Yes, I find it disturbing. Not the tech itself, which will inevitably be developed by someone or other if not by Amazon. But this implementation kinda creeps me out due to the myriad ways to misuse it. Certain applications in law enforcement may be good, but I don’t want my doorbell to be part of a surveillance network. Or rather, I do, but only my own security network, not that of some government entity.
May as well just implant us all with chips so we can be tracked 24/7. Of course, the smartphone fanatics can already be tracked via their phones, but some of us mess with the system by leaving ours at home on occasion.
@rockblossom The UK launched a CCTV based facial recognition program in a borough of London in 1998. That’s just the earliest one we know about. No doubt the covert use of CCTV coupled with NeoFace software and similar capabilities has skyrocketed since the early 2000s.
@rockblossom I’ve had that one on my watch list for some time now. Maybe that’ll be a good weekend binge.
That program description: “An expatriate mathematician returns to England to find the nation transformed into a hyper-paranoid surveillance society…” So it’s a reality show then, innit. All humor aside, that description “hyper-paranoid surveillance society” is frightfully accurate.
@RedOak I don’t know about the statistics, but when I left there you couldn’t pass wind without it being recorded on CCTV. When I stayed there this Sep.-Oct. past it was worse than I remembered.
Now there’s even mobile CCTV setups they’re putting into private homes when there’s “reasonable suspicion of a threat”.
A very dear friend of mine was the victim of domestic violence shortly before I visited. Rather than monitoring her scumbag ex husband, the policing team installed temporary cameras into and around her home. This was requisite upon granting of a writ of protection. No cameras, no order. How would that play in the states?
A very dear friend of mine was the victim of domestic violence shortly before I visited. Rather than monitoring her scumbag ex husband, the policing team installed temporary cameras into and around her home. This was requisite upon granting of a writ of protection. No cameras, no order. How would that play in the states?
Wow. Apparently the UK sees not the road they are on… 1984 is very close. (BTW, if you’ve seen the new remake of the movie, it hits close to the UK home.)
This image posted by @f00l is what every street corner looks like in greater London. Even at the south seaside where I spent most of the month it’s like this on every other corner. Inside buildings is nearly as saturated with CCTV. Public buildings even more so with every inch covered by video surveillance.
That’s why I have multiple email addys used for separate and various things, all used with randomly shifting IP addresses courtesy of a good VPN, and not all linked to the same name and or demographics.
Also I buy with cash and in person quite often.
Low tech can truly be a person’s best friend sometimes.
Got rid of all my amazon/google/other home surveillance/convenience devices after a short tryout w Alexa.
I do own an amazon fire tablet which has Alexa. But that’s turned off. And the tablet’s out of juice. No use in almost a year. I just don’t use tablets much
I have used google and Apple voice-to-text services some. So amazon/google/Apple all have voice samples for me.
I suppose I should find out if I can get them to delete the data. Or get then to pretend they are deleting the data.
@f00l I just set up my 1 cent Google Home Mini last night and linked it to my Spotify account. Logging into Spotify showed me they hadn’t forgotten my playlists…even after all these years…
I have all old school computery thingys because I’m cheep and to scan me they’re gonna have to use the secret red dot cameras in the mensroom flushvalves.
To play devil’s advocate. Facial recognition is a thing. It’s not going away. No one is making you install cameras. No one is making you link your cameras anywhere. No one is making you connect your cameras to their database. Or use facial recognition if you do. It’s obviously opt in.
And who’s doorbell camera can even begin to have the resolution to ID someone walking buy on the street? This is clearly intended to be part of a security system when someone is literally trying to open your door. Your security system calling the police when a wanted felon is trying to get in is not bad. If you choose to enable it.
Also.
"Likewise, homeowners can also add photos of “suspicious” people into the system and then the doorbell’s facial recognition program will scan anyone passing their home.
Just because it’s scanning people who come to the door doesn’t mean it does anything. If it finds a match it does. Imagine how helpful that would be for people with restraining orders or battered women and children? By the time the asshole is breaking in the door the police are already coming.
It’s basically just an advanced security system. Which is already available to companies.
Oh, it’s fine. If you’re not doing anything wrong you shouldn’t worry so much.
/s
@therealjrn Uh huh.
Creepy.
Yes, I find it disturbing. Not the tech itself, which will inevitably be developed by someone or other if not by Amazon. But this implementation kinda creeps me out due to the myriad ways to misuse it. Certain applications in law enforcement may be good, but I don’t want my doorbell to be part of a surveillance network. Or rather, I do, but only my own security network, not that of some government entity.
May as well just implant us all with chips so we can be tracked 24/7. Of course, the smartphone fanatics can already be tracked via their phones, but some of us mess with the system by leaving ours at home on occasion.
