@ybmuG major systems are still built around HPUX but since intel abandoned itanium and sent the death knell years ago. And everything is going cloud… .
@unksol@ybmuG Macs are built on a BSD core. Practically speaking, to non-nerds, Unix is equivalent to Linux. Windows Services for Linux (or WSL) are hosting full distros (Ubuntu) now, and Windows just beefed up its “Terminal for Windows”, Git has a bash command shell and there’s also the Cygwin approach to getting a Unix/Linux environment on Windows. You can even run an X-server on Cygwin or a WSL distro and fire up a different GUI desktop on your GUI desktop.
That’s separate from “the hard way” of running a whole VM to run Unix/Linux.
PuTTY is still, IMHO, the easiest straight up, no fluff SSH client for windows terminal into a shell someplace else (remote, VM, or even a Cygwin or WSL host running an SSH server).
@blaineg if you are using putty in multiple environments or IDs superputty is your friend.
Im in 2-3 servers everyday and up to 6 different IDs… It’s very handy to have a layout where you can tab or arrange the windows to your preference. And at the start of the day open it and just log into them all.
Obviously you have to keep track of your environments but the tab is titled and if it’s always in the same spot…
@unksol@ybmuG You mentioned HPUX. I didn’t want to get into an OSF fight if I mentioned Multics, Solaris, or BSD or the “L” word in a Unix™ thread.
For the nerds, Dennis Ritchie never got his doctorate from MIT. He didn’t think it right to have to pay for the bound copy of his dissertation for the library, so he didn’t. As a requirement for receiving a PhD, he was not bestowed with one, and he bailed to take a hot job at Bell Labs, and the rest is history. They recently found a copy, believed to be his personal draft among the papers of his widow. Article
@mike808@ybmuG I happened to start in a a transitional period a few years before the move from solaris to HPUX which was designed a certain way for itanium servers.
I have no idea if there is a future for hpux. But everyone knows and has known for years that itanium is dead
@mike808@ybmuG regardless it’s unix. Or linux or whatever. And available tools are what you load. But we are still hard out there in nerd land. I would bet 90+% are on windows and I don’t even run linux now
My typing kungfu is mostly focused at putty for work
@unksol@ybmuG Linux is not Unix, which is why I made the claim that for practical purposes it is, and for lay discussion, they are the same. Under the hood in the kernel, they’re not.
Solaris was BSD-based, which is why HPUX and AIX (arguably a larger competitor to HPUX) formed the OSF to ward off the evil spirits of those hippy dippy Berkeley fellows in corporation land. Then there is the whole SCO debacle and saga.
Since most folks have Windows desktops, the tools to access Unux/Linux environment are going to remain PuTTY (and SuperPuTTY) and WinSCP. For those needong or wanting a more “immersive” experience, there’s the Git Bash, Cygwin, and now WSL, which is as close to a VM as we will get. And WSL runs on Windows Home!
There is even talk that Windows may swap kernels with Linux and become a services layer and GUI on top of Linux. Crazy, eh?
@mike808@ybmuG again nerd ;p unix is of course not linux. Or HPUX. Some commands are different. But it’s not a gui it’s puTTY to the server and text commands
On the reverse linux tries to hide that but… Something breaks
@mike808 wasn’t prepped to go that far lol. Just the difference between working in batch unix vs in windows.
Backend vs .net/ui. Article looks interesting. Thanks
@Kidsandliz would you prefer plumber’s? I have a large tub of that I’ll never use up so applied as needed… Or not. Just usually not near plumbing caused soldering copper.
Howard Tayler says clay is serious putty. C4 is ANGRY putty.
Drywall mud must be bored putty
@ybmuG That was like no. 10073.
What are you on about. This is serious puTTY
https://www.putty.org/
If they doesn’t do it for you you need super puTTY
https://www.puttygen.com/superputty
@unksol Woah - puTTY takes me back!
@ybmuG lol do you no longer support Unix systems? puTTY is still preferred. At least in some things . If It ain’t broke…
More horrifying is that COBOL is still out there.
@unksol haven’t used Unix for over 20 years since I left the university. I think I still have a VT-320 around somewhere…
@ybmuG major systems are still built around HPUX but since intel abandoned itanium and sent the death knell years ago. And everything is going cloud… .
@unksol @ybmuG Macs are built on a BSD core. Practically speaking, to non-nerds, Unix is equivalent to Linux. Windows Services for Linux (or WSL) are hosting full distros (Ubuntu) now, and Windows just beefed up its “Terminal for Windows”, Git has a bash command shell and there’s also the Cygwin approach to getting a Unix/Linux environment on Windows. You can even run an X-server on Cygwin or a WSL distro and fire up a different GUI desktop on your GUI desktop.
That’s separate from “the hard way” of running a whole VM to run Unix/Linux.
PuTTY is still, IMHO, the easiest straight up, no fluff SSH client for windows terminal into a shell someplace else (remote, VM, or even a Cygwin or WSL host running an SSH server).
