@DRCrank3n I use comcast business class at home. Most of the other providers had some sort of bandwidth limit so I had to go business class for unlimited.
Anyway, even before comcast, Bellsouth/AT&T worked fine with HD. Many things like slingbox and DirecTV on Demand, Netflix, and YouTube all work in HD at least 720. Also Plex and my logitech webcam works great in 1080p.
Being an employee, it almost sounds like you're trying to convince us that 640 x 480 is the maximum resolution you can have in a web cam but I assure you that's not true.
@cengland0 Ha, wish I had that kind of power! I wouldn't be waisting it on this! Guess I've been unlucky in HD WiFi video and love! Spoke with many cam manufacturers at the CES and the common theme was "Consumers want HD cams until they have one." Primary issue is limited bandwidth and slow/glitchy video. Based on my experience I fall within that group.
@DRCrank3n The fail could be in the video compression within the camera isn't so good as well the possibility that you have less upload bandwidth than download bandwidth and you're trying to view over the internet. Perhaps the compromise should be to offer at least 720p and then offer a downgrade when you are having bandwidth issues.
As for me, I would rather have fewer frames/second with HD than lower resolution and more frames/second.
@cengland0 agreed with both of your last statements. For security purposes I'd much prefer the ability to recognize the perp vs being able to discern whether they can dance well to my buckshot!(Give me rez before frames per second.)
@RedOak I work as a video editor at a post production facility, and several times a year we have people bring in absolutely worthless SD security camera footage. Even with clear, unobstructed views of the criminals and ther vehicles, we can almost never get anything useful out of the video, except video evidence that something did indeed happen. That's when everyone thinks we can zoom in on the vin number on the front dash of the car and click "Enhance" several times until we get a positive ID, but that's another story. Anyway, long story short, you absolutely want resolution over high frame rates with security cams. That being said, security cams need local recording at full resolution/framerates, and internet access is always a nice-to-have secondary feature. That seems to be the primary feature of these, so they made reasonable trade offs. Who cares if your baby or Dog are in HD? Just don't think you have anything useful if you find a way to record it for evidence. They do make 720P versions BTW, but I haven't seen anything about recording functions.
@sjsilver With all the cameras I have installed, I've had detectives ask me for video alll the time after a bank robbery and break-ins in the neighborhood. I'm currently using analog ones because that's what the DVR requires but I'm considering on upgrading the entire system to IP and POE for enhanced resolution.
I absolutely agree that you cannot see facial features with standard analog cameras which have 500 lines of resolution (a little better than 640 x 480).
Since you're in the business, do you know of a good 16 channel IP Camera DVR that can supply power to the cameras too? I would also like to view them remotely through IP Cam Viewer if possible. I hate those DVRs that only work on IE after you install a plugin. They completely forget about people that don't use IE, are on a MAC, or just prefer to use a different browser like Opera, Firefox, or Chrome.
@DRCrank3n Why don't they increase their camera speed then? I use some old android phone's that record in 1080p for simple in house cameras and they stream over wifi in HD. I then have a program that handles motion detection and recording. It will transcode the videos to an appropriate internet quality if I need to view from a distance. Although every time I stream I am able to get at least 720p and that is with a terrible 3mbps upload. Also must mention I am not even using a gigabit router.
@cengland0 I am in the video post production business, not the security business, so unfortunately I don't know much about the DVR's. I bought one for our company like 6 years ago that supposedly had streaming, but I never set it up because we just use it mainly for live monitoring of our doors for when someone comes in, and secondarily for video recording backup. All our cameras are still analog though, so there's that too. All I know is, I've never to date been brought security cam footage that was ever worth a damn with identifying anyone, but that is selection bias because if they could identify someone, they wouldn't be contacting video editors with their "magic enhance buttons".
@shawn I just started mehing and I don't feel very good about it. I wish there was a 'soft meh' button, meaning, "Thank you very much,but this isn't for me although I'm sure it would be fine for someone else."
@pepsiwine… sorry, I never saw this when you wrote it, @Pepsiwine! Mea culpa. I'm not really a collector. I just help my little guy with them. A lot more than normal. ;-) Thanks for the offer, but I wouldn't want to put you out. Appreciate it!!