@rockblossom The UK launched a CCTV based facial recognition program in a borough of London in 1998. That’s just the earliest one we know about. No doubt the covert use of CCTV coupled with NeoFace software and similar capabilities has skyrocketed since the early 2000s.
@ruouttaurmind The Last Enemy
Which streams on Amazon Prime video. I can somewhat appreciate the irony.
@rockblossom I’ve had that one on my watch list for some time now. Maybe that’ll be a good weekend binge.
That program description: “An expatriate mathematician returns to England to find the nation transformed into a hyper-paranoid surveillance society…” So it’s a reality show then, innit. All humor aside, that description “hyper-paranoid surveillance society” is frightfully accurate.
@rockblossom @ruouttaurmind isn’t the U.K. already by far the most densely covered by surveillance cameras… and those cameras actively monitored?
@RedOak I don’t know about the statistics, but when I left there you couldn’t pass wind without it being recorded on CCTV. When I stayed there this Sep.-Oct. past it was worse than I remembered.
Now there’s even mobile CCTV setups they’re putting into private homes when there’s “reasonable suspicion of a threat”.
A very dear friend of mine was the victim of domestic violence shortly before I visited. Rather than monitoring her scumbag ex husband, the policing team installed temporary cameras into and around her home. This was requisite upon granting of a writ of protection. No cameras, no order. How would that play in the states?
@RedOak @ruouttaurmind
/image “cctv society”
@ruouttaurmind
Wow. Apparently the UK sees not the road they are on… 1984 is very close. (BTW, if you’ve seen the new remake of the movie, it hits close to the UK home.)
This image posted by @f00l is what every street corner looks like in greater London. Even at the south seaside where I spent most of the month it’s like this on every other corner. Inside buildings is nearly as saturated with CCTV. Public buildings even more so with every inch covered by video surveillance.
@RedOak It’s truly a nanny state.
/giphy evil nanny
@RedOak @ruouttaurmind I figure it’s a matter of time before the younger generation is demanding it here.
/wootstalker https://shirt.woot.com/offers/always-awake
Always Awake
Price: $19.00
Condition: Probably New
@narfcake Why on earth would that site not show what the piece on the right is saying??
@haydesigner @narfcake So do I
@haydesigner @therealjrn Click on it, dammit! The second pic at catshirtswoot is the full one.
@haydesigner @narfcake lol Why can’t my Alexa just read it to me?
@therealjrn
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
for (nearly) all of these tech companies and via most of their tech, you are the product they sell. Don’t be surprised at anything like this.
That’s why I have multiple email addys used for separate and various things, all used with randomly shifting IP addresses courtesy of a good VPN, and not all linked to the same name and or demographics.
Also I buy with cash and in person quite often.
Low tech can truly be a person’s best friend sometimes.
Got rid of all my amazon/google/other home surveillance/convenience devices after a short tryout w Alexa.
I do own an amazon fire tablet which has Alexa. But that’s turned off. And the tablet’s out of juice. No use in almost a year. I just don’t use tablets much
I have used google and Apple voice-to-text services some. So amazon/google/Apple all have voice samples for me.
I suppose I should find out if I can get them to delete the data. Or get then to pretend they are deleting the data.
/image panopticon
@f00l I just set up my 1 cent Google Home Mini last night and linked it to my Spotify account. Logging into Spotify showed me they hadn’t forgotten my playlists…even after all these years…
Soylent Green Is People.
@lseeber ack!
/image ack!
@lseeber @therealjrn
I suppose there will another variant of Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease.
@f00l @therealjrn I think it’s already in progress.
I have all old school computery thingys because I’m cheep and to scan me they’re gonna have to use the secret red dot cameras in the mensroom flushvalves.
To play devil’s advocate. Facial recognition is a thing. It’s not going away. No one is making you install cameras. No one is making you link your cameras anywhere. No one is making you connect your cameras to their database. Or use facial recognition if you do. It’s obviously opt in.
And who’s doorbell camera can even begin to have the resolution to ID someone walking buy on the street? This is clearly intended to be part of a security system when someone is literally trying to open your door. Your security system calling the police when a wanted felon is trying to get in is not bad. If you choose to enable it.
Also.
"Likewise, homeowners can also add photos of “suspicious” people into the system and then the doorbell’s facial recognition program will scan anyone passing their home.
Just because it’s scanning people who come to the door doesn’t mean it does anything. If it finds a match it does. Imagine how helpful that would be for people with restraining orders or battered women and children? By the time the asshole is breaking in the door the police are already coming.
It’s basically just an advanced security system. Which is already available to companies.