@uninflammable Sounds like he’s talking about Phenibut, which seems to be a (relatively) potent Central Nervous System depressant. Sounds pretty spooky, but to be fair alcohol is a CNS depressant.
E: It’s worth noting the current formulation of the Crash supplement on the ProSupp website has nearly identical ingredients, except for the Phenibut which has been removed. I’d wager to say its how Meh-meisters got its hands on it.
Hey, science doesn’t say all supplements are useless. B12 supplementation is reportedly vital for vegans to avoid having severe nerve problems after about 10 years. Though I say this as someone who was vegan for 21 years without ever taking B12 supplements and still didn’t exhibit any nerve problems, so maybe even science is made a liar when it recommends a supplement.
Anyway, I loved the honesty of this write up. Even covering undeclared contaminants. Magnifique.
@ravenblack I was vegan for about six weeks, but I remember reading you need so little b12 that you probably get enough just because you’re not thoroughly washing every speck of manure off your vegetables. Appetizing, right?
For those who workout regularly the idea of a sleep aid isn’t a bad one. Remember how all those studies show even moderate intensity workouts increase your metabolism and give you energy?
Sometimes you don’t want energy at 10pm and have to be up at 4am.
If you’re not super careful, you screw the timing up and more often life dictates you can only workout at a crummy time.
So getting help to calm and conk our isn’t a bad idea. That’s why these supplements exist. Sticking to reputable companies would be a good idea. And it’s certainly better for you than most prescription sleep aids. For most people the answer is an antihistamine (benedryle and unisom are nearly the same thing) and some melatonin (legit studied and really works - mildly, as it states).
So then there’s this garbage. Which I almost purchased since I do sometimes use such products - moreso the ones that also function as a nutritional supplement (you grow when you sleep bro!)
But this is a MIX POWDER. It is guaranteed to taste like toxic piss. Blue Razz is supplement code-speak for “tastes like burning.” If it has been capsules I’d probably have bought it.
But blue razz? Gross. Two rules in the supplement world: blue razz is the worst fruit flavor and chocolate is always the worst of the “baked goods” flavors. Avoid avoid avoid.
Hubby swallows an unholy cocktail of prescription, OTC, and herbal sleep aids and still deals with insomnia… He often begs me (I do all the shopping) to get him tryptophan pills… May be total bunk, but if he can fall asleep with nothing more than a new placebo, it’ll be well worth it… In for 3!
Wow, I got angry when I saw the product but was quite amused by the write up and stupid excited when you linked to science based medicine (one of my favorite blogs). Thanks for calling the industry out as a scam… even as you sort of join it.
After going a bit deeper into “what the hell is phenibut” which seems to be the one real ingredient in this thing, and comparing the price-per-phenibut-milligram between this and raw phenibuts, this is a pretty good deal.
(reddit talk about phenibut seemed like the most unbiased source.)
I think we should test the efficacy of these supplements. Meh could do a double blind study using the interns we saved from the Edible Arrangements catastrophe. You could use the expiring snacks as the placebo.
Uh, you did get the interns out of the conference room, didn’t you??
Does it have sucralose? Probably. Everything has sucralose. I should eat one serving of every product with sucralose and use the executive bathroom at their headquarters to show them what they’re doing.
Carla tossed back a handful of Crash capsules. She chased them with a bottle of Pinot Noir from Oregon, hoping one or the other would help her finally sleep.
She closed her eyes.
She could still hear it.
She could still hear Fred turning into a puddle, the soft hiss like a balloon losing air. She could still hear Jessie, her last seconds filled with rage you killed us, bitch, you killed us all. The news reports, too, the rookie cop and the station and the hazmat zone at the port. She heard all of that in her head, even over the hum of the Winix keeping her room clean. There would be no sleep tonight.
Carla knew what she had to do. She booked the next flight through Brisbane and on to Papua New Guinea. Carla was going to see Joshua.
Phenibut (beta-phenyl-gamma-aminobutyric acid HCl) is a neuropsychotropic drug that was discovered and introduced into clinical practice in Russia in the 1960s. It has anxiolytic and nootropic (cognition enhancing) effects.