@SteveOOO it's the infrared sensor turning off and on. For a minute I thought someone was spying on me. Turns out aside from the man that sits outside my window with a flower pot in his hand, that isn't so. If I walk past mine, then I'm blocking the light so it clicks on the IR, but as soon as I'm past it the IR clicks off again. Or sometimes you're in that middle grey area where it just keeps clicking off and on and off and on. Still I like it. Works decent as a baby monitor. Works great to spy on the kids and tell them in a robotically foreboding voice "put down the hot pan and climb off the stoooooovvvveee"
@mediobarkre I use D-Link security cameras models DCS-930L and DCS-932L both indoors and outdoors and they work great. Kne of my outdoor ones has been under nothing more than the eave of my roof that overhangs the garage doors. It gets rain, snow, heat, freezing temps and the little bugger does just fine. They pretty cheap, too. I got mine from Amazin for around $30 for the 930 models and roughly $50 apiece for the infrared, day/night models 932. I even have some extra if you want to buy them direct from me. :) Bough a bunch to use as puppy cams and ended up with way more than I need.
@pepsiwine Jeez, sorry for the terrible spelling and grammar in my previous post. I typed it on an iPad and don't have any way to re-read what I've written before I post it to see if there are typing errors because it doesn't let us scroll sideways in the "Say it" text box. I tried to hop on a computer real quick to edit my mistakes, but it was already too late to use the "edit" function. :(
@pepsiwine@SSteve agreed, ironically, editing is easier on the smaller iPhone screen because it pops up the window. A couple tricks I use on the iPad: 1) Pinch-zoom the screen larger - gives you more control. 2) "Select All" your text and for whatever reason it seems to give you more scroll control, especially if you want to jump to the end.
Ahhhhh, looky who breezed in through the door, Twofer Tuesday that dirty temptress. For weeks she used her filthy ways to get me to part with my hard earned moolah. Now though I remain strong and resist her ways for a 3rd consecutive week. Meh, step up your game as your tricks are wearing off....
How does this compare to Foscam? I have an older one of those, and while it isn't exactly HD quality, it gets the job done. Even though it's an "indoor" camera rated for no less than 40 degrees F, I've had it outside under the eaves for like 5 years now and it's still ticking. When it gets down to 10 below it has trouble panning and tilting, but works fine once it warms up again.
If you have three cameras you can do 3D???? So if you have four you can do 4D? And so on? I've always wanted to get into 8D like Buckaroo Banzai, but that would mean I'd have to buy four of these, and I don't have that kind of money....
Amazon says they work reliably, but Insteon seems to have its head up its ass. I got the Foscam and haven't taken it out of the box yet, and this is too rich for my blood to make the impulse purchase. However, if I made more money, I'd check 'em out. Especially if you are just using them to see if your cats are alive while you're out of town for the weekend, which was what I wanted the Foscam for.
I've already been successfully providing the Chinese a secret Window to my pets for about 5 years, with another cheapo $68 Foscam knock-off. The Wife Approval Factor (WAF) is through the roof.
In fact, she really wants a secret Chinese window to the back side of our front and back doors now, making this particular two-fer a no-brainer!
While I can't personally attest to the quality of the back door feed to the Chinese government, nor can I confirm or deny the state of our own Government's ability to monitor my animals (and now doors), I can say these Foscam wannabees are generally no harder to protect from average Joes than your $15 router, and the DDNS and port forwarding is as straightforward as any other application for these technologies.
Pro tip: If you are particularly unsavvy with tech, or if you believe Chinese knock offs of any sort ought to be plug-and-play, quality controlled, automagically secured devices, please purchase from a qualified IP camera specialist. This way, you'll have someone to lose a small claims battle with when you discover your cameras are on a website with 73,000 IP cameras still set to default usernames ("admin") and passwords ("").
@RedOak Not exactly, but my camera does like to "reboot" itself and scan the entirety of my kitchen once in a while. Perhaps my dogs aren't quite interesting enough for one or more interested government party? They do get a good look at my ceiling and the corner behind where the camera is mounted during a scan after all.
The case I had my best slammers in went missing years ago. Now I just have a metal one with an 8-ball impression and a crappy plastic one with a glittery skull on it. Sadly, I have no butler to interrogate as to its whereabouts.
I have purchased FOSCAM about a year ago now, was not able to connect to my iphone after so many tries, so many IP apps, some paid and some free. Now I am thinking of making same mistake again of ordering these. If I order these, can I be able to connect all three through an iphone app and monitor these remotely without these being directly connected to a wired Ethernet connection (i.e. through Wi-Fi). If so, any detailed instructions would be highly appreciated. Thanks for the advance.
