@Shrdlu
But we’re lazy. Now we have to follow links? Read? Comprende? Awww.
OK.
(The Nobel Lit committee is looking somewhat less like a committee of anti-western hemisphere snobs this morning. Although they do still like their second- and third-world lit and their New World lit to be a bit “primitive”.)
“Don’t stand in the doorway, don’t block up the hall.”
I am thinking that this award might be, in part, a subtle attempted EU commentary on our election.
But fuck 'em. I’m happy about the choice. I should get outta my conspiracy head. The morning is too beautiful.
@f00l
that was a recent performance of “Live Minus Zero”, so of course half the lyrics are unintelligible. Here is an early performance of “Love Minus Zero” where the words can be understood.
I can hardly wait for the acceptance speech. However Dylan chooses to approaches it, 'twill be a wonder to behold.
This song, one of my favs, is about the Red Wing Reform School in Minnesota
Walls Of Red Wing
Despite the reform institution in the song being in Minnesota, several friends and I once used this song as inspirational justification to drive an old air-cooled Beetle down an ice-covered unpaved road to Red Wing, Colorado, which is kinda near Muleshoe, one frozen January day.
The ice-road was a mountainous 10-20 miles? I forget. We made it about a few miles before getting stuck on the ice.
Then we hiked back to paved roads, hitchhiked to a place with a phone. The tow truck cost us about $300. We hadn’t drunk while driving, but the tequila we carried on board helped us to deal with the towing sticker shock.
The tow truck driver laughed at “the Texans”, but he was really nice and really coffeed us up.
This took all day and somehow seemed terribly worthwhile. I’m sure we all gained great spiritual clarity from our quest.
Bob Dylan’s songs have, I’m sure, provided many excellent excuses for many fine adventures, most of which were probably less stupid than mine.
@RiotDemon
It’s something new, and to many literati types, something a bit suspect, to judge by the internet chatter.
His stuff is not nearly so good on the page as it is sung. As a lyricist, he can stand against anyone and above most. As s poet, there are prob a lot of writers you’d take first.
I suspect his choice, while worthy in its own right has political overtones -
First, that the Nobel committee has a huge thing for European writers, esp (shock!) Swedish ones. You have to fit their perception of a cultural niche if you aren’t European
Second, that the Nobel committe claims the rest of the world (esp theUS!!!) is best served by primitivistic or naturalistic lit: pls leave the sophisticated philosophical writing to Ye Olde World, please. The Nobel committe has a history of over-rewarding European writers and under-recognizing everyone else.
Third, the choice of Bob Dylan may be a sly commentary on the US culture (think admiring put-down - “let us, the European experts, tell you what you do well - pls stick to that”) or a commentary on the US election (interpret how you will.)
the lit Nobel committee is famous for cultural snobbery, old world version.
But this is a nice moment, no matter the committee’s intentions.
@luvche21
I love the way West sings. That’s some kinda ragged soul.
For some reason, listening to that reminded me of this below, which is astonishing:
Joe Walsh & Sam Kenison - “Desperado” (Howard Stern Show)
Supposedly Walsh doing this po’ed Henley. But if that’s true, it shouldn’t have. If a song is great, there’s usually more than one way to sing it and let the greatness vibrate out.
@f00l Cool. I didn’t know Sam Kinison played guitar. I still mourn his passing. I saw him at the Great American Music Hall in San Francisco. It was the funniest set I’ve ever seen. My friend Brian and I were literally laughing so hard we couldn’t breathe.
@dannybeans
Listening to him speak at awards shows has been a great pleasure these last several decades, or however long he’s come across as barely coherent.
Have no inside info, but I kinda hope it’s either his great “Fuck you, I don’t have to make sense in your terms” statement, or else he’s just having a really long joke on all of us. In that case I’m willing to wait for the punchline.
@SSteve I wish I could swap them too. Paul is on tonight out here at Oldchella. At least Neil Young gets the cognition flowing as the opener.
I guess maybe @springsteen would say he’s no David Crosby but I’d pass on that one too. Maybe your namesake will be old enough to perform out here next year Bruce.
@snapster My guitarist band-mate Steve saw Sir Paul last week in Sacramento. He said it was a great show. I hope you think so too.
I’ve never seen Paul live but I’ve seen Neil a handful of times and in the widest geographic distribution (California, Wisconsin, and Norway). Usually a great show. But the time we saw him before the Blue Notes album was by far the loudest show I’ve ever been to. The concert was at a small theater in Mountain View and they were recording it. Before the concert they said that, for recording purposes, the second half would be the same set so we left at intermission. I don’t think I would have had any hearing left if we had stayed. He ended up not using those recordings and doing the Blue Notes album with a different band because Crazy Horse didn’t do it right.
