@awk I’m guessing that the real light output is more like 400 to 600. And even at that level, a 4,000 milliamp hour battery is going to be challenged to deliver three and a half hours of runtime. On the other hand, the experience of people who have tested lights of this type has been that the light output tends to fall off a few minutes after you turn them on at full power, so maybe they do get three and a half hours of runtime at full brilliance setting, but just not full brilliance actual output.
@SnakeJG, And why not sell one for $24-$25¿? That’s a bad business xhoice that meh habitually makes. I would buy one, but won’t spend my money for two & simply remind my ass that I was doing just fine with none!!
They didn’t give any specifications for the runtime available at full brightness. It’s not hard to figure out why. With that size of battery, it won’t be all that long.
@mehmoth The lumens and runtimes claimed for LED flashlights and such on Amazon are notoriously hyperinflated. But if they really are putting out 2,000 lumens from those LEDs, then they’re drawing about 5.7 amps from the battery. Well, a 4,000 milliamp hour battery can sustain that for about 45 minutes. So no, I don’t think you’re going to get 3 hours unless the light output is a whole lot lower than what they’re claiming. And that’s not unlikely.
Your absolutely right about the claimed number of lumens, but I’d take the runtime estimates as more fact. People would really complain if they only got 45 minutes of runtime, but most would be satisfied with the high setting being just bright as shit, even though it’s nowhere near 3000.
@mehmoth Experience has been that Amazon invented-name “merchants” peddling LED lighting tend to inflate lumens by a factor ranging from 4X to 500X, and runtimes by 2X to 6X. I would expect these to be about 400 to 600 lumens with a runtime closer to two and a half hours, tops. And the dimmer probably goes down to no lower than about 6% of the max output. Below that, you’re getting under night-light levels. And with only six reviews, these have not been listed there long enough for actual people to post any real feedback.
@Xieneus Meh typically has just one shipping option, and express isn’t it. In fact, there have been multiple discussions of just how not-express the shipping can be at times.
@Xieneus If you have a Costco nearby (and a membership), they had a decent Coleman LED lantern when I was last there. H_rb_r Fr__ght has a 1250-lumen lantern for 20 bucks that looks like a decent choice, too.
As i stated in a comment, I Will buy one for $24-$25, but I won’t buy, nor need two & really don’t need one!! Then again, Buy One, Get One Free, sounds great!
The dimensions given lead me to suspect that the LEDs present in this are of approximately comparable numbers and output to those that were in the very very cheap LED pop-up lanterns that have been sold here a number of times for a whole lot less money. The principle differences seem to be that these are retro styled to look like a miniature copy of an old Coleman lantern and they have a rechargeable battery. And when I say miniature, I do mean that. They say it’s 9 and 1/4 in tall, where the old Colemans were closer to 14 to 16 in.
@rpstrong No, But trying to edit on the phone instead of the desktop leads to peculiar results. I need to see if I can get one of the mods to kill that earlier one. Hey, @narfcake, can you wave a magic wand at that first version and make it unhappen?
Some time ago, the magic number was 80 lumens/Watt. Let’s be generous and say 100 lumens/watt. At 3000 lumens, that means these are running 30W! Rating things in mA is also BS, because without the battery voltage, is mostly meaningless, so assuming 3.7V * 4000mAhr that’s 14.8 WHr total power. i.e. If the LEDs were actually running at ~30W at full brightness, this would run for only a half hour.
I’d bet these are more like 1000 lumens.
@troy Mine looks a lot like that, but it’s USB chargeable, not disposable battery powered. I would definitely NOT use this for phone/tablet charging, just for light. I have much larger emergency chargers.
@MrNews@troy I’ve got a Duracell-branded one that does both; has an internal rechargeable battery, and accepts four D cells as an auxiliary power source.
Meanwhile over at H rb r Fr ght, they have a claimed-1250-lumens lantern powered by 4 D cells that states a runtime of 2 hours on its high setting, which at least makes those stats consistent with each other. It’s $20. HF has been burned at the stake over lumen claims in the past, and their current flashlights are reliably close to the stated outputs, so that 1250 could be real - and if so, it’s the rough equivalent of a 75W incandescent, which is not shabby at all.
