@guybrush01 And thank god they didn’t make the caramel with sugar. Sounds less and less “natural” as they go on to describe it. And it is plastic free. I guess the competitors mix plastic in it.
@guybrush01@Kidsandliz Excuse me?! Caramel is partially polymerized sugar and most probably high fructose corn syrup because that is cheaper in general owing to the sugar lobby in the U.S.
Chemistry
Main article: Caramelization
Caramelization is the removal of water from a sugar, proceeding to isomerization and polymerization of the sugars into various high-molecular-weight compounds. Compounds such as difructose anhydride may be created from the monosaccharides after water loss. Fragmentation reactions result in low-molecular-weight compounds that may be volatile and may contribute to flavor. Polymerization reactions lead to larger-molecular-weight compounds that contribute to the dark-brown color.[12]
In modern recipes and in commercial production, glucose (from corn syrup or wheat) or invert sugar is added to prevent crystallization, making up 10%–50% of the sugars by mass. “Wet caramels” made by heating sucrose and water instead of sucrose alone produce their own invert sugar due to thermal reaction, but not necessarily enough to prevent crystallization in traditional recipes.[13]
What were you thinking? That this is some sort of magic ingredient from another planet? Another dimension?
@guybrush01@Jackinga I knew caramel was made from sugar. I was being sarcastic and obviously I needed a /s after what I said. What is from another planet is the thought that this would do anything.
@guybrush01@Jackinga@Kidsandliz Actual caramel derives part of its flavor from the compounds produced when sugar partially decomposes and the fractions recombine under heating, but Natural Caramel Flavor need not contain any of them. There are numerous (mostly proprietary) blends of “natural” flavor notes that are sold in the trade for use “natural caramel flavor” food additives which contain no heated-sugar-derived compounds. US labeling requirements permit the omission of the specifics about these flavorings.
@Knightp Actually so did I and I thought who the hell cares if skin cream is dairy free. Not like we are going to eat it… EXCEPT apparently we are supposed to eat it.
If you are interested in research about eating collagen
"Can You Eat Collagen?
Foods containing collagen or foods that help with collagen production including fish, shellfish, meat, oranges, kiwis, bell peppers, eggs, whole grains,There is a lack of research to show that eating collagen can directly benefit skin or joint health. When digested in the stomach, collagen is broken down into amino acids, which are then distributed wherever the body most needs protein. Still, many foods that support collagen production are generally recommended as part of a healthful eating plan."
and
"Bottom Line
At this time, non-industry funded research on collagen supplements is lacking. Natural collagen production is supported through a healthy and balanced diet by eating enough protein foods, whole grains, fruits, and vegetables and reducing lifestyle risk factors."
@Kidsandliz You beat me to it. The key point is that digestion, which happens in one’s gut, breaks down some of the collagen to the component amino acids. Those that are not utilized by gut microbes, who get first dibs, may actually be available via one’s bloodstream/liver, etc. But don’t count on it.
This is a marketing ploy, pure and simple, for the great unwashed, who love a good story as to why something that is either useless, unnecessary, or inherently bad for one is a good deal.
You said it yourself. The benefit, if any, is yet to be established. And in the long run, I would be surprised if there is any appreciable benefit at all.
Most people get all the essential amino acids they can possibly use in their everyday diets.
(Gentle reader, if you do not know what the term “essential” means here, it refers to something that one’s body cannot produce on it’s own. For humans then, amino acids like histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, threonine, tryptophan, and valine are essential along with certain Vitamins such as C (ascorbic acid) and others.)
By contrast, the bulk of amino acids (peptides) that make up collagen are glycine, hydroxyproline, proline, and alanine, not one of which are essential.
@Jackinga@Kidsandliz It’s the same fallacy that made loads of money for the scammers who sold capsules of growth hormone back in the '80s and early '90s. If there was actually any HGH in them, it was going to devolve into amino acids before it could be absorbed, and as such it was guaranteed to do nothing.
@mike808 Put it in coffee if you want to, or in other consumables according to your peculiar tastes; don’t smear it on your skin unless you or someone you presumably know wants to lick it off.
I wife saw this and said she could use more collagen and petted my head lovingly. Wait, what am I here for? (This joke is getting old. Maybe it needs a supplement)
So for the last 30-40 (almost) years I’ve been in collagen deficiency? I guess it’s too late for me - And I think all those that came before, collapsing into little puddles of loose flesh like what’s inside a Dalek because collagen supplements weren’t available for the last 20,000 years.
I looked at the packaging and assumed it was makeup. Oh, wait. Slathering it on your face would be the OTHER way of getting no real benefit from the product.