My point with John and Paul is that neither one is the other. Personally, I like both. Together and separate.
@SSteve I’ve seen Paul a few times. In London he had his grandkids at the show to prove that grandpa was a rock star to them. More humanizing than I expected and I enjoyed that. Easy to be nostalgic for John since his talent is frozen in time. Obviously easy to agree on your point but I was having fun with @springsteen’s premise too.
The Times, They Are A-Changin’
@thismyusername
Thanks!
That was “Like A Rolling Stone”
a straight vid link is perhaps more elegant, but if links have song titles, perhaps they’ll get more listens.
Poster’s choice, I spoze.
This. All of it.
http://bobdylan.com/albums/john-wesley-harding/
(Read the liner notes. They’re good for you.)
@Shrdlu
But we’re lazy. Now we have to follow links? Read? Comprende? Awww.
OK.
(The Nobel Lit committee is looking somewhat less like a committee of anti-western hemisphere snobs this morning. Although they do still like their second- and third-world lit and their New World lit to be a bit “primitive”.)
“Don’t stand in the doorway, don’t block up the hall.”
I am thinking that this award might be, in part, a subtle attempted EU commentary on our election.
But fuck 'em. I’m happy about the choice. I should get outta my conspiracy head. The morning is too beautiful.
Love Minus Zero, No Limit
@f00l
that was a recent performance of “Live Minus Zero”, so of course half the lyrics are unintelligible. Here is an early performance of “Love Minus Zero” where the words can be understood.
I can hardly wait for the acceptance speech. However Dylan chooses to approaches it, 'twill be a wonder to behold.
Bob has written so many great songs.
It’s cool he got this honor.
It’s hard to find good versions of his songs on youtube!
@daveinwarsh
Desolation Row
Yeah, it’s a deep deep well to drink from.
I used to keep a store of his lyrics (and Beatles and Stones lyrics) handy, to use in annoying my parents.
I forgot Blonde on Blonde. There were a LOT of good albums.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00026WU8M/
@Shrdlu
All his early albums should just be played repeatedly in full.
That one, and Highway 61, and Blood on the Tracks - we played them and some warped, finally. So we bought them again and kept playing them.
The various greatest hits albums are a decent intro.
I wouldn’t call it simple. It is masterful.
/giphy Bob Dylan
@ELUNO
@CaptAmehrican created a thread for simple joys. I thought this particular joy deserved a dedicated thread.
Simple? Complex? Masterful?
Sure, all that and more.
How about:
The Nobel Prize lit committee has its agendas, tho they do good things and highlight great work.
And Bob Dylan totally deserved the reward, in spite of having won it.
A Hard Rains Gonna Fall
@f00l I agree. And you posted there is something about this live version that I prefer.
@ELUNO
Oh that’s better, even if it’s cut down.
(live, Mr Tambourine Man)
This song, one of my favs, is about the Red Wing Reform School in Minnesota
Walls Of Red Wing
Despite the reform institution in the song being in Minnesota, several friends and I once used this song as inspirational justification to drive an old air-cooled Beetle down an ice-covered unpaved road to Red Wing, Colorado, which is kinda near Muleshoe, one frozen January day.
The ice-road was a mountainous 10-20 miles? I forget. We made it about a few miles before getting stuck on the ice.
Then we hiked back to paved roads, hitchhiked to a place with a phone. The tow truck cost us about $300. We hadn’t drunk while driving, but the tequila we carried on board helped us to deal with the towing sticker shock.
The tow truck driver laughed at “the Texans”, but he was really nice and really coffeed us up.
This took all day and somehow seemed terribly worthwhile. I’m sure we all gained great spiritual clarity from our quest.
Bob Dylan’s songs have, I’m sure, provided many excellent excuses for many fine adventures, most of which were probably less stupid than mine.
The lawyers must be busy taking all the album versions off YouTube.
Here is Tina Turner’s cover of
Tonight I’ll Be Staying Here With You.
Hendrix’s version of "Watchtowe
Joan Baez and Bob Dylan sing "
"Blowing In The Wind"
It Ain’t Me, Babe
It’s All Over Now, Baby Blue
/youtube Bob Dylan Maggie’s Farm
Don’t mean to offend, I just assumed literature would mean books, not songs. Is this something new?
@RiotDemon That’s because you did’t know your song well before you started singing.
@RiotDemon
It’s something new, and to many literati types, something a bit suspect, to judge by the internet chatter.