@werehatrack And my local Costco had a Duracell-branded 1500 lumen lantern with dual power capability; it has an internal rechargeable lithium battery plus a cavity for 4 D cells. As an emergency light, that’s actually a good idea, since it’s difficult to recharge anything when the power is out. (I grabbed one, since Duracell is usually honest about light output and probable duration, while Amazon sellers tend to inflate their claims ridiculously for both lumens and runtime.)
@narfcake Yep. The inflation has started to go asymptotic; I’ve spotted some claiming 990,000 lumens. That’s instakill weapons-grade output. If you could get a hand-carryable battery-included unit with that capacity for $50 on Amazon (or anywhere else), the current war would abruptly get a whole lot shorter and warmer.
OBTW, in the Amazon photos, you can see that the dimmer knob says it dims from 3000 down to 30 lumens. The package labeling says 3000 to 180. Both of those are absurdly wide ratios, and the upper-end figure for light output is impossible to reconcile with the stated battery capacity and claimed runtime. Given all of the obvious issues visible, I smell the desperate need for a few corn snakes.
I bought them just because no Amazon packages are arriving today, so my wife isn’t mad at me. Also, I’m down to four remaining mehcoupons. I AM WINNING!
I often spend too long looking at The Who is buying this map. Why are there more colors indicated in the states than indicated in the chart? I get 5 colors where only four needed assuming the darkest green is zero West Virginia and Virginia are different colors but both are different than the lightest green grey making up the Oregon Idaho mass. I get the point is to make a simple color chart for aesthetic reasons but the information is more important right? And then I remember no— it’s not I don’t care who’s buying this crap.
Nowhere near 3,000 lumens–that’s just a flat-out LIE. They light up a room similar to a 60 watt bulb, so maybe around 800 lumens at best. Add to that the fact they don’t seem to want to actually recharge after being used, and we have a real rip-off in this item.
Specs
2-Pack: LitezAll Rechargable 360° Dimmable 3000 Lumen Lanterns
Condition: New
Model#: 24891
Dimensions
What’s Included?
2-Pack: LitezAll Rechargable 360° Dimmable 3000 Lumen Lanterns
Price Comparison
$129.98 for two on Amazon
Warranty
90 days
Estimated Delivery
Monday, Nov 21 - Friday, Nov 25
This deal is lit
Why am I always drawn to lights? Well, other than when the power goes out.
@hchavers
@hchavers @Kyeh, I hate Moths!! They had gotten in my auto refinish nite-time spray jobs, and completely ruined a few Wool suits!!
@hchavers @1DisabledWarVet
I hate the clothes moths, but there are some moths that are pretty spectacular:
https://meh.com/forum/topics/whats-in-your-garden-now#631d6ad6542737f1d0ccba1b
@hchavers @Kyeh Sorry to ask a real question, but what is the source?
@hchavers @zachhh Source of that giphy image, you mean? I don’t know.
@hchavers @Kyeh sausage? Mothman.
@hchavers @zachhh
3000 lumens? Really? Must have some impressive heat dissipation.
@awk I guess a couple could take care of a lighthouse. (Or, light my house.)
Can these be solar-powered (day) or lunar-powered (night).
@awk, I thought it odd that they stated, ‘Dimmable from 3000 to 180 Lumens’!! The specs section didn’t make that weird presentation!!
@awk I’m guessing that the real light output is more like 400 to 600. And even at that level, a 4,000 milliamp hour battery is going to be challenged to deliver three and a half hours of runtime. On the other hand, the experience of people who have tested lights of this type has been that the light output tends to fall off a few minutes after you turn them on at full power, so maybe they do get three and a half hours of runtime at full brilliance setting, but just not full brilliance actual output.
Needs more
cowbellmAh of battery for that much light.@werehatrack, Okay, Mr Christopher Walken, we here ya clucking!
Really expensive for a combo LED light and rather weak battery. Vintage only gets you so far. Meh.