@mike808 @ybmuG I’m just going to say. You said non nerd. Than swerved hard
@mike808 @ybmuG for what’s worth I got your points and it is excellent and we could go down a whole thing why… And lose everyone else lol.
I fear I may have hijacked.
To redeem myself please see a garbagetruck disintegrate
Or cement truck
@unksol Somehow I’d missed SuperPuTTY. That could be handy.
@mike808 @unksol @ybmuG The vanishing cement truck is my favorite Mythbusters. Though the vanishing car is a close second.
@blaineg if you are using putty in multiple environments or IDs superputty is your friend.
Im in 2-3 servers everyday and up to 6 different IDs… It’s very handy to have a layout where you can tab or arrange the windows to your preference. And at the start of the day open it and just log into them all.
Obviously you have to keep track of your environments but the tab is titled and if it’s always in the same spot…
@unksol @ybmuG You mentioned HPUX. I didn’t want to get into an OSF fight if I mentioned Multics, Solaris, or BSD or the “L” word in a Unix™ thread.
For the nerds, Dennis Ritchie never got his doctorate from MIT. He didn’t think it right to have to pay for the bound copy of his dissertation for the library, so he didn’t. As a requirement for receiving a PhD, he was not bestowed with one, and he bailed to take a hot job at Bell Labs, and the rest is history. They recently found a copy, believed to be his personal draft among the papers of his widow.
Article
@mike808 @ybmuG I happened to start in a a transitional period a few years before the move from solaris to HPUX which was designed a certain way for itanium servers.
I have no idea if there is a future for hpux. But everyone knows and has known for years that itanium is dead
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itanium
@mike808 @ybmuG regardless it’s unix. Or linux or whatever. And available tools are what you load. But we are still hard out there in nerd land. I would bet 90+% are on windows and I don’t even run linux now
My typing kungfu is mostly focused at putty for work
@unksol @ybmuG Linux is not Unix, which is why I made the claim that for practical purposes it is, and for lay discussion, they are the same. Under the hood in the kernel, they’re not.
Solaris was BSD-based, which is why HPUX and AIX (arguably a larger competitor to HPUX) formed the OSF to ward off the evil spirits of those hippy dippy Berkeley fellows in corporation land. Then there is the whole SCO debacle and saga.
Since most folks have Windows desktops, the tools to access Unux/Linux environment are going to remain PuTTY (and SuperPuTTY) and WinSCP. For those needong or wanting a more “immersive” experience, there’s the Git Bash, Cygwin, and now WSL, which is as close to a VM as we will get. And WSL runs on Windows Home!
There is even talk that Windows may swap kernels with Linux and become a services layer and GUI on top of Linux. Crazy, eh?
@mike808 @ybmuG again nerd ;p unix is of course not linux. Or HPUX. Some commands are different. But it’s not a gui it’s puTTY to the server and text commands
On the reverse linux tries to hide that but… Something breaks
@mike808 @ybmuG and this is preferring my brain. I have no idea what the goal was
@unksol @ybmuG
Try uninstalling, clear any leftover configuration files, then reinstalling.
@mike808 wasn’t prepped to go that far lol. Just the difference between working in batch unix vs in windows.
Backend vs .net/ui. Article looks interesting. Thanks
@blaineg I mean if you want to go there
@unksol PuTTY only happens at work. At home, it’s SSH in a terminal window, as the Lord intended.
@unksol @ybmuG
Takes me back too
back to when I helped run a MUD
@InnocuousFarmer I still use putty to ssh into the router to get at the back end… Which is extremely rare that I need to to run a script.
I like the gargoyle UI and it’s been working for years. Only have to reboot it during a storm which is a isp issue
@Cerridwyn @unksol I used to run amuck, but I think that’s different
@Cerridwyn @ybmuG I can’t find a Amuk OS which you would think a nerd would have done by now. Maybe we are to well behaved
@unksol Of course I want to go there!
I thought the non-Silly alternative was Crazy Aaron’s Thinking Putty. (and there is now also Angry Putty)
Nobody uses putty seriously.
Flex Tape, FTW!!
@mike808 but does it REALLY work?
@tinamarie1974
Absotively!
@mike808 @tinamarie1974 idk that I can slap that hard/even
@tinamarie1974 @unksol
@tinamarie1974 @unksol
@tinamarie1974 @unksol
To show you the power of flex tape,
@mike808 @tinamarie1974 has to last though. Not just plug a hole
@tinamarie1974 @unksol Oh, it will.
@mike808 @unksol well THAT could be uncomfortable!
@mike808 @tinamarie1974 I mean I’m not up for that but some people…
Serlously? Putty?
@Kidsandliz would you prefer plumber’s? I have a large tub of that I’ll never use up so applied as needed… Or not. Just usually not near plumbing caused soldering copper.
@Kidsandliz
well that depends upon … the job, doesn’t it?
/giphy c4 explosion