@bluetide You'll likely also want a Dynamic DNS (DDNS) service, unless you have an fixed IP address from your ISP (uncommon). Otherwise you'll need to update your camera app every time your ISP gives you a new IP address.
I needed these last night. Whenever there is an accumulating snowfall, the neighbor kids think it is funny to ding dong ditch us. I didn't even bother to open the door last night. It must be super boring at their house to make this an annual thing (doesn't snow often here). I wish these were outdoor compatible.
"weepy-wretched-light" These order numbers are getting more and more foreboding in tone; it's like you guys are actively planting the seed of buyer's remorse before I even get the darn ting! Stop experimenting on my brain. This camera appears to be Identical to the Foscam model F18918; one of their mediocre models to be sure but at this $68 for 2 this looks to be a pretty good deal if you don't need high resolution, which I don't. I finally feel like I'm getting some benefit from my VMP status. 2 purchases within a week.
@plinth I agree with you on the security hole, but this is just like when WIFI routers started... they all came from the factory without a security key... everyone who had a basic sense of computer usage could basically leech from that unprotected wifi... so what did manufacturers do? send their routers with a preinstalled security key.... same here... Just know how to configure your webcam and avoid being a victim of hacking? and I really dont consider that hacking.... it was some lucky guess for the "hacker"
I bought one (2) mostly because I was asking for another of the foscam ones. My QNAP NAS surveillance station app handles 2 cameras for free, and I have to pay a $60 license fee for a 3rd.. But it might be worth it if I have the spare camera laying around. I'm still very happy with my foscam one!
I forget my words, but it was something about trout.. This was the google image search for it, but I'm not opening my email again to find the words.
@macdaddy Right there in the first paragraph, it says, "it's got night vision." That would mean "It is got night vision." Wrong use of it's and should have said "it has night vision." After seeing this one error, I looked no further. I am not the grammar police.
I'm going back and forth on this because I want to avoid making an emotional purchase. Last night, my garage was broken into. All that appears to be taken is the change that was in the center console of both vehicles. Because my car was broken into once, previously, when it sat in my driveway and because my kitchen connects to the garage, I'd like something to alert me or wake me up when I am sleeping if someone breaks into the garage again. I live in a very low-crime area, and I'm pretty sure it's just kids but I want it to stop. What I am reading indicates that it sends an email at motion detection; is that email in real time? I am thinking about attaching it to an email address used just for this purpose and assigning it a very loud alert on my cell phone. But then, if I do get that alert, and someone is out there I don't even know what I'd do. Probably just flick the lights on, open the garage door and scare the crap out of them. After calling the cops of course.
@therealmrsbeny You could pick up a couple cheapy fake ones. But I think if I were you I'd spring for these, but that would be an emotional choice as you stated. I want them but fear they are smarter than me.
@mehdaf I'm thinking a couple of the motion sensors might do nicely. We have a three car garage, the two car side is solid but you have to manually latch the third door, and it looks like we forgot to do that last night. I just can't believe someone would be so brazen to come into the garage and then leave with a few hands-full of change. More diligence on a latch and a motion detector will probably boost my peace of mind.
@ACraigL so do I! Apparently this forum has a pretty meh implementation of Markdown that doesn't allow tables. Workaround: copy the comment text and then paste it into this improved editor/viewer https://stackedit.io/editor.
@mwarren Interesting that the Foscam says it maxes out at 15fps, but through my qnap nas surveillance station I've been able to up it to 20 fps.. It was a noticeable difference between 15fps and 20fps.
What was the original 2-for-Tuesday price? I don't care that Amazon has it for $130-something. $20 seems a bit expensive for something I don't need or have a use for. Best I can think of is to somehow set it up in the laundry room so I can monitor the washer and dryer to see if they are done.
Sounds more like an ingenious marketing scheme. Send customers a product you want to get rid of that they didn't ask for, then ask them to mail it back or you'll charge their credit card. Meh marketing department FTW!
@sjk3 I believe it was $35 plus $5 shipping for 2 cameras on 2-for-Tuesday. I honestly believe Meh made an honest mistake sending cameras instead of lanterns to people. I don't think it was how you think it was. It probably makes a very nice present for new parents with a baby. They can use the camera as a baby cam.