Wait, so it’s “non-dairy”, ok, but it has Bovine Collagens which is derived from a cow, and i suspect the deriving process is not as renewable as milking said cow …
This right here, THIS is the downfall of western society. And east, south, and north. An ineffective solution to a perceived problem, made from dubious materials described in paradoxes, and then promoted by appealing to people’s insecurities and casting the normal human condition as a malady that can only be solved with magical thinking and money. Oh, and no warranty.
@blaadnort This right here, THIS is the downfall of western society. And east, south, and north. An ineffective solution to a ̶p̶e̶r̶c̶e̶i̶v̶e̶d̶ contrived problem, made from dubious materials described in paradoxes, and then promoted by appealing to people’s insecurities and casting the normal human condition as a malady that can only be solved with magical thinking and money. Oh, and no warranty.
@Helmet0987 Humm I wonder if a certain someone with a murder shed on here could boil human bones and then grind it all up to make human sourced collagen… it would certainly help to get rid of the bodies…
@Helmet0987 Sorry, but I’ve been eating 1-3 cups of bone broth a day since December, and it has improved my hair and skin. I’m going to keep making my own stock out of assorted bones and chicken and pig feet, but might try adding this in too.
I use this brand in the unflavored kind. I got a bunch in my beauty subscription so I never buy it. It doesn’t come with a scooper bc it’s waste free but you only need two teaspoons per serving. I use it in my smoothie every morning. Whether it does anything, who know. I’ve always had hard, long nails and take extra good care of my hair. I like to think it does something. I know it’s supposed to be a good brand.
Also: I have hEDS (a collagen disorder) and the manufacturers have been very careful not to make too strong a claim, because they’re full of crap. That’s not at all how collagenic processes work. But hey, at least it’s dairy free.
I actually take a collagen supplement. I take it mostly for my skin. I have to say, I notice the difference. Not sure if I will have to take it forever, but when I stopped, I could see the change. Unfortunately none of it is cheap. So, for now, I will continue. I am sure it is an age related issue, as we produce less naturally as we age. I will admit I am 65 and a Nurse (RN). Still not sure how the hell that happened…the age thing, not the Nurse thing. Muhahaha. If this product had a longer shelf life, I would consider it. Heck, I may just buy it anyway and use it first.
i’m glad i have you guys to tell me what’s what. it feeling the societal pressures of being an old maid and want my youthful bouncy skin back but looks like digesting cow skin won’t do it.
@Ashkitty I read some stuff about collagen and joint pain. I started taking collagen over a year ago as a protein supplement, and definitely noticed improvements in my hand pain. Apparently I have arthritis
This stuff doesn’t mix well at all in a shaker cup. I have a sandy beach in the bottom of my cup every time I use this. Maybe it mixes better in hot beverages.
Specs
Product: 6-Pack: Dose & Co 12oz Non-Dairy Caramel Collagen Creamer
Model: 11216
Condition: New
What’s Included?
Price Comparison
$179.94 for 6 at Target
Warranty
90 days
Estimated Delivery
Monday, May 9 - Thursday, May 12
Thank god it’s non-dairy…
@guybrush01 And thank god they didn’t make the caramel with sugar. Sounds less and less “natural” as they go on to describe it. And it is plastic free. I guess the competitors mix plastic in it.
@guybrush01 @Kidsandliz Excuse me?! Caramel is partially polymerized sugar and most probably high fructose corn syrup because that is cheaper in general owing to the sugar lobby in the U.S.
Chemistry
Main article: Caramelization
Caramelization is the removal of water from a sugar, proceeding to isomerization and polymerization of the sugars into various high-molecular-weight compounds. Compounds such as difructose anhydride may be created from the monosaccharides after water loss. Fragmentation reactions result in low-molecular-weight compounds that may be volatile and may contribute to flavor. Polymerization reactions lead to larger-molecular-weight compounds that contribute to the dark-brown color.[12]
In modern recipes and in commercial production, glucose (from corn syrup or wheat) or invert sugar is added to prevent crystallization, making up 10%–50% of the sugars by mass. “Wet caramels” made by heating sucrose and water instead of sucrose alone produce their own invert sugar due to thermal reaction, but not necessarily enough to prevent crystallization in traditional recipes.[13]
What were you thinking? That this is some sort of magic ingredient from another planet? Another dimension?
@guybrush01 @Jackinga I knew caramel was made from sugar. I was being sarcastic and obviously I needed a /s after what I said. What is from another planet is the thought that this would do anything.
@guybrush01 @Jackinga @Kidsandliz Actual caramel derives part of its flavor from the compounds produced when sugar partially decomposes and the fractions recombine under heating, but Natural Caramel Flavor need not contain any of them. There are numerous (mostly proprietary) blends of “natural” flavor notes that are sold in the trade for use “natural caramel flavor” food additives which contain no heated-sugar-derived compounds. US labeling requirements permit the omission of the specifics about these flavorings.