When the chemist’s coffee (CNS stimulant) kicks in, he’ll explain how explain how a CNS depressant works…oh wait, there it is.
Maltodextrin, sucralose, artificial coloring? No thank you, killed the healthy right there. Agreed about the water before bed, too. Just take a little melatonin and ornithine. Plus, ornithine boosts ur HGH. Win-win. ND’s recommend, not the Internet.
@RiotDemon Thanks for the suggestion. I’ve tried a bunch of stuff over the years – that particular one just leaves me groggy, especially when I still don’t get to sleep. Mostly I just try to distract myself for an hour or so and try again. Success rates are low but it does happy occasionally.
@CatTheMarauder But you are presuming that what they say is in there actually is in there at the concentration they say it is. Not regulated like a drug. Lots of junk like this, when tested has “issues” along that line and at times some things they found had no “active” ingredient in it at all.
I’ve had trouble sleeping for all of my thirty-something years. My mother, who’s very much into self-medication, was constantly having me try new things to help me out; valerian capsules, herbal teas, etc. None of it worked.
Then about a year ago, she recommended I try melatonin supplements. I expected them to be as useless as everything else she was having me try, but I picked up a bottle of 5mg tablets from Wal-Mart, just so I could tell her I tried them. Imagine my surprise when I found that they worked! A single tablet at bed time and I’m out within half an hour.
I strongly recommend others with trouble sleeping try melatonin. Maybe it won’t work for your body chemistry, but it sure did for me, and it’s more natural and less expensive than Nytol or Ambien.
@Albright Might want to add another couple of pills to the meletonin for it to (possibly) be even more effective. See Steve Gibson’s Healthy Sleep Formula. Gibson isn’t selling anything, just recommending that a combo of time release meletonin, Niacinimide and (optionally) Oleamide seems to work better than meletonin alone. At the least, if you have difficulty falling asleep after waking in the middle of the night, the time release meletonin might be worth a try. Meletonin usually is evacuated from the body a couple of hours after you take it so it’s good for falling asleep but not so much for helping you fall asleep again. If, like me, you wake up several times a night, this formula is a godsend.
This one’s kinda fucked up Meh. I mean, selling the stuff from the get go is dicey, but your write up doesn’t address the presence of phenibut. This looks like a pretty low dose per serving, but you really need to acknowledge that in your write up.
I’d avoid drinking booze with this stuff. They’re both downers (specifically GABA or at least potential GABA agonists in the case of the snake oil in question).
so this stuff contains 300mg phenibut per serving. it’s not a huge amount, but it’s enough to do something; i would certainly feel 300mg phenibut.
do NOT take this stuff every day. DO NOT. seriously. phenibut is habit forming and withdrawals are supposedly pretty hellish. keep at least 5 days between uses. this supplement will most definitely work, but it’s most definitely because of the phenibut lol.
Like someone else mentioned if this was in pill from I would buy it. At my age drinking anything right before bed means an extra trip to bathroom in the middle of the night. Really don’t want to think about if this stuff actually works and …
No meh staff wants to chime in on the fact there’s an actual anxiety drug in here that hasn’t been approved by the FDA, builds a tolerance quickly, can cause physical withdrawal symptoms, can take 5+ hours to kick in, has a very long half life, is dangerous if mixed with other drugs or alcohol, and has some severe potential side effects if you overdose?
Seeing as it wasn’t even mentioned in the writeup, I really think you should at least send a warning email to the people who bought it. Only takes one person taking this after drinking (or taking it and then drinking since it can take a long time for the effects to happen) and you could have a tragedy.
@Seeds@therealjrn Both of you are presuming there actually really IS the active ingredient in there at the dose they say. Plenty of unregulated junk, when assays have been done, turn out to have a different dose of the active ingredient and some stuff turns out to have none of it in there.
That being said because, if it really does have in it what they say it has in it, and it can interact with other stuff, certainly meh needed to be up front disclosure rather than do the usual meh, off the wall descriptions (especially not disclosing the drug and calling it a placebo). This is a safety issue in ways that 99% of what is sold here is not (well maybe the exploding hover board things are in that category too…). And that can get tangled with legal liability in worst case. Maybe you should have sold this in Europe where people don’t sue for tripping over their own feet on purpose?