Hope you get a work only phone and turn or Goff when you leave the office
If they want you to be on call they can pay a hefty hourly rate for that and an additional 3 hour min at full hourly rate in the call for test for any reason.
And all that counts for OT after 40 hours.
And zero pay reductions of mgmt positions to help them afford it.
@f00l I’m salary, so I’m basically a slave as far as they’re concerned. 40 hours, 80 hours, 110 hours, they pay me the same and the only compensation I get is the middle finger and told the quit if I don’t like it
@capnjb
The only ‘camping’ I am able to do these days is I suppose is glamping. Wheelchair friendly and accessible restrooms. Back in the day it was totally bare basics; mess kit, canteen , pocket knife, sleeping bag, waterproof matches and a tarp & rope. Some spare clothes if it fit in the backpack. Had a compass with a thermometer on my keychain and wristwatch( the wind up kind TIMEX) Guns only if hunting not a camping staple. A duffel bag with fishing gear, rod, reel, line, bobbers, and some can goods or dried foodstuffs (later years MREs). Had fun exploring the Rockies and the Bad lands. Spent a few nights on the Rosebud Res with extended family and friends; sleeping in teepees. Great memories but now it’s fancy cabins if I get out at all.
@jkawaguchi That sounds like many memories were made Those pics were from https://www.thetreehousecamp.com/ No electricity or running water. But, they are actually quite nice accommodations, and they have a main office with a little general store if you forget something and proper clean bathrooms and showers. Also, a well with a hand pump if you get low on water. And a really big campsite as well
@macromeh The great thing about where I live is that I can drive 30 minutes south (without traffic) and be at the Whitehouse in D.C. or I can drive 30 minutes north and be deep in the woods in a brown house Heh
I can definitely live without using talking silicon, but no way in hell would I stay in the wilderness without my lead pepper spray and a working phone.
I used to work for Outward Bound and took people camping for a living in several different countries. I also ran two college outdoor adventure recreation programs. I’ve been camping in 40-60 below (using outhouses, no electricity and had to dig an 8’ deep hole to pump water from the lake to the main building in NW Ontario a 2 week canoe paddle from the James Bay off the Hudson’s Bay) and a billion degrees above zero in a billion plus humidity with daily afternoon lightning storms (also canoeing) and a bunch in between. I’ve seen such beautiful and amazing northern lights so many times it became almost “normal”. I’ve seen a polar bear, grizzlies and their cubs, rattle snakes, copperheads, etc., brown bears, alligators, skunks, aggressive thieving raccoons, and the most dangerous of all humans… . I’ve worked with juvenile delinquents, “regular” kids, college students (including spring break trips and a semester long trip) adults, the disabled…I can start a fire with matches in the pouring rain. And in Germany our program housed out of the building in the alps that used to be Hitler’s best buds’ retreat.
Done it canoeing, caving, kayaking, backpacking, smaller boat sailing, rock climbing, dog sledding (with cross country skiing), tall ships, rope courses, and probably more I can’t think of now. Done it in 8 countries (counting the USA). I’ve been in the NYC parade of sails on the 4th of July several times (one of the “class B” boats - 100 tons, along side the big Class A boats) including once as a guest of the Uruguay Navy on their boat. That was so seriously cool. We’ve pranked the US Coast Guard Sail Training vessel the Eagle in return for pranking us putting one of those long tube balloons as a penis on the lion we had (eg the figure head - these are on the bow - front - of the boat) while docked and we didn’t see it until 10 in the morning. I got to the point where I could memorize a topo map and in my mind even take a compass bearing off of it that was pretty close.
I’ve seen a water spout (water tornado) on the Chesapeake bay and a ton of whales just north of Gloucester, MA although one in the Boston harbor that blew is water spout and some of us got wet (and it stinks of wet fish). And we spent several hours (with a boat full of passengers) watching a whale feeding on red krill repeatedly go under our boat and surface. Whales have surprisingly soft skin. I’d helped plan and been part of the Baltimore to Norfolk schooner race several times. I have helped fight forest fires more than once we they were near where our program was located. I have not seen the Lock Nesd monster despite having a monster watch all night the several days we were sailing on that lake (told the students that was what we were doing, actually we needed to keep an eye on the anchored sail boats). Kayaked in NW Scotland in the ocean and often got followed by seals. Such amazing things I never imagined I’d experience.
Did it where it rained at least once each day for 63 days straight (Scotland), and where we went days with perfect weather. Saw some really amazing things and I wouldn’t trade what I had done back then for anything (even though it impacts saving for retirement and social security amounts). The experiences were amazing and I saw some really spectacular things.
It was a blast. And we are paid really poorly doing that. But it was some of the best jobs I have ever had and I’d do it again even though financially I am suffering from that now. They gave me amazing life experiences. Then I got tired of being poor and went back to school and did more ordinary things for a living (taught college).