So, at my age, it’s actually gone into reverse?
(I guess that explains a lot…)
@phendrick At my age, I give collagen achy joints.
If I add this to a White Russian, will it be Mac-compatible?
Or will it be mac-n-cheese compatible?
@werehatrack In Soviet Russia, collagen creamer adds you!
But I guess that would be a Red Russian, not a White Russian. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@werehatrack
I went to collagen still don’t know if this actually does anything.
@mehcuda67 I see what you did there.
@mehcuda67 What kind of collagen degree did you get??
@eeterrific @mehcuda67 I guess we can rule out dermatology.
I thought this was a skin cream at first.
@Knightp Oh it’s a skin cream all right, it’s cream made of skin
@Knightp Actually so did I and I thought who the hell cares if skin cream is dairy free. Not like we are going to eat it… EXCEPT apparently we are supposed to eat it.
@Knightp Even knowing it’s not, I still don’t want to eat it.
Ooh I bet cats would love this one!!
@bugger No milk in it. I bet not. Maybe if you mixed tuna in with it they might though.
@bugger If you got the autofeed they had the other day and used this, your cats would have nicer skin in two weeks
@bugger @Kidsandliz coconut cream isn’t that bad IMO
/giphy favorable-solid-yogurt
@housepage916 One of the best lines ever!
Let’s try it!
/giphy eccentric-listless-wheel
@jnicholson0619 Hey! I was working out!
@jnicholson0619 @tweezak
That is so frakking adorable! The little napping fatty is my new spirit animal!
If you are interested in research about eating collagen
"Can You Eat Collagen?
Foods containing collagen or foods that help with collagen production including fish, shellfish, meat, oranges, kiwis, bell peppers, eggs, whole grains,There is a lack of research to show that eating collagen can directly benefit skin or joint health. When digested in the stomach, collagen is broken down into amino acids, which are then distributed wherever the body most needs protein. Still, many foods that support collagen production are generally recommended as part of a healthful eating plan."
and
"Bottom Line
At this time, non-industry funded research on collagen supplements is lacking. Natural collagen production is supported through a healthy and balanced diet by eating enough protein foods, whole grains, fruits, and vegetables and reducing lifestyle risk factors."
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/collagen/
@Kidsandliz You beat me to it. The key point is that digestion, which happens in one’s gut, breaks down some of the collagen to the component amino acids. Those that are not utilized by gut microbes, who get first dibs, may actually be available via one’s bloodstream/liver, etc. But don’t count on it.
This is a marketing ploy, pure and simple, for the great unwashed, who love a good story as to why something that is either useless, unnecessary, or inherently bad for one is a good deal.
You said it yourself. The benefit, if any, is yet to be established. And in the long run, I would be surprised if there is any appreciable benefit at all.
Most people get all the essential amino acids they can possibly use in their everyday diets.
(Gentle reader, if you do not know what the term “essential” means here, it refers to something that one’s body cannot produce on it’s own. For humans then, amino acids like histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, threonine, tryptophan, and valine are essential along with certain Vitamins such as C (ascorbic acid) and others.)
By contrast, the bulk of amino acids (peptides) that make up collagen are glycine, hydroxyproline, proline, and alanine, not one of which are essential.
@Jackinga @Kidsandliz It’s the same fallacy that made loads of money for the scammers who sold capsules of growth hormone back in the '80s and early '90s. If there was actually any HGH in them, it was going to devolve into amino acids before it could be absorbed, and as such it was guaranteed to do nothing.
So, wait. You don’t put this in your coffee?
Or do you smear it on your skin?
@mike808 Yes?
@mike808 Put it in coffee if you want to, or in other consumables according to your peculiar tastes; don’t smear it on your skin unless you or someone you presumably know wants to lick it off.
@mike808 You can do either!!
@mike808 It’s a floor wax and a dessert topping!
What’s the SPF on these bad boys?
@mike808 nslookup failed to return a result. Domain name not found.
@werehatrack signed in to give this a well-deserved nerdy star. Now get out.
I wife saw this and said she could use more collagen and petted my head lovingly. Wait, what am I here for? (This joke is getting old. Maybe it needs a supplement)
I too am disturbed by the thought of sugar free caramel. And I like my collagen in my pho.
So for the last 30-40 (almost) years I’ve been in collagen deficiency? I guess it’s too late for me - And I think all those that came before, collapsing into little puddles of loose flesh like what’s inside a Dalek because collagen supplements weren’t available for the last 20,000 years.
This is one of the most profoundly confusing items I’ve ever seen for sale on this site and I’m on board for it.
@mattpekarek Skateboard, belly board, surfboard, snowboard, or longboard?
