell some of those dumb asses that carrot juice and whatever isn’t going to cure them; there is no science behind it. If they want the best chance at living use the gold standard, science based treatments (or maybe a clinical trial that makes sense); that science, like gravity works all the time, not just when you want it to. That got me banned from one list. Because, apparently, what ever you want to do is right for you (per the list owner) and then I said what I just said above. We need to teach more science in K-12. Seriously. Some people’s lack of knowledge makes them dangerous to themselves and others. Snake oil just doesn’t cut it. It’s not a giant md/pharma conspiracy… blah blah blah.Too bad, in most cases, it is too late for Darwinism to kick in. Most of them have already procreated. Our society, heck the world, is in trouble due to lack of science knowledge and in many cases unwillingness to even want to learn/listen to anything that doesn’t jibe with their current point of view.
@Kidsandliz Oh goodness, if we start a list, we’ll be here all day:
Raw Salt Lamps
We just don’t have time. Science is important; what it does and how it does it is critical to understanding the results and taking them seriously. I have found myself wondering if I was the only one that remembered the scientific process, it’s explanation that I received in high school, and what we can say about the results of experiments. It’s really rather sad, and why I often push back against statements like “Science has proven…”
@MagnaVis You forgot the best one - good attitude. Umm fuck no. I am allowed to have bad attitude over chemo, feeling like shit, and having a cancer with no cure. Not to mention any research done doesn’t back that up that I know of. Oh yeah and we have this for a purpose. To learn a lesson. Really? Any “lesson” I can learn via cancer I can learn far less painfully without having anything bad happen to me.
I tried it once. I was under the impression that the needles went into the affected area. Instead there are ancient charts of flows and meridians and what not so to cure a headache you might not get any in your head and a bunch in your hand. Whatever they say…
It did cause certain spots to have a not-unpleasant tingling during the session, and it was relaxing overall. That said, I never tried again and don’t plan to.
I didn’t have acupuncture per se’ but the dry needling done. Not too much different other than acupuncture going into meridian points and dry needling going directly into muscle trigger points. It released some muscles that had been knotted in my thigh forever from IT band syndrome. And I’m the one that forged every note in high school avoiding every shot possible. My dad had to run me down and pin me down for boosters, etc. I couldn’t believe I voluntarily did it. And, I’m doing it again soon for the other leg.
I tried it. It didn’t do anything for me because I was skeptical.
In order for it to work, you must believe that it will work.
Because it is a placebo.
If you believe it works, then good for you, because that probably means it will work for you.
Just, please, don’t use it to try cure anything or spread claims that it will cure anything.
You can use it to treat symptoms, like pain, because placebos are good at that; but it can’t and won’t cure anything and should not be promoted as a replacement for proven medical treatments.