@SnakeJG, And why not sell one for $24-$25¿? That’s a bad business xhoice that meh habitually makes. I would buy one, but won’t spend my money for two & simply remind my ass that I was doing just fine with none!!
COB Lights are Da Bomb!! It’s like you’re staring at the Sun!!
@IndifferentDude,
Revved up like a deuce another runner in the night [the Boss/Manfred Mann]!
@IndifferentDude Lights on a COB? Everything is on a COB! RUN!
@IndifferentDude COB lights remind me of a big lump with knobs!
ETA: It has the juice!
@GeckoD So few will understand . . .
They didn’t give any specifications for the runtime available at full brightness. It’s not hard to figure out why. With that size of battery, it won’t be all that long.
@werehatrack From the Amazon description:
“Run time varies from 3.5 hours on the brightest setting to 28 hours on the lowest.”
@mehmoth @werehatrack Leave it to the moth to know all about the light.
@mehmoth The lumens and runtimes claimed for LED flashlights and such on Amazon are notoriously hyperinflated. But if they really are putting out 2,000 lumens from those LEDs, then they’re drawing about 5.7 amps from the battery. Well, a 4,000 milliamp hour battery can sustain that for about 45 minutes. So no, I don’t think you’re going to get 3 hours unless the light output is a whole lot lower than what they’re claiming. And that’s not unlikely.
@PooltoyWolf @werehatrack
Light is what I do best! (It’s really all I do…)
@werehatrack
Your absolutely right about the claimed number of lumens, but I’d take the runtime estimates as more fact. People would really complain if they only got 45 minutes of runtime, but most would be satisfied with the high setting being just bright as shit, even though it’s nowhere near 3000.
@mehmoth Experience has been that Amazon invented-name “merchants” peddling LED lighting tend to inflate lumens by a factor ranging from 4X to 500X, and runtimes by 2X to 6X. I would expect these to be about 400 to 600 lumens with a runtime closer to two and a half hours, tops. And the dimmer probably goes down to no lower than about 6% of the max output. Below that, you’re getting under night-light levels. And with only six reviews, these have not been listed there long enough for actual people to post any real feedback.
Can y’all express ship these? I’m going camping on Friday.
@Xieneus if not just drive to TX.
@Xieneus Meh typically has just one shipping option, and express isn’t it. In fact, there have been multiple discussions of just how not-express the shipping can be at times.
@Xieneus If you have a Costco nearby (and a membership), they had a decent Coleman LED lantern when I was last there. H_rb_r Fr__ght has a 1250-lumen lantern for 20 bucks that looks like a decent choice, too.
Anything that’s named “ole” means it going to end up in the “ole” junk pile
@somf69, Not really!! What about, Ole Man [me], and/or Ole Ms, aka, [the University of Ms]¿?
@1DisabledWarVet @somf69 And my distant cousin Ole who lives in Norway.
I think I prefer my Coleman white gas lantern. Rechargeable, dimmable and kills bugs.
@tweezak, I may be wrong [it wouldn’t be the 1st time], but wouldn’t that be ‘refuelable’¿?
@1DisabledWarVet potato potato
As i stated in a comment, I Will buy one for $24-$25, but I won’t buy, nor need two & really don’t need one!! Then again, Buy One, Get One Free, sounds great!
Isn’t that what you’re doing?
Buy one for $49 and get one free…
Perspective is a wonderful thing!
And the listing on Amazon has only six ratings for this thing. Yeah, that’s a real confidence builder.
The dimensions given lead me to suspect that the LEDs present in this are of approximately comparable numbers and output to those that were in the very very cheap LED pop-up lanterns that have been sold here a number of times for a whole lot less money. The principle differences seem to be that these are retro styled to look like a miniature copy of an old Coleman lantern and they have a rechargeable battery. And when I say miniature, I do mean that. They say it’s 9 and 1/4 in tall, where the old Colemans were closer to 14 to 16 in.
@werehatrack Are the Colemans shrinking?
@rpstrong No, But trying to edit on the phone instead of the desktop leads to peculiar results. I need to see if I can get one of the mods to kill that earlier one. Hey, @narfcake, can you wave a magic wand at that first version and make it unhappen?