@mattpekarek @werehatrack Maybe whiteboard, blackboard, or school board?
@mattpekarek @werehatrack @xobzoo or maybe just bored?
I looked at the packaging and assumed it was makeup. Oh, wait. Slathering it on your face would be the OTHER way of getting no real benefit from the product.
Wait, so it’s “non-dairy”, ok, but it has Bovine Collagens which is derived from a cow, and i suspect the deriving process is not as renewable as milking said cow …
eh, and i just read how they do it …
https://www.thecollagen.co/blogs/news/what-is-bovine-collagen
@stolicat not as renewable… Dying
This right here, THIS is the downfall of western society. And east, south, and north. An ineffective solution to a perceived problem, made from dubious materials described in paradoxes, and then promoted by appealing to people’s insecurities and casting the normal human condition as a malady that can only be solved with magical thinking and money. Oh, and no warranty.
Aw hell, I’m in the wrong business…
@blaadnort This right here, THIS is the downfall of western society. And east, south, and north. An ineffective solution to a ̶p̶e̶r̶c̶e̶i̶v̶e̶d̶ contrived problem, made from dubious materials described in paradoxes, and then promoted by appealing to people’s insecurities and casting the normal human condition as a malady that can only be solved with magical thinking and money. Oh, and no warranty.
Aw hell, I’m in the wrong business…
Fixed it for you. Otherwise, a truly great rant.
It’s already been proven you can’t just eat collagen and you have more collagen. It’s something you body must fabricate.
Simply eating it doesn’t give you more it’s broken down in your stomach.
This is just big meat trying to sell you something that is otherwise awaste product of the meat industry.
@Helmet0987 Heh, heh. You said “big meat”. Heh. heh.
@Helmet0987 Humm I wonder if a certain someone with a murder shed on here could boil human bones and then grind it all up to make human sourced collagen… it would certainly help to get rid of the bodies…
@Helmet0987 Sorry, but I’ve been eating 1-3 cups of bone broth a day since December, and it has improved my hair and skin. I’m going to keep making my own stock out of assorted bones and chicken and pig feet, but might try adding this in too.
Question: Did Meh buy out “worldsmostunpopularfoods.com” or something??
They seem to sell of a lot of this sort of crap…
I use this brand in the unflavored kind. I got a bunch in my beauty subscription so I never buy it. It doesn’t come with a scooper bc it’s waste free but you only need two teaspoons per serving. I use it in my smoothie every morning. Whether it does anything, who know. I’ve always had hard, long nails and take extra good care of my hair. I like to think it does something. I know it’s supposed to be a good brand.
@Star2236 That’s nice that they don’t include scoops. I wish they all would. People use the products at home where they have spoons.
This isn’t even Mac compatible!
Also: I have hEDS (a collagen disorder) and the manufacturers have been very careful not to make too strong a claim, because they’re full of crap. That’s not at all how collagenic processes work. But hey, at least it’s dairy free.
You want us to eat paste.
Got it.
@blaineg
So this is pretty much just snake oil. But not real snake oil, which might actually do something for your skin.
I actually take a collagen supplement. I take it mostly for my skin. I have to say, I notice the difference. Not sure if I will have to take it forever, but when I stopped, I could see the change. Unfortunately none of it is cheap. So, for now, I will continue. I am sure it is an age related issue, as we produce less naturally as we age. I will admit I am 65 and a Nurse (RN). Still not sure how the hell that happened…the age thing, not the Nurse thing. Muhahaha. If this product had a longer shelf life, I would consider it. Heck, I may just buy it anyway and use it first.
The packaging is slightly misleading. The front of the container says 10g per serving, and the back says 20g. So, hmmm. Which is it?
@Mandamm 10g collagen per serving, and a serving size is 20g.
“Dairy free collagen creamer” might be the least appetizing phrase I’ve ever read.
i’m glad i have you guys to tell me what’s what. it feeling the societal pressures of being an old maid and want my youthful bouncy skin back but looks like digesting cow skin won’t do it.
@Ashkitty I read some stuff about collagen and joint pain. I started taking collagen over a year ago as a protein supplement, and definitely noticed improvements in my hand pain. Apparently I have arthritis
/buy
@uvassassin It worked! Your order number is: grand-whispering-pixie
/image grand whispering pixie
FedEx Smartpost is utter garbage of a service.
This stuff doesn’t mix well at all in a shaker cup. I have a sandy beach in the bottom of my cup every time I use this. Maybe it mixes better in hot beverages.
@cory206sea I always mix it into my coffee and it dissolves instantly. I haven’t tried it in a colder fluid.
@cory206sea
I always mixed it into my smoothie using my mini blender and could never tell it was in there.