His stuff is not nearly so good on the page as it is sung. As a lyricist, he can stand against anyone and above most. As s poet, there are prob a lot of writers you’d take first.
I suspect his choice, while worthy in its own right has political overtones -
First, that the Nobel committee has a huge thing for European writers, esp (shock!) Swedish ones. You have to fit their perception of a cultural niche if you aren’t European
Second, that the Nobel committe claims the rest of the world (esp theUS!!!) is best served by primitivistic or naturalistic lit: pls leave the sophisticated philosophical writing to Ye Olde World, please. The Nobel committe has a history of over-rewarding European writers and under-recognizing everyone else.
Third, the choice of Bob Dylan may be a sly commentary on the US culture (think admiring put-down - “let us, the European experts, tell you what you do well - pls stick to that”) or a commentary on the US election (interpret how you will.)
the lit Nobel committee is famous for cultural snobbery, old world version.
But this is a nice moment, no matter the committee’s intentions.
One of my favorite songs, I don’t think it’s on youtube so can’t embed. (Ain’t Talkin’) https://rutube.ru/video/803cc2f33dff61c867139491d62df7b7/
I never thought I’d like a cover of Mr Tambourine Man, but Mountain has an amazing cover (Leslie West, vocals/guitar):
@luvche21
Yes to Mountain.
@f00l I didn’t think I would enjoy it at first, it’s a little heavier than what I normally listen too, but it was really nice.
@luvche21
I love the way West sings. That’s some kinda ragged soul.
For some reason, listening to that reminded me of this below, which is astonishing:
Joe Walsh & Sam Kenison - “Desperado” (Howard Stern Show)
Supposedly Walsh doing this po’ed Henley. But if that’s true, it shouldn’t have. If a song is great, there’s usually more than one way to sing it and let the greatness vibrate out.
@f00l Cool. I didn’t know Sam Kinison played guitar. I still mourn his passing. I saw him at the Great American Music Hall in San Francisco. It was the funniest set I’ve ever seen. My friend Brian and I were literally laughing so hard we couldn’t breathe.
Either my local NPR station doesn’t get him, or I don’t. 'Cause they seem intent on showcasing him at his least coherent.
Still, good on the guy.
@dannybeans
Listening to him speak at awards shows has been a great pleasure these last several decades, or however long he’s come across as barely coherent.
Have no inside info, but I kinda hope it’s either his great “Fuck you, I don’t have to make sense in your terms” statement, or else he’s just having a really long joke on all of us. In that case I’m willing to wait for the punchline.
Either way: You go, Bob!
A few minutes ago. Only wish I had some sort of party jug to fill with beverage. Very parched right now.
@snapster You went without us?!?!
@ELUNO the tickets dropped so far in price I thought it was a 2004 woot deal. Apparently zero old people are spontaneous.
@ELUNO
@snapster’s a zillionaire. So it’s all clearly part of an international conspiracy.
So obvious. And then they get together, and the Nobel does not even get mentioned. That’s just extra evidence.
Mmmm
bob dylan is no bruce springsteen, dan quayle is no john kennedy, loyd benson is no thomas jefferson
but i believe this award is good and meet and right
oh yea, john lennon is no paul mccartney and jay lenno is no david letterman and max weinberg is no buddy guy…
/giphy and the list goes on
@springsteen And Paul McCartney is likewise no John Lennon.
@SSteve I wish I could swap them too. Paul is on tonight out here at Oldchella. At least Neil Young gets the cognition flowing as the opener.
I guess maybe @springsteen would say he’s no David Crosby but I’d pass on that one too. Maybe your namesake will be old enough to perform out here next year Bruce.
@snapster My guitarist band-mate Steve saw Sir Paul last week in Sacramento. He said it was a great show. I hope you think so too.
I’ve never seen Paul live but I’ve seen Neil a handful of times and in the widest geographic distribution (California, Wisconsin, and Norway). Usually a great show. But the time we saw him before the Blue Notes album was by far the loudest show I’ve ever been to. The concert was at a small theater in Mountain View and they were recording it. Before the concert they said that, for recording purposes, the second half would be the same set so we left at intermission. I don’t think I would have had any hearing left if we had stayed. He ended up not using those recordings and doing the Blue Notes album with a different band because Crazy Horse didn’t do it right.
My point with John and Paul is that neither one is the other. Personally, I like both. Together and separate.
@SSteve I’ve seen Paul a few times. In London he had his grandkids at the show to prove that grandpa was a rock star to them. More humanizing than I expected and I enjoyed that. Easy to be nostalgic for John since his talent is frozen in time. Obviously easy to agree on your point but I was having fun with @springsteen’s premise too.