@narfcake @rpstrong And while the evidence that one was committed persists, the error has been redacted. Yay.
Some time ago, the magic number was 80 lumens/Watt. Let’s be generous and say 100 lumens/watt. At 3000 lumens, that means these are running 30W! Rating things in mA is also BS, because without the battery voltage, is mostly meaningless, so assuming 3.7V * 4000mAhr that’s 14.8 WHr total power. i.e. If the LEDs were actually running at ~30W at full brightness, this would run for only a half hour.
I’d bet these are more like 1000 lumens.
@caffeineguy Exactly so.
@caffeineguy If not even less, on all counts.
Got something very similar over at Monoprice, costing about $16 (for one). Not to say that these are a dime a dozen, but…
@MrNews … a buck a gross might be possible if you want to haggle.
@MrNews This one?
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=43049
1000-Lumens, powered by D Batteries, not progressively dimmable and can’t charge your stuff
@MrNews @troy 4000mAh of battery isn’t going to do much charging if you also want ro keep rhe lantern running for more than a few minutes.
@troy Mine looks a lot like that, but it’s USB chargeable, not disposable battery powered. I would definitely NOT use this for phone/tablet charging, just for light. I have much larger emergency chargers.
@MrNews @troy I’ve got a Duracell-branded one that does both; has an internal rechargeable battery, and accepts four D cells as an auxiliary power source.
Meanwhile over at H rb r Fr ght, they have a claimed-1250-lumens lantern powered by 4 D cells that states a runtime of 2 hours on its high setting, which at least makes those stats consistent with each other. It’s $20. HF has been burned at the stake over lumen claims in the past, and their current flashlights are reliably close to the stated outputs, so that 1250 could be real - and if so, it’s the rough equivalent of a 75W incandescent, which is not shabby at all.
@werehatrack And my local Costco had a Duracell-branded 1500 lumen lantern with dual power capability; it has an internal rechargeable lithium battery plus a cavity for 4 D cells. As an emergency light, that’s actually a good idea, since it’s difficult to recharge anything when the power is out. (I grabbed one, since Duracell is usually honest about light output and probable duration, while Amazon sellers tend to inflate their claims ridiculously for both lumens and runtime.)
@werehatrack As tested by TTC:
Some more honest ones:
@narfcake Yep. The inflation has started to go asymptotic; I’ve spotted some claiming 990,000 lumens. That’s instakill weapons-grade output. If you could get a hand-carryable battery-included unit with that capacity for $50 on Amazon (or anywhere else), the current war would abruptly get a whole lot shorter and warmer.
OBTW, in the Amazon photos, you can see that the dimmer knob says it dims from 3000 down to 30 lumens. The package labeling says 3000 to 180. Both of those are absurdly wide ratios, and the upper-end figure for light output is impossible to reconcile with the stated battery capacity and claimed runtime. Given all of the obvious issues visible, I smell the desperate need for a few corn snakes.
I bought them just because no Amazon packages are arriving today, so my wife isn’t mad at me. Also, I’m down to four remaining mehcoupons.
I AM WINNING!
edit This is not how to make your wife happy…
@capnjb I doubt that there’s a recovery program for people habituated to mashing the “Just Buy It Already” button.
@capnjb Keeping the wife happy is the best reason in the world! And at $25 in this day and age…sound pretty cheap to me.
@werehatrack Not yet, but we could make bajillions! I’ll probably sign up 13 times myself!
I often spend too long looking at The Who is buying this map. Why are there more colors indicated in the states than indicated in the chart? I get 5 colors where only four needed assuming the darkest green is zero West Virginia and Virginia are different colors but both are different than the lightest green grey making up the Oregon Idaho mass. I get the point is to make a simple color chart for aesthetic reasons but the information is more important right? And then I remember no— it’s not I don’t care who’s buying this crap.
Nowhere near 3,000 lumens–that’s just a flat-out LIE. They light up a room similar to a 60 watt bulb, so maybe around 800 lumens at best. Add to that the fact they don’t seem to want to actually recharge after being used, and we have a real rip-off in this item.