I’ve also done car camping growing up (my family would go for a month in the summer) and as an adult. As a kid on an island camping we were caught in the tail end of a hurricane working it’s way up the shoreline (warnings back then weren’t as good as they are now). We thought that was cool (other than the fact that the rain felt like knives on our skin and 55 gallon trash cans were airborne).
Back in the days when we lived and worked in Yosemite as dirty silly hippies, it was a 60L pack, rolled mat, mummy bag, bear canister and whatever fit into the pack.
Now. Hammock with rain and bug fly or tent with cots. Definitely too old to go back to just sleeping on the floor in a bag.
Near the McDonald Observatory in the Davis Mountains (which is owned by UT).
/image McDonald Observatory Texas
Don’t go to Big Bend National Park in summer unless you are completely prepared including heat acclimated.
Don’t drive off road on gravel tracks unless you have the right sort of vehicle.
(If you plan to drive off the paved roads or hike off trail, maybe get one of those Garmin satellite text communicators and gps devices.
If all the people who go to Death Valley every summer carried those, there would prob be no deaths there every summer)
Other than that, the National Park is brutally gorgeous, pure desert, quite large, far from anywhere, and close to empty.
During the spring there are astonishing wildflowers.
/image big bend bluebonnets
And next door to it is the almost as large and possibly even more brutal and quite gorgeous state park, Ranch Big Bend
Thirty years ago, how did the scouts ever find the toilet without GPS?
HAHAHAHAHA
@phendrick
Maps
@kittykat9180 @phendrick I would’ve thought by smell positioning system.
KuoH
If I’m camping, I’m going somewhere where there’s no cell signal so my boss finally can’t harass me on vacation
@TheGreatNico
Hope you get a work only phone and turn or Goff when you leave the office
If they want you to be on call they can pay a hefty hourly rate for that and an additional 3 hour min at full hourly rate in the call for test for any reason.
And all that counts for OT after 40 hours.
And zero pay reductions of mgmt positions to help them afford it.
@f00l I’m salary, so I’m basically a slave as far as they’re concerned. 40 hours, 80 hours, 110 hours, they pay me the same and the only compensation I get is the middle finger and told the quit if I don’t like it
@TheGreatNico
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My favorite kind of camping really isn’t camping at all. It involves sleeping inside a structure that may or may not be mobile.
Guns and fire.
Although sometimes we do go cabin glamping. At my wife’s request of course
@capnjb
The only ‘camping’ I am able to do these days is I suppose is glamping. Wheelchair friendly and accessible restrooms. Back in the day it was totally bare basics; mess kit, canteen , pocket knife, sleeping bag, waterproof matches and a tarp & rope. Some spare clothes if it fit in the backpack. Had a compass with a thermometer on my keychain and wristwatch( the wind up kind TIMEX) Guns only if hunting not a camping staple. A duffel bag with fishing gear, rod, reel, line, bobbers, and some can goods or dried foodstuffs (later years MREs). Had fun exploring the Rockies and the Bad lands. Spent a few nights on the Rosebud Res with extended family and friends; sleeping in teepees. Great memories but now it’s fancy cabins if I get out at all.
@jkawaguchi That sounds like many memories were made
Those pics were from https://www.thetreehousecamp.com/ No electricity or running water. But, they are actually quite nice accommodations, and they have a main office with a little general store if you forget something and proper clean bathrooms and showers. Also, a well with a hand pump if you get low on water. And a really big campsite as well 
@capnjb Hey, that second photo looks kind of like my back yard…
@macromeh The great thing about where I live is that I can drive 30 minutes south (without traffic) and be at the Whitehouse in D.C. or I can drive 30 minutes north and be deep in the woods in a brown house
Heh 
@capnjb Nice! (Hey - I live in a white house deep in the woods…
)
@macromeh
My #1 requirement is a place with showers.
Since these days I travel while working remote, WiFi is often a requirement as well.
I love being in nature, but I’ve come to realize that I don’t love sleeping on the ground in an 85° tent. Cabin with Wi-Fi please!
@Superllama7 tent fans ftw
I can definitely live without using talking silicon, but no way in hell would I stay in the wilderness without my lead pepper spray and a working phone.
Santa Anas and El Nino is coming. Likely power outages too. Whoopie!
I used to work for Outward Bound and took people camping for a living in several different countries. I also ran two college outdoor adventure recreation programs. I’ve been camping in 40-60 below (using outhouses, no electricity and had to dig an 8’ deep hole to pump water from the lake to the main building in NW Ontario a 2 week canoe paddle from the James Bay off the Hudson’s Bay) and a billion degrees above zero in a billion plus humidity with daily afternoon lightning storms (also canoeing) and a bunch in between. I’ve seen such beautiful and amazing northern lights so many times it became almost “normal”. I’ve seen a polar bear, grizzlies and their cubs, rattle snakes, copperheads, etc., brown bears, alligators, skunks, aggressive thieving raccoons, and the most dangerous of all humans…
. I’ve worked with juvenile delinquents, “regular” kids, college students (including spring break trips and a semester long trip) adults, the disabled…I can start a fire with matches in the pouring rain. And in Germany our program housed out of the building in the alps that used to be Hitler’s best buds’ retreat.
