AA long sleeves at shirt.woot

@snapster key feature #1 = @narfcake

@snapster I believe limited time/quantites are important for a stand alone shirt site to be exciting. Being able to go back and buy the shirt anytime takes away from the excitement. Multiple color options would probably go a long way for most as well. Just two or three though, not a whole rainbow.

@RedHot And a forum where users are free to trade t-shirts for new sizes or shirts they may have missed out on.

@snapster Petitions work? Comments for AA are regularly redacted at shirt.woot enough -- and given the number of folks who've chimed in the mega Anvil thread, the women's sizes, the your choice, and the mutant blanks threads, 100 folks isn't a problem. And if Amazon cared, wouldn't they have stepped in on their own subsidiary after this customer's review?

@gio Not so much.

@snapster @RedHot has an excellent point about time limits, though, which I think you've experienced quite well having ran Woot and now meh. If a product is available all the time, the urgency to buy is diminished. The back catalog's existence is both an asset and a liability to itself.

Other points ... the post-purchase experience. I nickname Woot's outsourced CS "customer DISservice" for a reason. Canned responses completely unrelated to the issue at hand ... really?

@narfcake that Amazon site review is great. If the right people saw it, they'd actually take down that shirt due to the risk of backlash. Amazon is very sensitive to external data applying pressure to them - the problem with existing complaints is they aren't external. They are on Woot's own forums where discontent is already allowed to run free by callous operators. Use of an external petition would escalate things nicely to where they couldn't just blow it off or even delete the sentiment.

@snapster Points taken. As for the shirt, why take it down? It's their own design printed by their own subsidiary. The fit issue in the review directly correlates to the current Anvil blanks and it's not the only negative one for woot shirts posted on Amazon.

@narfcake it references Amazon and they are very skittish about branding mistakes - out of context I bet they'd pull the plug on that if they knew it was posted by a subsidiary.

@snapster Well, they'd be pulling other designs too, then. There are multiple designs printed by woot but sold only at Amazon.

@narfcake Sorry, but in my haste to get to bed, my brevity lacked clarity. First of all, I was not referencing Woot, which I think is a dead horse. I chose to hopefully assume that @snapster is considering a mediocre experiment in t-shirt merchandising. In which case, I think your breadth of knowledge regarding what has and hasn't worked across the industry is invaluable. I think if mediocre labs pursues the business they should pick your brains and then put you on retainer. Maybe they could pay you in shirts? How about one shirt from every print?

@snapster fun and interesting designs that are diverse across different relevant niches. Many of us may be internet geeks, but we're not all the same brand. You know, the kind of diversity woot had before they decided selling the most shirts over selling the best (or most unique/striking/artistic/random/funny) shirts was important. Of course, I realize designing shirts is difficult on small websites where the artist bases are limited, but incentive for different designs rather than repeated adaptations could alleviate. Not that I know what those incentives are. I'm not good at business.

@meh are they focused on the most sales or the most fanboys? Before I bailed out, it seemed there were some shirts with fewer sales than derby votes.

@nadroj There were some shirts in the past that undersold the derby votes, but since the change in blanks, it's happened more often, even with greatly diminished vote counts.

@narfcake I won't buy any shirts there anymore due to the blanks, the last mutant I got went right to Good Will without me even wearing it.
If they brought back AA blanks I'd actually start checking the site again.

@Ignorant Was it @taternugget's shirt? I bought that from the Goodwill in Pasadena.

@narfcake haha no I won't buy any of that guys shirts.

It was a Christmas sweater shirt, 'you killed it, blockhead' by ThatRobert. Might still be at the Good Will in Anaheim.

@Ignorant Still butthurt? And is it the one on Euclid next to the 99-Ranch market?

@narfcake Yes!

And no, Beach and Lincoln just south of Knotts.

@Ignorant I thought you guys were pals?

@Ignorant Isn't that Buena Park? That store used to be a Good Guys ...

@Thumperchick we are, I like to pretend I have an issue with him but I don't really.

@narfcake I think the actual address there is Anaheim. Buena Park, Anaheim, and Stanton all meet up right there.

@snapster Hiring me as one of the writer's since I used to work for the competition over at CaptainKYSO. That and limited quantities so I can beat other people to first and last purchase.

@Ignorant you bastard.

@narfcake Thanks for rescuing my shirt, narf.

@narfcake Hey meh... I didn't get an email notification that @narfcake mentioned my name. My box is checked and I used to get those emails.

@taternuggets Could it be because there was no space between your alias and the single quote immediately after it?

@cengland0 you might be right. *edit Yeah, I got the email for your message so that must be it.

@snapster At least 75% of all shirts need to incorporate a Tardis.

@cengland0 @taternuggets Yeah, I messed up. And yet, I couldn't even be nominated for something this simple, along with the thrift store rejects in the fuko and now today's shirt?

(And you're welcome, @taternuggets.)

@nadroj Probably is now, and that is even worse, seems like they're just spinning wheels now? I left a very long time ago. When I left, it was all thousands of sales of bunnys, turtles, and Mario shirts. IMO it's been a failure over there in several ways and multiple iterations.

@cengland0 I think it's more likely because the ' broke the alias. I don't think @taternugget's will work.

but I think a notification for this message will go to @taternuggets' email

@snapster @narfcake https://www.change.org/p/shirt-woot-com-stop-selling-your-designs-on-inferior-shirts-and-return-to-printing-them-on-aa-shirts

@meh Those shirts was what Wooters wanted. The writeup on this shirt was a challenge to that , and it sold around 350 in an era of shirts that regularly sold 1,500+ and 3,000 sellouts were common. IIRC, it finished in 27th in the following week's reckoning.

@narfcake Yeah, that's exactly my point of my original post. They pandered to that easy en masse buyers crowd. Of course it made lots of money, but it couldn't last. Eventually they'd need new ideas. Shirt.woot wasn't always that crowd. I was around it from 2007-on and there was a time it had original ideas, good sales and good voter participation. I don't blame it only on a change in shirt blanks, though it certainly didn't help.

@meh @narfcake imo the population of "shirt.wooters" isn't a monolithic entity. it changes and evolves, based partly on what shirts are offered for sale (particularly the shirt on the front page). imo when woot started going for the easy, high-volume sales and less of the artsy/etc. sales, the wooter population adapted to it by shedding the former artsy/etc. customers, and in turn shirt.woot adapted to the shifting customer base even moar. shirt.woot and the customer base are in a symbiotic relationship and evolved together. unfortunately, both are so highly specialized now that it's gonna be difficult to make any changes to either.

@no1 I signed.

@JerseyFrank @narfcake @snapster "I bet you'd be hard pressed to get even 100 folks though? :-|" more like "hard pressed to get even 10 folks :("

@no1 You need to market the petition better. Like, make a bit.ly for it and get it on a derby entry. Or make QR code for it and attach some shitty click-bait message to it.

@RogerWilco On topic. That's what I was alluding to all the times I tagged @snapster about AA shirts. It wasn't about setting up a whole new shirt site ... yet.

@RogerWilco Aaaaand check today's deal :)

@Mehntok wear the AA shirt with a Guy Fawkes mask.