Done it canoeing, caving, kayaking, backpacking, smaller boat sailing, rock climbing, dog sledding (with cross country skiing), tall ships, rope courses, and probably more I can’t think of now. Done it in 8 countries (counting the USA). I’ve been in the NYC parade of sails on the 4th of July several times (one of the “class B” boats - 100 tons, along side the big Class A boats) including once as a guest of the Uruguay Navy on their boat. That was so seriously cool. We’ve pranked the US Coast Guard Sail Training vessel the Eagle in return for pranking us putting one of those long tube balloons as a penis on the lion we had (eg the figure head - these are on the bow - front - of the boat) while docked and we didn’t see it until 10 in the morning. I got to the point where I could memorize a topo map and in my mind even take a compass bearing off of it that was pretty close.
I’ve seen a water spout (water tornado) on the Chesapeake bay and a ton of whales just north of Gloucester, MA although one in the Boston harbor that blew is water spout and some of us got wet (and it stinks of wet fish). And we spent several hours (with a boat full of passengers) watching a whale feeding on red krill repeatedly go under our boat and surface. Whales have surprisingly soft skin. I’d helped plan and been part of the Baltimore to Norfolk schooner race several times. I have helped fight forest fires more than once we they were near where our program was located. I have not seen the Lock Nesd monster despite having a monster watch all night the several days we were sailing on that lake (told the students that was what we were doing, actually we needed to keep an eye on the anchored sail boats). Kayaked in NW Scotland in the ocean and often got followed by seals. Such amazing things I never imagined I’d experience.
Did it where it rained at least once each day for 63 days straight (Scotland), and where we went days with perfect weather. Saw some really amazing things and I wouldn’t trade what I had done back then for anything (even though it impacts saving for retirement and social security amounts). The experiences were amazing and I saw some really spectacular things.
It was a blast. And we are paid really poorly doing that. But it was some of the best jobs I have ever had and I’d do it again even though financially I am suffering from that now. They gave me amazing life experiences. Then I got tired of being poor and went back to school and did more ordinary things for a living (taught college).
I’ve also done car camping growing up (my family would go for a month in the summer) and as an adult. As a kid on an island camping we were caught in the tail end of a hurricane working it’s way up the shoreline (warnings back then weren’t as good as they are now). We thought that was cool (other than the fact that the rain felt like knives on our skin and 55 gallon trash cans were airborne).
So yes to camping!!!
Camping for me is when the power goes out
@Star2236 I keep giggling reading this.
Back in the days when we lived and worked in Yosemite as dirty silly hippies, it was a 60L pack, rolled mat, mummy bag, bear canister and whatever fit into the pack.
Now. Hammock with rain and bug fly or tent with cots. Definitely too old to go back to just sleeping on the floor in a bag.
@sillyheathen WOW! Fantastic!
@Kyeh it was a crazy time. So many amazing people and memories. Hoping our tallest will want to work the summer there once he graduates.
When I was young my feet and s heavy pack and good boots were what I wanted.
Now …
I wish for some fine horseback camping with good places to place tents or stay in cabins.
And available water.
And WiFi or AC it break it up.
But what I would really want is this:
@f00l that photo is stunning.
@sillyheathen
That’s Big Bend National Park.
/image Chisos Mountains
A serious Dark Sky area.
Near the McDonald Observatory in the Davis Mountains (which is owned by UT).
/image McDonald Observatory Texas
Don’t go to Big Bend National Park in summer unless you are completely prepared including heat acclimated.
Don’t drive off road on gravel tracks unless you have the right sort of vehicle.
(If you plan to drive off the paved roads or hike off trail, maybe get one of those Garmin satellite text communicators and gps devices.
If all the people who go to Death Valley every summer carried those, there would prob be no deaths there every summer)
Other than that, the National Park is brutally gorgeous, pure desert, quite large, far from anywhere, and close to empty.
During the spring there are astonishing wildflowers.
/image big bend bluebonnets
And next door to it is the almost as large and possibly even more brutal and quite gorgeous state park, Ranch Big Bend
/image Santa Elena Canyon
/image aerial solitario Ranch Big Bend
@sillyheathen
Supposedly one old myth about Big Bend
When there earth was being formed, all the leftover rubble needed to go somewhere.
So it all got dumped into Big Bend.
@f00l we’ve taken many a floating trips in the big bend. It’s pretty spectacular.